id
stringlengths 15
40
| text
stringlengths 4
4.04M
| source
stringclasses 1
value | added
stringdate 2024-05-13 22:10:59
2024-05-13 23:05:23
| created
timestamp[s]date 2004-07-05 00:00:00
2024-05-13 00:00:00
| metadata
dict |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-news
|
[01:08] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I should be ready to go to submit some summaries this weekend! Is it still going out as normal(with turkey day and everything)?
[01:08] <tsimonq2> pleia2: and either way, happy Thanksgiving!
[14:30] <pleia2> tsimonq2: great, thank you :)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.768413
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"pleia2",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-news.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-news"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-community-team
|
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[09:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:54] <czajkowski> this holiday lark is very good for getting your house in order 2 days of no work :D I can see through all the paper work!
[10:03] * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[15:09] <balloons_> ping jose
[15:09] <jose> balloons_: pong
[15:10] <balloons_> jose, happy friday! So, I've been curious if you've managed to send off requests to the flavors or not.
[15:10] <jose> balloons_: yep!
[15:10] <balloons_> jose, excellent! I hope we get a good response
[15:10] <jose> even talked to Pasi (Xubuntu) yesterday and said they were interested
[15:11] <balloons_> awesome. I hope to see some tasks from xubuntu
[15:11] <balloons_> I was chattering with them earlier about something unrelated
[15:14] <balloons_> jose, any other flavors express interest?
[15:14] <jose> balloons_: I heard something from Kubuntu but haven't heard back more, I'll re-ask Scarlett
[15:16] <jose> actually, just sent the pm
[15:16] <balloons_> Ok, I think we're up to a total of 8 mentors, minus you me and popey
[15:16] <balloons_> at least, those who have registered. I know there are more who have not
[15:22] <jose> gotcha
[16:11] <jose> dholbach: should be on the calendar now
[16:12] <dholbach> jose, awesome - thanks!
[16:14] <jose> np
[16:50] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great weekend everyone! see you on Monday! :-)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.772127
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"balloons_",
"czajkowski",
"dholbach",
"jose"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-community-team.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-community-team"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-hr
|
[07:19] <BotaniCar> Zadnje kad sam instalirao je imao, kak se sad ponasa ? nema "next" bez kluca , kod prve instalacije ?
[07:19] <BotaniCar> Jutro
[07:37] <Mmike> GuetMoerkent!
[07:37] <Mmike> BotaniCar, nema
[07:37] <Mmike> BotaniCar, za win10 ima
[07:38] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFqg5wAuFk # I love the message behind this song. Walking for 30-60 minutes per day can improve confidence, stamina, energy, weight control and life expectancy and reduce stress. It can also reduce the risk of coronary heart disease, strokes, diabetes, high blood pressure, bowel cancer and osteoporosis. We need more bands like Pantera promoting healthy living.
[07:38] <datase> YouTube: Pantera - Walk (Official Video) - 0:05:16 - 37276742 views - 196111 likes / 4213 dislikes
[07:39] <BotaniCar> RE-SPECT
[07:57] <Mmike> hm
[07:57] <Mmike> em irac
[08:01] <SilverSpace> jutro
[08:11] <dodobas> yutro
[08:19] <vileni_> jutro
[08:34] <jelly> *zijev*
[08:46] <SilverSpace> kak ono iz deb paketa vidjeti koja je verzija
[08:46] <SilverSpace> zaboravih
[08:47] <Mmike> SilverSpace, mislis, koja je verzija deb paketa instalirana
[08:47] <Mmike> ili koja je verzija deb paket koji nije instaliran ?
[08:47] <Mmike> ili kaj?
[08:47] <SilverSpace> koji nije instaliran
[08:48] <SilverSpace> instaliranu znam
[08:48] <Mmike> ne kuzim
[08:48] <Mmike> kak mislis - koji nije instaliran?
[08:48] <Mmike> di ti je taj deb, imas ga skinutog lokalno?
[08:48] <SilverSpace> da lokalno u mapi je
[08:49] <jelly> dpkg -I blah.deb
[08:49] <Mmike> dpkg -f
[08:49] <Mmike> erm, ne
[08:49] <Mmike> dpkg-deb -f
[08:49] <Mmike> ili dpkg -I, da :)
[08:50] <SilverSpace> ee to :)
[09:49] <SilverSpace> Toro Rosso sa ferrari motorom
[09:50] <SilverSpace> RB ostaje sa renault motorom
[10:21] <ivoks> BDP u trećem tromjesečju rastao za 2,8 posto!
[10:22] <ivoks> U odnosu na isti kvartal prošle godine hrvatsko je gospodarstvo raslo za 2,8 posto dok je u odnosu na prethodno razdoblje ove godine BDP veći za 1,3 posto.
[10:22] <ivoks> triba izvadit puske i pucat uzrak
[10:22] <BotaniCar> Slazem se, ali proracunati trajektoriju tako da zrnje popada po analiticaru koji ovo proglasava uspjehom
[10:22] <BotaniCar> Zasto ne usporede stanje s 2004 ? :)
[10:23] <ivoks> pa uspjeh je
[10:23] <BotaniCar> "rastemo" k'o penzionerski kurac, da prostite na izrazu
[10:23] <ivoks> 2,8 i nije tako lose
[10:23] <ivoks> to je vise nego inflacija
[10:23] <BotaniCar> Kad bi bilo realno :)
[10:23] <ivoks> nije 5, nije 7
[10:23] <ivoks> ali nije ni 1
[10:29] <dodobas> jel probao tko https://www.jetbrains.com/upsource/ ?
[10:36] <Mmike> meh
[10:37] <vileni_> Mmike: kako apdejti?
[10:37] <Mmike> vileni_, jel' ti to mene s gustom zajebavas, ili me samo zajebavas? :)
[10:39] <BotaniCar> ja se jos smijem na "sta mene pitas za windowse, ja sam certificirani linuxas" , kak se ja tog nisam sjetio :)
[10:39] * BotaniCar napokon zna za kaj su certifikati dobri - za prculjit mmiketa :)
[10:40] <BotaniCar> Mmike: nisam se shalio kod ireneki na zidu, bi mi skuv'o tofu-sarmu ? Pripremim sve preduvjete.
[10:42] <Mmike> imas kupus skiseljeni?
[10:42] <BotaniCar> Velim da cu se pobrinut za preduvjete, samo ih navedi.
[10:43] <vileni_> Mmike: prije naginje na gust :)
[10:43] <vileni_> fascinantna mi fascinacija apdejtima
[10:43] <Mmike> pa stari moj
[10:43] <Mmike> kad update traje pol dana
[10:43] <Mmike> tko nebi bio fasciniran?
[10:43] <vileni_> Mmike: pa nije bas pola dana, tj rijetko kad je toliko malo
[10:44] <Mmike> pa da sad installliram 12.04, i to s onog prvog CDa (znaci, ne 12.04.3, ili 12.04.2, ili koji vec), imao bih mozda gigu apdejta i jednom kad se isti skinu trajalo bi 15-20 minuta da se to sve nainstalira
[10:44] <Mmike> vileni_, lo-l!
[10:44] <ivoks> hm
[10:44] <ivoks> novi mondeo s motorom kojeg hocu i opremom koju hocu - 360k kn
[10:44] <vileni_> na starom poslu sam instalirao win, prebacio podatke, podesio mrezu, mail od korisnika itd, i onda pustio da se apdejta
[10:44] <ivoks> pa za te novce dobijem godinu dana stari a6
[10:44] <vileni_> za jedno 3 dana je korisnik dobio laptop
[10:45] <vileni_> i kad sam mu pokazao gdje je sto, stisnuo sam shutdown i onda smo tamo gledali 10min kako instalira jos 5 apdejta
[10:46] <BotaniCar> Jedva cekam da svi imamo win10 i da o ovom vise ni ne pricamo jer je to tak :)
[10:46] <vileni_> BotaniCar: pa ja i imam, 8.1 ili 10
[10:47] <BotaniCar> Ja nemam, ali kolegica stol do ima ( i 8.1 i 10), i sve je picpic, updateove vidi samo i jedino kad ide rebootat/shutdownat, a onda ide doma i hebe joj se koliko ce trajati
[10:47] <Mmike> BotaniCar, win10 updateovi su znatno znatno brzi, mislim da mi je u pol sata sve nainstalirao
[10:47] <Mmike> samo kaj su ruzni
[10:47] <BotaniCar> kakmislis ruzni ?
[10:47] <Mmike> mislio sam da je unity vrh ruznoce i neupotrebljivosti, kad li eto ti win10 :)
[10:47] <BotaniCar> kockasto i to ?
[10:47] <vileni_> BotaniCar: pa zato su to i napravili,da se korisnici ne zivciraju kao mmike :)
[10:47] <Mmike> dete se dere iz sobe da je 'prdnuo' ;)
[10:48] <BotaniCar> Joj, citao sam malo o promjenama na look'n'feel nivou, lenses, zaobljeni uglovi i sve su kurac, tezi e tome da sve pocne liciti na papirnate dokumente.
[10:50] <pkiller> google material je sjebo sve
[10:51] <pkiller> likovi napravili standard kako bi trebala aplikacija izgledati i ljudi puše spiku masovno :)
[10:52] <BotaniCar> Al, gledam nokiu lumiu 920 ili taknekaj, umalo potpuni substitut za PC :) ( http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/w10-continuum-phone-680x377.jpg )
[10:54] <pkiller> not so mač
[10:54] <pkiller> pogledaj si video neki sa continuumom pa da vidis koje je to sranje :)
[10:54] <BotaniCar> pkiller: svi materijali koje sam vidio meni izgledaju ne kao da je sranje nego da je fantasticno. Sto im ti zamjeras ?
[10:55] <pkiller> koliko sam ja vidio sve je browser based
[10:55] <pkiller> nema nativnih win programa... možda se varam
[10:55] <BotaniCar> pkiller: kad pogledas radni model za 90 posto korisnika IT opreme, njima je hardver samo interfejs prema mrezi, stoga all-in-browser nije nikakav nedostatak
[10:56] <BotaniCar> I, nativan ti je office u cjelosti, kao i mail klijent
[10:56] <pkiller> istina... ali za tebe i mene je sranje :)
[10:56] <pkiller> office nisam otvorio od 2003
[10:56] <pkiller> ne verzije nego godine
[10:57] <pkiller> a za surfat i gledat video na velikom ekranu, jeftinije mi je rasberry pi uzet
[10:58] <vileni_> jeste vidjeli pi zero
[10:59] <pkiller> jes... odlicno
[10:59] <vileni_> jedino mi nije jasno za mrezu sto i kako
[11:02] <SilverSpace> fakat su turci glupi ko kurac
[11:03] <pkiller> recite mi dali je netko kupovao sa bestbuy-a?
[11:05] <vileni_> ja kupujem samo unutar eu vec neko vrijeme
[11:06] <BotaniCar> pkiller: zasto je sranje ? Meni je ok da spojim monitor na telefon, otvorim terminal, SSH-am se di trebam i radim.
[11:07] <BotaniCar> pkiller: nemojmo zaboraviti da win10 uskoro dobija nativnu SSH podrsku, meni lokalni resursi stvarn ne trebaju, sve radim "negdje s one strane interneta"
[11:07] <pkiller> da ali kako otvoriš terminal? u browseru?
[11:07] <BotaniCar> cmd ?
[11:08] <pkiller> a misliš na windows terminal?
[11:08] <BotaniCar> ae
[11:08] <pkiller> kada dobije nativnu ssh podršku onda budem razmislio o windows phoneu ali do onda :)
[11:08] <pkiller> a si siguran da možeš terminal otvoriti na tom sučelju?
[11:11] <BotaniCar> Svi windowsi su u v10 isti, ako desktop instalacija ima X, X ima i mobitel.
[11:12] <pkiller> pa onda mora postojati neki hack za instalirati i otvoriti sve
[11:12] <BotaniCar> Joj, neki dan smijeh: seka nema racunalo doma, dam joj jedan laptop iz otpisa s ubuntuom koji sam slozio cim vise sam mogao da joj izgledaju kao windowsi. Pita me za par dana "a koje windowse ja imam" ?
[11:13] <BotaniCar> pkiller: nisam skuzio zadnju liniju
[11:13] <pkiller> ako se može otvoriti terminal... onda bi se trebao moći instalirati recimo i putty
[11:14] <BotaniCar> mosh ti i cygwin stavit' , tko ti brani.
[11:14] <pkiller> s/instalirati/pokrenuti
[11:14] <BotaniCar> ja ppricam o modelu rada gdje moram staviti sto manje 3rd party nadojeba. Daj mi nativni ssh i browser, ja sretan
[11:14] <pkiller> ali nisam još nikoga vidio da je otvorio bilo što osim "mobilnih" aplikacija
[11:15] <BotaniCar> Mozda zato sto uredjaja s "continuum" featureom jos nema za kupiti ?
[11:15] <pkiller> a istu stvar možeš i sa miracastom i bt tastatuom i mišem
[11:16] <BotaniCar> Sto je miracast ?
[11:16] <pkiller> O.O
[11:16] <pkiller> http://www.howtogeek.com/200796/what-is-miracast-and-why-should-i-care/
[11:18] <Mmike> odo na selo
[11:18] <BotaniCar> pkiller: ovo je zamjena za zicu, o cemu nas dvojca uopce pricamo ? :D
[11:20] <pkiller> a sta mislis kako se taj win 10 mobitel spaja na taj ekran?
[11:20] <pkiller> uštekaš ga u magičnu kutijicu koja je spojena na monitor i puf!
[11:22] <pkiller> To do that, you need Microsoft’s $99 Display Dock (or a Miracast dongle), a mouse and keyboard (Bluetooth or USB), and an external display, such as a monitor or TV. Plug your phone into the dock, plug in or pair your peripherals, and plug in your display, and boom, all of your phone’s content is now on the big screen.
[11:22] <BotaniCar> pkiller: da li je sukus naseg razgovora iskoristivost mobitela kao radne stanice,ili to kako cemo ga spojiti na veliki ekran ?
[11:23] <pkiller> samo sam želio reći da i odmah sada možeš spojiti postojeću tehnologiju i koristiti za identičnu svrhu kao i continuum
[11:23] <BotaniCar> Da.
[11:24] <pkiller> i ne moraš platiti 5k kuna za novi mobitel
[11:24] <pkiller> koristiš koji si kupio prije godinu dana za 5k kuna :)
[11:25] <BotaniCar> :) Moram neku banku opljackat' , nisam jedno 3 godine sebi kupovao telefon
[11:26] <BotaniCar> Nije izgledno ni da cu iduce :)
[11:26] <pkiller> prošle godine sam promijenio matičnu na galaxy S3... koji sam kupio isto prije skoro 4 godine :)
[11:27] <pkiller> još se drži
[11:30] <ivoks> jel ima netko vcenter client za linux?
[11:46] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: bome i ja tri godine i nikako da uzmem novi
[11:46] <SilverSpace> ustvari bit ce sad cetiri za bozic
[11:55] <BotaniCar> pokusavam se uvjeriti da treba dati pol' place za novi mobitel, pa da mi traje koliko i ovaj, ali se ne mogu sjetiti zasto bi zamijenio ovaj, cak mi i baterija jos uvijek drzi vise manje dva dana
[11:56] <BotaniCar> Al' me jebe neracionalni potrosacki impuls, jako :)
[11:56] <ivoks> ja sam u slicnoj situaciji
[11:56] <ivoks> samo se ne radi o pol place
[11:56] <ivoks> ali imam slicne brige s autom
[11:56] <ivoks> znam da ce kad tad krepat
[11:56] <BotaniCar> Bilo bi interesantno da das pol place i da posaljes sliku mobitela optocenog rubinima, ivoks :)
[11:56] <ivoks> pa sad, biti neracionalan ili racionalan pri odabiru novog
[11:56] <ivoks> pol place za mobitel?
[11:56] <ivoks> uh
[11:57] <BotaniCar> karikiram , ofc :)
[11:57] <ivoks> ima i skupljih telefona od toga
[11:57] <ivoks> mislim da su oni vertu oko 10k eura
[11:57] <BotaniCar> Nisi mi ostavio dojam da si iz te skupine debila :)
[11:57] <ivoks> zasto debila?
[11:58] <ivoks> ne kazem da telefon ima tu vrijednost
[11:58] <ivoks> ali
[11:58] <ivoks> usluga koju dobijes uz taj telefon je ipak primamljiva
[11:58] <ivoks> npr. imas for mondeo
[11:58] <ivoks> a imas i ford mondeo vignale
[11:58] <dodobas> bitno je stavit taj telefon na stol... tako da se vidi kad si na hangoutsima... :)
[11:58] <ivoks> vignale je 100k kuna skuplji (manje vise)
[11:58] <BotaniCar> Zato kaj nemam drugo ime za nekog tko potrosi 10k€ na komad luksuzne elektronike dok imamo gladnih. Isto vrijedi i za vlasnike 3milijarde teskih jahti. Buduci da nemam kaj kome jamrati za paru koju je sam zaradio, zovem ih debilima u sebi i ne zamjeram nikaj.
[11:59] <ivoks> al dobijes pomoc na cesti, pranje auta i slicne kerefeke do kraja zivota
[11:59] <ivoks> ja ih ne zovem debilima
[11:59] <ivoks> nisu oni uzeli od gladnih
[11:59] <ivoks> vec su od gladnih uzeli oni koji su takvima i dali milijarde
[11:59] <ivoks> nije apple uzeo od gladnih
[11:59] <ivoks> vec apple korisnici nisu dali gladnima
[11:59] <BotaniCar> Velim da postujem kaj su svoju paru zaradili i nema ih kaj prozivati, ali mogu imati misljenje
[12:00] <BotaniCar> *nemam
[12:00] <ivoks> ljudi cesto svoju bahatost ignoriraju i optuzuju druge
[12:00] <ivoks> pogotovo u ovim post-komunistickim zemljama
[12:00] <ivoks> uvijek je netko drugi kriv/zao
[12:02] <SilverSpace> eh da
[12:03] <ivoks> kao sto su sad zvecevo napali
[12:03] <ivoks> da kaj su se oni reklamirali, trebali su novce umjesto u reklamu dati gladnoj djeci
[12:03] <ivoks> a ono...
[12:03] <ivoks> kad bi bar svijet bio tako ruzicast
[12:04] <SilverSpace> neki moji "frendovi grintaju kak politicari kradu itd a sami izbjegavaju na sve nacine platit porez dzavi da ne kazem muljaju drzavu na veliko
[12:04] <ivoks> pa da...
[12:04] <ivoks> svi tak
[12:04] <ivoks> osim matije babica
[12:04] <ivoks> on bar prizna da ne placa porez i da mulja drzavu
[12:05] <SilverSpace> i jos nije u remetincu
[12:06] <ivoks> http://www.jutarnji.hr/ponovno-sam-slobodna-i-sretnija-nego-ikad-u-zivotu--idemo-dalje---/1466162/
[12:06] <ivoks> ajme... pa tko je to fotkao
[12:06] <ivoks> vidi ju na sta lici
[12:11] <BotaniCar> Vidi ti terminologiju :) "prihvatljiv personality" jer osobnost vise nitko ne pushi :)
[12:17] <SilverSpace> jebote frend mi ima zlocudni rak na plucima
[12:17] <SilverSpace> pušac
[12:18] <SilverSpace> 48godina
[12:39] <obruT> jel dizo tko od vas ovecu kolicinu lxc/docker kontejnera na jednom hostu... onak, tipa 1000 ili nesto takvo ?
[12:40] <BotaniCar> Ja jos nisam ni jedan kontejner upogonio igdje osim na svojoj stanici za igru
[12:41] <SilverSpace> http://www.smartphoneandprice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/samsung-galaxy-w2016-specifications-and-price.jpg
[12:49] <pkiller> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9230_galaxy_golden-5814.php
[12:50] <obruT> BotaniCar: ja pustio jucer jedan u moglo bi se nazvati pravu produkciju
[12:50] <obruT> u mojoj firmi... na serveru koji odrzava ekipa koja se time bavi...
[12:50] <obruT> zvuci kao mission impossible, ali eto, uspio :)
[12:52] <pkiller> 1000 različitih ili istih kontejnera :)
[12:52] <BotaniCar> obruT: imas neki online kalendar/counter ? Zanima me koliko ce proci od trenutka kad si deployao , do trenutka kad si zazalio
[12:53] <ivoks> zlo mi je od ove drzave i njenih brojeva
[12:54] <SilverSpace> brojevi brojevi :)
[12:56] <jelly> #@$%^ freenode i netsplite
[12:57] <ivoks> picku materinu
[12:57] <jelly> mačku piterinu!
[12:57] <ivoks> porezni broj, sifra poslovnog subjekta, registarski broj HZMO-a, OIB, maticni broj DZZSa
[12:57] <pkiller> jelly ti to oko #debian se živciraš?
[12:58] <ivoks> to sve moras imati da bi zaposlenik mogao promijeniti adresu prebivalista
[12:58] <ivoks> ja opce ne znam odakle mi svi ti brojevi
[12:58] <ivoks> nabijem ih u na kurac nesposobne
[12:59] <jelly> pkiller: općenito oko mreže, šta ak je neko nešto krucijalno zanimljivo napisao ovdje u zadnjih dva sata a propustio sam!!?!
[13:07] <BotaniCar> http://defactomedia.hr/zaboravite-kavu-male-doze-lsd-a-nova-je-alternativa-kofeinu/ # ovo su novine po mom ukusu :)
[13:07] <obruT> BotaniCar: :)
[13:07] <BotaniCar> obruT: ako radi, nije glupo :)
[13:08] <BotaniCar> Pa kaj ako nekad sjebes doziranje i sistemska se ala napuni zmajevima :)
[13:08] <obruT> male doze su relativan pojama, ono sto se inace uzima je vrlo mala doza :)
[13:08] <BotaniCar> bas neki dan citam o tipu koji je otisao probati ayahuasku. I , veli "malo mi je bilo malo, ovima oko mene nije, ali ja sam se vec zgadjao svacim u zivotu i ovo mi nije bilo dost'"
[13:09] <pkiller> pa to je to... ako se redovito gaziš gljivama i tripovima... neće ti mikrodoziranje baš biti mikro :)
[13:10] <pkiller> ne treba nikakve droge i kava... treba raditi nešto interesantno i onda ti se ne spava :)
[13:14] <BotaniCar> Kakva to recenica pocinje ( ili zavrsava, ili bilo gdje u sebi ima) s "ne treba droge" ? Si ti gay, decko ? :D
[13:15] <pkiller> Nisam gay, samo pričam kao žena, razumiješ?
[13:16] <pkiller> :)
[13:16] <BotaniCar> Stari moj, pa ti sve znas :)
[13:18] <pkiller> nitko mi ne vjeruje da sve pamtim... samo kompresiram nebitne informacije :)
[13:19] <pkiller> shvatio sam da bolje pamtim nego drugi kada u prvom razredu osnovne nisam bio u stanju naucit pjesmicu napamet :) a sjećam se situacija kad sam imao 2-3 godine ... strange shit
[13:20] <pkiller> poslušao cd gdje te englez uči francuski u autu prvi chapter i naucio osnove komunikacije na francuskom :)
[13:20] <BotaniCar> Umro sam skoro, kakva ideja: https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12039331_1124322970942803_4298562303590248836_n.jpg?oh=2491f1f4b0daefec905a6f222404f27a&oe=56F4FF1F
[13:21] <pkiller> haha...
[13:21] <pkiller> to je sigurno pisao lik koji nema djevojku :)
[13:23] <BotaniCar> Ako je i imao ..
[13:24] <pkiller> jer da je to stvarno napravio... udružili bi se njegova majka i djevojka i sjebali bi ga tako, da nezna di mu je dupe a di glava :)
[13:24] <BotaniCar> Jedini moguc rasplet :)
[13:24] <pkiller> žene... tko ih nezna...
[13:25] <BotaniCar> Nego, oce sad sindikat obrazovanja traziti obecane povisice, da sjebemo taj rast BDP-a ?
[13:28] <pkiller> jel oni znaju od kud njima dolazi plaća? :)
[13:28] <BotaniCar> Ti zaista mislis da ih je briga ? :)
[13:28] <pkiller> da se pobune ljudi i da školuju djecu doma pa nek se jebu :)
[13:29] <pkiller> neće ni ovo što imaju imati plaće
[13:29] <BotaniCar> Sto mogu uvaziti, ljudi trebaju platiti rezije k'o i mi, obecano im je ..
[13:29] <pkiller> pa da ali obećano kao i sve ostalo
[13:30] <pkiller> šta se ja i ti ne bunimo jer je 100 puta već obećana legalizacija pa ništa :)
[13:30] <BotaniCar> A gle, dok svi ne pocnemo traziti ono sto nam obecaju, davati ce nam obecanja bez pokrica
[13:31] <pkiller> treba naći nekoga tko profesionalno nabija na kolac... i unajmiti ga za političare koji koriste naivne građane za glasove... i pustiti negdje na trgu Bana Jebačića da nabijeni umiru 7 - 10 dana
[13:32] <BotaniCar> Mislim da se ivoks vec prijavio kao dobrovoljac :)
[13:32] <BotaniCar> Internet je danas jebeno zabavan : https://www.facebook.com/MemesCentar/videos/543482972475080/ # NSFW-ish, cajke
[13:32] <pkiller> dok nema posljedica djete radi šta god želi :)
[13:33] <ivoks> BotaniCar: ne, nisam
[13:33] <ivoks> ja sam to iznio kao svoj politicki program
[13:33] <ivoks> javna smaknuca
[13:33] <BotaniCar> ivoks: pardon, mislio sam da bi i ucestvovao u provedbi. Pih, isti si k'o svi, ti bi samo koordinirao :)
[13:34] <ivoks> nemojte brkati stvari
[13:34] <ivoks> BDP na godisnjoj razini jos nije narastao
[13:34] <ivoks> ovo je samo rast u trecem kvartalu
[13:35] <ivoks> jos se stigne strmopizdit na kraju godine
[13:35] <ivoks> dakle, nam povisica placa
[13:35] <ivoks> nema
[13:35] <pkiller> ma to su sve izmišljene brojke...
[13:35] <pkiller> da mi netko kaže 2.5% a meni se ništa u životu ne promijeni... to je laž :)
[13:35] <jelly-home> a treci kvartal je uvijek, neizostavno, vezan za turisticku godinu i 90% ovisi o vanjskim okolnostima
[13:36] <jelly-home> #onokad redovno u 7-8. mjesecu $stranka_na_vlasti busa o prsa smanjenjem nezaposlenosti
[13:36] <pkiller> da li tko može te proračune provjeriti? recimo da mene zanima kako su došli do te brojke. Koliko jednostavno bi mogao doći do te informacije?
[13:37] <dodobas> isto kako ti i porezna obracunava 'porez na dobit' ... magija
[13:37] <pkiller> To je isto kao kad cigo prodaje "original" robu i kaže: "majkemi original. pitaj koga hoćeš"
[13:37] <pkiller> koga da pitam :)
[13:38] <pkiller> dodobas: porez na dobit si možeš i sam izračunati
[13:39] <dodobas> aha... naravno ...
[13:39] <pkiller> samo se možeš i sjebat ako više prijaviš nego ti oni računaju
[13:52] <SilverSpace> split
[13:53] <SilverSpace> jelly-home: naravno da je rast vezen uz turisticku sezonu i nema nikakve veze sa radom vlade
[13:54] <jelly-home> to nije rast uopce
[13:54] <jelly-home> to je igra na srecu
[13:54] <SilverSpace> turisticka nam se sezona dogodila na osnovu politickog okruzenja nestabilnosti
[13:54] <pkiller> obruT: pitao sam te još jučer da li si razmišljao o backupu i kako ga radiš an dockeru?
[13:54] <jelly-home> grcka je bila upitna, vrijeme je bilo dobro za turizam, eto srece
[13:54] <SilverSpace> 30% DBP
[13:54] <SilverSpace> halo strmopizdicemo se samo t5ako
[13:56] <obruT> pkiller: ne backupiram ga jer mi je to samo app container, ako mi se sto pojebe, mogu uzeti inicijalni image ili ga izbuildat opet... bitni podaci su mi izvan kontejnera (FS overlay i PG baza na hostu) i to se uredno backupira
[13:57] <jelly-home> SilverSpace: i to neovisno jel ce bit esdepederi ili kradeze
[13:59] <SilverSpace> naravno
[13:59] <BotaniCar> TO ! Platform agnostics ! :)
[14:00] <SilverSpace> ke?
[14:00] <BotaniCar> pa to, kad odlazimo u ku*ac bez obzira tko je za kormilom :)
[14:00] <SilverSpace> http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/vazno-upozorenje-pokusaj-prijevare-gradana-uime-hrt-a-1040568
[14:01] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: pa ne bi trebali otici u kurac
[14:01] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: ja ni necu, ali .. :)
[14:02] <SilverSpace> mogu nas samo sjebati budale unutrasnji i vanjski :)
[14:02] <BotaniCar> Bitno da nema veze u kojoj su stranci ! ;)
[14:03] <BotaniCar> "jer sam oldschool k'o igrica na commodoreu" :)
[14:04] <SilverSpace> meni neki lik pokucao na vrata i kaze provjera dali placamo tv
[14:05] <SilverSpace> da placamo i zatvorio mu vrata
[14:05] <SilverSpace> prije tri tjedna
[14:06] <SilverSpace> nije vise kucao
[14:07] <SilverSpace> joj trebao bi sloziti openwrt opet a neda mi se
[14:08] <SilverSpace> uvijek nesto sjebem pa moram sve izpocetka postavke slagat
[14:11] <BotaniCar> Sjebes samo jedno - ne backupiras :)
[14:13] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: eh sjebem doistalirane pakete i postavke
[14:13] <SilverSpace> koje vecinom nisu iste sa novom verzijom
[14:14] <SilverSpace> u biti rado stara verzija ok ali bi ja htio vidjet kaj ima novo
[14:14] <SilverSpace> :)
[14:15] <SilverSpace> Milanović nudi Petrovu mjesto šefa Sabora
[14:16] <SilverSpace> 'Oni nude mjesta, a mi tražimo reforme. Ne pričamo isti jezik'
[14:16] <SilverSpace> petrov
[14:16] <SilverSpace> eh koliko dugo ce se toga drzati
[14:18] <SilverSpace> http://www.24sata.hr/nogomet/brazilci-koji-nose-kockice-san-im-je-zaigrati-za-klub-u-hnl-u-448975
[14:18] <SilverSpace> vid ludaka
[14:19] <Mmike> daklem
[14:19] <Mmike> di sam se ja sad vozio :)
[14:19] <BotaniCar> Di di di
[14:19] <Mmike> jedno 40 km kroz sumu, lovci vikali na mene da sta im plasim lovinu :)
[14:20] <jelly-home> Mmike: trebao si vozit hibrida il teslu ;-)
[14:20] <jelly-home> potiho
[14:22] <BotaniCar> Mmike: jel ti to ides opet ajvar radit' , kriomice ?
[14:22] <SilverSpace> :)
[14:22] <SilverSpace> Mmike: kaj si zalutao v sumu
[14:23] <Mmike> https://www.google.hr/maps/place/45%C2%B035'13.1%22N+15%C2%B043'54.2%22E/@45.5869657,15.7295413,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[14:23] <Mmike> tu
[14:23] <Mmike> je most potrgan
[14:23] <Mmike> pa se nisam usudio autom preko
[14:23] <Mmike> ne, iso sam do zene na selo pa dok dete spava u autu ja sam malo okolo isao
[14:25] <SilverSpace> Mmike: oo
[14:26] <SilverSpace> par puta to pjesice obiso
[14:27] <SilverSpace> pisarovini bio pet mjeseci terena
[14:28] <BotaniCar> When your wife gives you a cold shoulder https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/11168465_1064700636873358_7096683204473661285_n.jpg?oh=2be1714d00187db99d21ba3b2a70cf63&oe=56ED19B9
[14:29] <SilverSpace> Hrvatska ima više od 100 tisuća ovisnika o kocki i internetu
[14:30] <SilverSpace> kam vi spadate :)
[14:30] <SilverSpace> kocka ili internet :P
[14:30] <jelly-home> a koliko ih je ovisno o kocki NA internetu?
[14:30] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: da. :)
[14:30] <jelly-home> nisam ovisan, to mi je posal!!!!1
[14:31] <SilverSpace> jelly-home: svi sto tisuca :)
[14:31] <jelly-home> rece on, citajuci feedove na mobitelu dok ide s posla doma.... preko ceste
[14:32] <SilverSpace> je sad ti je to izgovor posao ne
[14:32] <BotaniCar> Kaj ce nam izgovori ? Kakav si to couk ako nemas poroka !
[14:32] <BotaniCar> Il' ne vjerujes u Proroka !
[14:32] <BotaniCar> Word
[14:32] * BotaniCar ode Jay-Z u prodat' text
[14:33] <Mmike> drow!
[14:33] <BotaniCar> Ahahahahaha
[14:33] <SilverSpace> Grad Zagreb ulaže oko 6,5 milijuna kuna godišnje za različite programe prevencije i liječenaj svih oblika ovisnosti.
[14:34] <BotaniCar> Brijem da bi vise rezultata polucili da rade na generaciji radnih mjesta. Kua bi se mladez (toliko ) droxala da imaju kaj delat'
[14:34] <BotaniCar> "generaciji radnih mjesta" .. kak ja mogu sve krivo napisat'
[14:36] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smpuV0RL0Q
[14:36] <datase> YouTube: TBF - 3-Logija Jada - 0:04:35 - 4941 views - 13 likes / 0 dislikes
[14:41] <SilverSpace> zaboravih na treninge
[14:41] <SilverSpace> danas
[14:41] <SilverSpace> regenerqaciji
[14:46] <Mmike> SilverSpace: kad su?
[15:38] <jelly-home> .np jellese
[15:38] <datase> jelly-home: Natalie Merchant - Space Oddity
[15:45] <Mmike> .np house
[15:45] <datase> Mmike: A Flock of Seagulls - I Ran (So Far Away) (Radio Edit)
[15:46] <Mmike> wat?
[15:46] <jelly-home> parametar je tvoj last.fm akaunat
[16:23] <Mmike> pitam ja kolegu koji kod customera nest radi: jel' se samo sjebo junit, ili je cijeli cluster dolje
[16:24] <Mmike> a veli on 'no'
[16:24] <Mmike> :)
[16:24] <jelly-home> jesi pitao sa inclusive OR ili exclusive :-)
[16:25] <SilverSpace> kako lako izgubit prijatelja. posudis mu novce
[16:25] <jelly-home> anyway... kolegica odlazi i ima baklave i tri vrste gina gore... AFK
[16:26] <SilverSpace> Mmike: qvale su sutra u 14h
[16:26] <SilverSpace> trening je bio isto u 14
[16:27] <SilverSpace> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/966116/f1suz.png
[16:28] <Mmike> jelly-home: do comment on gin
[16:31] <SilverSpace> kad bi sad gradio kucu obavezno bi si stavio pec na drva
[16:31] * Mmike je na selu
[16:31] <Mmike> i ima pec na drva :)
[16:32] <Mmike> iako sam trenutno vani
[16:32] <SilverSpace> nema ti nis ljepse od mirisa i pucketanja
[16:32] <Mmike> gledam mrak :)
[16:32] <SilverSpace> Mmike: tam di si ti je fakat mrak :)
[16:33] <SilverSpace> mogo si i u ribolov otici :)
[17:11] <vileni_> jebote black friday vise
[17:12] <vileni_> otoh, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/ref=pe_1559611_89046971_pe_stripe/?ASIN=B00Y3TM6CO
[17:14] <jelly-home> velis, jeftino, a lose? :-)
[17:15] <jelly-home> al rootljivo za eksperimente
[17:16] <jelly-home> brijem da bi samo display za spojiti na r.pi ili dosao bar jednako skupo ak ne skuplje
[17:20] <vileni_> jelly: gledao sam neki review, kazu da uopce nije toliko los koliko bi mogao biti s obzirom na cijenu
[17:20] <vileni_> ali imam vec tablet, iako mu performanse i nisu nesto
[17:22] <jelly> meni je buraz poklonio Nexus 10, pa o tabletu kao tabletu nemam sta razmisljat
[17:22] <vileni_> opa, to je lijepo
[17:22] <jelly> ima vecu rezoluciju nego bi si ikad kupio za monitor
[17:23] <vileni_> meni je najbolja velicina 8"
[17:23] <jelly> ovo je super za citat stripove, skoro prava 1:1 velicina
[17:24] <vileni_> ide mi to i na 8" :)
[17:24] <vileni_> a nekako je kompaktniji i laki
[18:04] <SilverSpace> fora https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0569/7173/products/MG_0280_1024x1024.jpg
[18:34] <Mmike> brijem da moram u jastrebarsko
[18:34] <Mmike> ostao sam bez mineralne
[18:44] <vileni_> Mmike: ne mozes cisto vino piti?
[18:44] <Mmike> par je razloga zasto ne
[18:44] <Mmike> prvo, nije fino
[18:44] <Mmike> drugo, od 2 case bi se nalio k'o guzica
[18:45] <vileni_> pa ti nebi smetalo sto nije fino :)
[18:50] <SilverSpace> :)
[18:52] <SilverSpace> http://net.hr/webcafe/planet-x/tajanstvena-nesreca-u-kini-auti-se-prevrtali-iz-nepoznatog-razloga/
[18:52] <SilverSpace> o fuck
[18:52] <SilverSpace> flash protutnjao zebrom
[20:36] <Mmike> kakva divota
[20:36] <Mmike> SilverSpace: drva nacijepana, vatrica gori
[20:36] <Mmike> fali samo snijeg :)
[20:38] <SilverSpace> :)
[20:39] <SilverSpace> nema nis lijepse od vatrice u peci
[20:45] <SilverSpace> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sjhHC-RDVw
[20:45] <datase> YouTube: Sebastian Vettel sings Happy Birthday in Italian to his engineer - 0:00:25 - 539 views - 73 likes / 0 dislikes
[20:49] <SilverSpace> U sklopu novostvorene električne Formule E sljedeće godine započet će i natjecanje 20 bolida koji neće imati vozače za upravljačem. Bit će to promocija novih revolucionarnih rješenja automobilske industrije...
[20:53] <Mmike> SilverSpace: kaj!?
[20:54] <SilverSpace> eto prije nego sto smo mislili
[20:54] <SilverSpace> bolidi bez vozaca
[20:56] <vileni_> to je vec godinama, samo vi mislite da oni nesto voze :P
[21:05] <Mmike> SilverSpace: ma daj url
[21:27] <SilverSpace> http://m.tportal.hr/sport/406471/Stigla-je-revolucija-Utrke-bolida-vozit-ce-se-bez-vozaca.html
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.787398
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BotaniCar",
"Mmike",
"SilverSpace",
"datase",
"dodobas",
"ivoks",
"jelly",
"jelly-home",
"obruT",
"pkiller",
"vileni_"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-hr.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-hr"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-discuss
|
[00:45] <daftykins> TJ-: nice 240GB value SSD on amazon UK for £39.99 delivered today ;)
[00:46] <OerHeks> not bad :-)
[00:46] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4
[00:46] <daftykins> low stats but it's not TLC, which is nice :>
[00:48] <OerHeks> read 550MB/s - write 350MB/s
[00:48] <daftykins> yeah, weak write as they go
[00:49] <OerHeks> but don't look at the speeds, the 0 sec seektime is the real profit
[00:51] <daftykins> ja :>
[00:51] <daftykins> if i got that for the cheap Lenovo i bought last night, that's £233 for a pretty decent machine
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:11] <daftykins> \o
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[03:11] <daftykins> check this one out sir ;) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4
[03:11] <daftykins> cheap model, but daym
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> lets c :p
[03:11] <daftykins> £33 delivered!
[03:11] <daftykins> how was the spa/sauna/etc?
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> wow sweet price
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> very nice 3 hours + breakfast +jacuzzi +turkish steam and regular sauna
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> i still have an old sandisk 8gig slc upsatirs
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> fast as rocket
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> hmm delivered to belgium
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> does amazon sell barebones too?
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> barebone laptops are hard to find
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> SeriouslyLaugh: morning
[03:23] <SeriouslyLaugh> evening lotuspsychje -- happy turkey day
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> i want to play with the bot -- anyone know the command?
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> it's something like /msg ubot5 help
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> doesn't work
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot
[03:27] <SeriouslyLaugh> ty lotuspsychje
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> or query ubottu
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> nice, xscreensaver works out of the box now
[03:49] <daftykins> alrighty, time to call it a night i think
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> last time i tryed i had to mess with gnome screensaver deamon
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> sweet dreams daftykins
[03:50] <daftykins> thanks ^_^ your shift now ;)
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> : )
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> if we only would be payed for this :p
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> well at least we have knowledge from it
[03:51] <daftykins> they couldn't offer us enough
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> omg...
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/24/windows-10-automatic-spying-begins-again/
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> there's a reason it's a free OS
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> JUST SAYING
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> blasted caps, sorry
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> their killing themelfs..
[04:14] <SeriouslyLaugh> nah
[04:14] <SeriouslyLaugh> too big to fail
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt dare to say that
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> linux will make a big jump out of this
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> youl see
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Bashing-om before sleep :p
[04:22] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Depnd on lotuspsychje to provide the best .
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:38] <Bashing-om> Retiring at this time . Will enjoy my cookies at liesure. Will return much later .. Lord willing . Take care til .
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> see ya all later
[05:47] <SeriouslyLaugh> later
[11:12] <TJ-> Grrr, when is 16GB SSD really a 7GB SSD!?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:21] <daftykins> \o
[14:02] <TJ-> amazing, 100 PCU cluster running on 16 watts
[14:02] <TJ-> s/PCU/CPU/
[14:02] <EriC^^> hey TJ- , how's it going?
[14:03] <TJ-> Good - now I figured out plugging the SSD in firmly doubles its capacity :D
[14:03] <EriC^^> nice :D
[14:04] <TJ-> should try that with the Samsung EVOs :D
[14:04] <TJ-> did you get your LNB down-converter ... converted into a working model?
[14:04] <EriC^^> nope, not yet :D
[14:05] <TJ-> I'm trying to design a bulk rack mount for 100 of the new RasPi Zero boards
[14:06] <EriC^^> cool
[14:06] <EriC^^> what will they be used for?
[14:06] <TJ-> Build farm for ARM packages
[14:06] <EriC^^> oh, cool
[14:33] <daftykins> heya o/
[14:33] <daftykins> one of the UK folks was doing something similar, never saw where the project went though
[14:34] <daftykins> http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/05/20/32_way_raspberry_pi_cluster.jpg
[14:34] <daftykins> :D
[14:36] <pauljw> hi all
[14:36] <daftykins> \o
[14:37] <pauljw> :)
[14:38] <TJ-> yeah, But the big Pi takes up a lot of space due to clearance for the connectors, and it's also difficult to create slot-in racks for them. These Zeros should be able to slot into a chassis that has fixed USB micro-power plugs for power and connectivity, only need maybe 10 vias in a mount PCB to pack these Zeros in high-density mode
[14:39] <daftykins> :>
[14:41] <TJ-> better than the Ras Pi module in fact
[15:50] <daftykins> teenager identified :)
[15:50] <TJ-> OK, I'm shopping for old-style mobo mounted PC speaker/buzzer units on aliexpress (China's eShopping destination for components, etc.) and see a photo of one with a label on top that reads "REMOVE SEAL AFTER WASHING" !!
[15:50] <daftykins> lmao
[15:50] <TJ-> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-Active-Passive-Buzzer-Alarm-5v-Sounder-speaker-Buzzer/1290577003.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_1
[15:51] <TJ-> I'm so at a loss I can't move on :D
[15:51] <TJ-> What DO those people think !?
[15:52] <daftykins> i still haven't 100% nailed down this little CCTV 4 camera PoE system i put in for some friends, as the software is so badly translated
[15:52] <daftykins> i know it's capable of being set to motion detected capture, whereas right now it's just recording constantly
[15:52] <TJ-> Get a translator to help
[15:53] <TJ-> Probably hire 10 on mechanical turk :)
[15:53] <daftykins> well i'm not sure it can be switched to the original chinese/whatever to even do that :(
[15:53] <daftykins> even the UI design is so bad it's illogical to even try fumbling your way through
[15:54] <daftykins> i'd have to go and spend some time down at my friends art gallery i think to fiddle and test
[15:54] <TJ-> :) the joys of world trade :)
[15:54] <daftykins> yip!
[15:54] <daftykins> very impressive kit though
[15:55] <TJ-> I've been investigating some PTZ 30x optical HD PoE for here, to keep an eye on far-flung areas
[15:55] <daftykins> ah har
[15:55] <daftykins> oh was your weather station blown over the other morning by the by?
[15:56] <TJ-> it fell off its pole and was hanging in its wires
[15:56] <daftykins> erk!
[15:57] <TJ-> alarm was going off around 0330 saying it was -27C outside
[15:59] <daftykins> surely not o0
[15:59] <TJ-> hanging upside-down the rain was getting into the electronics of the transmitter
[16:00] <pauljw> that's funny except for that whole 0330 thing... :)
[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:00] <TJ-> pauljw: yeah, it was the night of the storm, so I was resisting going outside but eventually it annoyed me enough
[16:00] <pauljw> that sucks
[16:01] <TJ-> my own fault; I should have secured it better
[16:02] <pauljw> other than that, do you like it? i've been considering picking one up.
[16:03] <TJ-> it's lasted about 9 years so far, just have to change the 2 AAA batteries every few months, it's about 250 meters out into the fields
[16:04] <TJ-> the house station is useful and allows USB data collection so good for collecting and analysing weather vs crop yields and so forth
[16:04] <pauljw> nice, what make and model?
[16:05] <TJ-> hmmm! you have to ask the hardest question!
[16:05] <daftykins> XD
[16:05] <pauljw> lol, sorry
[16:05] <TJ-> after all this time.. I honestly don't remember!
[16:05] <pauljw> np
[16:05] <TJ-> it's not got any model indicator on the unit
[16:05] <pauljw> i have google
[16:06] <TJ-> I think it's a rebadged Fine Offset WH1080
[16:06] <pauljw> thanks, i'll have a look... :)
[16:07] <TJ-> there are much better devices, more accurate, nowadays
[16:07] <TJ-> many are wifi enabled with embedded linux, which makes data collection so much easier
[16:08] <pauljw> well, it's black friday, now you all know what i'll be doing this afternoon...
[16:08] <daftykins> i've been shopping for days :( i swear i need someone to block me from amazon
[16:08] <pauljw> lol
[16:09] <daftykins> still, a £200 haswell i3 laptop, £33 240GB SSD and a bluray TV set for £60 down from £160 is pretty good :>
[16:09] <pauljw> that is good!
[16:10] <TJ-> hmmm... search for "speaker", site does 'related search' "Power Bank" ... it's that Chinglese again, I bet!
[16:11] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4 <-- still there even, bit of a budget model but worth a glance TJ- :)
[16:13] <OerHeks> 10 of those in raid, njummie
[16:14] <TJ-> they're SATA interface so no good for me
[16:15] <daftykins> haha that could be quite fun actually, 6 ports free on my controller... £180 for 6 ;)
[16:16] <daftykins> but no! :)
[16:22] <TJ-> haha! I've flushed out yet another bug in core system tooling where it assumes 'root' = UID, this time in cryptdisks_start
[16:24] <TJ-> " * LUKS_HDD_BOOT: INSECURE OWNER FOR xxxxxxx.keyfile" => ll -n = "-r-------- 1 0 0 4096 Sep 1 23:57 xxxxxx.keyfile"
[17:19] <daftykins> am i totally wrong, claiming that this guy wanting to install 32-bit graphics drivers on a 64-bit host is not going to work? o0
[17:33] <TJ-> which user?
[17:33] <daftykins> tilpner
[17:34] <daftykins> unless said user just wants to work with the libs or something, not actually use the driver *shrug*
[17:35] <TJ-> Well, if the entire userspace is 32-bit that'll work on a 64-bit kernel, but he won't be mixing 64 and 32 bi userspace X server drivers
[17:37] <daftykins> ah ok :) ta!
[17:47] <BluesKaj> my 32 bit vlc version runs smoother on some difficult (read slightly corrupted) mkv wrapped videos than the 64 bit version
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.805305
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Bashing-om",
"BluesKaj",
"EriC^^",
"OerHeks",
"SeriouslyLaugh",
"TJ-",
"daftykins",
"lotuspsychje",
"pauljw"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-discuss.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-discuss"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu
|
[00:00] <r_rios> k1l_: it seems kwin has crashed
[00:00] <loa> is it possible to install ubuntu with windows uefi?
[00:00] <batfastad> Hi everyone. I'm looking to put a bridge on a bonded interface to be used by KVM guests. Does this /etc/network/interfaces look correct? https://gist.github.com/benbradley/3c85af363bc33e24f545
[00:00] <k1l_> OneM_Industries: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254826/how-to-force-a-clock-update-using-ntp
[00:00] <Bashing-om> Charcoal1ire: Ouch ... yeah ! You are oh so correct .. can not respond with the 'y' ! My bad .
[00:00] <OneM_Industries> Thank you!
[00:01] <k1l_> OneM_Industries: i would prefer 2nd answer there
[00:01] <Charcoal1ire> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.org/13520549
[00:01] <newbie|3> daftykins: I burned a CD with three songs on it. I want to send it to a person with the person's name, postal address and the list of songs. I don't think I can print on the CD itself, but want to print a label that I can put on the CD
[00:02] <newbie|3> daftykins: If I can print it on a sticker / label, I'll be happy
[00:02] <daftykins> newbie|3: yeah ok, lightscribe was a technology that you could flip a disc then use a laser to write a label... anyway;i would highly recommnd against that - it's not safe
[00:03] <newbie|3> By the way, HAPPY THANKSGIVING
[00:03] <daftykins> actually you're on the internet right now, so people can be from outside the US ;)
[00:03] <newbie|3> daftykins: I'm in Belgium, but I'm also an American
[00:05] <Guest72802> is it practical to load a graphical virtual environment while booted into a non graphical linux environment?
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Charcoal1ire: Looks good , now RE-boot and when back up run ' sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty '. Get ya up on the latest HWE .
[00:05] <newbie|3> daftykins: Do you have a suggestion for me?
[00:05] <daftykins> Guest72802: you mean can you start X from a text only boot? sure.
[00:05] <Charcoal1ire> Bashing-om: Okay, be right back after the reboot!
[00:06] <daftykins> newbie|3: yeah, don't try and stick anything to the CD - but i did find - http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=CD%20/%20DVD&getCompatibility=any
[00:06] <Bashing-om> ChristiQs: K .. will be away for about 15 minutes .
[00:08] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Reboot complete! Can you give me those commands to update the kernel again?
[00:08] <newbie|3> daftykins: I've got Philipps progfessional 74 minute CDs
[00:09] <newbie|3> daftykins: Don't know if I could print directly on the CD, so sticking it on the CD seems my only option
[00:09] <Guest72802> daftykins: no what I mean is I want to have a few virtual environments, and manually run one or possibly two from inside a non graphical environment. The gui must be sandboxed
[00:09] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: ' sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty
[00:09] <Bashing-om> libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty '
[00:11] <daftykins> newbie|3: and i said i advise against that.
[00:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It says it can't find that last one. Working on the others.
[00:11] <daftykins> Guest72802: i don't see the confusion if i'm honest, if you're already using VMs why not just create a few instances?
[00:11] <OneM_Industries> k1l_: Apparently ntp and ntpd are unrecognized services.
[00:11] <newbie|3> daftykins: What other option do I have if I don't have a lightscribe engraver or a CD that accepts that?
[00:12] <daftykins> newbie|3: just put the disc in a labelled jewel packet and leave the disc as is
[00:13] <Guest72802> daftykins: I am currently using vms inside a graphical environment. Not what would happen if I took away X and tried to run it.
[00:13] <newbie|3> daftykins: I have a sleeve, but would like to print the stuff rather than handwriting the stuff
[00:13] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It's removing a bunch of things like wine.
[00:13] <daftykins> newbie|3: so you didn't look at my link then?
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: " libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty " ??
[00:14] <newbie|3> daftykins: Yes, I did. and I downloaded two of them
[00:14] <daftykins> then we're done
[00:15] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Yeah, that's the one it can't find.
[00:15] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: It's hanging on removing virtualbox-4.3. Why is it removing everything?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: well, it is there per : Package libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty >> 10.1.3-0ubuntu0.2~precise2: amd64 i386 .
[00:20] <Bashing-om> !info libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty precise-updates
[00:21] <Bashing-om> !info libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty precise
[00:22] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Oh, it's l1, not 11. I can't tell l and 1 apart in this font.
[00:22] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Okay, all of that is done. Now I don't have any programs??
[00:23] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Can not know why the package manager considers wind and virtualbox orphaned .. we can always re-install once the system is stable and the package manager is happy .
[00:25] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Do you now have a GUI desktop ? Is the system stable ?
[00:25] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: Let me reboot and get back to you on that. Be right back.
[00:26] <UnArmed> I have a Dell Latitude E6530 and its suppose to have bluetooth capabilites, Ubuntu tells me that no Bluetooth adapters are found, what am I to do?
[00:27] <teward> UnArmed: I have a similar model and it detects bluetooth. Pastebin the output of 'lspci'
[00:27] <k1l_> UnArmed: see "lspci" and "lsusb" and "rfkill list"
[00:27] <teward> ^ that
[00:28] <k1l_> UnArmed: and make sure to see if there are no hardware switches turned off or the shortcuts are toggled
[00:28] <UnArmed> teward, http://pastebin.com/kVrUdwS5
[00:31] <UnArmed> kil_, http://pastebin.com/Gu8BnF6Q
[00:31] <k1l_> are you sure that exact laptop got bluetooth build in?
[00:31] <UnArmed> I am not 100% certain, no.
[00:31] <OerHeks> that BCM43228 is a dual chip, wifi and BT..
[00:32] <UnArmed> Looking at the specs on the internet, it says it does..its all i know
[00:32] <k1l_> UnArmed: well, you can let them ship with different settings from dell. or someone changed the cards inside etc.
[00:33] <UnArmed> k1l_, I see. I bought it from dell..no cards were changed, I have never tried to use the bluetooth until now, so not sure.
[00:33] <teward> OerHeks: know how to make it work on both bluetooth and wifi then?
[00:33] <teward> if it's a dual chip, that is
[00:33] <k1l_> UnArmed: try the key-combo for enabling BT/wifi
[00:34] <UnArmed> I am not familiar with key-combo..
[00:34] <k1l_> FN+ whatever is printed on there for wifi and/or bluetooth
[00:35] <OerHeks> according to this post, kernel 3.16+ supports it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2266527
[00:35] <teward> UnArmed: it may look like the bluetooth symbol or a wireless antenna with a wireless signal coming out of it, and then follow what k1l_ said
[00:35] <k1l_> according to this it should have the http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201201-10339/components/ Broadcom BCM20702A0 card
[00:36] <k1l_> and a intel wifi card :X
[00:36] <k1l_> so i guess its not sure if that got bluetooth at all on that exact laptop
[00:38] <UnArmed> it may not have..
[00:38] <UnArmed> who knows..
[00:39] <mekhami> why am i getting this error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/da065dc5ed29bbe54fc2
[00:39] <teward> mekhami: because something depends on something else that's not available
[00:39] <k1l_> UnArmed: what gives" usb-devices"?
[00:39] <daftykins> sounds like you're using a messy PPA, mekhami
[00:39] <teward> ^ that
[00:40] <mekhami> daftykins: isn't that just the normal wine ppa
[00:41] <daftykins> mekhami: i don't know, i can't check your package sources from here...
[00:42] <teward> mekhami: sounds like you have conflicts. we can't tell what PPAs you have enabled or not
[00:42] <mekhami> oh sorry i thought it was in there. yeah i added ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[00:42] <teward> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine-1.7 may shed some light into what's on your system or not, or rather where that's available/pulled from
[00:42] <k1l_> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine1.7
[00:42] <k1l_> that will tell where that package is from
[00:43] <Renzadic> can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for html,css,php help?
[00:43] <mekhami> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages
[00:43] <teward> mekhami: i think you have outdated sources perhaps, though
[00:43] <teward> because that PPA was *recently* updated
[00:43] <teward> (run apt-get update again to make sure you're updated?)
[00:43] <mekhami> just ran it
[00:43] <UnArmed> k1l_, Are you a pastebin of usb-devices?
[00:43] <UnArmed> ack are you 'wanting'
[00:43] <k1l_> UnArmed: yes
[00:43] <Renzadic> can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for html,css,php help?
[00:43] <UnArmed> ok
[00:43] <teward> hmm
[00:43] <k1l_> !alis | Renzadic
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: what ubuntu are you on?
[00:44] <mekhami> Renzadic: #php #webdev
[00:44] <mekhami> teward: 15.10
[00:44] <teward> urgh
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: okay, so i think i see one problem.
[00:44] <teward> mekhami: sorta.
[00:44] <teward> (maybe)
[00:45] <UnArmed> k1l_, http://pastebin.com/nJGssZfa
[00:45] <teward> mekhami: i suggest doing what k1l stated, the apt-cache policy, either my command or theirs, and pastebin it
[00:45] <mekhami> https://gist.github.com/mekhami/16f71673b2ca8e02cb5d
[00:46] <teward> mekhami: i also wanted the output for the other two specified packages
[00:46] <teward> oop
[00:46] <k1l_> UnArmed: hmm, dont see a BT chip there
[00:47] <teward> mekhami: apt-cache policy wine1.7 wine1.7-amd64 wine1.7-i386
[00:47] <UnArmed> ok it must not have one then
[00:47] <mekhami> teward: updated the gist
[00:47] <k1l_> UnArmed: so make sure you dont have a hardware switch turned off or try to check the key-combo if that enables one. because that way it only can be blocked by hardware.
[00:48] <CorrosiveEye> I want to write an out of tree module for this trackpad http://bydit.com/doce/products/Microelectronics/2474.html to enable scrolling. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: okay, so now we begin the hunt for the specific failures
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: start installing dependencies one by one, see where it fails
[00:48] <teward> (this is the headachey way of figuring out what's broken, but meh)
[00:48] <teward> mekhami: so, apt-get install wine1.7-amd64 wine1.7-i386
[00:48] <teward> etc. as more errors show up
[00:49] <mekhami> teward: https://gist.github.com/mekhami/16f71673b2ca8e02cb5d
[00:49] <daftykins> CorrosiveEye: ##linux might be more apt
[00:49] <teward> mekhami: E: Not Updated
[00:49] <teward> oh
[00:49] <UnArmed> k1l_, Okay, thanks for your help.
[00:50] <teward> ooooo
[00:50] <teward> mekhami: okay, well... part of the headache in here is that the dependencies are broken
[00:51] <teward> mekhami: libgnutls26 for instance is not available in 15.10
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: so that's packaging issues there
[00:52] <mekhami> teward: so... is this not going to be possible? i'm gonna be really sad :(
[00:52] <mekhami> teward: was so looking forward to playing eve online hah
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: my guess is "no" because you're missing software
[00:52] <daftykins> cheer up :) all is not lost ;)
[00:52] <teward> mekhami: though I know wine1.7 in that PPA for Trusty (14.04) is updated and works
[00:52] <teward> i'll poke the wine ppa people :)
[00:52] <teward> ... later :)
[00:53] <mekhami> no worries, gotta run for now, i'll be back later to ask some more and get this working
[00:54] <teward> mekhami: it won't be fixed until the PPA gets updated
[00:54] <teward> there's dependency failures
[00:54] <mekhami> does that typically take a while?
[00:54] <mekhami> is there somewhere i can report this?
[00:56] <daftykins> mekhami: it's not ubuntu's fault when you're using a PPA, what's the deal here anyway? is it games related?
[00:56] <teward> daftykins: he wants EVE Online
[00:56] <teward> which needs Wine
[00:56] <mekhami> daftykins: yeah i'm trying to run an app through wine
[00:56] <daftykins> yeah that's me out then, more to life than games on Linux
[00:56] <mekhami> i wasn't suggesting it was ubuntu's fault, maybe that i could report it to the wine group
[00:56] <mekhami> daftykins: sure, i just don't feel like dual booting
[00:56] <mekhami> or buying a copy of windows for that matter
[00:57] <daftykins> i don't need to know :)
[00:57] <mekhami> 'more to life than games on Linux' man that's a really strange statement to make.
[00:58] <daftykins> your point escapes me :)
[00:59] <teward> mekhami: I sent an email to the people who are in the Ubuntu Wine team and maintain that PPA, but don't expect expedient fixes.
[00:59] <teward> Alternatively, don't use the latest release of Ubuntu, and use LTS ;)
[00:59] <teward> (though you're free to do what you want)
[00:59] <inf3rn4l> wow, first time using Ubuntu today, it is bad ass!! just wish there was a karabiner type program for it, my return button doesn't work on my Macbook so i need to use the onboard keyboard
[01:00] <sruli> i am trying to install ubuntu server on a luks partition, how do i mount the partition from installer?
[01:01] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: So, now my computer has some kind of pop-up about low graphics mode and can't connect to the Internet or anything. I'm borrowing a laptop and downloading a new 12.04 iso. I think my current strategy is going to be to just reinstall and recover my home folder.
[01:02] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: And still no GUI, so low-graphics mode just seems to be no-graphics mode?
[01:03] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: it's 2015, don't use 12.04 anymore
[01:03] <xar-> there a whatprovides dpkg equivalent; trying to track down the origin of a package
[01:04] <mekhami> teward: i didn't really know much about ubuntu when i installed 15.10, else i would have installed .04
[01:04] <daftykins> xar-: you mean what installed a given package? look at its' dependencies or reverse deps
[01:04] <teward> mekhami: no problem. I've sent an email out, but don't expect much in any expedient time frame.
[01:04] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: IF you are to take that nuclear solution . 3 considerations . 12.04 with or without HWE .. or fresh install the current LTS 14.04 - with or without . ( HWE is to support newly released hardware, does it apply in your case ?) .
[01:04] <delete> Is unity getting axed yet?
[01:04] <xar-> I mean a tool that can resolve it for me, similar to yum whatprovides
[01:04] <delete> and mir
[01:05] <Charcoalfire> daftykins: Which one, then? 15.10, 15.04, 14.10?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: The ;ow graphocs moode is in all likely hood we have yet to get a graphics driver to install .
[01:05] <delete> or at least Unity ported to Mir
[01:05] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: 14.04 is LTS
[01:05] <delete> I mean wayland, not mir
[01:06] <erry> /4
[01:06] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: I can't install a graphics driver without being able to connect to the Internet.
[01:06] <Charcoalfire> daftykins: Okay.
[01:07] <daftykins> that's actually not true, connectivity just makes it easier
[01:07] <logglog> Does some1 mind explaining me what is this display server mir and xorg, wayland. I tried with googling, and i didnt understand :P
[01:07] <Charcoalfire> Well, yeah.
[01:07] <UserUzer> Hello. How can I copy files without eating all my hard drive bandwidth?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: True ... on the internet .. is the WIFI ? and how in the world can that possibly get broken (??) !
[01:07] <k1l_> delete: neither MIR nor Unity get axed.
[01:08] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: When it removed every program, it seems to have removed EVERY program. Including stuff to connect to the Internet.
[01:08] <daftykins> UserUzer: system grinds to a halt if you do a lot of IO huh?
[01:09] <Charcoalfire> daftykins, Bashing-om: I probably should've done a new install forever ago, so even if I can still fix my current super-broken one, it's probably not worth it.
[01:10] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Not a clue why/how that transpired . We took pains to make sure the system was updated ( so far as we could ) I did not see that the sytem was badly broken from the outputs .
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: I must say however, I like 14.04 muchly over 12.04 .
[01:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: When I was running the commands to update the kernel to Trusty, it went through a long thing of "removing virtualbox" "removing skype" "removing xchat".
[01:11] <Charcoalfire> Bashing-om: What do you prefer about 14.04?
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Charcoalfire: Itis faster and cleaner ..
[01:11] <UserUzer> daftykins, kind of. If I'm copying a lot of data I can't do things like listetning to music without getting an error that my hdd can't keep up with music playing lol
[01:13] <UserUzer> So I would like to copy the files without using all my drive's speed so that I can do other things at the same time. I don't need to copy those files as soon as possible
[01:13] <daftykins> UserUzer: how old is this system?
[01:13] <UserUzer> 2010 low end laptop
[01:13] <Charcoalfire> So, when the .iso finishes - I need to do a live boot, back up my home folder, and then install 14.04, and stick the home folder files into it. Right?
[01:13] <daftykins> and HDD for sure, not SSD?
[01:14] <daftykins> Charcoalfire: yep that's about the gist of it
[01:14] <UserUzer> daftykins, yes, hdd. I'm hoping there's a way to copy files at a custom speed, probably via termnal. Right?
[01:14] <Charcoalfire> Thanks for the confirmation, daftykins.
[01:14] <xar-> UserUzer: I/O scheduling is "Hard" (^TM); it's not for the faint of heart; can what you're asking be done? technically yes? is it worth the effort in learning CFQ techniques? probably not.
[01:15] <UserUzer> xar so it's complicated
[01:15] <daftykins> UserUzer: i'd do a quick check on the HDD health first, just in case it's screaming because of that... "sudo apt install pastebinit smartmontools" then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[01:15] <xar-> UserUzer: depends on who is implementing it. ;)
[01:17] <UserUzer> daftykins, does that command require the hdd to be idle? coz I'm still copying the files, though I think I can cancel and resume later
[01:18] <daftykins> UserUzer: nope
[01:18] <daftykins> i'd imagine you could speed limit with rsync, btw
[01:19] <xar-> UserUzer: you can also try to leverage kernel cgroup(s) and restrict io on a per-process basis, also for "power users"; I have no idea what daftykins is talking about though. lol
[01:19] <daftykins> UserUzer: also, open another terminal and run "top" then state the "wa" value
[01:19] <daftykins> xar-: checking SMART disk status for whether it's faulty slowing things down, or just rate limiting a file copy with rsync...
[01:20] <UserUzer> I don't see no wa column on top... xar, is rsynch what you were referring to?
[01:20] <xar-> it's an interesting place to start, so you're assuming the drive is bad? :o
[01:21] <xar-> UserUzer: I'm talking about applying custom io scheduling in general; you can indeed apply it to rsync in userland
[01:21] <daftykins> no i'm saying check it since it takes one command
[01:22] <daftykins> i think xar- is taking this request a little too far personally ;)
[01:22] <daftykins> UserUzer: it's not a column, 'wa' is along the top
[01:23] <daftykins> e.g. %Cpu(s): 0.0 us, 0.3 sy, 0.0 ni, 99.3 id, 0.0 wa,
[01:23] <UserUzer> yes, it says "... 0.3 wa, 0.0 hi, ..."
[01:23] <daftykins> ok so can you run the commands i mentioned and paste the pastebin link it creates?
[01:23] <UserUzer> yes...
[01:24] <xar-> you have to use control groups if you're going to confine and/or isolate system resources; my answer isn't too far, rather it's 'correct' lol
[01:25] <daftykins> not for a beginner chan :)
[01:25] <UserUzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13521281/
[01:26] <daftykins> UserUzer: also "dmesg | tail | pastebinit"
[01:27] <UserUzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13521304/
[01:28] <Techspectre> If I set up a shared folder in Ubuntu 12.04 on one machine, is there any reason I should have issues accessing it from Ubuntu 15.04 on another machine?
[01:28] <xar-> I don't think this is a beginner chan, unless it devolved into that... I certainly hope not.
[01:29] <xar-> UserUzer: the cgroup subsystsem in ubuntu is called 'blkio', so you can start your research there ;)
[01:29] <UserUzer> xar ok I give up.
[01:29] <daftykins> UserUzer: ok nothing particularly looks to be a problem, certainly a cheap slow HDD but that's about it :>
[01:29] <topunxer> xar- Techspectre and UserUzer are not lying
[01:30] <xar-> pardon me?
[01:31] <Techspectre> I tend to ask my questions in as broad a fashion as I possibly can on this channel, though, because if I'm too specific people are less likely to respond
[01:32] <Techspectre> I could have said "Is there any incompatibility in samba versions between 12.04 and 15.04"
[01:32] <UserUzer> daftykins, when buying a hard drive, how can I check it's not a cheap slow one that would give me this kind of problems?
[01:33] <topunxer> UserUzer: spindle speed
[01:33] <daftykins> UserUzer: i've seen media players stop and start when a disk the music is on is under high IO, but the errors you mention are a bit odd to me - be interesting to see a screenshot/paste of one?
[01:33] <daftykins> UserUzer: well i wouldn't buy an HDD at all now, if your laptop had room for it, i'd have an SSD for the OS and keep that disk for pure storage
[01:34] <UserUzer> as in a ssd for / and /boot and a hhd for /home?
[01:34] <Techspectre> UserUzer, that is an ideal configuration. Also SSD for swap
[01:35] <UserUzer> daftykins, but if I keep this one how will I avoid the problems?
[01:35] <topunxer> Who uses swap anymore Techspectre
[01:35] <daftykins> everyone, actually
[01:35] <Techspectre> Most people
[01:36] <daftykins> UserUzer: yes, split tasks between. well, can you share this error that comes up? or explain what your file copy is, just a backup to a NAS or something?
[01:36] <xar-> Techspectre: my response was in response to daftykins, not you, sorry for the confusion ;)
[01:37] <Techspectre> xar-, ah I see. No big deal
[01:37] <daftykins> xar-: the pardon? no idea what you're on about then.
[01:37] <topunxer> UserUzer: not needed really. Swap is old fashioned
[01:37] <UserUzer> daftykins, ok, I'll be a bit more specific: I was moving files from one hdd partition to another
[01:38] <daftykins> aaaah so an internal transfer
[01:38] <daftykins> yeah that's no surprise
[01:38] <Techspectre> So... I did install samba, etc. via Nautilus's utility to set up shared folders, but when I connect with smb://IP address it just shows me 'Print$'
[01:38] <topunxer> If you need swap then you have old machine
[01:38] <daftykins> ideanlly then, either get an SSD+HDD setup if your laptop has internal space, or get a NAS maybe so you can keep some storage off this laptop.
[01:38] <UserUzer> "no surprise"? so it's normal on any hdd?
[01:39] <xar-> daftykins: 'topunxer' came out of left field with an incoherent comment that didn't make sense, hence the excusal, at no time did I feel like UserUzer was lying about his observation(s)
[01:39] <daftykins> topunxer: you do know swap is used for sleep and hibernate also?
[01:39] <Techspectre> topunxer, I'm not sure if that's really the case... I'm certain that I don't need swap, because my machine has 24 GB of memory, but I have swap anyway because not having swap leads to problems
[01:39] <daftykins> xar-: i never said anything about anyone lying or not, i think you might want to read back and double check who you think is saying certain things.
[01:40] <xar-> daftykins: 10 minutes ago, "Techspectre and UserUzer are not lying" O_o
[01:40] <topunxer> If you hibernated. It's faster and better to power off. Sleep to ram don't need swap
[01:41] <daftykins> xar-: yeah i don't know why you're telling ME this though, can we get back on topic please?
[01:42] <xar-> daftykins: because you asked 4 minutes ago "the pardon?" lol
[01:42] <daftykins> yeah ok i meant something else but i'm already bored of this circular conversation, so let's just move on? :)
[01:43] <xar-> daftykins: I'm already moved on, did UserUzer give up? lol
[01:43] <daftykins> either that or hit reset
[01:45] <xar-> short of just an old drive with piss-poor I/O ratings, he'll have to get creative with the scheduler, or just buy a new bloody drive
[01:45] <xar-> I prefer the latter, SSDs are *cheap*
[01:46] <daftykins> the devil was in the details as usual, copying internally between partitions is an insta-ugh
[01:48] <xar-> I mean yea, if your hardware is bad ^_^
[01:49] <OerHeks> lots of small files, probably
[01:49] <fabio> olá?
[01:50] <fabio> estou no canal do ubuntu?
[01:50] <fabio> minha primeira vez no xchat
[01:50] <OerHeks> hi fabio, this channel is english only
[01:50] <xar-> !portuguese
[02:04] <AnimalFarmPig> I'm looking to change operating systems on one of my boxes, and I'm leaning towards ubuntu. It will be a file server (nfs & cifs) using bcache to accelerate a mdraid mirror. I may also run some lxc containers. It looks like bcache tools are available in 14.04. Any reason I would want to go with 15.10 instead of 14.04?
[02:06] <k1l_> AnimalFarmPig: usually you dont want non-LTS on servers. you will nee to upgrade that box in 8 months at least. on LTS you got 5 years support. which means 14.04 still got more than 3 years left
[02:07] <AnimalFarmPig> Yeah, I prefer to stay on a LTS
[02:07] <k1l_> AnimalFarmPig: or you install 15.10 now and upgrade to 16.04 next year. 16.04 will be LTS
[02:07] <AnimalFarmPig> is it a pretty smooth upgrade typically? Also, 15.10 is systemd, yeah?
[02:07] <k1l_> yes, since 15.04 ubuntu got systemd
[02:07] <k1l_> upgrades are automated tested. so should work in most times.
[02:09] <AnimalFarmPig> cool, good to know. I think I'll stick with 14.04. I remember reading about problems with systemd and containers
[02:09] <Techspectre> Wait so you can do a system upgrade without having issues now?
[02:09] <Techspectre> You don't need to do a fresh install?
[02:09] <k1l_> Techspectre: i do upgrades since 11.xx on a machine.
[02:10] <Techspectre> Interesting... I remember I tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.04 and it gave me problems, so I had to do a fresh install. Kinda shied away from it since
[02:10] <UserUzer> When you copy a oflder that is too big Ubuntu tells you it can't copy it before starting the process and not at the end, right?
[02:10] <UserUzer> *folder
[02:11] <k1l_> Techspectre: well, 12.04 to 13.04 would have needed a step to 12.10 anyways
[02:12] <daftykins> UserUzer: starting the process o0 i have no idea of that one
[02:12] <Techspectre> k1l, what about upgrading from like... Okay so let's say you have a machine with 12.04 now. Can you upgrade it all the way to 15.10 using the upgrade tool?
[02:12] <UserUzer> daftykins, I mean, before starting to copy anything
[02:13] <daftykins> UserUzer: i think you might want to provide an example of these messages you say ubuntu is giving :>
[02:13] <k1l_> Techspectre: you would need the LTS upgrade to 14.04, then the EOL-upgrade to 14.10, then another EOL-Upgrade to 15.04 then regular upgrade to 15.10
[02:14] <k1l_> Techspectre: tl;dr: a reinstall would be much more faster.
[02:14] <UserUzer> daftykins, "an additional Xgb will be needed" something like that is shown before copying right?
[02:14] <Techspectre> Okay. I've actually got my mom on Ubuntu 12.04, which I installed for her years ago. I'll jump her up to 15.10 one of these days.
[02:15] <daftykins> UserUzer: err nope that sounds more like an upgrade you're talking about there.
[02:15] <k1l_> Techspectre: honestly: jump here to 14.04 with the LTS upgrade.
[02:15] <UserUzer> have you never tried to copy a folder where it won't fit?
[02:15] <k1l_> then wait untill 16.04.1 is released and jump her to 16.04 with the next LTS upgrade
[02:16] <Techspectre> k1l_, okay I'll do that. I can do that from teamviewer lol
[02:16] <daftykins> UserUzer: i tend not to make that mistake :>
[02:16] <UserUzer> hehe, I tend not to remember to check space before moving stuff
[02:17] <logglog> Hello everyone, when i was using manjaro before i used a program for taking screenshits and it offers me to automatical upload it to the internet, is there an alternative for ubuntu?
[02:17] <logglog> screenshots*
[02:17] <k1l_> logglog: what desktop and what screenshot tool was that?
[02:17] <daftykins> UserUzer: i'm not quite sure why you're juggling between partitions so much either?
[02:17] <logglog> I cant remmeber, thats why i ask :P
[02:18] <logglog> it comes with manjaro
[02:18] <k1l_> logglog: doesnt sound like the standard gnome one
[02:18] <logglog> manjaro is xfe
[02:18] <logglog> xfce*
[02:18] <UserUzer> The thing is, after copying the first lot of files I talked about earlier I got a prompt telling me there's only 2gb left on /home, and I wonder if that's after copying all those files or if it just stopped and left 2gb free
[02:19] <daftykins> xfce has something built in, but someone mentioned greenshot the other day which has a lot of features
[02:19] <k1l_> !info xfce4-screenshoter
[02:19] <daftykins> UserUzer: partitions tend to have a default 5% space reservation for the root user, so they don't fill right up
[02:20] <UserUzer> I will free space but I need to know if Ubuntu could copy the files or not. My thinking is it there was not enough space I would have been told from the beginning
[02:20] <UserUzer> *if there
[02:20] <k1l_> !info xfce4-screenshooter | logglog
[02:21] <logglog> k1l_ so... what can i do xD i am newer at linux
[02:21] <k1l_> logglog: on xubuntu it should be default anyway
[02:22] <UserUzer> I would have been told from the beginning COZ Ubuntu doesn't copy folders if there's not enough space (unlike windows which starts to copy and then at the end "realizes" there's not enough space and asks you what to do)
[02:22] <logglog> okey
[02:22] <logglog> thx
[02:23] <UserUzer> right?
[02:23] <daftykins> UserUzer: i have no idea why you're still on this topic; just check first in future? :)
[02:23] <m000gle> Is there any way to adjust the size of the mouse cursor in Ubuntu 15.10
[02:24] <daftykins> time to buy a large external drive too.
[02:24] <UserUzer> really? I think I've explained my situation well enough but nvm
[02:24] <OerHeks> err, windows does check the available space before copying, afaik
[02:25] <UserUzer> OerHeks, well I seem to remember the opposite but that was long ago, maybe it's changed
[02:25] <daftykins> it has :>
[02:26] <pataters> hi
[02:28] <UserUzer> daftykins, yes I'm thinking of getting a new hdd but I wonder how limited I am by just being on a laptop
[02:28] <daftykins> UserUzer: you never explained why you're shuffling between partitions
[02:28] <hfp> Hi all, I have installed Chrome 43 on Ubuntu 12.04 using the .deb package that Google offered. Now Chrome is outdated and I want to use PPA via apt-get rather than downloading the new .deb. I added Chrome's PPA to my apt-get, ran apt-get update then upgrade, Chrome 46 was installed. But when I launch Chrome, it's still v43. If I uninstall Chrome 46 using apt-get purge, I don't seem to have Chrome anymore (sear
[02:29] <hfp> ching for it using the launcher widget doesn't return any result). If I install Chrome using apt-get and check for the version, it's v43 again. How do I fix this so Chrome 43 installed from Google's .deb is fully uninstalled and apt-get handles Chrome?
[02:29] <UserUzer> daftykins, basically I'm making a backup of partition a on partition b, hence I'm copying almost everything
[02:29] <Bashing-om> h
[02:29] <daftykins> UserUzer: i see, this is a huge waste of time, a backup is not a backup when it's on the same physical disk.
[02:30] <daftykins> buy an external
[02:30] <UserUzer> ...because I will install another os on partition a
[02:30] <shingbling> hi
[02:30] <Bashing-om> hfp: google-chrome is proprietary to google .. it is not in the repo or availabale via a PPA .
[02:30] <daftykins> UserUzer: crazy plan right there
[02:31] <OerHeks> hfp, strange, the deb from google just adds the repo + key, so you had the original chrome anyway, and would get the latest trough updates
[02:31] <UserUzer> If I had more free space I would have left those partitions alone but unfortunatelly it's filling up. YES, I will buy a new hard drive soon but how would I benefit from an external one instead of upgrading the internal one?
[02:32] <hfp> OerHeks: That's weird. With Google's deb, when I ran apt-get update, there was no mention of Chrome. After I added a repo for chrome, then it showed in the upgradeable packages via apt-get
[02:32] <UserUzer> Does external hdds use external power as well?
[02:32] <hfp> Bashing-om: My bad, maybe it wasn't PPA, let me check
[02:33] <daftykins> hfp: the .deb is meant to add a PPA, so you'd then have to update package lists to see it perhaps - but 12.04 is getting on a bit so maybe they're giving up o0
[02:33] <OerHeks> chrome or chromium-browser?
[02:34] <Bashing-om> hfp: chromium ? the opensource release of google-chrome ?
[02:36] <Brennan_> Hello!
[02:36] <daftykins> hi
[02:42] <hfp> daftykins, Bashing-om: Ah it seems Chrome 46 needs ubuntu 14 or higher. I'm SOL with my Ubuntu 12. Would love to upgrade but afraid it'll mess things up...
[02:43] <Bashing-om> hfp: :( .. Yeah .. I can see an upgrade in your future :)
[02:44] <Qasker> ubuntu gnome 15.10. I am trying to have my sudo password be required before mounting external drives. The accepted answer here worked well on 12.04 but does not work on 14.x 15.x http://askubuntu.com/questions/389974/how-can-i-make-ubuntu-ask-for-my-password-before-mounting-usb-drives
[02:44] <daftykins> hfp: that figures, i wasn't 100%. clean install time i would say
[02:44] <hfp> Heh, what do you know. I tried to install it again and now it's running 46.
[02:49] <Bashing-om> hfp: I do stand impressed .
[03:00] <jyoti> hi all
[03:00] <diewlowenstein> hi
[03:00] <artemmikheev> hello
[03:00] <artemmikheev> hey m8s
[03:00] <diewlowenstein> http://brainden.com/geometry-puzzles.htm
[03:00] <jyoti> i am new
[03:00] <artemmikheev> ill rek u
[03:00] <artemmikheev> hello
[03:00] <diewlowenstein> this si so aa;sodfhasdf
[03:01] <jyoti> help me bros
[03:01] <diewlowenstein> how?|
[03:01] <jyoti> :)
[03:01] <diewlowenstein> :D
[03:01] <artemmikheev> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[03:01] <artemmikheev> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDx
[03:01] <artemmikheev> XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[03:01] <diewlowenstein> aciim
[03:01] <diewlowenstein> ghsd
[03:01] <jyoti> i want to install cute launcher on my ubunt
[03:01] <diewlowenstein> bye
[03:02] <jyoti> hey there
[03:03] <UserUzer> OK I've finished copying the files and I Think everything got through but I noticed something interesting: The partition I was copying from was 100GB and mounted on /media/user. After I unmounted the partition I suddenly got 100gb free space back, which makes me wonder, do mounted partitions count as space on the partition they're mounted until they're unmounted? e.g. can I not mount a 200gb partition on a 100gb partition? if so, how do people mount ext
[03:03] <UserUzer> ernal drives that exceed their internal storage by many gb?
[03:04] <daftykins> experiment with "df -h" when mounted and not, to see
[03:04] <jyoti> hlp me plz
[03:05] <delt> Hello
[03:05] <UserUzer> I mounted them by clicking. Do I have to mount them from terminal to be able to use those arguments daftykins ?
[03:05] <delt> suddenly i'm getting this problem ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1290217
[03:05] <delt> on my laptop
[03:06] <delt> the network menu shows "NetworkManager is not running" ...when i try to run it directly, it shows that error
[03:06] <daftykins> UserUzer: run it and see
[03:07] <delt> about glib errors overwriting each other
[03:08] <UserUzer> it shows the same used % before and after mounting
[03:19] <skweek> does the network manager suck with gnome installed, or is it just me or this install?
[03:26] <delt> hello??
[03:26] <SeriouslyLaugh> hi
[03:27] <delt> suddenly i'm getting this problem ---> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1290217
[03:27] <delt> the network menu shows "NetworkManager is not running" ...when i try to run it directly, it shows that error
[03:28] <delt> i just plugged a network cable directly to the laptop to get online, manually uninstalled and reinstalled NetworkManager package, still same shit
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !language | delt
[03:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
[03:29] <daftykins> you can't do that anymore
[03:29] * SeriouslyLaugh shrugs
[03:29] <delt> no
[03:29] <daftykins> full reboot is best
[03:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> i just googled it
[03:29] <delt> reboot does not help
[03:30] <delt> ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/Net*: No such file or directory
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> delt: ubuntu version?
[03:31] <delt> ubuntu studio 14.04
[03:31] <daftykins> well it wouldn't be capital N :>
[03:31] <delt> in /etc/init.d i have: netatalk networking
[03:32] <delt> i tested the wlan hardware, it works ok with a live-cd, so i know it's not a hardware problem.
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: when did this start hapenning?
[03:34] <delt> lotuspsychje: a few days ago
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: after update?
[03:34] <delt> no
[03:34] <delt> didn't update anything
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> delt: fully updated to 14.04.3?
[03:34] <delt> it just randomly started to not work
[03:35] <delt> nope..haven't updated to .03 yet
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> delt: please do and reboot please
[03:35] <delt> what's the best way to do that in ubuntu already?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> !usn | delt try to keep update more often
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> delt: sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:36] <delt> ok, running that...
[03:37] <delt> "need to get 686 MB of archives" ..... :/
[03:37] <daftykins> wow
[03:38] <daftykins> you must ignore the update manager every time it runs, or something
[03:38] <delt> no, it just didn't appear in like months... for some reason
[03:38] <delt> i don't recall disabling anything
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> delt: you can check the update manager in your software startup applications
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> delt: lets us know if its enabled or not in studio
[03:42] <delt> i can't see it (xfce settings -> session and startup -> application autostart)
[03:42] <delt> anyway, the update is at 16%....
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> delt: maybe you should let that know to #ubuntu-studio
[03:43] <delt> yeah :/
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> updates gui as startup is nice to have a regular user
[03:44] <delt> ok gonna play piano while this update thing completes....bbl
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:45] <delt> what's so funny about piano practice?
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> delt: nevermind, enjoy
[03:46] <delt> ... ok
[03:48] <Crazyzufer> Hello, i'm installing elementary os and the installation freezes all the time
[03:48] <Crazyzufer> I've tried several usb devices, none of them work
[03:48] <Bashing-om> !elementary | Crazyzufer
[03:49] <daftykins> Crazyzufer: install a proper distro like ubuntu
[03:51] <Crazyzufer> Daftykins: i guessed somebody would say something like that. Just tried ubuntu gnome and same thing happens
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: wich version did you try then?
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> I tried both
[03:52] <daftykins> sadly that sounds a little too much like "ok if it's banned i'm going to pretend i'm using it" :)
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> None of them work
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: lts non-lts?
[03:52] <Crazyzufer> 15.10
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: start from the beginning and chosoe LTS for stable
[03:53] <delt> 43%...
[03:53] <Crazyzufer> I dont want that version
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: then you might be ready for bughunting too
[03:54] <Crazyzufer> Cool
[03:54] <Crazyzufer> Lets do that
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: try your syslog and dmesg to see whats going on
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: but not now, first reinstall ubuntu
[03:55] <Crazyzufer> Is there a way I can send you a video?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Crazyzufer: reinstall ubuntu desktop first, lets go from there for support
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> Now seems to work
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> Didnt set up wifi this time
[03:57] <Crazyzufer> And everything works
[03:58] <Crazyzufer> Weird
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> delt: keep in mind that if your system acts weird, you might consider a fresh install as you waited to update dangerous security updates too long
[03:59] <Crazyzufer> So many hours wasted to find out it was the wifi
[04:00] <delt> lotuspsychje: i "waited"...?
[04:00] <delt> a bug in ubuntu "waited".
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> delt: the user is responsible for own system
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> delt: you cant blame ubuntu for 'not checking updates daily'
[04:01] <delt> "dangerous security updates" are so common?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> delt: check the usn link i triggered mate
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> delt: 600mb is alot, your system might be exploited like this
[04:03] <delt> lotuspsychje: ok, what if i don't want to reconfigue everything from scratch on this laptop?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> delt: then youl have to risk an exploited system
[04:03] <delt> 71%
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> delt: check 14.04 at the usn page, and scroll back to the time you updated
[04:05] <delt> lotuspsychje: i told you, updates simply ceased to happen. I assumed it was because 14.04 was no longer the current version.
[04:05] <delt> with 15.xx or whatever
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> delt: im not here to blame you mate, but the user is responsible for updating system
[04:06] <delt> ok, and how does this fix the networking on my laptop?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> delt: i never said it was related, but lets try to see from a fully updated system ok?
[04:07] <anukul> hi, is there any strict requirement on which version of ubuntu i've to be using if i want to be working on bug fixes? i have 15.10
[04:07] <Charcoalflame> I'm backing up my home folder to do a new install. Is there ANYTHING that I could possibly need to back up besides my home folder?
[04:07] <delt> ok, 79%
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> !bug | anukul
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> anukul: you can fill bugs on any supported ubuntu version
[04:08] <anukul> i don't want to file bugs, i want to fix bugs.
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !backup | Charcoalfire
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> anukul: fixing bugs isnt limited to an Os, everyone can help!
[04:08] <anukul> thanks! :)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | anukul read this also, we always need good help
[04:09] <anukul> yes, i'm just starting with this.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> anukul: you can idle here also and support here too
[04:09] <anukul> okay
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Nornally, just your personal files in your home directory . unless you have also made extensive system configuration changes .
[04:15] <delt> ok, done downloading, now it's installing the new packages..
[04:15] <delt> .
[04:17] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: How goes it ?
[04:18] <delt> still installing....
[04:18] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: I have the 14.04 Live CD flash drive set up (which I am using right now), and I have five hours left for my home folder to copy over to my external hard drive.
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> delt: please, dont use this channel for every step happening to your system
[04:20] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Oww .. I guess I will sleep on that one for ya ... and see the status my tomorrow night .
[04:20] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: Thanks for trying to help me earlier!
[04:21] <Bashing-om> Charcoalflame: Totally not right for an update to go belly up . But will all work out to the btter in the long term :)
[04:22] <Charcoalflame> Bashing-om: Yeah, I think it will. I had quite a few problems on 12.04.
[04:27] <suaveolentiam> hi does anyone here use the mu email client? I am having some trouble building from source
[04:30] <suaveolentiam> http://pastebin.com/Uq0nCU2C
[04:30] <suaveolentiam> What should I do ?
[04:33] <malimbar> I'm googling now, but... what is the mu email client?
[04:34] <suaveolentiam> mu4e email client
[04:35] <suaveolentiam> https://github.com/djcb/mu
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !compile | suaveolentiam
[04:36] <suaveolentiam> The prebuilt ones are outdated
[04:37] <malimbar> surprised they don't have an independent repo
[04:37] <suaveolentiam> unfortunately no
[04:38] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to copy the ubuntu iso to a partition and boot from that?
[04:38] <bumblefuzz> ...instead of using an external USB or DVD?
[04:39] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: grub can boot from iso. but that needs a grub installed
[04:39] <medlizerd> hiii there
[04:39] <bumblefuzz> I have refind...
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:39] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: but its most easy to just flash a usb drive quick
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> ...unless you don't have a USB drive
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> how would I have to set up the partition
[04:40] <bumblefuzz> ?
[04:40] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: well, you need something. could use a pxe boot with a pxe server running in the network
[04:41] <malimbar> is it possible to install on a separate computer over a network via iso?
[04:41] <malimbar> I have a powerpc that I want to install ubuntu-mate on, but I keep having troubles with the media to install it from
[04:41] <bumblefuzz> what's the difference between copying to a USB drive and copying to a partition?
[04:42] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: the booting
[04:42] <bumblefuzz> but won't it see both?
[04:42] <k1l_> the copying as such is different to, since you "burn" it onto the usb
[04:42] <bumblefuzz> I didn't realize burn was a technical term
[04:43] <suaveolentiam> Is make affected by spaces in directory names?
[04:43] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: just coping the iso is not enough to make it boot.
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> I have refind as my bootloader
[04:43] <k1l_> suaveolentiam: you need to escape them with a \ in front
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> it recognizes everything
[04:43] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: dont know if that works with iso booting
[04:43] <bumblefuzz> I just don't know how to point to toward the iso
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> ok, well, if I were going to make a partition, how would I set it up?
[04:44] <k1l_> see the link
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> dd if=X of=Y
[04:44] <bumblefuzz> ?
bumblefuzz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[04:45] <k1l_> that is for grub. dont know about refind.
[04:45] <delt> lotuspsychje: software update has completed.
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> delt: please reboot and test network
[04:46] <delt> lotuspsychje: ok
[04:52] <delt> lotuspsychje: nope. all this fixed absolutely nothing.
[04:52] <delt> [pts/0][root@laptop]:~# NetworkManager
[04:52] <delt> (NetworkManager:4449): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[04:52] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[04:52] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> delt: checkout your syslog and dmesg logs to see whats happening
[04:54] <delt> Nov 26 23:52:37 laptop kernel: [ 271.761865] NetworkManager[4450]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f45e3df7f84 sp 00007fff7e24efd0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7f45e3dc8000+111000]
[04:56] <delt> same error in dmesg [ 365.370400] NetworkManager[4965]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f87ae3e5f84 sp 00007fffd5e56370 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7f87ae3b6000+111000]
[05:17] <Redblue> Hello. I'm trying to restore some packages as per these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/APTonCD and I get the error "Error scanning the CD. Could not find a suitable CD."
[05:21] <fontdpi> Hi. How much font DPI i should set for a 22" Full HD Screen?
[05:21] <SeriouslyLaugh> dunno, maybe ask over in #hardware
[05:22] <AfterDarkness> after upgrading to 15.10, can't seem to be able to install skype and wine, anyone know a solution for this?
[05:23] <fontdpi> SeriouslyLaugh: im using Ubuntu, question is relevant me guess
[05:31] <anukul> dummy message
[05:40] <anukul> dummy message
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> anukul: please dont do that
[05:40] <anukul> sorry. i was setting up an IRC client.
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> AfterDarkness: better detail to the channel whats going wrong exactly,errors on install?
[05:43] <Redblue> I created an iso with aptoncd to restore my programs without having to download anything again. I can't use aptoncd to restore the packages due to bugs. Is there any other way?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: wich ubuntu version is this?
[05:44] <Redblue> 14.04.2
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: can you update to latest first please
[05:45] <Redblue> no I cannot
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: why
[05:45] <Redblue> the mate branch haven't released 14.04.3 yet (checked today)
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: not updating is a danger mate, security holes can be exploited like this
[05:46] <Redblue> I can't, see my previous comment lotuspsychje
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Redblue: is this official mate? maybe talk to the #ubuntu-mate guys
[05:47] <Redblue> allright then, I'll be back
[05:53] <Redblue> ok I'm now on 14.04.3 (not Mate) and aptoncd doesn't work here either. What can I do?
[05:55] <anukul> Redblue: doesn't work?
[05:55] <Redblue> no, when I click on "load" nothing happens (but I see errors on terminal)
[05:57] <finetundra> Is there a specific support channel for banshee audio player?
[05:58] <anukul> RedBlue: did you try this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/286996/aptoncd-load-button-does-not-work-even-after-installing-hal
[05:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> Redblue I spotted this link as well: http://askubuntu.com/questions/146498/software-center-gives-me-an-error-scanning-the-cd-could-not-find-a-suitable-cd
[05:59] <Redblue> anukul I read it but didn't try it. They suggest to remove hal and install an old version through a rather convoluted process
[06:00] <SeriouslyLaugh> Redblue are you trying to back up packages or restore packages?
[06:00] <Redblue> SeriouslyLaugh, that was someone who wanted to add a ppa not a cd
[06:00] <anukul> RedBlue I found that this issue has been logged on launchpad bugs thread. install the version given here: https://code.launchpad.net/~aptoncd-team
[06:00] <Redblue> I'm trying to restore the pkgs from an iso I created with aptoncd SeriouslyLaugh
[06:01] <anukul> RedBlue: Then install udisks. sudo apt-get install udisks.
[06:01] <Redblue> anukul, I'll install that version thanks. udisks is already installed
[06:01] <anukul> RedBlue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptoncd/+bug/1175458 This guy seems to have a similar problem, and it was solved using that version..
[06:02] <Redblue> Sorry how do I exactly install the program from that link?
[06:04] <anukul> RedBlue: bzr branch lp:~aptoncd-team/aptoncd/main
[06:05] <anukul> then run using ./aptoncd from the "main" directory, as instructed by laudeci on the launchpad thread
[06:09] <anukul> exit
[06:11] <jmargo> hello!
[06:18] <SlidingHorn> So I'm trying to reproduce & diagnose a crashing situation I'm having, and I just wanted to know: If I'm logged in from another machine using openssh and I do "cat /proc/kmsg" should it remain blank until there's a problem?
[06:19] <arallen> SlidingHorn, sounds right to me.
[06:29] <whitelion> hi there do you knwo where can I find linux drivers for a Radeon R7 240? i need to use gpu but it doesn't work
[06:31] <anukul> whitelion: did you try AMD's website?
[06:31] <whitelion> yes but the drivers i found didn't work
[06:32] <whitelion> i tried there http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
[06:32] <anukul> whitelion: could you please tell me the name of the driver that you installed?
[06:33] <whitelion> the first one here http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu%20x86%2064
[06:34] <VsyachePuz> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/245814/which-package-manages-allow-to-download-binary-packages-through-torrent-protocol?
[06:34] <anukul> VsyachePuz: ?
[06:35] <whitelion> it made my xorg file a mess
[06:35] <anukul> whitelion: crimson? try catalyst
[06:36] <whitelion> can you link it?
[06:36] <VsyachePuz> anukul: that is my question
[06:37] <SeriouslyLaugh> VsyachePuz I would ask over in #linux -- this channel is for Ubuntu specific support
[06:38] <anukul> whitelion: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/ATI-Radeon-Linux-Display-Drivers-6719.shtml
[06:38] <whitelion> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-linux-beta-driver.aspx
[06:38] <whitelion> you mean this one?
[06:38] <anukul> whitelion: although I suggest that you follow this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-proprietary-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx
[06:38] <whitelion> I tried that too, it seems to not be compatible with my kernel
[06:38] <whitelion> I have ubuntu studio
[06:39] <anukul> then why are you installing drivers that aren't meant for your OS? ...
[06:39] <SeriouslyLaugh> !derivatives
[06:40] <anukul> whitelion: okay, i looked up on google, and i guess you should stick to this.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-proprietary-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx
[06:40] <anukul> even for ubuntu studio
[06:40] <anukul> !contribute
[06:41] <SeriouslyLaugh> !ubuntustudio
[06:42] <whitelion> ok ..thanks ;)
[06:47] <whitelion> hey I tried.. it says that "error: Detected X Server version 'XServer 1.17.1_64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later, up to XServer 1.10 (default:v2:x86_64:lib:XServer 1.17.1_64a:none:3.19.0-25-lowlatency:)
[06:47] <whitelion> Installation will not proceed.
[06:47] <whitelion> "
[06:48] <anukul> whitelion: downgrade your XServer?
[06:48] <Redblue> I don't know what happened to my irc client but it took me Ages to reconnect. I'm now installing software Offline B) Thanks anukul
[06:48] <noah> I can't get Spotify for Linux to launch any suggestions
[06:49] <anukul> noah: what's the problem?
[06:50] <hateball> noah: if try running it from a terminal, do you get any type of feedback?
[06:50] <hateball> !paste | noah
[06:50] <amrox253> how can i move my ext4 partition at beginning of the disk? There is no such option in gparted http://i.imgur.com/eA5nquq.png
[06:50] <SlidingHorn> Where might I find crash-related information if I'm logged into the failing machine via ssh other than /proc/kmsg & /var/log/syslog? I'm following instructions from the following page to diagnose and got no indicators from either log: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[06:51] <whitelion> how can I do it? if I downgrade it then can I still use sudo apt-get upgrade? or it will cause compatibility problems with the drivers?
[06:51] <hateball> amrox253: Resize the partition containing /. You cant do it while it is mounted so you need to boot from a live media
[06:52] <anukul> whitelion: i'd say stay on the latest build that is supported by your drivers.
[06:52] <whitelion> so I better stop upgrading?
[06:53] <anukul> stop upgrading xserver
[06:53] <whitelion> ok
[06:53] <whitelion> thanks a lot :)
[06:53] <anukul> :)
[06:55] <BLACKLIVESMATTER> IF YOU IS BLACK ND YU WANNA TALK BOUT RIL PROBLEMS TYPE /join #NIGGERCHANNEL
[07:03] <whitelion> hey do you know how can I downgrade XServer to 1.10?
[07:03] <whitelion> I found a toutorial but it's for arch and it use pacman, I have apt-get
[07:05] <anukul> whitelion: http://askubuntu.com/questions/23987/how-can-i-roll-back-xserver-xorg-core-and-xserver-common
[07:06] <whitelion> thanks
[07:07] <anukul> whitelion: also, take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123983
[07:07] <anukul> whitelion: before downgrading :P
[07:29] <Guest27384> I'm planning build a new pc, just wonder does SupremeFX sound card on Asus mobo work out out box on ubuntu?
[07:46] <ubuntu384> hey! what package is good for text to speech synth on ubuntu
[07:53] <whitelion> hi there...what's the best video card I can buy for blender that has no compatibility problems with ubuntu?
[07:56] <SlidingHorn> Looking to diagnose a crashing issue - any logs other than kmsg, syslog & dmesg I should be watching?
[07:57] <anukul> whitelion: see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[07:58] <m0kc> hello all
[07:59] <m0kc> anyone awake?
[08:00] <nils_> m0kc, zZzZzZzZ
[08:00] <m0kc> right? O.o
[08:01] <nils_> just 5 more minutes!
[08:01] <m0kc> for?
[08:05] <memoryleak> Hi. I've installed 15.10 and I can see that there is no xorg.conf anymore. Where are now screen settings configured?
[08:25] <jiggerypokery> hello
[08:27] <jiggerypokery> 15.04 to 15.10 dist upgrade failed, now sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:27] <jiggerypokery> throws the following errors http://pastebin.com/6ZsJeMGe
[08:28] <jiggerypokery> sudo apt-get -f install = same thing
[08:28] <jiggerypokery> what to do?
[08:36] <SlidingHorn> This is frustrating - Having a random X crash (pretty sure it's X) and not getting any information about it when I'm watching logs via ssh (kmsg, syslog & dmesg) - Any tips for other logs in which to look?
[08:41] * SlidingHorn sighs @ all the netsplits
[09:12] <viktor> hello
[09:13] <s1906> 1
[09:14] <viktor> I think it's because I installed linux-image-4.2.0-generic from the repos yesterday, but my computer freezes and doesn't respond to anything at boot. I will boot to LiveUSB now, then what?
[09:16] <nbusrone> hi , anyone know what's the different formating and partition a new drive on Ubuntu using Gparted vs Windows 7 partition ? I tried with windows 7 full format and partition but it shows I have parted extra partition 3mb on the end of the hard drive.
[09:18] <OerHeks> nbusrone, that is always on every hdd, as the cache memory on the controller needs an adress too. it is not a partial sector or something like that, don't worry.
[09:22] <nbusrone> OerHeks : but formating on ubuntu NTFS is clean without any extra 3mb partition . I wonder what's the different ? tested with 2TB hard disk
[09:23] <viktor> hi
[09:23] <viktor> back from the computer
[09:25] <viktor> I installed linux-image-4.2.0-generic yesterday and I feel I missed installing something because my computer was not responding. I booted to LiveUSB. now what do I install?
[09:26] <viktor> when I chroot, uname -a shows 3.19.0-25-generic though
[09:26] <viktor> is it because I didn't mount /proc and friends?
[09:55] <SlidingHorn> ok...really going to bed this time. One last try for those new in here or who've had the netsplits filling the room:
[09:55] <SlidingHorn> Installed xubuntu 15.10 (stay tuned...) - removed all GUI-related items (xfce, x, lightdm, etc.), then installed X, xdm & openbox. Having random crashes when running high resource stuff (chromium w/ video, regnum, etc.). kmsg, syslog & dmesg don't give any hints, and I can't log into it remotely via SSH after this crash (which makes me think it's not X). Machine is a new HP 15 - Pentium N3540, 2 GB RAM 2GB swap
[10:37] <kostas_> does anyone have experience with thin clients? I have an Intel I3 with 8GB Ram, 128 GB sdd and two Gbit ethernet cards! Can this setup support four thin clients at home? Thin clients will run office softwtare, web browers, video playback 720p and no games, just snes/mame/sega mega drive emulation... no video editing, no resource hungry software! is this a viable solution? any experience on performance?
[11:17] <lcmatt> On Ubuntu 15.10 is there any easier way to install 5.5 rather than having to compile from source?
[11:20] <Kartagis> is it possible to find out from what source (repository or ppa) this particular package came from?
[11:29] <anukul> for joining freenode server, which port should i connect to? i'm trying 6667 and it is failing.
[11:33] <Barxilinsay> How much more privacy do I have when I am using ubuntu vs Chrome OS or Windows?
[11:38] <mcphail> Kartagis: use "apt-cache policy packagename"
[11:39] <Kartagis> mcphail: isn't it weird that I, as a 14.04 user, have a 16.04 package on my system?
[11:40] <mcphail> Kartagis: you must have altered your sources or added a PPA
[11:41] <Kartagis> mcphail: the PPA I added these days was cinnamon's
[11:41] <mcphail> Kartagis: as soon as you add a PPA you lose control of your system
[11:42] <Kartagis> mcphail: I wouldn't have added it if ubuntu had cinnamon in the repos :)
[11:57] <Tam> Hello can someone help me with my wireless connection?
[12:05] <delt> Hello
[12:05] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:06] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:06] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:06] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:15] <ed_1> hi, i need help creating a virtual disc that links to a volume. i dont really understand it but i am trying to boot my old xp partition in ubuntu and it doesnt matter if it gets damaged, its already in the mess you may suspect
[12:16] <Extreminador> ed_1 check this mate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[12:17] <ikonia> ed_1: you should be able to point your virtual manager software at the physical partition
[12:17] <ikonia> that should be enough to boot it, assuming it's not damaged beyond boot
[12:17] <ed_1> ikonia: i cant see option for that in virtualbox
[12:18] <ikonia> it should be there
[12:18] <ikonia> just point it at /dev/sda2 or whatever your partition is
[12:19] <ed_1> i demands a virtual disk file, i read on web that you can add a link to a real disk inside that file
[12:20] <delt> the software updater begins downloading updates and just crashes. funb.
[12:20] <ikonia> ed_1: you could just dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/home/xp.img bs=4m
[12:20] <ikonia> but virtual box can boot a parttion
[12:21] <TJ-> ed_1: do you actually need to *boot* the XP OS, or just access its file-system?
[12:21] <ikonia> a better question
[12:22] <TJ-> ed_1: the reason I ask is Windows core driver profile is tied to the hardware it was originally installed on; if you try to boot it in a VM it could be problematic, or cause more problems in the actualy image (due to registry changes made to reflect the VM hardware profile)
[12:22] <momomo> how do you change gedit hotkeys ?
[12:23] <ed_1> i want to actually boot the partition in virtualbox (in safe mode as graphics and network prob wont work)
[12:23] <TJ-> momomo: by not asking in several channels at the same time!
[12:24] <TJ-> ed_1: you could use Qemu, e.g: "qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1G -boot menu=on -drive format=raw,media=disk,file=/dev/sda2"
[12:24] <ed_1> tj-: that i have read, can i set up vm as close to actual machine as possible? im on toughbook, and the xp part it original
[12:25] <TJ-> ed_1: actually, you'd need "...file=/dev/sda" there so it picks up the partition table
[12:26] <TJ-> ed_1: hypervisors generally only emulate a very limited older sub-set of hardware, usually the most commonly found, so it would be unusual to be able to match a particular motherboard profile exactly
[12:26] <ed_1> going a bit fast for me!
[12:26] <ikonia> it should be enough to boot safe mode though
[12:27] <ikonia> where you can recover the data you want
[12:27] <ikonia> eg: generic vga
[12:27] <obonto> 2 monitors with 2 parallel sessions going on at the same time on the same pc, go
[12:27] <TJ-> obonto: it is called 'multi-seat'
[12:27] <obonto> thx
[12:33] <ed_1> so going back to read documentation
[12:35] <ntz> hello
[12:36] <ntz> I don't have ubuntu here to test it but I need to inspect something on ubu kernel cfg ... can anybody from here with latest/lts ubuntu show me an output from this command (will be a link):
[12:36] <ntz> _paste() { _infile=/dev/stdin; test -z "$1" || _infile="$1"; curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < "$_infile"; }; _paste /boot/config-`uname -r`
[12:41] <Extreminador> when uploading the files using vsftpd how can i made for when i upload the files are readable to evreone ?
[12:41] <Extreminador> on other's access it's placing always with none previlege
[12:41] <ntz> depends how you upload the files
[12:42] <Extreminador> i am uploading using ftp with my account
[12:42] <ntz> if you use a sftp/ftp command you can use chmod/chown from interactive shell
[12:42] <Extreminador> yehh but i want ti to be automatic lool
[12:42] <Extreminador> when i upload using the ftp other's can read
[12:42] <TJ-> ntz: you can get any of the Ubuntu kernel configs directly from the source repo; for Trusty see http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git/tree/debian.master/config
[12:43] <Extreminador> think it must be something on the vsftpd.conf
[12:43] <ntz> TJ-: thanks !!!
[12:46] <ntz> Extreminador: change umask on server
[12:46] <Extreminador> ok will check that ty ntz
[12:48] <KlausedSource> Hello, any of you running Seafile (client)? I want to move my folder but can't without breaking links and / or other stuff related to it. In Dropbox and Owncloud you can do this with a wizard in the menu not in seafile. Any ideas?
[12:49] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:49] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:49] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:49] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:50] <foo357> Hello, how do I change the soft limit of max number of open files? "ulimit -S n" gives '1024' while "ulimit -H n" gives '4096'
[12:51] <ma77spag> hello
[12:52] <ntz> foo357: first read somewhere an essentials to understand, what is hard and what is soft limit ...
[12:53] <ntz> foo357: after that type `man bash' and type following characters without quotes: "/^\s+ulimit" and hit enter
[12:57] <ma77spag> For forum support is this the right channel?
[12:58] <ma77spag> #ubuntuforums said they are not for support but this one is.
[12:58] <delt> Hello
[12:58] <delt> i'm having problems with NetworkManager
[12:58] <delt> (NetworkManager:22047): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.
[12:58] <delt> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.
[12:58] <delt> The overwriting error message was: Key file does not have group 'connectivity'
[12:59] <ma77spag> Well back to reading the forum rules, someone pm me if they think they can help. thanks
[13:00] <delt> [29422.959544] NetworkManager[7586]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fb6a9954f84 sp 00007fffb2b44f40 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.4600.2[7fb6a9925000+111000]
[13:02] <Extreminador> ntz in this particular case the vsftpd has an option for that to unmask
[13:03] <Extreminador> ntz ty for the tip
[13:09] <TJ-> !ask | ma77spag
[13:10] <bmx_> hello friends
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:21] <RNeville> Howdy
[13:24] <ma77spag> Thank you for the advice. Kinda new around here.
[13:25] <ma77spag> I sent a message through the contact us form on the forum. I'll wait until I get a response before I post any more about the issue.
[13:25] * Kartagis shakes fist at those DDoS'ers
[13:32] <mfaroukg> I have some confusion in the network in the routing/firewall/msqrade .i want to configure port forward for IP 10.42.0.108 port 81 to port 8090 in IP 192.168.1.103
[13:32] <mfaroukg> I am trying the iptables it works for the forwarding the laptop but when i use the same with IP cam it doesn't work....sorry i have none advanced knowledge for the networks and linux :(
[13:34] <bluenemo> I experienced a system crash this morning and noted these strange loglines in the syslog at the time of the crash: http://paste.debian.net/337470/ What could cause a log line to be printed with such a far away time stamp in the middle of the logs?
[13:39] <henkz> Hi all, does anyone have an idea why my swap is disabled after each rebot? I have to run gparted an select "swap on" to get it back
[13:39] <bartholomew> What are some dconf-editor settings I can change to increase security/privacy
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !swap | henkz
[13:43] <henkz> the thing is, I have the correct uuid in fstab, and I haven't changed anything since it stoped working
[13:43] <AsuraLie> hi，could any one tell me that why to truncate a file?
[13:49] <EriC^^> henkz: pastebin /etc/fstab and sudo blkid
[13:51] <bartholomew> What are some dconf-editor settings I can change to increase security/privacy
[13:53] <henkz> EriC^^, http://pastebin.com/NfVtfW2J I have a few old disk connected as well which I dont use right now..
[13:56] <EriC^^> henkz: it looks good, when you boot free -m doesn't show the swap?
[13:58] <TheAmorphous> Any Linux network gurus available by chance?
[13:58] <cfhowlett> TheAmorphous, ##networking
[13:58] <TheAmorphous> Danke
[13:58] <cfhowlett> bite
[13:58] <cfhowlett> bitte
[13:59] <henkz> EriC^^, no I don't think it does, gnome system monitor does not show it, and the system runs to a crawl thats how i noticd it
[14:00] <EriC^^> henkz: ok, restart, then try free -m, if it doesn't show swap, try sudo swapon -a
[14:00] <EriC^^> and see if it mentions anything
[14:00] <EriC^^> try sudo swapon -av so it's verbose
[14:00] <mustard> ???
[14:00] <henkz> EriC^^, alright I'll do that later, thanks!
[14:02] <EriC^^> henkz: np
[14:02] <mustard> no people
[14:04] <lmj> Hi, I want to upgrade from 12.04. As I understand things, it is best to follow the upgrade path provided by update-manager, that is, upgrade to 12.10 first, and after that upgrade again, and so forth. Is that about right?
[14:04] <badbodh> EriC^^, don;t you have to mention which /dev/sd* to swapon ? assuming no fstab entry
[14:04] <lmj> The instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 don't match what actually happens -- update-manager is only offering 12.10, not anything higher
[14:05] <EriC^^> badbodh: he has a fstab entry
[14:05] <lmj> So I'm crossing my fingers that after upgrading to 12.10, a new version will be offered by update-manager
[14:07] <ikonia> lmj: it won't
[14:08] <ikonia> lmj: 12.10 is EOL so won't be offered as the repos have been moved
[14:10] <lmj> ikonia: ok thanks, so it would seem update-manager cannot upgrade from 12.04. Thus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 is wrong -- what should it say instead?
[14:10] <ikonia> lmj: what are you trying to upgrade to
[14:11] <TJ-> lmj: ensure 12.04 is fully up-to-date and that "update-manager-core" package is installed
[14:13] <lmj> ikonia: anything past 12.04 that is not EOL really. The main reason I'm upgrading is because the wireless rt3090 driver is screwed in 12.04.
[14:13] <badbodh> came across an instance once where blkid for swap partition was wrong in fstab, and swap didn't turn on
[14:13] <badbodh> check fstab entry with "blkid" output for mismatch?
[14:13] <badbodh> lmj, your upgrade manager will determine and let you know which ubuntu version to upgrade. if you checked "lts only" , you get 14.04, else whatever current version
[14:13] <badbodh> what does it show now ?
[14:13] <TJ-> lmj: check what this reports: "grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[14:14] <TJ-> lmj: it ought to be 'lts' but if it says 'normal' that explains why it's trying 12.10
[14:15] <ikonia> lmj: so 14.04 should be your upgrade path
[14:15] <lmj> TJ-: the grep returns nothing. I don't see where to check "lts only". Is it in update-manager?
[14:16] <TJ-> lmj: that explains part of the problem than. do "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | termbin.com 9999"
[14:16] <TJ-> lmj: sorry, typo there! do "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:17] <lmj> TJ-: that gives me the link http://termbin.com/artp
[14:17] <EriC^^> maybe he doesn't have it installed?
[14:18] <TJ-> lmj: which contains "prompt=normal" - not sure why it is a lowercase 'p' either
[14:18] <EriC^^> maybe he edited it manually
[14:18] <ikonia> is this even an ubuntu install ?
[14:18] <TJ-> lmj: "sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades "
[14:18] <lmj> TJ-: lowercase "prompt" gives me "prompt=normal" for the grep
[14:18] <ikonia> I've seen elementary and mint both screw up these sort of things
[14:19] <lmj> (I realize I could have passed -i, just following instructions exactly.)
[14:19] <ikonia> lmj: is this actually an ubuntu install, ? or is it some derivative, like mint or elemtentary
[14:19] <TJ-> lmj: right, I have a 12.04 example I'm looking at and it uses "Prompt=..."
[14:20] <lmj> ikonia: it's generic ubuntu, not even kubuntu or whatever
[14:20] <ikonia> so a standard default 12.04 ubuntu install
[14:20] <lmj> yes
[14:21] <lmj> it sounds like I just need to find where to check "lts only". Where is it supposed to be?
[14:21] <TJ-> lmj: after the 'sed' operation try "/usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release"
[14:21] <TJ-> lmj: that 'sed' operation just wrote in the correct entry to the file
[14:22] <TJ-> lmj: you should see "New release '14.04.3 LTS' available."
[14:23] <lmj> this returns nothing: sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:23] <lmj> so does this: sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release
[14:24] <lmj> (added the /i just in case)
[14:24] <TJ-> lmj: it is re-writing the file, no output expected
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj: "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" you'll see "Prompt=lts"
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj: and with that alternate command you just did you've potentially corrupted the check-new-release exectuable!
[14:25] <lmj> TJ-: ok re-launching update-manger now offeres 14.04.3! I think you did it!
[14:25] <lmj> thanks a bunch
[14:25] <TJ-> lmj: I know I did it - but what did you do!?!
[14:27] <lmj> TJ-: I don't think I've ever launched update-manager before. I've only stuck with 12.04 and upgraded everything via 'apt-get update' / 'apt-get upgrade'
[14:28] <TJ-> lmj: I meant by your adapting the command I gave you without understanding what it does! This "sudo sed -i 's/prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/i' /usr/lib/update-manager/check-new-release" will try to make changes to 'check-new-release' ! Consider yourself lucky the search phrase doesn't exist in that file, else you'd have broken it
[14:32] <lmj> TJ-: er, well we grepped it before, and I copied the file earlier anyway. The thing I don't understand is the "lts only" checkbox not existing -- is that supposed to be in upgrade-manager?
[14:37] <wizzkidd> im in a little predicament, my headless ubuntu server seems to have hung but is partially accessible. Can anyone help me remotely reboot the server? I can ping the box still, I can no longer ssh to the box, I can start a xrdp session, but it freezes at authentication. I have webmin installed which is accessible, but I cannot get to the "restart" section. Has anyone got any ideas?
[14:37] <Zuly> \join#tls-sec
[14:37] <Zuly> \join #tls-sec
[14:38] <pike-c-code> someone able to tell my why this one creates a memory access violation? http://pastebin.com/RPATKzuS
[14:38] <pike-c-code> its in c
[14:40] <TJ-> pike-c-code: depends on the code-path, but you're not testing for new_elem == NULL before using it
[14:40] <TJ-> pike-c-code: when in doubt run it via a debugger so you can see the stack trace and interactively examine it
[14:40] <c0m0> you need to allocate memory for new element if the list is empty
[14:42] <pike-c-code> now i did this in another function
[14:42] <pike-c-code> this one just gets the new element and the first element
[14:42] <TJ-> pike-c-code: the ##programming channel is more apprpriate for that; this is for Ubuntu support
[14:42] <pike-c-code> yeah i asked there
[14:43] <pike-c-code> they're talking about midlife crisis or sth like this
[14:43] <pike-c-code> idk, but you might be much more helpful :D
[14:43] <pike-c-code> since i need to upload my correct tool within the next 17min
[14:44] <TJ-> you asked here before you asked there... and ##programming, or a C/C++ channel is the appropriate place
[14:44] <pike-c-code> :D
[14:44] <pike-c-code> yeah im in programming, c and ubuntu
[14:45] <TJ-> Good lesson in doing your homework before the deadlone
[14:45] <pike-c-code> XD
[14:45] <pike-c-code> yeah
[14:46] <pike-c-code> its not that important and only the last part of a big homework
[14:46] <pike-c-code> soooo it is no big trouble
[14:46] <daftykins> pike-c-code: take it to relevant channels then please
[15:11] <uxes> hello guys, i need some advice, i have a following issue with any *buntu (even mint), when i create usb bootable stick it works on my notebook with uefi, but when i want to boot from that on my pc that has no uefi, it just writes "Boot error"
[15:12] <TJ-> uxes: sounds like a known bug in syslinx bug 1507002
[15:12] <uxes> am,anybody out there?
[15:12] <uxes> aha, " You must enter a valid bug number! " on webpage
[15:14] <uxes> aha so, its impossible form e to boot latest ubuntu?
[15:14] <uxes> *is it impossible for me to boot latest ubuntu?
[15:15] <TJ-> uxes: I've got the fixed package for testing in a PPA at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/bugfixes
[15:15] <TJ-> uxes: that has the syslinux package for 15.10
[15:17] <uxes> well thanks ill try something
[15:25] <bumblefuzz> so, if I use an external hard drive to dd the ubuntu iso to, how would that be different from using a USB?
[15:26] <Porfa> hello, can anyone enlighten me on a issue i never had before.. ? so, i changed computer, made a new fresh ubuntu 14.04 server install, everything is fine. NOW, i removed the physical HDD from the old box, putted it in the NEW one as a secundary drive, still not attemped to mount it or anything, but now i need to mount it, copy it’s data to the new drive and get it over with.. how can i mount another /root of another drive, in /OLDROOT for
[15:26] <Porfa> instance?
[15:27] <Porfa> should i just put it on the old box and copy over LAN? :/
[15:27] <Porfa> i see it in blkid
[15:27] <Porfa> but i can’t mount it.
[15:28] <daftykins> Porfa: are you typing from it now?
[15:28] <daftykins> Porfa: run "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:30] <Porfa> daftykins: http://termbin.com/na36
[15:30] <daftykins> ugh LVM
[15:31] <AnakinSky> hi, when I'm trying to connect to freenode IRC, i have to run irssi as sudo. otherwise it's not connecting. what am I doing wrong?
[15:31] <Porfa> it’s a brand new box, i can format it and do it all over again if LVM is such issue (sorry, i have no good knowledge of linux, i just like to have my own local physical server for development)
[15:31] <mekhami> teward: you around?
[15:31] <daftykins> Porfa: nah it's fine, i just don't have any first hand experience with LVM setups
[15:32] <daftykins> Porfa: all you need to do is "sudo mount -t ext4 <something> /mnt" but as it's LVM i don't know what that <something> is :D
[15:32] <daftykins> Porfa: i suspect it's what you saw from blkid though perhaps
[15:32] <Porfa> maybe blkid will tell me?
[15:32] <Porfa> yeah ok
[15:32] <Porfa> i’ll try that :)
[15:33] <daftykins> maybe i'll make LVM a personal lesson this holiday
[15:35] <jpds> daftykins: wut, what have you been using for the last few years?
[15:35] <teward> mekhami: for a short while, but pinging individual persons is usually bad form if you have a question (Just ask the channel instead)
[15:35] <Li> I'm having long wasted time on trying to mount ntfs (rw) file on ubuntu claiming it was not safely bla bla .. I found some answers about using ntfsfix but didn't really work out for me .. are there any other suggestion?
[15:35] <Porfa> daftykins: worked perfectly, thank you for that “-t ext4 “ i had it before, but without that, didn’t wotk i thought it would detect the FS automaticly! im browsing the file system as we speak thanks again! :)
[15:35] <daftykins> Porfa: np :)
[15:35] <teward> Li: boot to a Windows install disk, run chkdisk or chkdsk
[15:35] <zykotick9> AnakinSky: are your irssi saving in your user's account, or roots? if you run "less ~/.irssi/config" do you see freenode under the servers heading with your password etc?
[15:36] <daftykins> Li: can you tell us whether it's a storage only volume, or from a working or broken Windows installation?
[15:36] <Li> suggestions that not including booting up windows8 and shut it down properly.
[15:36] <daftykins> why not boot? is it broken?
[15:36] <Li> daftykins: I like the feeling that I can do anything from linux without having to reboot
[15:36] <Li> maybe I"m wrong but I believe so
[15:37] <Li> besides it's on the different hdd
[15:37] <daftykins> so it's just stubbornness?
[15:37] <daftykins> there's a very good reason why it's refusing to mount it as-is
[15:37] <Li> so i will have to replace hdds which is annoying process
[15:38] <daftykins> replace? for what reason?
[15:38] <Li> daftykins: aside from the fact that I'm really stubborn, but that is not the reason ... I just don't wanna close all open stuff on my pc
[15:38] <Li> daftykins: the partition on a different hdd
[15:39] <daftykins> sorry i don't follow you there at all
[15:39] <Li> daftykins: the partition belongs to a brand new installed window 8.1
[15:39] <daftykins> when you want to mount the OS partition of a Windows install as rw from Linux, and that Windows is v8 or v10 with hybrid shutdown, you should issue "shutdown -s -t 1" before booting into the Linux :)
[15:39] <daftykins> that doesn't help you now, but it will for future reference
[15:40] <Li> daftykins: I knew that after the fact :(
[15:40] <Li> but let's face it now .. why linux isn't able to mout it? I don't mind losing the hiberfil.sys
[15:41] <Li> I didn't have anything on that partition
[15:41] <daftykins> well, show us the mount commands you've been trying so far and their error output
[15:41] <TJ-> Li: Windows didn't finalise the file-system so it's in an indeterminate state, until Windows has flushed cache stored in the hibernation file and played out the journal log
[15:41] <daftykins> why do you even need to do it if it's a clean install o0
[15:42] <Li> daftykins: i wanted to use that hdd as temp storage
[15:42] <OerHeks> win8.1 .. sounds like exfat to me, that would not mount automaticly, use fuse for that > sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[15:42] <daftykins> Li: then the answer is to close those programs and do it properly :)
[15:43] <daftykins> OerHeks: not if it's the win8 install partition
[15:44] <Li> daftykins: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/sdc1 /media/xxx/
[15:44] <Li> Failed to mount '/dev/sdc1': Operation not permitted
[15:45] <daftykins> yeah, sorry i don't really like to enable stubborn approaches
[15:46] <Li> I really don't like the fact that linux can't fix this !!!!
[15:46] <Li> many people suggested sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdxx and I tried but it didn't really work
[15:46] <daftykins> it can, it just isn't wise to do it
[15:46] <daftykins> TJ-: told you why it can't :)
[15:47] <Li> daftykins: WTF is stubborn approaches?
[15:47] <daftykins> you refusing to just reboot and sort it out properly
[15:47] <TJ-> Li: fine... so go hack some code together to add the functionality - that's the freedom of open source. In the process you'll learn its so difficult an issue its best left to Windows
[15:47] <Li> I don't need to explain myself to you, so if you don't want to help just relax and back off
[15:47] <daftykins> the time you wasted on this you could've reopened those programs already :)
[15:48] <daftykins> i think you might want to calm down there.
[15:48] <Li> TJ-: nice suggest ... I will give it a try propably
[15:49] <Li> daftykins: whatever
[15:58] <rosanna> hello
[15:58] <rosanna> exit
[15:59] <AlexPortable> rosanna: exit?
[15:59] <daftykins> a failed "/quit"
[15:59] <AlexPortable> how do I install openbox on a bare install?
[15:59] <AlexPortable> like to get a DE
[15:59] <daftykins> find the package if it's in the repos.
[15:59] <AlexPortable> i installed openbox
[15:59] <AlexPortable> but at boot i still get the cli
[16:00] <daftykins> well you need a greeter and to set it auto start, if you installed mini/server
[16:01] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: does "startx" start openbox right now? PS technically openbox is a WM, not a DE.
[16:01] <daftykins> you can't use startx i don't think.
[16:01] <daftykins> often it errors, then folks use sudo and trash the permissions on their /home
[16:01] <AlexPortable> startx worked
[16:02] <daftykins> check what greeter it is
[16:02] <AlexPortable> but how do I install stuf now?
[16:03] <AlexPortable> i dont have a terminal in openbox
[16:03] <daftykins> look it up
[16:04] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: see if xterm can be manually run (i'd be surprised if you have Xorg installed without it, but it's possible)
[16:05] <AlexPortable> well i have a gui
[16:05] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[16:06] <AlexPortable> "Right-click and you will get a small menu. Select terminal emulator, and from that you can start any other program."
[16:06] <daftykins> so menu.xml needs to be checked for which terminal the context menu is trying to run, if you've tried that
[16:06] <AlexPortable> unable to start child process x-terminal-emulator
[16:06] <daftykins> right so you need to install that...
[16:10] <AlexPortable> how?
[16:10] <AlexPortable> E: Package x-terminal-emulator has no installation candidate
[16:11] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: x-terminal-emulator is the alternatives system, just install any xorg terminal emulator (from the repo) and it _should_ start working. xterm, rxvt, etc...
[16:11] <trisquel> <3 rxvt
[16:12] <trisquel> nicest term i know
[16:12] <zykotick9> trisquel: well rxvt-unicode-256color <3 ;)
[16:13] <zykotick9> AlexPortable: fyi, while like trisquel i use rxvt, you _might_ not want to try it... other terms are a lot easier to setup... YMMV
[16:15] <AlexPortable> thx
[16:16] <sudo3> hello, i have dnsmasq where i addedd zone mypage.com, it works well but when i go to secure.mypage.com then dnsmasq is resolving via google dns, i even addedd zone secure.mypage.com but it still resolves via google dns, do anyone know how to fix it?
[16:19] <daftykins> sudo3: either hardcode all subdomains you're likely to use, or work out how to use a wildcard i guess
[16:20] <teward> ^ that
[16:22] <newke> i have xubuntu 15.10 installed and every time i turn on computer, i hear a noise from pulse audio. its like i would power on old lamp amplifier. its so annyoing. where can i find information how to fix it?
[16:22] <newke> i believe its pulseaudio...
[16:25] <zykotick9> trisquel: may i PM you?
[16:26] <trisquel> zykotick9, sure
[16:26] <jake__> hey all
[16:32] <jophish> For some reason ubuntu is not booting to the display manager any more and I've run out of things to try
[16:33] <ikonia> what does the X server logs say
[16:33] <ikonia> is it trying to even start it ?
[16:33] <jophish> I've reinstalled lightdm and gdm, reinstalled nouveau and the nvidia drivers too
[16:34] <jophish> ikonia: sorry, one second just starting tmux so I can paste the log
[16:35] <jophish> https://gist.github.com/5b6823c12a5cd147151b
[16:35] <jophish> ikonia: ^
[16:35] <ikonia> I didn't ask for the log
[16:35] <ikonia> I asked was it even trying to start it ? what did the log say was wron g?
[16:36] <AbuDhar> guys
[16:36] <AbuDhar> I am so exciting about the Ubuntu phone
[16:36] <AbuDhar> what is their channel?
[16:36] <SchrodingersScat> !phone
[16:37] <AbuDhar> thanks
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> !botsnack
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> aw
[16:42] <taza79> Hello, how can I install Ubuntu without touching the Windows boatloader and MBR?
[16:44] <taza79> I want that when I desinstall Ubuntu I will get Winows like it Ubuntu was never installed and I don't want to restore by myself the Windows boatloader.
[16:45] <taza79> join #xubuntu
[16:45] <ikonia> taza79: your best bet is to do a standard ubuntu install
[16:46] <ikonia> let it install grub onto the MBR - use that to manage windows/ubuntu, if you want to remove ubuntu, delete the ubuntu partition and use the windows recovery shell to put the windows boot loader back on the disk
[16:46] <ikonia> it's clean and easy
[16:47] <taza79> ikonia: thanks but it's not what is asked... is there any other solution? like maybe to install grub in another partition or something
[16:48] <ikonia> you can put grub onto another partition sure
[16:48] <ikonia> but then how do you tell your motherboard to boot that partition, not the mbr
[16:48] <ikonia> hence why I'm advising you the easiest option for you
[16:52] <macsurf> hello
[16:52] <macsurf> is there any program instead of tcpdump for regular user ? because tcpdump required super user privilagers ?
[16:53] <daftykins> macsurf: a user cannot perform that action.
[16:54] <macsurf> daftykins: yes but user can open all ports above 1024
[16:54] <macsurf> only ports below 1024 are reserved for super user
[16:55] <SchrodingersScat> macsurf: I don't think that's the same as being able to monitor traffic. Best solution I've found is to give access via sudoers, but that's like my opinion.
[16:55] <daftykins> yes but packet packet interception has nothing to do with port ranges
[16:55] <daftykins> -packet
[16:56] <macsurf> I thought that any software can open all ports above 1024 if is open by regular user
[16:56] <macsurf> I am sorry for my english
[16:57] <macsurf> so if I will write program for regular user and this software will reserve port above 1024 then should be everythink ok with privilages
[16:57] <daftykins> packet capture is not binding to ports
[16:57] <AlexPortable> Which tweaks are there for ssds?
[16:58] <daftykins> AlexPortable: you really ought to at least *try* to look things up before you come here.
[16:58] <dbugger> Hey guys
[16:59] <dbugger> I was wondering. Is there any "hard" benefit of upgrading from 14.04 to 15.10
[16:59] <dbugger> ?
[16:59] <daftykins> desktop system? nope just wasted time imo
[16:59] <daftykins> depends how new your system is
[17:00] <zykotick9> dbugger: warning, the upgrade would actually be 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10... might be a lot faster/easier to wait for 16.04 so you can just do 14.04 -> 16.04
[17:03] <finetundra> Hey folks, how would I add skins to amarok that I download from something liek KDE look?
[17:04] <daftykins> don't they provide a guide?
[17:04] <finetundra> daftykins: who?
[17:04] <daftykins> amarok, or the site you got it from... or the file you downloaded...
[17:05] <finetundra> daftykins: no instructions on the download page, I'll go look at the amarok site
[17:08] <steven> does anyone know an app that allows me to kill another application if it used to much resources?
[17:08] <jophish> hmm, now it just hangs on the splash screen
[17:09] <tilpner> How can I lie to dpkg about the presence of a package? Alternatively: Why do 32-bit nouveau drivers take precedence over nvidia-current?
[17:09] <Guest16081> ah, raise network interfaces
[17:09] <jophish__> failed to start wait for all auto
[17:10] <jophish__> today has been a nightmare, why is everything broken :(
[17:10] <daftykins> tilpner: nvidia-current hasn't been relevant for ages, just nvidia-### is best, for the specific version. Why do you say 32-bit? is the host 32-bit?
[17:10] <daftykins> jophish__: do you have a support question that can be phrase as such? :)
[17:10] <daftykins> *phrased
[17:10] <jophish__> daftykins: I rebooted my computer, and x won't start
[17:11] <daftykins> what changed, did you just update? or upgrade?
[17:11] <jophish__> every so often when I reboot it trying to debug a fix, I have to wait 5 minutes because of some network thing
[17:11] <jophish__> daftykins: probably, the computer had been turned on for weeks
[17:11] <finexbeer> hi
[17:11] <jophish__> but it crashed, so I did REISUB and now I have this mess
[17:11] <tilpner> daftykins - You're right, it's actually nvidia-352. It's a 64 bit host, but I need to run 32 bit software (LPL suite with custom 32 bit java).
[17:12] <jophish__> oh gosh, now the cli isn't even working
[17:12] <daftykins> jophish__: try booting with "quiet splash" removed from the boot parameters
[17:12] <jophish__> text flashing everywhere
[17:12] <finexbeer> what is the diffrent from ubuntu and ubuntu studio
[17:12] <daftykins> tilpner: you can't install 32-bit drivers then o0
[17:12] <finexbeer> ??
[17:12] <daftykins> !studio
[17:13] <tilpner> daftykins - I can actually, and it works until I reboot. That's not a good solution though.
[17:13] <troulouliou_div2> hi can i still install / upgrade a 8.04 ubuntu if i install this old version
[17:13] <AlexPortable> daftykins: I did, but most information seems outdated
[17:14] <finexbeer> thants
[17:14] <daftykins> tilpner: maybe you put them on but it's using the 64-bit module anyway; what are you using to verify the driver in use? what graphics hardware is this for?
[17:14] <daftykins> troulouliou_div2: we very, very strongly advise not using EOL releases, but if you need it for some kind of ancient work/dev purposes, then the repos can be renamed to old-releases.ubuntu.com to function still
[17:14] <troulouliou_div2> daftykins, ok thanks
[17:15] <daftykins> !eol | troulouliou_div2 i think these links will be of use too
[17:15] <troulouliou_div2> daftykins, jsut nned to compil a program for an applicance ruinning on that version
[17:15] <jophish__> daftykins: xorg.0.log shows that it's not loading the nvidia driver correctly, in syslog it's showing the nvidia driver tainting the kernel
[17:15] <daftykins> troulouliou_div2: ok :) someone that can't upgrade?
[17:16] <daftykins> jophish__: which nvidia hardware is in there? is it one that won't work with nouveau?
[17:16] <tilpner> daftykins - I don't know how to verify that, but if they're installed it doesn't reach the login screen, while I can login after uninstalling them.
[17:16] <jophish__> daftykins: I don't know, 435m I think it works with nouveau
[17:16] <daftykins> tilpner: can you share an "lspci" ? sounds like hybrid graphics
[17:16] <tilpner> daftykins - Yes, it is hybrid graphics, and everythings working fine for 64 bit software.
[17:17] <daftykins> jophish__: ok so you're in the same boat, hybrid graphics yeah? i would boot to the recovery option, root console, remount the disk as read+write, purge nvidia* then reinstall nvidia-352 and nvidia-prime
[17:17] <tilpner> daftykins - The package I need to install requires libglu1-mesa:i386, which indirectly depends on 32 bit nouveau drivers.
[17:17] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm fairly sure I've tried that (not from recovery mode though)
[17:17] <jophish__> I'll try again
[17:17] <daftykins> i'm no dev but i don't see that working on a 64-bit host
[17:18] <daftykins> jophish__: well, try booting with nvidia* fully purged to start with :)
[17:18] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get purge nvidia* "
[17:18] <jophish__> yup, booting now
[17:18] <jophish__> ah, "the system is running in low graphics mode"
[17:18] <tilpner> daftykins - Therefore, my options are either modifying the package definition, or faking their presence. At least... it's the first thing that comes to my mind, I'll have to see how it works out.
[17:19] <jophish__> hmm, Xorg.0.log still tries to load the nvidia driver
[17:19] <daftykins> jophish__: check the timestamp on the log to be sure that's actually a current one
[17:20] <davidsha> Quick Question, does the current version of pciutils support libkmod?
[17:20] <zykotick9> jophish__: verify if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... if so, you might want to try moving it to xorg.conf.backup
[17:21] <daftykins> davidsha: define 'current', multiple versions of ubuntu are still in support right now :)
[17:21] <jophish__> good thinking daftykins, it was from 8 minutes ago
[17:21] <jophish__> zykotick9: blimey, I don't have one
[17:21] <zykotick9> jophish__: good!
[17:21] <jophish__> I have a stack of backups
[17:22] <jophish__> zykotick9: is it ok not to have one?
[17:22] <daftykins> you don't need one
[17:22] <jophish__> oh, good
[17:22] <daftykins> jophish__: can you get a working terminal or TTY right now?
[17:22] <davidsha_> daftykins: the one for Ubuntu 14.04, pciutils 3.1.9 I believe.
[17:22] <jophish__> daftykins: yeah, that's fine now
[17:22] <zykotick9> jophish__: for none propritary drivers it's almost never needed these days.
[17:23] <daftykins> jophish__: run "sudo apt-get -f install" to be sure nothing's waiting, "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link
[17:23] <jophish__> on tty7 I have the message: "nouveau E[PBUS][...] MMIO write of 0x.. FAULT
[17:23] <davidsha_> daftykins: I've read the fedora version supports it but I haven't seen anything about Ubuntu supporting it.
[17:24] <daftykins> jophish__: mmm sounds like nouveau is in use but doesn't support the hardware too well; as well as the above can you share "cat /etc/issue" ?
[17:24] <daftykins> davidsha_: that one's beyond me i'm afraid, just thought i'd clarify version :)
[17:24] <daftykins> !info pciutils trusty
[17:24] <tilpner> zykotick9 - Without any tweaking, the performance difference between nouveau and nvidia was 7:20 for me, and then there's CUDA...
[17:25] <tilpner> *ratio
[17:25] <disposable> i've just installed 14.04 in virtualbox with EFI enabled. now i'm stuck at grub prompt with no menu. i created sda1 EFIboot partition (256MB, bootable) and sda2 for root filesystem. when i boot off rescue disk, i can see uuid of /dev/sda1 in fstab as /boot/efi and grub-efi-amd64 is installed (i've even done grub-install /dev/sda). have i missed something important?
[17:25] <tilpner> (Though my benchmarking method probably was severely flawed)
[17:25] <jophish__> daftykins: http://termbin.com/9s5g for /etc/issue
[17:25] <davidsha_> daftykins: Last question! Have I tagged this bug right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pciutils/+bug/1516095
[17:25] <finexbeer_> what is better ubunt or the oders ubuntu (studio, mate....)?
[17:26] <jophish__> there was no output for dpkg -l | grep nvidia, davidsha_
[17:26] <jophish__> daftykins: *
[17:27] <daftykins> davidsha_: no experience with bug reporting i'm afraid, i think there might be a launchpad channel though
[17:27] <disposable> finexbeer_: teh difference is only in the packages that get installed by default. e.g. studio will come with lots of content creation software installed by default.
[17:27] <daftykins> jophish__: ah ok, 15.10 - i've not seen anyone i've tried to help get 15.10 working with hybrid nvidia yet :(
[17:27] <jophish__> oh :/
[17:27] <jophish__> I've been running 15.10 for a while
[17:27] <suprkain> new to ubuntu, what irc client should I use?
[17:27] <zykotick9> jophish__: could you check nouveau is NOT listed when you run "grep ^blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf"
[17:28] <davidsha_> daftykins: Ok, thanks I'll have a look for it!
[17:28] <daftykins> suprkain: whatever one you like, hexchat for GUI... irssi for terminal perhaps
[17:28] <suprkain> daftykins: thanks
[17:28] <jophish__> zykotick9: nouveau isn't listed
[17:28] <zykotick9> jophish__: ok, that's good.
[17:28] <daftykins> jophish__: and the other command?
[17:29] <jophish__> daftykins: /etc/issue?
[17:29] <jophish__> oh, dpkg -l | grep nvidia. there was no output
[17:29] <daftykins> cool
[17:30] <daftykins> jophish__: check you're all current with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[17:30] <jophish__> daftykins: will do
[17:30] <daftykins> jophish__: oh and a share of an "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" wouldn't hurt
[17:30] <tilpner> Are you trying to use nouveau or the proprietary driver?
[17:31] <jophish__> tilpner: either!
[17:31] <jophish__> ideally nvidia though
[17:31] <jophish__> daftykins: lspci: http://termbin.com/lrjq
[17:31] <tilpner> jophish__ - I reinstalled Ubuntu twice today, and it's working with NVidia/Intel proprietary drivers now, mostly.
[17:31] <jophish__> daftykins: nothing new to install with dist-upgrade
[17:32] <daftykins> hmm ok GT 750M
[17:32] <tilpner> jophish__ - That means, this stupid 32 bit software won't work, but I've got CUDA working.
[17:32] <jophish__> apt whines about linux 4.2.0-16 no longer being required
[17:32] <daftykins> jophish__: and your "uname -r" ? single line so you can paste it here direct
[17:32] <jophish__> 4.2.0-18-generic
[17:33] <daftykins> jophish__: "sudo apt-get clean" then "sudo apt install nvidia-352 nvidia-prime"
[17:33] <daftykins> unless you know you've done that before, that's what *should* work
[17:33] <jophish__> tilpner: worst case scenario I'll look into 15.04 again. there's some unity behavior in 15.10 which I don't like and can't configure :/
[17:34] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm fairly sure this won't work :)
[17:34] <jophish__> I'll try again just to be totally sure
[17:34] <tilpner> jophish__ - I don't see why it wouldn't work with 15.10, if it can work with 15.04. :/
[17:34] <zykotick9> daftykins: <sidenote> with the "apt" command dist-upgrade isn't even in my man page? full-upgrade certainly is! also, i'm not 100% sure, but i believe "apt upgrade" _will_ install new packages, like the old "apt-get dist-upgrade" (it just won't remove!).
[17:34] <daftykins> well 15.10 has brought about a lot of surprises for sure
[17:35] <tilpner> I wouldn't know, didn't use Ubuntu in a long time. :c
[17:35] <daftykins> zykotick9: i keep using it because i'm a terrible person, but it's apt full-upgrade now i believe
[17:35] <zykotick9> daftykins: hehe
[17:35] <daftykins> still getting used to stopping myself from typing apt-get from muscle memory; )
[17:36] <jophish__> rebooting now
[17:36] <daftykins> jophish__: did you watch the output to see if the module was built correctly for the running kernel? :>
[17:37] <jophish__> daftykins: yeah, I didn't see any errors
[17:37] <zykotick9> daftykins: i like the colours... other than that "pretty much the same" ;)
[17:37] <daftykins> zykotick9: but the progress bar!
[17:37] <nasanzero_> hi all .whay is a good app to monitor network usage ?
[17:37] <daftykins> jophish__: ok, if it fails i'd check the X.org log again but its' timestamp first
[17:38] <jophish__> is the file creation time reliable for that?
[17:38] <jophish__> daftykins: back to "low graphics mode"
[17:38] <daftykins> what make and model is this thing?
[17:38] <tilpner> jophish__ - Did you install nvidia-modprobe?
[17:38] <jophish__> but this time the mouse works :)
[17:38] <daftykins> please don't say mac... please don't say mac...
[17:39] <jophish__> daftykins: dell xps something
[17:39] <jophish__> tilpner: no
[17:39] <jophish__> unless it was a dependency of nvidia-prime or nvidia-352
[17:39] <tilpner> jophish__ - Well, it didn't work for me without that.
[17:39] <daftykins> tilpner: deps handle all that is required
[17:39] <daftykins> unless there's a packaging bug in Wily
[17:39] <tilpner> All I know is, that I had to manually install that.
[17:40] <EriC^^> daftykins: :D
[17:40] <EriC^^> mac...aroni and cheese
[17:40] <daftykins> :D
[17:41] <jophish__> tilpner: modprobe made no difference
[17:41] <TJ-> tilpner: that's a CUDA BOINC speicific dependency; nothing to do with regular desktop nvidia driver requirements
[17:41] <jophish__> daftykins: no new xorg log was created
[17:41] <jophish__> I'll startx manually
[17:41] <daftykins> just don't use sudo or you'll trash your home permissions
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> MacBeth
[17:43] <tilpner> TJ- - Okay, then I must've confused that. I was trying to get both to work... Sorry, jophish__.
[17:43] <jophish__> tilpner: no worries
[17:43] <jophish__> I've got to go now :(
[17:43] <jophish__> thanks for the help daftykins, tilpner, zykotick9
[17:44] <TJ-> jophish__: if you're using 15.10, use the systemd logging tool "journalctl -u lightdm.service"
[18:11] <gagalicious> i did select boot recovery option from my ubuntu but it still hangs at "Creating Disk Array..." (repeating this line multiple times... not sure when it will end) how do i jump into interactive mode and disable its creating disk array part? i did CTRL+C, doesnt work at the "creating disk array" part
[18:11] <gagalicious> any remedies?
[18:11] <daftykins> do you run some form of RAID?
[18:14] <gagalicious> yes but i removed the drives for the raaid
[18:15] <gagalicious> actually coz my previous computer doesnt work and when i put the drives to my new computer, it doesnt work ... "creating disk array"...
[18:15] <daftykins> gagalicious: are fstab entries still present perhaps? or mdadm config still expecting them?
[18:15] <daftykins> hang on - so it's not just a broken boot, you've moved some RAID disks into another system?
[18:16] <daftykins> might be worth telling this story from the beginning in a http://paste.ubuntu.com :)
[18:17] <Extreminador> is it possible to make an iso of the system has it is atm (with all the software), ti install it later and be ann configured and with the siftware (if needed) or that is not very usual to do ?
[18:19] <Tashtari> Extreminador: I can't claim a great deal of experience with it, but there's a program called mondoarchive that I believe does what you're looking for.
[18:20] <Extreminador> humm Tashtari thanks
[18:21] <daftykins> Extreminador: one of the guys is always talking about !aptoncd too, not sure if it applies or helps
[18:22] <Extreminador> worth checking always thanks daftykins
[18:23] <TJ-> gagalicious: sounds like the initial ramdisk config still has mdadm.conf in there
[18:24] <asd__> Hi guys anybody from US? I would like to know if this is a working day for you guys or not? Since yesterday was thanksgiving and all that...
[18:24] <trisquel> mdadm? sounds like a drug
[18:25] <Tashtari> asd__: It depends on your employer. Anyone in retail you can expect will be working today, but I suspect most others have it off.
[18:26] <asd__> Tashtari, Thanks.
[18:27] <Tashtari> If you didn't already know, the day after Thanksgiving (which always falls on a Thursday) is called Black Friday, which marks the start of the christmas shopping season and is marked by sales all over the place - which is why retail employees will certainly be working today.
[18:28] <daftykins> asd__: use a chat channel in future please
[18:29] <Guest40612> hi
[18:30] <Guest40612> hi
[18:30] <Guest40612> fff
[18:44] <TheAmorphous> Can anyone tell me why all of a sudden I'm seeing transfer rates to/from my Ubuntu box at 1/10th what they normally are? Inter-LAN transfers, internet downloads, even RAID to SSD on the same Ubuntu box, it's all super slow suddenly.
[18:44] <littlebear> asd__: nope, but since all emergency IT still work
[18:44] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: do you see any packet loss?
[18:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: I recall that SSD can't sustain RW at 500MBPS
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Normally I get around 100MBps from the array on this box. Now I'm getting exactly 11.1MBps.
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Internet downloads on 100Mb connection are usually 9-10MBps. They're exactly 1.1MBps now.
[18:46] <TheAmorphous> Hardware seems to be fine. No SMART errors on anything. Put an old SSD with a new installation of Ubuntu in (without the array) and everything transfers fine. So it's not the NIC or the switch.
[18:52] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: watch 'wa' in 'top' and try older kernels
[18:52] <TheAmorphous> What's 'wa'? top looks completely normal...
[18:54] <AnimalFarmPig> Anyone using Zentyl/eBox with a 14.04 server install? How do you like it?
[18:54] <daftykins> IO wait
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Showing 0.0%
[18:54] <daftykins> during a transfer?
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Yes, I just started a LAN transfer
[18:54] <AnimalFarmPig> I tried a Turnkey Zentyal appliance a while back, and it looked a bit more "full featured" than I needed, but looks like the default Ubuntu install is fairly conservative
[18:54] <TheAmorphous> Still 0.0%
[18:55] <daftykins> ok so then try older kernels
[18:55] <TheAmorphous> Will do, thanks
[18:55] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: is it 15.10 btw?
[18:56] <Safa_[A_boy]> Hello. I'm trying to mount a multisession CD using "sudo mount /dev/sr1 diskTest/ -o session=0", but it gives me "mount: /dev/sr1: can't read superblock" after saying it's write-protected
[18:58] <TheAmorphous> I'm running 13.something LTS
[19:00] <ubuntu505> Hello all
[19:00] <ubuntu505> anyone here is or is this channel dead like #ubuntu-gnome?
[19:01] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:01] <guest10121> Does anyone know if there is an app that will change the splash screens?
[19:02] <ubuntu505> guest10121: I think these channels are worthless, no body answers or you must have to say some secret phrase to get anyone to give a $hit.
[19:03] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:03] <daftykins> ubuntu505: you waited 2 minutes before giving attitude and repeating, now i will not reply at all.
[19:04] <TheAmorphous> daftykins: Loading 3.2.0-91-generic didn't make any difference. Was running -95.
[19:04] <ubuntu505> Nobody even said hello or anything, not a friendly place, your response is lacking surprise.
[19:04] <UnwantedAngel> hello
[19:04] <UnwantedAngel> god said be good
[19:04] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: no more to choose from? so 12.04, pretty ancient
[19:05] <ubuntu505> whatever I have to do to get an answer I will do, if it means keep asking the question until someone arrives with an answer or help so be it.
[19:05] <TheAmorphous> Ahh yeah, 12.04 apparently. I can go back as far as -88 it looks like.
[19:05] <daftykins> !repeat | ubuntu505 no, follow the rules
[19:06] <ubuntu505> I did search those places and was unable to find a clear answer
[19:06] <TheAmorphous> I've been scared of upgrading because I have a RAID5 array built using mdadm that took me forever to get working properly. I'm terrified of losing it.
[19:06] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: it's a shame you may not be sure of how it was when it worked, as you could've maybe made some comparisons
[19:06] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: right but you wisely use a dedicated disk for the OS, so the RAID is pure storage yeah?
[19:06] <Guest13011> freenode
[19:06] <ubuntu505> I said Hello at first, do the rules also specify that nbody should response so I don't even know if my network works too?
[19:07] <TheAmorphous> Yes, OS is running on an SSD. Array is 4 HDDs.
[19:07] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:07] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: cool, so you could boot 14.04 desktop live media, install mdadm - see your array mounts fine, then consider installing the server version of that
[19:07] <OerHeks> oh dear, i am glad i do not run ubuntu-gnome but unity
[19:08] <TheAmorphous> No chance of mdadm overwriting superblocks or messing up the array in any other way?
[19:08] <daftykins> OerHeks: :D agreed
[19:08] <ubuntu505> unity is insecure with all its lense crapola I hear
[19:08] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: i don't see why it would write anything without being instructed to do so
[19:08] <TheAmorphous> So I'd just tell mdadm to rebuild the array under a new installation and it gets all the data it needs from those 4 HDDs?
[19:08] <daftykins> TheAmorphous: fwiw i also manage RAID setups under server and use the above approach for version migration happily
[19:09] <daftykins> you don't need to rebuild at all, the RAID volume is perfectly happy as it is - you just install mdadm tools within the new install, the volume becomes visible, you add it to /etc/fstab and job done
[19:09] <daftykins> but then all of this is assuming 14.04 even performs any different for you from a live session :)
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Okay, I'll definitely keep that in mind if I can't figure out what's going on with this installation. Thanks.
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> .clear
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Well, I installed whatever the newest version is (15.10?) on an old SSD
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> And I was getting good transfers to and from it
[19:10] <daftykins> yeah, don't run non-LTS though
[19:10] <TheAmorphous> Yeah I just grabbed the first thing I found to test on another SSD
[19:11] <daftykins> *nod* :)
[19:11] <TheAmorphous> This is by far the strangest problem I've run into since I started dabbling in Linux a few years ago
[19:12] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:12] <MoPac> Hello. I've been wondering for a while what is going on with the unity dash search when I pull it up and start typing. There doesn't seem to be any consistent behavior, especially from the "home" tab. Sometimes it is near-instant and sometimes crawls. Sometimes it's finding both apps and files (desired), sometimes only one.
[19:12] <MoPac> And often, I can start (or even finish) typing the name of something (especially an app), and it won't be found -- indefinitely. But if I backspace a character or two, suddenly it may show up -- even though all the characters were a perfect match. Is this kind of behavior common?
[19:14] <TheAmorphous> daftykins: Would it matter if the new install is Debian and not Ubuntu? mdadm shouldn't care, right?
[19:14] <daftykins> no, but don't feel you'll have any easier of a life over there.
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> Not easier, but I want to be exposed to more flavors
[19:15] <daftykins> what do you mean?
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> And not quite ready to delve into some of the more difficult ones
[19:15] <daftykins> you know ubuntu is debian based so you'd essentially be changing the label and nothing else right? :)
[19:15] <TheAmorphous> Yup
[19:16] <daftykins> if you enjoy debugging that system then go for it, but i'd keep my distro experimentation and exploration to VMs personally
[19:16] <TheAmorphous> Maybe you have a point
[19:16] <TheAmorphous> 15.10 already looked completely different anyway. Some new desktop environment I'd never seen before.
[19:16] <daftykins> probably unity if you grabbed the standard ubuntu variant
[19:17] <daftykins> what do you run on your desktop? or is this RAID system both a server + desktop?
[19:17] <TheAmorphous> Must've been. I think I'm using Xorg currently on 12.04.
[19:17] <TheAmorphous> It's headless, but I VNC into it occasionally
[19:17] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:18] <martman> ernerd
[19:18] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: Headless means it doesn't have a GUI.
[19:18] <TheAmorphous> Ahh, I thought that meant no monitor attached
[19:18] <daftykins> it can be either.
[19:18] <R7677> Hi! The latest update for Nvidia drivers broke my gui. I get only black screen
[19:18] <daftykins> R7677: so roll back :)
[19:19] <R7677> How do I do that?
[19:19] <daftykins> what ubuntu is this? i.e. version number? what's your graphics hardware? how did you just 'update' to a newer?
[19:21] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: And check my PM for a little more information.
[19:21] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:23] <R7677> Sorry, it is 15,10 64 bit I am using the standard propertary drivers, the -update version. The graphics card is Nvidia Geforce 970 GTX. There was a update that came in last two weeks via the update manager, the description was saying it is fixing some security holes I think.
[19:24] <SlidingHorn> Installed xubuntu 15.10 (stay tuned...) - removed all GUI-related items (xfce, x, lightdm, etc.), then installed X, xdm & openbox. Having random crashes when running high resource stuff (chromium w/ video, regnum, etc.). kmsg, syslog & dmesg don't give any hints, and I can't log into it remotely via SSH after this crash (which makes me think it's not X). Machine is a new HP 15 - Pentium N3540, 2 GB RAM 2GB swap
[19:24] <R7677> *it should be around two weeks ago
[19:24] <SlidingHorn> are there other logs that might help me diagnose this?
[19:24] <daftykins> R7677: ok, are you typing from another device right now?
[19:25] <R7677> no, dual booting sorry
[19:26] <R7677> I'll get another computer and come back.
[19:26] <daftykins> R7677: that's fine, just wondered for multi tasking of instructions :) ok what i'd do is boot into recovery mode, purge all nvidia packages, then reinstall
[19:26] <daftykins> does said PC use wifi or wired LAN to get online?
[19:26] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:26] <R7677> I can get to console np via ctrl F1
[19:27] <daftykins> R7677: ah good stuff, from there check if you're online with something like "ping google.com"
[19:27] <R7677> I am
[19:27] <R7677> I know
[19:27] <R7677> I tested it
[19:27] <daftykins> R7677: ok run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia* && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install nvidia-352"
[19:27] <daftykins> note the * which is very important
[19:29] <daftykins> R7677: i've got to head out but i think you should be set with the above, plenty of other volunteers about if not :)
[19:29] <R7677> OK
[19:29] <R7677> Thank you a lot!
[19:29] <daftykins> np :)
[19:30] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: in the worse case you can do dd=if and see if writing directly to your array have ok persistent speed, then use a network flood test to see network issue, then if it's neither check the software then check hardware
[19:30] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the amount of debugging is kinda large xD
[19:31] <R7677> Another question for anyone that would know, what about the ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa?
[19:31] <R7677> Is it worth installing?
[19:31] <fearnothing> hi folks, anyone in here use audacity?
[19:31] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:32] <fearnothing> I'm having a bit of trouble, just trying to set up a computer for my parents and need something that can do pitch shifts on audio. Audacity looked like the best result, but it won't launch without sudo
[19:32] <fearnothing> anyone encountered this?
[19:33] <littlebear> fearnothing: can't you edit visudo and put NOPASSWD
[19:33] <littlebear> then write a audicity.sh that calls sudo /usr/bin/audicity or something similar
[19:34] <akik> fearnothing: what error do you get starting audacity without sudo?
[19:36] <akik> fearnothing: there are lots of things you could check about your setup at http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Linux_Issues
[19:37] <TheAmorphous> littlebear: It definitely doesn't seem to be a network issue as transfers to/from the local SSD and RAID are also really slow. Also, when I put an old SSD in with a new installation of Ubuntu transfers to/from it were fine over the LAN.
[19:37] * ubuntu505 I am curious, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 15.10 installed and recently I noticed I get this annoying tray icon at the bottom left, even when "hidden" it is still there and thus makes using the Terminal window VERY hard if I am at the bottom of the screen. How do I extirpate this menue or relocate it (extirpation is preferential frankly)? Why is it the Ubuntu-Gnome live doesn't seem to have this rotten "feature" and my installed Ub
[19:37] <SlidingHorn> !patience | ubuntu505
[19:38] <SlidingHorn> ubuntu505, what icon are you talking about? Could you please describe it?
[19:38] <ubuntu505> sure! Its a small left to right pop-out tray of some sort
[19:38] <ubuntu505> it has blueproximity in it
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu505 or show a screenshot, on imgur.com
[19:38] <OerHeks> there is a whole reddit post about that, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/32byhw/gnome_316_remove_message_tray_on_bottom_left_of/ without solution
[19:39] <ubuntu505> yeah I read that but was not sure they were talking about the same problem I was having
[19:39] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the only thing I can think of is maybe mdadm reports that you are rebuilding the array hence the slow transfer or it wasn't configurered correctly? Not sure
[19:40] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: have you played around with ZFS for linux? Might be worth looking at it
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> mdadm is reporting everything is "clean"
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> Hah, I was actually just reading up on ZFS
[19:40] <TheAmorphous> The hardware requirements seem crazy for negligible benefits on a home media server
[19:40] <ubuntu505> It allows you to move the entire FS to an external HD then remove the internal one, then you could upgrade and "add it and move it back" after
[19:41] <ubuntu505> Is there a solution for the remove_message_tray issue?
[19:41] <ubuntu505> Where did it come from? I never had a tray like that before
[19:41] <TheAmorphous> After discussing with daftykins and rypervenche I think I've narrowed my options down to 1.) installing new Ubuntu on a different SSD and re-mounting the existing RAID array, or 2.) building a whole new box with new drives and transferring everything over.
[19:41] <ubuntu505> and ubuntu-gnome "live" does not have it
[19:42] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: might I suggest something?
[19:42] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: before I give up, what RAID are you running, 5,6 or 10?
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> 2. seems to be the safest and most surefire way of not having further issues. Kinda pricy though.
[19:42] <ubuntu505> TheAmorphous: How big is your raid (in GBs)
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> RAID5 via mdadm
[19:42] <TheAmorphous> 12TB total, 9 usuable under RAID5
[19:42] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: hm. RAID5 let me google to see if there's anything on a failed parity
[19:43] <littlebear> afaik RAID5 only have 1 parity whereas raid 6 have 2 parity
[19:43] <ubuntu505> Do you have a full backup of it on tape or alternate DASD devices?
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> A RAID issue wouldn't cause the SSD to have transfer rate issues too right?
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> No backups, no
[19:43] <ubuntu505> This is the first problem you must resolve! :)
[19:43] <TheAmorphous> The strangest part about this is I'm on a 100mb internet connection but can only download at 1.1MBps on that box now. I usually get 9-10MBps.
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> TheAmorphous always have a backup, even if you don't need it immediately
[19:44] <TheAmorphous> LAN transfers are usually 100MBps, but cap at exactly 11.1MBps now
[19:44] <fearnothing> akik: #audacity people recommend not using audacity on linux :P
[19:44] <rypervenche> TheAmorphous: RAID is not a backup solution. You shourd invest in backups if the data is valuable to you.
[19:44] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: that box? so even in ramdisk /tmp it's still stuck at 1.1Mbps?
[19:44] <fearnothing> that said, does anyone have a suggestion for a decent alternative that allows you to pitch shift audio files?
[19:44] <ubuntu505> 100MBps is theoretical and all network hardware has its own specs/implementations
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> No, I mean I literally used to get 100MBps real world transfers from that box to the SSD on my desktop over a gigabit LAN
[19:45] <ubuntu505> anyone know how to solve my message tray problem??
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> Now I get 11.1MBps
[19:45] <ubuntu505> or why it doesn't exist in the ubuntu-gnome live environment??
[19:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: how are you transferring it? try aria2c and do parallel dl
[19:45] <akik> fearnothing: you didn't provide any error message. it starts fine without sudo
[19:45] <fearnothing> it doesn't give an error
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> Just copying to a Windows box from a Samba share
[19:45] <TheAmorphous> same way I always have
[19:45] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: hm. Windows ...
[19:46] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu505 ask every 10-15 minutes or so, not every minute, until someone enters who can help
[19:46] <fearnothing> if I try starting from command line it just has an empty line with no prompt, no cursor
[19:46] <TheAmorphous> I've also tried copying from this Ubuntu box to an HTPC running Openelec (Linux)
[19:46] <fearnothing> no messages or errors
[19:46] <ubuntu505> I learned a nice rule from my maid recently...always tell customers: "I don't do Windows"...
[19:46] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: on windows, do you have a filezilla or winscp and can use ssh to download it without samba
[19:46] <littlebear> I just wanted to isolate windows from the equation xD
[19:46] <TheAmorphous> Well right now my primary concern is download speeds
[19:47] <UnwantedAngel> kiss kiss bang bang
[19:47] <TheAmorphous> Downloading large files for work (or from anywhere) to that Ubuntu box directly used to get 9-10MBps on a 100Mb internet connection. Now they download at exactly 1.1MBps.
[19:47] <ubuntu505> The first thing I am curious about is what difference there is between the ubuntu-gnome "live" environment that this try never shows up
[19:47] <ubuntu505> very odd
[19:47] <ubuntu505> then I could remove the package causing it?
[19:48] <akik> fearnothing: if you run "aplay /usr/share/sounds/pop.wav" do you hear it?
[19:48] <TheAmorphous> When I ran the newer version of Ubuntu on an old SSD I was able to download at 10MBps again.
[19:48] <ubuntu505> try hdparm -I /dev/sdd_device
[19:48] <ubuntu505> look at the results from both the old and new variants of Ubuntu
[19:48] <fearnothing> akik, gimme a minute, will test
[19:48] <ubuntu505> are they both putting the device in the same mode?
[19:48] <akik> fearnothing: i guess it's a permission change at some point as it needs root access in your case
[19:48] <ubuntu505> sudo hdparm -I etc...
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey! Running Ubuntu 15.10 here, NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE. I can't get X to work for beans... I feel like the problem is the NVIDIA driver I installed. How can I revert it back to Nouveau without the GUI?
[19:50] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: How did you install the driver?
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> bekks: I used the jockey plugin from software-properties-gtk (the "Additional Drivers" tab in Software and Updates)
[19:51] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: Then you can use apt-get and uninstall the driver, using a console.
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> bekks: Got it. (How that never occurred to me, I don't think I'll ever now.)
[19:51] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[19:53] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: the other thing I can think of is if you are using any sort of firewall that ratelimit it
[19:53] <TheAmorphous> No firewall, now. All of this started last weekend, and I hadn't made any changes.
[19:53] <LobsterAttack> Hello.
[19:53] <ubuntu505> use a crontab entry and "wget" to run speedtest every hour
[19:54] <ubuntu505> start to use statistics on your provider to figure out what they are doing
[19:54] <littlebear> TheAmorphous: press history and scroll up, then in /var/log take a look at any errors
[19:54] <ubuntu505> anyone have any further help on my tray icon issue?
[19:54] <littlebear> ubuntu505: reinstall not an option?
[19:55] <LobsterAttack> Ubuntu via live CD was working great, but once I installed the OS it won't run at full resolution for my display... Can anyone help?
[19:55] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm so confused. I have a mpg2 file, with a subtitle and audio stream that I don't want. I am trying to extract the video (without reencoding it) but when I do, the subtitles end up hardcoded???
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> Seven_Six_Two sounds more for #ubuntustudio, it's multimedia dedicated
[19:57] <Seven_Six_Two> alright, I'll give that a shot.
[19:57] <SlidingHorn> !resolution | LobsterAttack - have you been here yet?
[19:59] <LobsterAttack> ubottu: I get an error with that
[20:00] <LobsterAttack> Oh. :(
[20:01] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, which command gives you an error, and what is the exact error? Can you pastebin them?
[20:01] <LobsterAttack> A bot just messaged me in response to my question
[20:01] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, I prompted it to respond
[20:02] <LobsterAttack> it told me to use sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[20:02] <LobsterAttack> command not found
[20:02] <bekks> ?dm doesnt match lightdm
[20:03] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, did you replace the "?dm" with your actual display manager? (lightdm is the default for Ubuntu)
[20:03] <LobsterAttack> I did not
[20:03] <SlidingHorn> Try that
[20:04] <pax78> ciao
[20:05] <pax78> !lista
[20:05] <remii> lab
[20:07] <Smn> guys, I need a little of help. Is there a way in which to remove apps from the open with list
[20:07] <LobsterAttack> Who was I just talking to? :S
[20:07] <LobsterAttack> I tried to restart lightdm and it closed my chat app.
[20:07] <Smn> specially wine applications. wine explorer is even listed several times...
[20:07] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, me - I'm about to step afk for about 15 min or so though...brb
[20:07] <LobsterAttack> oh
[20:07] <LobsterAttack> Can I PM you?
[20:09] <pax78> cioa
[20:09] <tilpner> I'm never going to learn this. I had everything working, then tried to get rid of screen tearing and now everything's broken. -.-
[20:10] <tilpner> Just to clarify, is it okay to have both 64-, and 32 bit drivers for nvidia, nouveau and radeon installed simultaneously?
[20:12] <newke> i have xubuntu 15.10 installed. every time i start my machine i hear crackling sound. i think it might be pulse audio issue, anyone else experience the same?
[20:12] <LobsterAttack> newke: possibly a buffer set too low?
[20:12] <tilpner> When I login, there's only my wallpaper and desktop icons, but nothing of the rest of Unity. It appears Compiz died on me, but... That Shouldn't Happen (tm).
[20:12] <MoPac> Hello. I've been wondering for a while what is going on with the unity dash search when I pull it up and start typing. There doesn't seem to be any consistent behavior, especially from the "home" tab. Sometimes it is near-instant and sometimes crawls. Sometimes it's finding both apps and files (desired), sometimes only one.
[20:12] <MoPac> And often, I can start (or even finish) typing the name of something (especially an app), and it won't be found -- indefinitely. But if I backspace a character or two, suddenly it may show up -- even though all the characters were a perfect match. Is this kind of behavior common?
[20:14] <newke> LobsterAttack: how do i check it?
[20:17] <LobsterAttack> While running Ubuntu from a live cd everything was working correctly, but once installing I can't change my resolution to the proper setting. Can anyone help?
[20:21] <logan_> hy
[20:22] <Guest57587> it's my first time on irc
[20:22] <Guest57587> italian guys?
[20:22] <bazhang> !it
[20:24] <tilpner> "CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...."
[20:24] <tilpner> You're not helping, Ubuntu. :(
[20:25] <LMKY> I just installed linux, what should I know? :)
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> !manual | LMKY start here
[20:26] <LMKY> sounds good thanks
[20:26] <LobsterAttack> ubottu is very smart
[20:26] <jwtiyar> hey
[20:26] <wizzkidd> i have messed up some files on my ubuntu server 15.10. I incorrectly symlinked some "libz*" files, then unlinked them, and now my system is throwing up "segmentation fault" errors. I am not able to boot the server any longer, and I have managed to get to a root prompt using the recovery option in the grub menu. It seems Python is broken i think, and "libz.so.1" cannot be found either. I am unable to run any apt-get command beca
[20:26] <_nemesys> your creator is intelligent ubottu
[20:29] <LobsterAttack> Anyone know anything about display driver issues in Ubuntu?
[20:29] <tilpner> LobsterAttack - "They're rarely fun."
[20:30] <LobsterAttack> tilpner - no kidding
[20:30] <LobsterAttack> But the mystery is...
[20:30] <LobsterAttack> Worked perfectly on a live CD version of Ubuntu.
[20:30] <LobsterAttack> And during install.
[20:31] <LobsterAttack> But post-install, I'm limited to a ludicrously small resolution.
[20:36] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, did you visit the second link in !resolution?
[20:37] <jwtiyar_> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER jwtiyar_
[20:39] <jwtiyar> how i can 20 pics from 40 pics ? with one select ?
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar sophisticated password!
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar how can you what, whith one select?
[20:41] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i have 40 files i want to delete 20 in one time not selecting one by one
[20:42] <NEXUS-6> Have anybody problems with the last java upate on ubuntu 15.10? I have problems with netbeans
[20:43] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, in windows i can but in ubuntu i cant select these just with pressing and hold the right click because there no space to start the selection
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar and how do you make the pc know which files have to be deleted?
[20:43] <OerHeks> jwtiyar, select the 1st, hold shift and arrow down to select more
[20:44] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i want to make a select just by holding right click till finish slecting
[20:44] <hexhaxtron> I play the electric guitar. How can I play it together with a remote friend?
[20:44] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, this will do seecting one by one
[20:45] <OerHeks> to get a better view, press in the right top corner view icons as grit
[20:45] <LobsterAttack> SlidingHorn: can you post it again?
[20:45] <SlidingHorn> jwtiyar, can't you just hold ctrl+click each one?
[20:45] <jwtiyar> OerHeks, this will do seecting one by one
[20:45] <SlidingHorn> !resolution | LobsterAttack
[20:46] <jwtiyar> SlidingHorn, i think u dont understand what i mean i will post an atachment pic of my case
[20:46] <OerHeks> jwtiyar, no, hold ctrl to select manually with the mouse, i just found it
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> that's how do it always
[20:48] <LobsterAttack> SlidingHorn: still not showing my the right resolution at all
[20:49] <Exagone313> Hi, I want to lie to the hostname command. I tried to use an alias to echo xxxx, but when I run for example hostname aaa it prints "xxxx aaa" and not just "xxxx". What do I do? Thanks for helping.
[20:49] <Exagone313> without changing path if possible
[20:50] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, OerHeks sorry i got another problem when i make a screenshoot the screen will white and i cant do anything
[20:50] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, are you sure you went all the way through all that information so quickly & tried what was applicable?
[20:51] <jwtiyar> OerHeks, with mouse click i have to do it one by one not whole
[20:51] <LobsterAttack> xrandr shows a "maximum" resolution of my monitor than I know what it is, so...
[20:51] <LobsterAttack> Dunno what else to do at this point SlidingHorn
[20:51] <akik> Exagone313: you could try "sysctl -w kernel.hostname=test". no guarantees
[20:52] <OerHeks> jwtiyar, hold ctrl to select manually with the mouse, i just found it
[20:52] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar set the view to 'icons', then you can select them with the mouse (just tried and works)
[20:52] <Exagone313> ok I just replace /bin/hostname, just easier...
[20:52] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, the page linked in that message tells you how to fix that, specifically: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[20:53] <Exagone313> maybe unsafe way
[20:53] <Cinnamon> good day everyone, I had the following strange case with usb drive: it was decrypted and mounted, and a file on it was opened. then I couldnt save the file because the folders were suddenly shown with a lock symbol. and then the same folders became shown as empty (more correctly, the subfolders were disappearing each time I went to a parent folder). at the same time the drive was shown as locked (encrypted) back, without me having done anything,
[20:53] <Cinnamon> yet was also shown as a second additional partition mounted at '/dev/mapper/luks..' (where the folders disappeared) I was not able to decrypt the drive again at this moment, even though the password was correct. then I restarted the machine, and this time decryption was possible, and all files and folders were there, yet as 'read-only'...can someone please help me know what happened or what this all might be about?
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> Cinnamon an encrypted drive?
[20:54] <Cinnamon> MonkeyDust, yes, it is a luks drive
[20:55] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i selected sizes so all big are in last so i want select from smallest big to biggest size this will not work just by holding mouse and going down to last one its one by one i have to click each picture because there is no in the place to start the selection by mouse
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar and the view is set to 'icons'?
[20:56] <SlidingHorn> jwtiyar, right click somewhere in the space between folders & go to Arrange items > sort by size?
[20:56] <Cinnamon> MonkeyDust, in short, the folders first became 'unpermitted', then disappeared, while the mounted partition was shown, on one side, as locked back, and, on the other, as mounted at /mapper, with said state of folders
[20:57] <Exagone313> it's ok i found a way
[20:57] <Cinnamon> and at restart all folders were read-only
[20:57] <AlexPortable> Does /etc/hosts supports wildcards?
[20:57] <AlexPortable> so for example complete /24 range
[20:57] <LobsterAttack> SlidingHorn I have no idea what the output is even called and that article doesn't explain how to find out.
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> Cinnamon i'm unfamiliar with luks or encryption, that's why i asked
[20:58] <jwtiyar> SlidingHorn, MonkeyDust , u have any windows os now ?
[20:59] <Cinnamon> MonkeyDust, ah, ok, no problem, thank you all the same!..maybe someone here can help
[20:59] <akik> Exagone313: usually it's nice to tell the solution to others too
[21:00] <Exagone313> I use docker, and I found the solution with it
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar no need, i can select files with one mouse move, so it should work for you too
[21:00] <Exagone313> because it blocks to edit the hostname apparently
[21:00] <HL521> How can I figure out if there is driver support for the xDuoo TA-01 USB DAC/Amp?
[21:01] <HL521> Uses Wolfson WM8470 chips
[21:02] <ph8> Hi all
[21:02] <ph8> I have a samba mount in my /etc/fstab - but it never mounts on boot. Running a mount -a after i'm booted up sorts it - does anyone have any idea what option or setting i might need to remedy this?
[21:03] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, please provide the output (will be a link) of: xrandr -q | pastebinit
[21:03] <akik> ph8: i use this line "//server/share /home/username/share cifs user,_netdev,cache=none,credentials=/home/username/.cifs-credentials 0 0"
[21:03] <akik> ph8: mounts automatically
[21:03] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, how u do it ? there is no space any where u start with mouse have file , i wanted you to test it and understand what iam saying , its been been two years i have this problem
[21:04] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, this my files are aranged http://postimg.org/image/qwn37irnr/
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar i guess we're not talking about the same thing... which file manager are you using?
[21:05] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i want to delete from .cr2 file to end with one time holding right click till finish and then delete not selecting one by one
[21:05] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, stock one
[21:05] <ph8> akik, the _netdev is new, any idea what that does?
[21:05] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar is that the name of the file manager, 'stock one'?
[21:05] <LobsterAttack> SlidingHorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13533157/
[21:06] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, no i mean the ubuntu it self file manager Unity
[21:06] <akik> ph8: "The filesystem resides on a device that requires network access (used to prevent the system from attempting to mount these filesystems until the network has been enabled on the system)."
[21:06] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, you saw the pic ?
[21:07] <ph8> ah amazing, thanks!
[21:07] <akik> ph8: i managed to make the mount under systemd too but it's way too much work
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar i saw it... that's not nautilus, what is it?
[21:08] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, its nautilus
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar ok, set the view to 'icons'
[21:10] <LobsterAttack> SlidingHorn: any ideas?
[21:10] <OerHeks> told that too: to get a better view, press in the right top corner view icons as grit
[21:10] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, just a moment...
[21:10] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, this is what iam talking about :)
[21:10] <TJ-> Cinnamon: reading up on your experience I'd suspect the USB device had an I/O error which caused the underlying raw device to become unavailable, and the GUI tools saw a cached version of the file system, which is why directories/files 'disappeared' once the tools needed to re-read the device
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar yes, you can delete the files in icon view
[21:11] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, but i select icons the order will become corrupted
[21:11] <Guest93333> list
[21:11] <Guest93333> \list
[21:12] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i made them by size so i want to delete from.cr2 files and till finish but seting to icons will misalign them again i cant delete woth one time
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar in icon view it's ordered horizontally, but the order stays the same
[21:12] <OerHeks> Guest93333, all torrents are here :-P http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[21:12] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, i got it thank you bro
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> *phew*
[21:13] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, this is too much noisy ubuntu should make view to icons and then sizes in default
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar not for one person's preferences
[21:13] <Cinnamon> TJ- but everything is back now, after I restarted the machine. yet read-only
[21:13] <akik> is there a setting which would tell ubuntu not to shutdown the network interface until all network mounts have been unmounted?
[21:13] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, this is default in every where
[21:14] <jwtiyar> MonkeyDust, thank you again
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> jwtiyar happy to help
[21:15] <Cinnamon> TJ- and the drive had shown no errors when I ran badblocks on it (though just for 2 passes, yet I heard that it'd likely be reliable)
[21:16] <scrat`> test
[21:17] <jwtiyar> how i can upgrade by USB ?
[21:19] <AlexPortable> How do I get the /etc/hosts file to actually work?
[21:19] <TJ-> Cinnamon: I'd check /var/log/kern.log around the time the issue happened, and work backwards in the log, for any indication of events related to the USB mass storage device
[21:20] <TJ-> Cinnamon: read-only mount would likely be due to file-system errors causing a remount,ro option to take effect
[21:20] <SlidingHorn> LobsterAttack, ok, so just to summarize: you used a liveUSB/CD and the resolution was fine. Now, you have a fresh install with only a very low resolution? If so, have you come across this in your search? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2267514&p=13238154#post13238154
[21:21] <SolyHit> hi
[21:23] <kubast2> Hey which driver would you use on trinity apu ?
[21:23] <kubast2> xserver-xorg-video-ati or fgrlx-updates ?
[21:30] <Cinnamon> TJ- I checked kern.log, and found errors like these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13533559/
[21:31] <Cinnamon> the time stamps correspond to the interval when the problem occured
[21:31] <Gazorpazorp> Hey, I have a 4gb sdcard, but fdisk says that it has only 10mb.
[21:31] <Gazorpazorp> I have seen that particular card having 4gb in the past
[21:32] <Gazorpazorp> http://pastebin.com/6b0HCqBr
[21:32] <Gazorpazorp> kernel conf and fdisk printout
[21:33] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: probably the reader
[21:33] <daftykins> try another if you can
[21:35] <Gazorpazorp> other sdcards are shown with the right size in this reader, I dont have another reader right now
[21:35] <daftykins> what's the card used for?
[21:37] <Gazorpazorp> dd'ed an image of a windows dvd to it inbefore
[21:38] <daftykins> but it's not from a camera or similar?
[21:38] <Gazorpazorp> then wipefs -a 'ed the thing
[21:38] <Gazorpazorp> it maybe was in a camera some time
[21:38] <Gazorpazorp> but I have used it as 4gb card after it was in the cam
[21:38] <Gazorpazorp> cam was a canon powershot a710
[21:40] <daftykins> i'd throw it back in and see if the camera can make head nor tail of it?
[21:44] <Gazorpazorp> the cam is dead, gone look for another one
[21:53] <Exagone313> Hi, I have Ubuntu 14.04, I try to install the package sqlite3 that depends on libsqlite3-0 (= 3.8.2-1ubuntu2) but 3.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 is installed and it fails. What do I do? Thanks for your help.
[21:54] <Tumulte> Hello !
[21:54] <Tumulte> how do I force pulse audio to be stereo... instead of 5.1 (I only got this profile)
[21:55] <TJ-> Cinnamon: "usb 1-1: reset high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci" would be the device disconnecting. Everything else would stem from that.
[21:56] <dfrey> How do I upgrade to a version other than 15.04. I am on 14.04 and I want to get to 15.04, but I have read that you have to upgrade to 14.10 first.
[21:56] <daftykins> dfrey: that's correct
[21:56] <daftykins> !eolupgrade | dfrey follow the last link in this factoid
[21:57] <OerHeks> better do a fresh 15.10 then
[21:58] <Gazorpazorp> dfrey: On Ubuntu installs I document and archive my customizations in system and have /home on a separate partition, that saves a lot of updates woes. I can clean install and keep everything
[21:59] <dfrey> Back in the day, debian was known for being reliable through upgrades. Perhaps that is not true of Ubuntu anymore.
[22:00] <OerHeks> dfrey, not fair, you have chosen 14.04 lts ( 14.04.3 by now)
[22:00] <Exagone313> here is an output of apt-get install sqlite3: http://ewd.xyz/FftZxZIdpvFYLOo
[22:02] <Gazorpazorp> How is the general smoothness of release upgrades on ubuntu nowadays? Havent upgraded anything since 11.04 and 12.04
[22:02] <daftykins> Exagone313: can you state "cat /etc/issue" and also "apt-cache policy sqlite3" ?
[22:02] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: i tend to stick to LTS to avoid upgrades :) never believed in them
[22:04] <cotix> Is there a way to report bugs when you dont run ubuntu?
[22:04] <Gazorpazorp> daftykins: they mostly broke a lot of things, system was very unstable afterwards back then. Only release upgrade that really was perfect is debian wheezy to jessie
[22:04] <daftykins> cotix: how would you know of any? :)
[22:05] <Gazorpazorp> cotix: either to the developer of the package or your distros people
[22:05] <cotix> I had to install Ubuntu server, and the installation process was horrible
[22:05] <cotix> Its the ubuntu installer
[22:05] <cotix> rescue mode is broken if you boot from usb
[22:05] <cotix> there is no way to controll where grub is installed
[22:05] <cotix> it defaults to installing it on the usb
[22:05] <Gazorpazorp> cotix, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[22:05] <cotix> even though i made a partition mounted to /boot
[22:06] <daftykins> separate /boot is very antiquated and has nothing to do with GRUB placement
[22:06] <daftykins> anywho you can always drop to a shell and do it by hand :) which if you're installing server, you're more than likely to be competent with
[22:06] <cotix> I couldn't because the rescue mode was broken
[22:06] <cotix> so i couldnt get a shell
[22:06] <daftykins> cotix: may i ask which version though? i can spin that up and test it
[22:06] <cotix> newest
[22:07] <cotix> try installing from an usb
[22:07] <daftykins> so 15.10 64-bit server?
[22:07] <cotix> grub will be installed on the usb
[22:07] <Gazorpazorp> is the image corrupt? did you check hashes?
[22:07] <cotix> I mean the LTS
[22:07] <daftykins> ok so 14.04.3 64-bit server?
[22:07] <cotix> yes
[22:07] <Exagone313> it's ok I used another source lists from my interver provider
[22:07] <daftykins> rightyo, and how did you prepare the USB drive?
[22:07] <Exagone313> thanks anyway
[22:07] <daftykins> Exagone313: ok must've been an out of date repository
[22:08] <cotix> when you select rescue mode using live usb it says it cant find ubuntu cd
[22:08] <Exagone313> archive.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <daftykins> cotix: right but how did you prepare this USB flash drive with the ISO?
[22:09] <daftykins> Exagone313: ok but if that was a VPS sometimes those can be intercepted
[22:09] <cotix> with the recommended methode that ubuntu.com told me to
[22:10] <cotix> live usb thingy
[22:10] <daftykins> alrighty, i'm grabbing that ISO so i'll give it a test
[22:10] <daftykins> ubuntu-14.04.3-server-amd64.iso is the one
[22:11] <finexbeer> cuno italiano??
[22:12] <daftykins> !it
[22:12] <d31anon> o
[22:12] <d31anon> hello
[22:12] <Gazorpazorp> hi
[22:12] <finexbeer> hello
[22:13] <d31anon> can i give one question?
[22:13] <daftykins> sure
[22:13] <daftykins> ask away :)
[22:13] <Gazorpazorp> finexbeer, can read it a bit but not form sentences at all. try in the ubuntu-it chan or write it anyway
[22:14] <d31anon> is it backbox is ubuntu too
[22:14] <finexbeer> whats in the ather software (software and aploud) the 2° point??
[22:15] <daftykins> d31anon: we do not support backbox here, sorry
[22:15] <daftykins> !backbox
[22:17] <daftykins> cotix: i get some error console output from booting recovery mode from the menu ("repair a broken system") but after a loading delay, it comes up with the language select text menu just fine
[22:17] <skweek> does anyone have a good backup solution for me to use to backup some directories from disk to SD card?
[22:17] <daftykins> cotix: are you familiar with hashing your download to ensure it wasn't corrupt?
[22:18] <daftykins> skweek: i would not consider an SD card to be any form of viable backup, worse than a cheap USB flash drive in fact
[22:18] <skweek> doesn't cp have an option to copy files based on time settings?
[22:18] <skweek> its all i've got daftykins and its a temporary solution
[22:18] <skweek> but I agree with you
[22:18] <daftykins> whilst unfriendly, the man page might say so - otherwise i'm sure rsync would have such a feature
[22:19] <daftykins> how temporary? :)
[22:19] <EriC^^> skweek: rsync -av /path/to/source /path/to/backup
[22:19] <m0tz> is there a way to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 3421? can't find any useful site on google...
[22:20] <skweek> thanks EriC^^
[22:20] <EriC^^> np
[22:20] <skweek> like a month
[22:20] <bprompt> m0tz: shouldn't be any different than installing on any other x86 box
[22:22] <m0tz> bprompt: it seems there's no way to setup bios to boot it...
[22:22] <Gazorpazorp> skweek, are the files confidential? if not extremely then encrypt your backup and upload it to some free hoster like gdrive, dropbox, mega, wahtever
[22:23] <bprompt> m0tz: hmmmm is the usb bootable? have you ever booted to usb anything before?
[22:24] <skweek> not really they aren't really... so will rsync -av /source/foo /dest/foo check the last modified date of files and only preform updates?
[22:24] <m0tz> yes, it is. Yes, do this kind of thing very often...
[22:25] <bprompt> m0tz: then I don't see why the ubuntu usb wouldn't boot :), chances are the burning didn't go well I'd think
[22:28] <mschurenko> hey. can anyone see this?
[22:29] <mschurenko> not sure if my irc client is working properly
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> mschurenko use a different font color to be more visible
[22:30] <MonkeyDust> mschurenko that was a joke, yes, we see you
[22:30] <londoncalling> yeah we can't see it if you write in invisible ink sorry
[22:30] <mschurenko> Thanks MonkeyDust :)
[22:30] <londoncalling> :D
[22:31] <zzo38> How do I check if newer Ubuntu packages are compatible with my computer without damaging anything?
[22:31] <zzo38> I want to install the newer SQLite and Swiss Ephemeris packages
[22:32] <zzo38> (My computer does not even have a Swiss Ephemeris package)
[22:32] <badbodh> stick to official repos, compatibility ensured
[22:33] <zzo38> I think it is the official Ubuntu packages, but it is a newer version of Ubuntu.
[22:34] <badbodh> which version ?
[22:34] <bprompt> zzo38: make a backup, try the newer package :), if it's a no-go, then put the backup back :)
[22:34] <badbodh> btw regular softwares don;t need to be compatible to your hardware in general. drivers and kernels need to be compatible
[22:35] <zzo38> I want the newest versions of SQLite and Swiss Ephemeris. However I have SQLite version 3.8.11 and Ubuntu version 12.04.5.LTS
[22:35] <daftykins> no wonder they're old :)
[22:36] <zzo38> This software I don't to worry about the hardware compatibility but I want to ensure it is compatible with the software I have on my computer!
[22:37] <sylwek> what abaut ISIS
[22:37] <bprompt> zzo38: as badbodh suggested, stick to the repositories.... latest for 12.04 is 2.8.17 as far as I can tell, so, 3.8.11 may need newer libraries that may be shared by other packages that may not be compatible with it, either that, or 3.8.11 simply won't install
[22:38] <badbodh> if you want latest and greatest all the time switch to a rolling release distro. ubuntu freezes its packages before release to ensure nothing breaks and keeps receiving security updates.
[22:38] <zzo38> Yes that's what I wanted to know about. Is it better if I just compile those program by myself?
[22:38] <badbodh> then you may break dependencies. compile at your own risk.
[22:39] <badbodh> you can easily upgrade to newer versions by update-manager
[22:39] <Gazorpazorp> sylwek, the ancient goddess or the crazy dogs in middle east
[22:40] <badbodh> Gazorpazorp, feeding trolls strictly prohibited in this zoo
[22:40] <Gazorpazorp> badbodh, kk
[22:40] <regum> hello everyone
[22:40] <daftykins> hi
[22:41] <regum> I'm running ubuntu and instlled a debian package
[22:41] <zzo38> The new version of SQLite is compatible with the old one though
[22:41] <regum> it's broken everyting
[22:41] <regum> How can I revert to the good old days?
[22:41] <daftykins> regum: you'd find it far easier to clean install i should think, what package?
[22:41] <badbodh> regum, remove the debian package
[22:42] <regum> badbodh, userland
[22:42] <regum> daftykins, that is an option, but I'd rather try to fix it, it's extremely tedious to fresh install
[22:42] <bprompt> zzo38: it depends on what the packages uses, if 3.8.11 is simplly going to update the libraries for 2.8.17, and not touch any other shared libraries by other packages, then, sure, compiling it and installing from there would work, but often times that's not true for newer packages, they may require newer versions of some shared library, that may break other package(s)
[22:42] <zzo38> They always ensure to make it compatible. Also this package manager does not even have Swiss Ephemeris so I think no program depend on that package. I would prefer to install the package but if I cannot I could install by myself, but then I might get a extra copy
[22:44] <zzo38> I am pretty sure that SQLite does not require newer versions of some shared library and break others, but that might not necessarily be true of the Ubuntu package for SQLite; I don't really understand all of these Ubuntu package
[22:44] <badbodh> regum, once you remove the 'debian package' you speak of, you can do "sudo apt-get install -f" to fix
[22:44] <regum> badbodh, I'll try that now
[22:44] <daftykins> i don't think that's going to help but ok
[22:46] <badbodh> daftykins, let's first figure out how much destruction, with popcorn and beer
[22:47] <daftykins> oh you can :)
[22:47] <daftykins> by all means!
[22:47] <zzo38> Also I wrote some programs that might be useful to someone so can you add such packages into later version of Ubuntu possibly? All such program is free software and open source and public domain software.
[22:47] <Gazorpazorp> daftykins still here?
[22:47] <daftykins> that i am
[22:47] <badbodh> regum, if any error, copy/paste output in pastebin.com , share url here
[22:47] <zzo38> But, maybe it does not meet your policy I don't know
[22:48] <regum> ok, I'm still on it
[22:48] <Gazorpazorp> daftykins, is there any other method to restore an sdcard to normal state? I have 2 camers in reach, one is bricked, the other was in the car for months and the proprietary batterie is dead
[22:48] <daftykins> no charger?
[22:48] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: given how cheap they are i wouldn't put much effort toward it personally.
[22:49] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: you could try sharing the output of "sudo parted -l" which is slightly different to fdisk, or just try sending some data to it to kill the partition table
[22:49] <regum> badbodh, it didn't fix it
[22:49] <Gazorpazorp> daftykins, the battery is dead dead. Lithium battery that was empty at -5°C. Yes, just bought a bunch of them, but they propably arrive on monday
[22:50] <regum> I really don't want to do a fresh install, configuring the thing is hell
[22:50] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: why the hurry then? :)
[22:50] <daftykins> regum: only if you start trying to throw debian packages on the wrong distro ;)
[22:51] <badbodh> regum, share output on pastebin
[22:52] <Gazorpazorp> daftykins, I need one for a phone that doesnt work without one
[22:52] <LonelyDanbo> How do I narrow down whether my motherboard chipset overheating is a motherboard issue or some kind of issue with Ubuntu? I bought a replacement motherboard of the same brand but with high ratings. It overheats when I play videos or games.
[22:52] <regum> badbodh, it's a camera that doesn't work, it did before, but I wanted to use a package with it and it now won't work as it did before
[22:53] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: why do you think it's the motherboard and not the graphics card (if there is one) or the CPU itself? or why overheating at all?
[22:53] <LonelyDanbo> I thought maybe the games were due to it being through Wine and somehow it's not going directly to the video card, because I'm... not sure Wine does ... is it nVidia that's the alternative of ... I got the one that's better with AMD.
[22:54] <regum> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/KARDi4Lu
[22:54] <daftykins> regum: i'm not the one currently assisting you
[22:54] <zzo38> Can you please tell me if my program are against your policy to add into your package manager?
[22:54] <regum> oh sorry
[22:54] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, because I put my finger on all of them and only the motherboard chipset is burning hot
[22:54] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: could you describe what happens when you're playing games?
[22:54] <regum> I got mixed up with names
[22:54] <badbodh> regum, we really don;t know about your camera or why you tried to use the mentioned package. let's focus on fixing your broken system.
[22:54] <regum> badbodh, http://pastebin.com/KARDi4Lu
[22:55] <regum> well, yeah, but that's the error I get
[22:55] <daftykins> zzo38: volunteers only here, not officials
[22:55] <badbodh> first tell us what symptoms made you think you got broken system ?
[22:55] <regum> well it worked before, I installed that package that had to do with the camera and now it doesn't work
[22:55] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, the chipset gets hot really quick, and if I play full screen for a few hours performance decreases, framerate drops, and eventually it locks up if I'm playing all day.
[22:55] <badbodh> any freeze, crash, install/uninstall problem
[22:56] <miroesq> I am running ubuntu server bc a software compatability issue. i am trying to install a program, but it is telling me to install libpq devel or equivalent. my seraches have only turned up libpq5, but installing that still gave me the same issue. does anyone know what this libpq devel is?
[22:56] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: ok, can you open the terminal and run "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" so we can identify your graphics hardware? it'll create a link for you to paste here
[22:56] <zzo38> daftykins: O, sorry, who am I supposed to ask then?
[22:57] <zzo38> O, I didn't know termbin.com
[22:57] <daftykins> zzo38: i think there's a packaging channel, however <your timezone> on a Friday night / Saturday morning may not get much of a response :)
[22:57] <badbodh> regum, looks like you are missing camera firmware.
[22:57] <regum> yeah
[22:58] <badbodh> we can;t really help you with that.
[22:58] <auronandace> !packaging | zzo38
[22:58] <regum> I think that the package I installed has added dependecies to it or something
[22:58] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, http://termbin.com/eg1b
[22:58] <regum> but I can't run that firmware
[22:58] <badbodh> regum, what made you think your system is broken ?
[22:59] <sudo3> hi guys, i have dnsmasq where i addedd my zones and it work well for site without ssl but for site with ssl it resolves via google dns any ideas?
[22:59] <regum> badbodh, it worked before, I installed that package that had to do with the camera and now it doesn't work
[22:59] <regum> badbodh, it didn't ask me for anything like that before
[22:59] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: ok so nvidia GTX 660 graphics, does your new motherboard have an actively cooled northbridge chip (is there a fan on it?) or is it a passive heatsink? (no fan)
[23:00] <badbodh> regum, look into /var/log/apt , there will be some log files which tell you what got installed with your 'thing'
[23:00] <badbodh> remove them one by one
[23:00] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, there's no fan on it.
[23:00] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: ok and do you happen to have the make and model of board beside you right now?
[23:01] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, yup. Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3
[23:01] <regum> badbodh, only apt-get shows up there
[23:02] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: excellent, have you at any point installed "lm-sensors" and had a glance at what the temperatures are like? if not do so now and then run "sensors | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:02] <regum> I coned the userland repo and used their buildme
[23:02] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, I HAD been using a Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P . It had a larger heatsync for the northbridge chip, but still no fan.
[23:02] <regum> cloned*
[23:02] <hispeed67> just connected tv to laptop via HDMI, how do i tell ubuntu studio to use it?
[23:03] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: i would say that it is a very big stretch that it has anything to do with your problems, they *always* run hot
[23:03] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, http://termbin.com/bflu I just got done playing a game. It's still uncomfortably hot but not too bad.
[23:03] <badbodh> regum, them i'm afraid re-install is the only way. you don;t know what changes you made, no way to track them down. we can;t fix it.
[23:03] <elisa87> hey I get this error even though my JAVA_HOME is set by another script, any idea how this could be fixed? http://pastebin.com/ff3eJ5Pr
[23:03] <badbodh> that's why use caution before using a third-party repo
[23:03] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: hmm there's not actually any useful information from that, can you try running "nvidia-settings" and look for a temperature value in that?
[23:03] <regum> thanks for the help
[23:04] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, what always runs hot? motherboard chipsets? then why aren't there coolers for them?
[23:04] <regum> I do feel like this shouldn't be able to happen though
[23:04] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: there is - and you're looking at it, they just don't need any active cooling :)
[23:04] <daftykins> i can pretty much guarantee you the fault lies elsewhere
[23:04] <badbodh> regum, next time you play with unofficial repos, make sure you keep a track of things you do. in case you need to revert your changes
[23:05] <utu8o> is there a user friendly app on Ubuntu like Filezilla Server on Windows?
[23:05] <regum> badbodh, I used their buildme, that's all
[23:05] <akik> utu8o: openssh-server
[23:06] <utu8o> does that have a user friendly GUI?
[23:06] <akik> utu8o: no
[23:06] <Twinkletoes> server 14.04, I'm trying top prevent ssh from running at startup, but after running udpate-rc.d -f ssh remove, and rebooting, ssh is sitll listening on port 22
[23:06] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, nvidia settings says my temp is 31C
[23:06] <Twinkletoes> How do I prevent ssh from starting auto at boot?
[23:06] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: ok so the graphics card is alright. install "mesa-utils" then run "glxgears" and watch that temperature, see how high it goes
[23:07] <daftykins> Twinkletoes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/56753/how-do-i-disable-sshd-from-starting-automatically
[23:07] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, looks like it's already installed. not sure how to run it.
[23:08] <utu8o> akik, so i guess the easiest way would just be to use Windows as the host over ubuntu
[23:08] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: either from a spare terminal window, or type it into dash top left (if this is a unity desktop)
[23:08] <Twinkletoes> daftykins: Thank you for that!
[23:08] <LonelyDanbo> mesa-utils command not found.
[23:08] <daftykins> np :)
[23:08] <akik> utu8o: if your need is to install a file server, openssh-server fits the bill perfectly
[23:08] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: no 'glxgears' is the program provided by the package 'mesa-utils'
[23:09] <jophish__> right, I'm back
[23:09] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, shot up to 36C but now quickly going down to 33C
[23:10] <jophish__> I"ve reinstalled the nvidia driver and am still getting "the system is running in low graphics mode"
[23:11] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: i would say it'd be handy if you could try another OS on this same system if possible (such as a temporary Windows install on a spare hard disk) which would help point the trouble away from software, but i would be more inclined to think it's PSU related (power supply)
[23:11] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: you could give ##hardware a go, as it's more on topic for them - but obviously only assuming my guess is even close.
[23:12] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, I'm paranoid about using Windows. I was really hoping to avoid it. I feel like it's a security risk to have it.
[23:12] <daftykins> just don't go online and watch porn, you can keep it just as long as to test whilst remaining totally offline if you have game discs.
[23:12] <badbodh> regum, moot point is you installed package that's not in the repos, don;t do that if you can;t fix things yourself. sorry we couldn;t help.
[23:12] <utu8o> LonelyDanbo, true, but Windows is so user friendly it makes life easier
[23:13] <jophish__> On this topic, I tried a windows install and didn't have any graphics problems
[23:13] <jasabella> hi :) im trying to use expert install mode in ubuntu server lts cd and it keeps going through things automaticall?
[23:13] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: if you were playing around in the case before the problem first occurred, static damage could be a factor too... but that's a huge stretch.
[23:13] <regum> badbodh, I appreciate your help, I'm frustrated at ubuntu really, it's a pain in the ass to set it all up again
[23:13] <daftykins> jophish__: i doubt that's what you did between now and earlier ;)
[23:14] <jophish__> daftykins: ah, I meant earlier, before we started chatting
[23:14] <badbodh> regum, then don;t do rash things :) carelessness leads to pain. ubuntu or not.
[23:14] <LonelyDanbo> Also like... the new Windows versions ... are a mess. I heard they fixed it in 10 but... then I've also heard people just had them break on their own and have to go back to previous versions.
[23:14] <daftykins> jophish__: :) have you booted in to purge nvidia* again yet?
[23:14] <regum> badbodh, it wasn't rash, it was the only way to use the camera
[23:14] <jophish__> daftykins: I've done that a few times now already
[23:14] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: discussion on Windows isn't apt for this channel, it is a suggestion which will let you isolate the problem quickly (assuming you know how to set up Windows) so it's up to you.
[23:15] <utu8o> i'm surprised that Android has way more user friendly apps than Ubuntu even though Ubuntu started long before Android and apps are also free... i guess Android is more friendly towards app developers
[23:15] <badbodh> regum, then you should contact the developer of that package or camera manufacturer for ubuntu compatibility
[23:15] <jophish__> ah, Xord.failsaf.log has some interesting errors
[23:15] <jasabella> how do i get into expert install on the dvd?
[23:15] <jasabella> er cd
[23:15] <daftykins> utu8o: no, you can just make a lot of money on android...
[23:15] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, well the previous board I snapped the heatsync off while holding the board by it... I ended up replacing the thermal paste with stuff from like 10 years ago... maybe it was too thin because I heard that's what you do, but it was originally attached by a BLOCK of this stuff.
[23:15] <jophish__> http://termbin.com/dq6g
[23:16] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: i'm honestly telling you that thinking that is the cause is 100% false, it is something else most definitely
[23:16] <daftykins> jophish__: remind me, this was the hybrid graphics laptop yeah?
[23:17] <jophish__> daftykins: as far as I know, yes
[23:17] <LonelyDanbo> well... maybe I'll keep trying this new board and see if it screws up the same way. :(
[23:17] <badbodh> what kind of camera needs third party software to work? most can be just plugged in and work like a flash drive
[23:17] <jophish__> I've booted with 15.10 at least once before
[23:17] <daftykins> jophish__: ok can you pastebin "ls -al /boot" ?
[23:17] <jophish__> sure thing
[23:17] <daftykins> badbodh: ones that don't support the UVC standard
[23:17] <jophish__> http://termbin.com/lms3 daftykins
[23:18] <badbodh> daftykins, that means "not my bloody job - yours faithfully, ubuntu"
[23:19] <daftykins> badbodh: no, it means "Linux works well with cameras that support the UVC standard"
[23:19] <dotpixis> ?
[23:19] <LonelyDanbo> I had been reading about how to use nVidia graphics cards in Wine with my games and I got the impression that ... it doesn't work properly. changing settings to Direct3D allows it to fully utilize features. So I figured all graphics were running through the system instead of directly to the video card.
[23:19] <dotpixis> depends on the system
[23:19] <badbodh> well, we need standards
[23:19] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: try a Linux native game, to rule out wine, or try Windows as i mentioned.
[23:19] <daftykins> badbodh: we have them - and the one you bought does not adhere to them.
[23:19] <dotpixis> as linus torvald said "Fuck you Nvida"
[23:20] <LonelyDanbo> hm. native Linux game.
[23:20] <daftykins> jophish__: you can run "sudo apt-get autoremove" to get rid of that -16 kernel
[23:20] <LonelyDanbo> hah. well it's a bit late for me to replace all my hardware.
[23:20] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: yeah, do you have a steam account?
[23:20] <badbodh> dotpixis, at least use **** when quoting the big guy
[23:20] <LonelyDanbo> no Steam.
[23:20] <badbodh> you'd be kicked otherwise
[23:20] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: nobody suggested replacing hardware just yet :)
[23:21] <dotpixis> badbodh: okay, i'm not gonna curse, but i'm not one to change a quote...
[23:21] <badbodh> feel free to censor a quote
[23:22] <badbodh> we got kids here. leaves bad impression
[23:22] <jophish__> daftykins: interestingly now I'm not getting a cursor, which I only seemed to get while running the nvidia driver
[23:22] <dotpixis> i won't be quoteing Samuel L. Jackson here...
[23:22] <jasabella> is ubuntu expert install supposed to autodetect network settings?!
[23:23] <daftykins> jasabella: can you be more specific, which ISO are you using?
[23:23] <daftykins> dotpixis: please take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic :) this channel is for support only
[23:23] <badbodh> should detect ethernet, not sure about wi-fi
[23:24] <daftykins> jophish__: did you run that command and reboot already? there wasn't any need to.
[23:25] <jophish__> daftykins: there's not too much else I can do at the moment :)
[23:25] <daftykins> jophish__: can you remind me of the laptop make + model?
[23:25] <daftykins> yes but when you take too long to get back to me after a simple command, you take too long
[23:25] <daftykins> er, heh repeated myself.
[23:25] <dotpixis> jasabella: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo | advanced setup
[23:26] <jophish__> sure, it's a dell xps 15 9530, daftykins http://termbin.com/abfk
[23:27] <jophish__> that's dmidecode
[23:27] <daftykins> jophish__: do you have a service tag you could share at all? feel free to PM it since it's a tad more sensitive, or i'll try and fudge my way through the Dell site if you'd rather not.
[23:30] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm happy to navigate sites, although I'm not sure what to look for
[23:31] <daftykins> yeah it's kinda quicker for me to do direct :)
[23:31] <LonelyDanbo> I've been having trouble with my old DVD drive. It uses IDE instead of SATA. I was hoping this new motherboard that actually supports old IDE would fix the issue because I had to use an external card on the last motherboard. A DVD disc I put in is not showing up on the left sidebar thing.
[23:31] <daftykins> jophish__: so just the one kernel is in /boot now, so we've got that covered...
[23:32] <jophish__> daftykins: yup
[23:33] <LonelyDanbo> Hm... I have something called "sr0". Any chance that's my DVD drive?
[23:33] <daftykins> jophish__: can you run "dpkg -l | grep bumble" and tell me if it gives any result / nothing?
[23:33] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: it is, sr0 = optical drive
[23:33] <jophish__> daftykins: nothing
[23:33] <LonelyDanbo> ok. good. So ... maybe the drive is just dead.
[23:34] <jophish__> optimus, prime, bumblebee, I'm detecting a pattern here
[23:34] <daftykins> jophish__: good stuff, can you try the second section in the reply for: http://askubuntu.com/questions/691946/how-to-solve-black-screen-problem-after-installing-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-15-1
[23:34] <daftykins> yeah hybrid graphics on Linux is not easy.
[23:34] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: possibly, if the BIOS could boot an ubuntu DVD in there, that'd prove it or not potentially
[23:35] <jophish__> daftykins: install the packages from the graphics-drivers ppa?
[23:35] <LonelyDanbo> hm... sudo lshw -C disk reported a -cdrom status=nodisc. :(
[23:35] <daftykins> jophish__: yeah the three commands then reboot suggested, adding the PPA... installing nvidia-355 and nvidia-prime blah blah
[23:37] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: it's possible the jumper setting on your drive is not in the correct position for the point the ribbon cable plugged into it is at.
[23:37] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: since PATA ribbons have 3 points, a jumper setting of 'master' must be at the end of the cable, 'slave' is the middle - and 'CSEL' or cable select can be either.
[23:37] <LonelyDanbo> daftykins, would a slave/master difference stop it from reporting a disc is present? I used this before. I thought even in a *nix OS.
[23:38] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt to check, but if it were wrong your BIOS would not detect the drive
[23:38] <LonelyDanbo> I think under CrunchBang. on a really ancient motherboard.
[23:38] <LonelyDanbo> but Ubuntu reports I have the drive.
[23:38] <daftykins> yeah, it's a weak try but worth a mention.
[23:38] <daftykins> anyway as i said boot media would rule out it being ubuntu
[23:39] <LonelyDanbo> huh. So a small possibility that Ubuntu could detect it despite the BIOS not detecting it, and this might cause it to be unable to read discs
[23:40] <LonelyDanbo> are you sure northbridge chipsets heatsyncs are supposed to be so hot you can't hold your finger on it for more than a few seconds?
[23:40] <daftykins> no you just need to fault find from the lower levels first :>
[23:40] <jophish__> daftykins: I'm sorry to report no change :(
[23:40] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: 100% sure... 20 years of hardware experience behind that comment.
[23:40] <LonelyDanbo> ah.
[23:40] <daftykins> jophish__: did you say you've got Windows on a dual boot setup on here?
[23:41] <jophish__> daftykins: yeah there's a windows installation
[23:41] <daftykins> jophish__: nice, ok did you see the comments beneath that post on the askubuntu page?
[23:41] <LonelyDanbo> I wish I could hook up a jumper cable from the chipset to my CPU heatsync. It's actually warming the CPU heatsync on the corner closest to it.
[23:41] <daftykins> one user says "i had to use nvidia-352 instead" and also "i had to run sudo prime-select intel before reboot"
[23:41] <jophish__> daftykins: so you're thinking it is some hardware switch
[23:42] <jophish__> that got set to some odd value when I did the REISUB
[23:42] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: i think you need to stop running your hands over everything :P you do know about static right?
[23:42] <daftykins> jophish__: no not even close :)
[23:42] <jophish__> hah, ok!
[23:42] <LonelyDanbo> static's bad even on heatsyncs?
[23:43] <daftykins> well you're poking your hands around in there ;)
[23:44] <LonelyDanbo> I heard PC parts weren't that sensitive to static, and that people paranoid about touching components and connectors with their hands was all for nothing most of the time.
[23:44] <Gazorpazorp> LonelyDanbo, daftykins: On new and important computers or those I handle for other people I am more paranoid about static
[23:45] <LonelyDanbo> Rick & Morty reference name.
[23:45] <Gazorpazorp> LonelyDanbo, daftykins: For my old parts and tinkerstuff I dont give a damn about static and it never resulted in any problems
[23:45] <jophish__> daftykins: this is my xorg.failsafe.log http://termbin.com/3kki From my googling this seems to be symptomatic of an issue with the intel driver
[23:46] <daftykins> jophish__: have you been in the EFI and checked whether there are any graphics options for picking device / anything at all?
[23:46] <daftykins> LonelyDanbo: yes and no, carelessness can definitely cost
[23:47] <daftykins> and some people are more staticy than others (seriously)
[23:47] <jophish__> daftykins: checking now
[23:47] <Gazorpazorp> LonelyDanbo, daftykins: a lot of intel laptop boards have their cpu safety shutoff temp at 100°C, with an EC that doesnt really bother to turn up the fan before 90°C
[23:47] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: LonelyDanbo's is an AMD system.
[23:47] <bprompt> LonelyDanbo: had a flatbed scanner once, the twain drivers were saying that there was some error, I checked the cabling, scanner was fine, cable was fine, reloaded the drivers, OS was fine, and the twain drivers were still throwing the connection error, in the end the fix was, "unplug the usb cable from the pc for 30secs, plug it back in", then it worked, issue was built-up static in the cable plug
[23:47] <jophish__> daftykins: nothing in the bios
[23:47] <Gazorpazorp> LonelyDanbo, daftykins: and the worst ones have cpu and gpu on the same heatpipe while the gpu cant handle 90-100 that good
[23:48] <daftykins> jophish__: ok, did you try purging the 355, trying again with the 352 and issuing the earlier prime-select command before reboot?
[23:49] <daftykins> Gazorpazorp: that'd be a laptop, this is a desktop - totally irrelevant i'm afraid.
[23:50] <jophish__> daftykins: I tried that without installing the older driver, trying the purge/reinstall now
[23:50] <daftykins> rightyo
[23:50] <Gazorpazorp> LonelyDanbo, daftykins: my amd 890fx board with fan and extra southbridge heatpipe. it is roomtemp on the board itself, the cpu goes from 40-70°C depending on fan setting and the heatsinks get hot but not burning hot
[23:52] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm using an apple magic mouse
[23:52] <daftykins> i understand your input, but you might be in the antarctic whilst LonelyDanbo could be in $somewhere_hot :)
[23:52] <bumblefuzz> and I'm trying to set up natural scrolling
[23:52] <LonelyDanbo> Nah. I'm in Canada.
[23:52] <daftykins> the specifics miss the point ;)
[23:52] <bumblefuzz> it works fine with the trackpad but I can't get ther mouse to do natural scrolling
[23:53] <LonelyDanbo> Maybe I need to get my case fan blowing in the side, half of it hitting the northbridge heatsync.
[23:53] <daftykins> case cooling is always important, yes
[23:53] <LonelyDanbo> then maybe move the CPU fan on the other side closer to the exhaust port so I don't have to put a 2nd case fan blowing out.
[23:54] <LonelyDanbo> I hear exhaust is more important than input
[23:54] <daftykins> however spending time on this hypothesis of yours when i've provided steps to take to fault find, is really just wasting all of our time
[23:54] <daftykins> yes.
[23:55] <daftykins> don't mess with the fan on the heatsink, also take this topic to ##hardware if you wouldn't mind
[23:55] <LonelyDanbo> I installed Steam but I need to make an account.
[23:55] <jophish__> hmm, booting is taking a lot longer this time
[23:55] <Austin__Wall> Having a weird issue where text is partially missing on some menus
[23:55] <Austin__Wall> http://imgur.com/a/q1QW4
[23:56] <LonelyDanbo> Native Linux game {Steam} or Windows was your suggestion.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:56] <daftykins> correctamundo
[23:56] <daftykins> hi
[23:56] <Austin__Wall> Running ubuntu 15.04
[23:57] <daftykins> Austin__Wall: graphics hardware + driver?
[23:58] <Austin__Wall> I'm using the default ubuntu graphics driver. I had the nvidia one but after a reboot the system was unable to find any screens
[23:58] <daftykins> ah har, can you share a "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" ? it'll create a URL to paste here.
[23:59] <Austin__Wall> Me?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.833558
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"AbuDhar",
"AfterDarkness",
"AlexPortable",
"AnakinSky",
"AnimalFarmPig",
"AsuraLie",
"Austin__Wall",
"BLACKLIVESMATTER",
"Barxilinsay",
"Bashing-om",
"BluesKaj",
"Brennan_",
"Charcoal1ire",
"Charcoalfire",
"Charcoalflame",
"Cinnamon",
"CorrosiveEye",
"Crazyzufer",
"EriC^^",
"Exagone313",
"Extreminador",
"Gazorpazorp",
"Guest13011",
"Guest16081",
"Guest27384",
"Guest40612",
"Guest57587",
"Guest72802",
"Guest93333",
"HL521",
"Kartagis",
"KlausedSource",
"LMKY",
"Li",
"LobsterAttack",
"LonelyDanbo",
"MoPac",
"MonkeyDust",
"NEXUS-6",
"OerHeks",
"OneM_Industries",
"Porfa",
"Qasker",
"R7677",
"RNeville",
"Redblue",
"Renzadic",
"Safa_[A_boy]",
"SchrodingersScat",
"SeriouslyLaugh",
"Seven_Six_Two",
"SlidingHorn",
"Smn",
"SolyHit",
"SonikkuAmerica",
"TJ-",
"Tam",
"Tashtari",
"Techspectre",
"TheAmorphous",
"Tumulte",
"Twinkletoes",
"UnArmed",
"UnwantedAngel",
"UserUzer",
"VsyachePuz",
"Zuly",
"_nemesys",
"akik",
"amrox253",
"anukul",
"arallen",
"artemmikheev",
"asd__",
"auronandace",
"badbodh",
"bartholomew",
"batfastad",
"bazhang",
"bekks",
"bluenemo",
"bmx_",
"bprompt",
"bumblefuzz",
"c0m0",
"cfhowlett",
"cotix",
"d31anon",
"daftykins",
"davidsha",
"davidsha_",
"dbugger",
"delete",
"delt",
"dfrey",
"diewlowenstein",
"disposable",
"dotpixis",
"ed_1",
"elisa87",
"erry",
"fabio",
"fearnothing",
"finetundra",
"finexbeer",
"finexbeer_",
"fontdpi",
"foo357",
"gagalicious",
"guest10121",
"hateball",
"henkz",
"hexhaxtron",
"hfp",
"hispeed67",
"ikonia",
"inf3rn4l",
"jake__",
"jasabella",
"jiggerypokery",
"jmargo",
"jophish",
"jophish__",
"jpds",
"jwtiyar",
"jwtiyar_",
"jyoti",
"k1l_",
"kostas_",
"kubast2",
"lcmatt",
"littlebear",
"lmj",
"loa",
"logan_",
"logglog",
"londoncalling",
"lotuspsychje",
"m000gle",
"m0kc",
"m0tz",
"ma77spag",
"macsurf",
"malimbar",
"martman",
"mcphail",
"medlizerd",
"mekhami",
"memoryleak",
"mfaroukg",
"miroesq",
"momomo",
"mschurenko",
"mustard",
"nasanzero_",
"nbusrone",
"newbie|3",
"newke",
"nils_",
"noah",
"ntz",
"obonto",
"pataters",
"pax78",
"ph8",
"pike-c-code",
"r_rios",
"regum",
"remii",
"rosanna",
"rypervenche",
"s1906",
"scrat`",
"sebsebseb",
"shingbling",
"skweek",
"sruli",
"steven",
"suaveolentiam",
"sudo3",
"suprkain",
"sylwek",
"taza79",
"teward",
"tilpner",
"topunxer",
"trisquel",
"troulouliou_div2",
"ubuntu-mate",
"ubuntu384",
"ubuntu505",
"utu8o",
"uxes",
"viktor",
"whitelion",
"wizzkidd",
"xar-",
"zykotick9",
"zzo38"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-cn
|
[00:27] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • 网站TTL值？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474085 http://www.cnblogs.com/daxian2012/archi ... 54126.html 在终端输出N次命令：dig +nocmd forum.ubuntu.org.cn MX +noall +answer 但是，网站：forum.ubuntu.org.cn ，其TTL值没有任何输出内容。 是什么原因？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-27 8:27
[00:42] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 用什么命令，截取全屏图片？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474086 ？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-27 8:42
[00:47] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • live usb 注销问题？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474087 live usb (ubuntu12.04 lts) 注销时，它显示下面2个东东： ubuntu ubuntu 2D 它们是什么？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-27 8:45
[01:04] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu错误报告 • 安装软件提示 无法下载 大小不符 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474088 system : 15.10 命令安装软件提示 无法下载 大小不符 软件中心安装提示 ：下载软件包文件失败，检查你的网络连接。 详细信息 Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/u ... _amd64.deb Size mis
[01:04] <^k^> ─> match zz: CasanovaLee — 2015-11-27 9:04
[01:15] <SwordCN> 请问 ag 和 ack-grep是什么
[01:41] <^k^> 新 Debian发行版 • debian sid 大量mutter警告STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE，导致卡顿如何解决？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474089 近日安装debian sid。安装完成后打开一些软件运行，非常卡顿。检查/var/log目录下，存在巨大尺寸的user.log，messages和syslog，达到近2G。 内容都是重复的 Nov 27 09:28:32
[01:41] <^k^> ─> debian gnome-session[1267]: (gnome-shell:1488): mutter-WARNING **: STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE: window 0x6e01000015 not in …
[02:28] <Janos_> still no1 here?
[04:24] <onlylove> http://top.jobbole.com/30679/
[04:24] <ubrl> onlylove: ⇪ 只卖 5 美元！树莓派新品体积更小性能更高 - 头条 - 伯乐在线
[04:24] <onlylove> 这东西……
[04:43] <yunfan> 贵国要建基地了 额
[04:54] <onlylove> yunfan: 看5刀的那个respberry0
[04:55] <onlylove> 这种卡片PC，虽然想买个玩，但是最终发现自己太笨，玩不转
[04:56] <nyfair> 没时间啊
[04:56] <nyfair> 这么多游戏等着我玩
[04:59] <onlylove> 牛牛求送游戏
[05:00] <onlylove> 你们那些编程很好，还有空余时间游戏，到底怎么做到的！
[05:01] <onlylove> test
[05:01] <ubrl> onlylove:点点点. 12:58
[05:03] <onlylove> nyfair: 牛牛，这几天迷上了逛知乎，怎么办啊
[05:04] <nyfair> 注册个帐号去装逼，装了几次后你自然会戒掉了
[05:05] <nyfair> onlylove: 或者去看avfun文章区，三天两头黑知乎
[05:05] <onlylove> 知乎里面确实有些让人想拍桌子点赞的答案
[05:05] <onlylove> 其实就是神吐槽而已……
[05:09] <onlylove> 嗯，去A岛转转去
[05:12] <onlylove> http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/744041926476563172.html
[05:12] <ubrl> onlylove: ⇪ 塑料饭盒上面的油洗不掉怎么办？_百度知道
[05:27] <onlylove> nyfair: 我记得知乎貌似是微软的阵地？很多微软技术狂热粉丝？
[05:32] <yunfan> onlylove: 配置还不如当初一代呢
[05:32] <yunfan> onlylove: 我也天天看知乎 不过看起来知乎小众的方向不多
[05:35] <onlylove> 手机又没电自动关机了
[05:35] <onlylove> yunfan: 一代就256内存吧
[05:35] <onlylove> yunfan: U的主频也是不到1g
[05:35] <gfxmode> 今天又周五了，又写了一周的C++
[05:36] <yunfan> onlylove: 我想用全志的
[05:48] <onlylove> 我只是单纯的把浏览器换成英文的，昨天还pass的，今天就和我玩崩溃？
[06:16] <^k^> 新 字体美化和中文支持 • 通过TeamViewer远程连接Ubuntu桌面时候，输入法中英文输入问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474092 通过远程桌面连接了Ubuntu桌面，在需要按住Shift键输入的字符时候（比如标点符号，感叹号，下划线等），会出现第一次输入为中文，下一次输入为中文
[06:16] <^k^> ─> 的情况。 比如当前状态是英文输入，我需要输入一个下划线，则会按住Shift键然后按下“ …
[06:34] <yurakucho> MangHuo: cherrot http://haitao.smzdm.com/p/367271/
[06:34] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 下午4点开始:Google 谷歌 Nexus 6 XT1103 32GB 手机 $199.99（约￥1400）_海淘单品_海淘专区_什么值得买
[06:34] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 没有靠谱转运呢
[06:34] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 有
[06:34] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 哪家
[06:34] <yurakucho> 太大了 否则真想买
[06:35] <Janos_> hi all
[06:35] <ubrl> Janos_:点点点. 14:32
[06:35] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 转运四方, 专门有手机电脑的快速通道, 略贵 但是三四天周期
[06:35] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 买不起啊
[06:52] <MangHuo> yurakucho: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.OX4hRp&id=521246394338&cm_id=140105335569ed55e27b&abbucket=4
[06:52] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 买了个这个
[06:52] <ubrl> MangHuo: ⇪ 金胜 M2 NGFF 转USB3.0移动硬盘盒 SSD固态硬盘盒 NGFF SSD 2280-tmall.com天猫
[06:52] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 速度挺快的
[06:56] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 你买了个ssd?
[06:56] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 这就得赞良心甲方了
[06:57] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 还是贵司爽啊
[06:58] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 这下就有 256 的玩了
[07:22] <MangHuo> linode 咋不打折呢
[07:24] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 因为电费和网费不打折，机房费用也不打折
[07:35] <MangHuo> 李老板呢
[07:41] <nyfair> 李老板被isis抓了
[07:46] <nyfair> http://hacfun-tv.n1.yun.tf:8999/Public/Upload/image/2015-11-26/5656abde28a89.png
[07:46] <ubrl> nyfair: ⇪ image/png
[08:17] <^k^> 新 软件推荐 • AlphaDict 词典软件 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474093 大家好，我是一个开源软件开发者，目前开发了一个词典软件，希望大家喜欢。 大家可以从下面两个地址，得到源代码， 代码主要是依赖 qt5 和 libboost. source forge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/alphadict/ git hub: http
[08:17] <^k^> ─> s://github.com/kartorz/AlphaDict 目前是1.3版本，基本的词典功能都已经做完了。 特点如下： . Al …
[08:20] <nyfair> 你们肿么看，比大和尚的玩具好用否？
[08:44] <onlylove> 前两天mozilla刚说不要google钱了，今天就在英文版Firefox上看到要用户donate
[08:45] <cherrotluo> 为啥不要google钱
[08:48] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46314
[08:48] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | Mozilla表示不再需要Google的钱了
[09:48] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • 用什么命令，检测DNS污染？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474094 ？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-27 17:47
[10:45] <freeflying> 现在都没人参与ubuntu社区的事情了啊
[12:09] * botK 2.6.32-042stab102.9 #1 SMP Fri Dec 19 20:34:40 MSK 2014 Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [i686-linux]
[12:54] <Freebuilder> 吼吼，今晚 IRC 服务器是怎么了？
[12:54] <Freebuilder> 论坛也打不开
[12:57] <Ueno_Otoko> 我也是一样
[12:57] <Ueno_Otoko> 国际线路大幅劣化
[12:59] <Ueno_Otoko> It's just you. http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn is up.
[13:00] <^k^> jiero: 拜壕
[13:01] <Freebuilder> 卧槽
[13:01] <Freebuilder> 我换了国内的 DNS，论坛就能上去了
[13:04] <yunfan> Freebuilder: 可能是黑5 流量激增 就像春节
[13:04] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 我的kompozer无法安装 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474095 我下载了kompozer-0.8b3.lt.gcc4.2-i686，解压后是一个kompozer文件夹，但是之后如何安装我就不懂了。网上也没找到安装方法 zz: zoulinux — 2015-11-27 20:59
[13:40] <AsuraLie> 我想问个问题
[13:40] <AsuraLie> 文件截断的目的是啥
[13:42] <Freebuilder> 具体问题具体分析
[13:44] <AsuraLie> @Freebuilder 什么情况下会用到？尤其是截小，会导致数据丢失啊
[13:44] <Freebuilder> 磁盘空间不足
[13:45] <AsuraLie> 那为啥不删除呢？
[13:45] <Freebuilder> 我哪知道
[13:45] <Freebuilder> 大概损失一部分数据总比损失全部要好吧
[13:46] <AsuraLie> 但是对于压缩包之类的，截断了还是会造成损坏而无法使用啊
[13:49] <AsuraLie> @CyrusYzGTt 大神能解释下不
[13:51] <CyrusYzGTt> split
[13:52] <AsuraLie> 但是被截断的后面数据不是丢失了吗
[13:55] <AsuraLie> @CyrusYzGTt 文件截小后面的数据不是丢失了吗？
[13:56] <^k^> 新 办公、图像、机械电子设计等 • 什么软件可以将多张png图片合成视频？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474096 Thanks inadvance！ zz: thorium — 2015-11-27 21:55
[14:10] <CyrusYzGTt> AsuraLie§ ,, 不清楚，如果是压缩，压缩的时候有参数，自动分包的
[14:10] <^k^> 新 C/C++/Java • 如何精确修改文件的某字节 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474097 比如把文件的某字节改成'a' 或者清空。不用 cut 命令，直接编程，要用 C 语言的什么函数？ zz: iamcook84 — 2015-11-27 22:09
[14:43] <onlylove> yunfan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13526883/
[14:44] <onlylove> yunfan: 就这点要求，15K，眼睛都不眨，intel土豪啊
[14:48] <^k^> 逛了一下论坛,暂时无新贴.
[15:02] <onlylove> yunfan: 老实说，这工作很动心，不过，和我的计划有冲突
[15:45] <onlylove> 今天复习pxe
[15:45] <onlylove> 都快忘干净了
[15:53] <onlylove_> 喵咪咪的，这reset频率几个意思
[23:57] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 可以录像功能的软件？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474106 可以把使用电脑的所有动作都录制下来，保存在一文件中。 zz: Qubun — 2015-11-28 7:43
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.868431
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"AsuraLie",
"CyrusYzGTt",
"Freebuilder",
"Janos_",
"MangHuo",
"SwordCN",
"Ueno_Otoko",
"^k^",
"botK",
"cherrotluo",
"freeflying",
"gfxmode",
"nyfair",
"onlylove",
"onlylove_",
"ubrl",
"yunfan",
"yurakucho"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-cn.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-cn"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-app-devel
|
[00:19] <popey> snizzo, the xdg app folders don't get created by anything other than qt I believe
[00:19] <popey> snizzo, my sdl games don't make them, I make them
[00:25] <popey> snizzo, if you need someone to test on a device, just ping, I'm often around and happy to help
[00:27] <popey> snizzo, your app fails here, white screen....
[00:27] <popey> snizzo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13520746/
[00:27] <ahayzen> popey, that's cause your on rc-proposed ;-)
[00:27] <popey> ah
[00:27] <ahayzen> its now onItemRemoved as per Qt upstream
[00:27] <popey> oh dear
[00:28] <popey> we're breaking developer apps?
[00:28] <ahayzen> popey, snizzo is using the bgplaylists, before they are fully implemented ;-)
[00:28] <popey> oh :D
[00:28] <ahayzen> :-)
[00:28] <ahayzen> anything Jim and co are doing has been approved by Qt upstream so its all cool :-)
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[09:59] <mcphail> snizzo: still no directory created under ~/.local/share on the e4.5
[13:09] <popey> dholbach, clock app uploaded to store if you wouldn't mind reviewing pls :)
[13:38] <dholbach> popey, looking
[13:38] <popey> thanks
[16:34] <snizzo> popey: big question: can I create those folders via qt?
[16:34] <snizzo> I (my app) should have write permission on this folder right?
[16:37] <popey> snizzo, I don't know about doing it via qt, sorry
[16:38] <popey> snizzo, in my app, I launch "run.sh" which does all the setup, then launches the app
[16:38] <snizzo> ah
[16:38] <popey> and I ship busybox which does the mkdir
[16:43] <snizzo> popey: wait... hm can you explain better? You ship a busybox executable that does mkdir? Is that permitted?
[16:43] <popey> sure is
[16:44] <popey> make a directory called lib/<arch-triplet>/bin and put busybox in it
[16:44] <popey> then ln -s busybox mkdir
[16:44] <popey> then from your run.sh you can call mkdir and it will be found in that directory
[16:45] <popey> or just stick it in the root directory of your project and call it as "./mkdir ~/.cache/appname.devname/"
[16:47] <mcphail> Doesn't that trigger a click error?
[16:48] * mcphail vaguely remembers some click error about absolute paths
[17:54] <davmor2> ahayzen, popey: for the browser tests I buy a single track from an album from 7 digital, my particular album currently is Tubular bells. Does it play in rhythmbox on xenial does it boat plays the first track and then starts playing fatboy slim, does it work on the phone hell yes :)
[17:55] <davmor2> one up for the music app me thinks
[17:55] <popey> \o/
[17:55] <ahayzen> \o/
[18:40] <davmor2> popey, ahayzen: I think it is broken it only shows rain.....oh wait no I'm in England
[18:40] <ahayzen> :-P
[18:41] <ahayzen> you had the totally random massive rainstorm for like 5mins as well then?
[18:42] <davmor2> ahayzen: nope still going has been for about 30 minutes
[18:42] <davmor2> or more
[18:42] <ahayzen> ah
[18:43] * ahayzen spots the band that just flooded Oxford http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/observation/rainfall-radar even has pink bits in it!
[18:44] <davmor2> ahayzen: yeah the thick Yellow and red bit that would Wolverhampton
[18:45] <ahayzen> lol
[18:46] <davmor2> still san francisco to the rescue they have sun
[18:51] * davmor2 is still gobsmacked by the carpark out side from people going into town for black friday from work
[18:51] <davmor2> I say carpark it is one of the main roads into town
[20:41] <NEXUS-6> Have anybody problems with the last java upate on ubuntu 15.10? I have problems with netbeans
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.873818
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"NEXUS-6",
"ahayzen",
"davmor2",
"dholbach",
"mcphail",
"popey",
"snizzo"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-app-devel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-app-devel"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-devel
|
[05:34] <Guest8846> Good morning
[05:34] <Guest8846> err
[06:12] <Unit193> pitti_: Looking for /msg nickserv releaes pitti <password> ?
[06:12] <pitti_> Unit193: no, looking for what causes "read(fd=4): Connection error: Connection reset by peer" with bip when trying to connect to freenode..
[06:13] <pitti_> I'm connected directly now, I keep "pitti" for bip when it starts succeeding again
[06:14] <pitti_> Unit193: well, I tried that now, maybe it's related
[06:21] <pitti> ah thanks, that was it!
[06:22] <Unit193> ...Weeeird, well that's bip for you I guess.
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:59] <caribou> DDOS on Freenode this morning
[09:48] <cpaelzer> it seems I have to add debian/compat for a merge (as documented in man debhelper)
[09:48] <cpaelzer> with xenial my sbuild and man debhelper are telling me to add a debian/compat but it also wants "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9)"
[09:48] <cpaelzer> Now this package doesn't have debhelper as a dependency yet, only dh-autoreconf.
[09:49] <cpaelzer> Would it be more sufficient to add the (>= 9) to dh-autoreconf instead of adding debhelper?
[09:49] <pitti> dh-autoreconf depends on debhelper
[09:49] <pitti> dh-autoreconf (>= 9) doesn't change anything in that regard
[09:50] <cpaelzer> pitti, thanks that solves my thoughts, so I can add "debhelper (>= 9)" without actually adding a new dep
[09:50] <pitti> so if you set debian/compat to 9, you have to b-dep on debhelper (>= 9) too; or use a lower compat level (but at least 7 please)
[09:50] <pitti> cpaelzer: yes; it's irrelevant for xenial, but important for backports and the like
[12:16] <jamespage> mvo, hey - are you aware of any issues with apt 1.1 in Debian unstable? all my sid chroots starting failing to update last night - stalling on '0% [Working]'
[12:16] <jamespage> I tried a downgrade to the 1.0 release and that unblocked me for now
[12:27] <cjwatson> jamespage: Would it be possible for somebody to have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/xz-indexes/+merge/277880 ? The CI failures don't make any sense to me (testbed problems?), and it'll need a charmer to review and merge
[12:27] <jamespage> cjwatson, taking a look now
[12:29] <jamespage> cjwatson, urgh the logs cycled out on the archiving policy on the review-queue jenkins - poking with a resubmit but I can't see why your change would cause a failure....
[12:29] <cjwatson> indeed
[12:47] <mvo> jamespage: yes, fix is in git
[12:47] <mvo> jamespage: I will upload that later today (in ~2-3h)
[12:56] <cjwatson> doko: I just noticed by accident, when you tried to enable seccomp on all arches in qemu/wily, you actually ended up disabling it on all arches - because the magic "parse configure options out of debian/control" thing in qemu wants "linux-*" on the --enable-seccomp line there, not "linux-any"
[12:56] <cjwatson> hallyn_: ^-
[12:57] <cjwatson> still true in xenial as well by the looks of things
[13:01] <didrocks> @pilot in
[13:51] <cjwatson> doko,hallyn_: also, qemu's configure script has seccomp detection hardcoded to only work on x86 anyway ...
[13:59] <doko> cjwatson, I'll have a look on Monday
[14:02] <mvo> doko: will you (or anyone else) hate me if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/13526521/ ? i.e. add UBUNTU_CODENAME to /etc/os-release?
[14:03] <doko> mvo, hmm, maybe we could coordinate with Debian to use the same name for this var? isn't that owned by systemd maintainers/ pitti?
[14:04] <doko> mvo, will you merge apt?
[14:04] <ogra_> into snappy !
[14:04] <ogra_> :)
[14:05] <juliank> Maybe delay the APT merge for ~24 hours, we still discover issues in reverse dependencies.
[14:05] <mvo> doko: are you trying to make a deal with me? like "you can have UBUNTU_CODENAME= if you merge apt" ;)?
[14:05] <mvo> doko: but yeah, I have a merge ready
[14:05] <mvo> doko: https://launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/ubuntu/apt-xenial has it mostly prepared, its now a bit dated because of $OMG (as juliank said)
[14:06] <juliank> mvo: You can also sync libept 1.1+nmu2 as soon as it is in unstable
[14:06] <juliank> Well, with the rest of the APT stuff
[14:07] <mvo> doko: but yeah, I can wait for pitti and his opinion on http://paste.ubuntu.com/13526521/
[14:07] <doko> mvo: well, I'd like to see something more like DISTRO_CODENAME
[14:07] <ogra_> cat pics ?
[14:07] <juliank> maybe DISTRO_SHORT_CODENAME or something
[14:07] <mvo> doko: I think that would make sense, however the freedesktop spec recommends prefixing with $distro if its not an official key. but then… it does make sense
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: seems okay, but you can't rely on it in earlier releases, so for the time being we'd still need an lsb_release -sc fallback
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: long-term that seems fine, though
[14:08] <ogra_> mvo, we might also wnat a snappy specific key too ... currently there is no easy way to find you are in a snappy system
[14:08] <pitti> yes, DISTRO_SHORT_CODENAME should rather be added to the spec itself first (certainly preferrable)
[14:08] <ogra_> (iirc there was a bug open for that)
[14:09] <pitti> ogra_: `which snappy` or so? which bears the question, what a "snappy system" actually is
[14:09] <ogra_> pitti, a system totally without dpkg :)
[14:10] <pitti> snappy installed? dpkg not installed? classic env on snappy? snappy env on classic? etc.
[14:11] <ogra_> pitti, mvo bug 1481086
[14:11] <juliank> UBUNTU_SNAPPY=true
[14:12] <ogra_> yeah, that would be fine
[14:14] <juliank> You could also try upstreaming DISTRO_PACKAGE_TYPE={deb,rpm,snappy,...}
[14:14] <juliank> or something like that
[14:15] <juliank> Maybe someone has a use for that
[14:15] <pitti> ogra_: so, Fedora? :-)
[14:15] <ogra_> hah
[14:15] <pitti> nah, this is too convoluted
[14:16] <pitti> there's no reason in principle why you couldn't have more than one
[14:16] <pitti> if you want to use dpkg or snappy, check for dpkg or snappy, let's not try to do abstractions where they don't make much sense
[14:16] <xnox> mvo, there is a new codename things in os-release no?!
[14:17] <mvo> xnox: since when? do you have a pointer?
[14:17] <mvo> xnox: and WELCOME BACK, really good to see you
[14:17] <xnox> well. i think i mixed it up a little.
[14:18] <xnox> there is new VARIANT= and VARIANT_ID= which fedora uses for desktop/server et.al. and i guess for us maps to "desktop/kubuntu/xubuntu/etc."
[14:18] <xnox> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html
[14:18] <xnox> and there is also CPE_NAME=
[14:18] <xnox> http://scap.nist.gov/specifications/cpe/
[14:18] <juliank> Well, if you wanted VARIANT, you could not have it in base-files anymore
[14:18] <xnox> example is given as "CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:fedoraproject:fedora:17"" but i don't know if we want that.
[14:18] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, that is why i mentioned VARIAND and VARIANT_ID in treh bug
[14:19] <ogra_> seems sabdfl didnt like that though
[14:19] <ogra_> wanting something stronger
[14:19] <xnox> mvo, i'd vote to use VARIANT='Xenial Xerus' and VARIANT_ID=xenial
[14:19] <juliank> Don't do that
[14:19] <xnox> =)
[14:20] <juliank> Maybe the best option is actually to introduce DISTRO_CODENAME and DISTRO_PRETTY_CODENAME
[14:21] <xnox> CODENAME= & CODENAME_ID sounds good to me.
[14:21] <juliank> That'd work too
[14:21] <xnox> mvo, do you need it in /etc/os-release? we already have
[14:21] <xnox> DISTRIB_CODENAME=wily in /etc/lsb-release
[14:21] <ogra_> xnox, lsb-release depnds on python
[14:22] <ogra_> long term we want to dorop that from the snappy image
[14:22] <juliank> Is the file there too?
[14:22] <ogra_> yes
[14:22] <juliank> Why not move that to base-files?
[14:22] <ogra_> os-release is in base-files
[14:22] <xnox> the file is there.... it's not meant to be parsed directly, however in snappy case i don't see why not =)
[14:23] <ogra_> xnox, why would we, os-release is a req. od systemd anyway
[14:23] <juliank> Right.
[14:23] <ogra_> *of
[14:23] <xnox> ogra_, fyi /etc/lsb-release file is in base-files and always has been.
[14:23] <ogra_> so no need for lsb-release at all
[14:23] <ogra_> oh, thanks
[14:23] * ogra_ wasnt sure where it actually comes from
[14:24] <juliank> ogra_: It at least seems like a good workaround until it's in os-release, and usable on old releases too
[14:24] <xnox> i'm not talking about lsb-release package, or lsb_release programme =)
[14:32] <xnox> jpds, are you planning to merge strongswan? debian is at 5.3.4-1 and we are at 5.1.2-0ubuntu7
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> Unit193, https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-virtualbox/virtualbox.git/commit/?id=328a07c9e74d831a64f5f95294ac020a23c32966
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> the problem is that it doesn't work
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#unstable/virtualbox/5.0.10-dfsg-4/piuparts
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> also lintian complains... I had to revert the change, but if you have a trick I'll be happy to apply it
[15:15] <caribou> what would be a good way to debug ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} expansion ?
[15:16] <caribou> LP: #1506550 is caused by a different expansion b/w Debian & Ubuntu
[15:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks didrocks :)
[15:27] <didrocks> LocutusOfBorg1: yw, thanks to you ;)
[15:27] <LocutusOfBorg1> I really hope next time to use requestsync pbuilder ;)
[15:27] <LocutusOfBorg1> mapreri, ^^^ :D
[15:28] <didrocks> LocutusOfBorg1: that would be great, indeed!
[15:44] <hallyn_> cjwatson: hm, yeah, that should be fixed upstream
[15:48] <hallyn_> (qemu, seccomp detection in configure)
[15:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> mvo, what about an apt plain sync?
[16:00] <mddubs> Hi all, anyone online who's contributed to the codebase before?
[16:03] <brendand> mddubs, just a few of us :)
[16:03] <brendand> mddubs, do you have a question, please feel free to ask it
[16:04] <mddubs> OK thanks :)
[16:06] <mddubs> I want the alt-tab switcher to always appear in my center primary monitor, or all monitors. I can't get used to it always moving around depending on where the mouse is.
[16:07] <mddubs> I've searched pretty extensively and don't think there's currently a way to resolve this, so I thought over the holidays I'd attempt to contribute that. I have 10 years open-source web development experience and I'd really like to try committing something small to a large project like this.
[16:08] <mddubs> So I'm looking for a little direction, I realize Ubuntu itself might not be the place to make the change. Unity? Compiz? Any advice would be appreciated.
[16:10] <didrocks> @pilot out
[16:10] * dholbach hugs didrocks
[16:12] <mvo> LocutusOfBorg1: we still have a small delta, I hope I can kill that but right now it still exists
[16:12] * didrocks hugs dholbach back
[16:13] <dholbach> :)
[16:15] <seb128> didrocks, good job! ;-)
[16:16] <mvo> LocutusOfBorg1: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=ubuntu/master has the details, not much left to merge upstream
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> indeed, I looked at the current apt in xenial (the delta)
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> and it was "droppable" to me
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> I didn't think about a new delta lol
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks!
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> I really like the new apt
[16:54] <brendand> mddubs2, i'm pretty sure that can be set
[16:54] <brendand> mddubs2, ah you said the alt-tab switcher
[17:56] <lamont> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13529194/ is why I care about ibus
[17:56] <lamont> (intellij)
[17:57] <seb128> but I would expect you to use a qwerty keybord and no im?
[17:57] <seb128> or is ibus used even for non-im users?
[17:58] <lamont> seb128: I think it is... dunno. my keyboard lang choices in the pull down are "English"
[17:59] <seb128> lamont, is ibus active? does intellij works if you kill ibus-daemon?
[17:59] <seb128> lamont, anyway happyaron said he has the merge ready and he would upload this w.e
[18:01] <lamont> pycharm .
[18:01] <lamont> log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (io.netty.util.internal.logging.InternalLoggerFactory).
[18:01] <lamont> log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly.
[18:01] <lamont> log4j:WARN See http://logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/faq.html#noconfig for more info.
[18:01] <lamont> [ 17554] WARN - ConfigurableExtensionPointUtil - ignore deprecated groupId: editor for id: editor.preferences.import
[18:01] <lamont> now it just locks up without the intellij errors... I thin kwe can call this progress
[20:06] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg1: It's a nice start, but yeah it usually needs a few args, for example the init script I'm using sources /etc/default/virtualbox, where you need to set the user to that which uses virtualbox. You can also set host there, which is needed if, say phpvirtualbox is on a different host on the network.
[23:04] <slangasek> @pilot in
[23:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> Unit193, can you please push the changes on virtualbox.git repo?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.889614
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Guest8846",
"LocutusOfBorg1",
"Unit193",
"brendand",
"caribou",
"cjwatson",
"cpaelzer",
"dholbach",
"didrocks",
"doko",
"hallyn_",
"jamespage",
"juliank",
"lamont",
"mddubs",
"mvo",
"ogra_",
"pitti",
"pitti_",
"seb128",
"slangasek",
"xnox"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-ops
|
[14:08] <ikonia> hello marcustomlinson
[14:08] <marcustomlinson> ikonia: hey
[14:10] <ikonia> have you joined the ops team marcustomlinson ?
[14:10] <marcustomlinson> ooh sorry
[14:10] <marcustomlinson> I was supposed to leave :P
[14:10] <ikonia> no problem, no problem
[14:10] <ikonia> saw you join a few times and wondered if you'd joined us
[14:10] <ikonia> or if you just needed something
[14:10] <marcustomlinson> I assume that's what you were going to say? :P
[14:11] <ikonia> if there is nothing you need, sure, no need to idle, but if you want something or need something, just let us know how we can help you
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.899017
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ikonia",
"marcustomlinson"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-ops.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ops"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-arm
|
[20:57] <JerryS> Hi, all. I'm looking for current instructions on how to build an armhf boot image.
[20:57] <JerryS> This needs to run under QEMU.
[20:57] <JerryS> I have the system cross-compiled, but am lost on how to create the boot image.
[20:58] <JerryS> I'm not finding any good current instructions on the web.
[20:58] <JerryS> Can anyone give me a lead?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.900345
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JerryS"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-arm.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-arm"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-mythtv
|
[15:32] <jarnos> I wonder why aspect ratio of video changes, if I enable another display?
[16:28] <jarnos> Bug #1520643
[16:28] <Zinn> Bug 1520643 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Aspect ratio of video playback becomes invalid, if extended desktop is used" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/1520643
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.903127
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Zinn",
"jarnos"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-mythtv.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-mythtv"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-cm
|
[13:35] <saoungoumi> .
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.904680
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"saoungoumi"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-cm.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-cm"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-ar
|
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> Canal #birras en irc.freenode.org ‚ėÖ GNU Offtopic + idle hands ‚ėÖ Libertad, Igualdad y Fraternidad ^_^ ‚ô¨ http:/‚Äč/‚Äčradio.‚Äčnashgul.‚Äčcom.‚Äčes:8000/birras ‚ėÖ
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> :P
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> qué pasó acá viejo
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> se fueron todos a arch
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> o qué
[02:39] <LikeVinyl> ^_^
[17:44] <zeroadrenaline> veo que soy el √ļnico de guardia hoy... :S
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.922533
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"LikeVinyl",
"zeroadrenaline"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-ar.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ar"
}
|
2015-11-27-#launchpad
|
[18:56] <tsimonq2> are there any major restrictions to using the LP logo in a LoCo page?
[22:37] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: The logo licence is linked from https://help.launchpad.net/Legal
[22:37] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: But it should be fine if you're using it to refer to Launchpad
[22:38] <tsimonq2> ok, thanks
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.924786
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"cjwatson",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23launchpad.txt",
"channel": "#launchpad"
}
|
2015-11-27-#kubuntu
|
[02:33] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: hey, I got a hangout request yesterday when I wasn't around, was I needed for something?
[03:07] <ausername> okay so on my computer I have two has ddrives one harddrive with wndoze 7 and the other linux, I though I was able to just hit f10 to select bootmenu from bios to select harddrive to boot from but linux overwrote MBR and now i have to go thru grub? how do I have windows reinstall its own mbr?
[03:45] <rafael> hi
[03:45] <rafael> I need help
[03:46] <Guest96132> I just install kubuntu on toshiba laptop
[03:46] <Guest96132> but after install finish
[03:46] <Guest96132> restart the machine
[03:47] <Guest96132> and when it will initialize
[03:47] <Guest96132> it say that dont have os
[03:49] <ahoneybun> Guest96132: sounds like you did not install grub right
[03:50] <ahoneybun> can you boot back into the usb/dvd and choose the live option
[03:52] <Guest96132> yes
[03:52] <Guest96132> I am installing via USB
[03:52] <Guest96132> I do a research and seem like be grub
[03:52] <Guest96132> error
[03:53] <Guest96132> I am following this tuto http://askubuntu.com/questions/420005/cannot-add-ppa-ppayannubuntu-boot-repair
[03:53] <Guest96132> now
[06:47] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: monthly Kubuntu hangout
[06:48] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: we discussed current tasks status, and added some tasks, removed some tasks
[11:18] <noj2009> hello, is kubuntu working well with the tochscreen of a lenovo-by300 convertible?
[11:20] <noj2009> nobody want to answer?
[12:31] <dv__> the recent documents in the kicker menu dont do anything if I click on them
[12:31] <dv__> the klipper's context menu does not allow me to clear the history
[12:32] <dv__> and, the calendar view (when I click on the clock display on the task bar) does not highlight any holidays anymore
[12:32] <dv__> these seem like serious steps back, dont they
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:30] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[13:31] <Smurphy> Morning folks :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Smurphy
[13:33] <hazamonzo> I have a question as there is some life here today :)
[13:33] <hazamonzo> How might i go about adding the option... "extract here" when i right click an archive?
[13:34] <hazamonzo> At the moment i have to open files with ark instead of the quick, right click, extract
[13:34] <hazamonzo> Or even the select files, add to archive?
[13:34] <hazamonzo> Small things i know but super useful
[13:35] <hazamonzo> Any thoughts BluesKaj?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, checking
[13:36] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Ahh thanks!
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, lots of services missing from dolphin , but even the available downloads are lacking. However I use unp to extract in the terminal by opening the terminal in the folder the compressed file is located and doing: unp nameofpackage.tar.gz, for example
[13:43] <BluesKaj> unp is available in the repos
[13:44] <BluesKaj> !unp
[13:44] <BluesKaj> !info unp
[13:45] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Understood. Its a shame that the UI is a little behind (although it looks VERY pretty)
[13:46] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: I notived that the pastebin widget was also missing these days. Was very useful
[13:48] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, well i think useability has been somewhat sacrficed for looks, but that's afunction of transference from plasma4 to plasma 5. I think the services will eventually catch up
[13:48] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Yeah that makes sense. Im happy enough that most of my new laptop worked with 15.10
[13:49] <hazamonzo> The ONLY things i had issues with which i gave up on was the SSD and the... ummm.. Nvidua / Intel card swapping
[13:49] <hazamonzo> I was able to set it to the intel one and leave it at that
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Optimus eh?
[13:49] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Yeah something like that
[13:50] <hazamonzo> Both cards worked but when i rebooted, with or without power ect it was a coin toss to is the driver loaded for the right card
[13:50] <BluesKaj> yeah it's a pita on linux. unfortunately
[13:50] <hazamonzo> I tried to find a pattern in about... 50 reboots :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I thought most users went with the nvidia-prime setup on Optimus
[13:51] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Oh i tried all sorts of things. half of which i cannot remember
[13:52] * BluesKaj nods
[13:52] <hazamonzo> In the end i was able to install at least (using some grub command during installation), then get the Nvidia driver detected and finally, switch it to Intel instead of Nvidia
[13:52] <hazamonzo> Instead of letting linux decide what card to use
[13:53] <hazamonzo> At least... thats what i *think* I did :)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, think some blacklisting the intel gpu in favour of the nvidia since it's more capable handling video loads
[13:54] <Odur> hazamonzo: regarding servicemenus in dolphin. Try this: "sudo ln -s /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/konqpopupmenuplugin.desktop /usr/share/kservicetypes5/"
[13:56] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: I totally agree although its something i will have to look at later. Im in the "if it isn't broken then don't fix it" stage due to other work commitments :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Odur, thanks! That worked here :-)
[13:56] <hazamonzo> Odur: Can i ask what that does before i go ahead and run it? I have to be careful i don't break anything while im working :)
[13:56] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: hehehe, you just jump right on in there eh? :D
[13:57] <Odur> just making a link from a file to another place, making the extract here appear again
[13:57] <hazamonzo> Odur: So pretty safe then?
[13:57] <Odur> Yep. There is a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1499530
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, I'm a home user, no worries about breaking stuff since I use 14.04 as my backup OS
[13:58] <hazamonzo> Odur: Thank you!! Worked a treat :)
[14:00] <Odur> hazamonzo: Should be fixed when we get KDE Framework 15.16.0.
[14:00] <hazamonzo> Odur: Its only a small thing but its useful.
[14:00] <hazamonzo> Now if i can get my pastebin / imagebin widget back i'll be set! :D
[14:00] <Odur> Very useful :)
[14:01] <hazamonzo> I loved the fact you can print-screen and drag directly to the widget to paste the image
[14:01] <hazamonzo> without having to save to disk, open a website, upload the image ect ect
[14:03] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Odur: Thanks again guys. I better get back to work
[14:03] <Odur> You're welcome :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, have fun :-)
[14:08] <hazamonzo> :)
[17:02] <finetundra> Hey folks, howo do I add skins to amarok that I get from KDE look?
[17:52] <isolater> well
[17:53] <finetundra> isolater: well what?
[17:57] <isolater> well this is pretty nice, new to kubuntu
[17:58] <isolater> what do you like about kubuntu? what is better than say, Unbuntu?
[17:59] <finetundra> Ah well, honestly kubuntu has felt easier to customize
[17:59] <finetundra> Though I've only used it with KDE 4, so I don't know how it feels with KDE 5
[18:01] <finetundra> isolater: why did you choose kubuntu, if I may ask?
[18:02] <isolater> Well I am testing it really, running in a VM right now. It looks like it has some really interesting things.
[18:03] <isolater> Seems easy to get started with so far
[20:49] <master_> I would appreciate some help with my quassel irc client
[20:51] <master_> Next to my identity I have (+iwxcr). I don't know what this means
[20:56] <rarog> доброго всем
[20:56] <mparillo> !ru
[21:56] <mok> hello, what is the password for live user kubuntu 15.10?
[21:57] <mok> hitting enter on live session just resets to login (doesn't say login failed though
[21:57] <mok> )
[22:00] <bprompt> mok: there isn't any that I know of, I think .... it "might" be just "kubuntu" or "ubuntu", from older iso's
[22:03] <mok> bprompt: thanks for reply. kubuntu or ubuntu don't work. It's a pity, I would like to try before I install! :)
[22:04] <bprompt> mok: it shouldn't ask you for a password for a live session though
[22:04] <bprompt> if it's asking for one, it seems that the iso burning didn't go well
[22:06] <mok> bprompt: I would have thought same. starts with login screen with live session user as username
[22:06] <mok> clicking on login just cycles back to login screen
[22:07] <mok> I didn't burn, dd'd onto usbstick
[22:07] <bprompt> mok: I've seen that on broken files live sessions, like the user didn't shutdown the session properly and did a force-shutdown by pressing the power button
[22:07] <bprompt> but otherwise, it wouldn't ask you for a password for a live session
[22:08] <mok> ok, thanks for the advice
[22:27] <mok> I said I'd be mad and just install of that usb disk anyway. I think that was a mistake, now a prompt with my username, input password, press enter, recycles to login screen. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[22:28] <bprompt> same liveusb session login screen?
[22:31] <mok> no, my hdd login session
[22:34] <bprompt> and you entered the right login and password?
[22:35] <bprompt> hmm
[22:35] <bprompt> mok: did you do a full hdd install from the usb stick that was asking you for a login at the live session?
[22:37] <mok> yep
[22:37] <mok> rebooted from the usb disk and went into install rather than live session, went through the install onto hdd, removed usb disk, rebooted
[22:38] <bprompt> well then
[22:38] <bprompt> hehhe
[22:39] <bprompt> mok: so you have a broken live usb session, and reasonable enough, it gave you a broken hdd installation, :/
[22:39] <bprompt> mok: your hmmm reburn the .iso to usb
[22:39] <mok> shouldda known betta! ;)
[22:40] <bprompt> or redownload the iso, assuming it might be corrupted, possibly is not, but who knows, likely the issue is the burning, something happened while burning to to the usb stick
[22:43] <mok> md5sum matches, so it was a good download. Dunno what could have happened during dd. Anyway, back to drawing board. Thanks for your time bprompt
[22:43] <bprompt> well
[22:43] <bprompt> mok: how did you burn it? I mean... what did you issue for "dd"?
[22:44] <mok> just sudo dd if=kub...etc of=/dev/sdc
[22:47] <bprompt> looks good
[22:51] <teknova> trying to find out what is the most stable os for running the most recent stable builds of digikam......
[22:51] <teknova> thoughts?
[22:51] <bprompt> I've heard of some saying 15.10 is decently stable enough, not sure if it has digikam though
[22:52] <teknova> 15.10 kubuntu is troublesome in the least
[22:52] <bprompt> teknova: well, there's always the 14.04 lts
[22:52] <teknova> its crash seg faulted twice on me and thats after having login loop problems with the live cd
[22:53] <teknova> well has anyone tried 4.14 digikam in 14.04 kubuntu?
[22:54] <teknova> im running mint 17.2 cinnimon as my main system but i was havinh seg fault problems with digikam there too
[22:55] <teknova> i really like digikam at a tagging and sorting tool and im even happy to install a whole os just for it
[22:56] <bprompt> hehe
[22:57] <bprompt> I don't run it myself, for one
[22:57] <bprompt> teknova: what kde version is cinnamon 17.2 running anyway? maybe your kde version is the same as kubuntu's 15.10 for all we know, thus the seg faulting
[22:59] <teknova> well i am running them both from the phillip5 ppa
[22:59] <teknova> kde i think is 4.14
[22:59] <teknova> kde i think is 4.1?
[23:00] <bprompt> well... not exactly, 4.1 !== 4.14
[23:00] <teknova> 4.1 was a typo
[23:00] <teknova> 4.14
[23:00] <teknova> 4.14 is the last one they are suppose to do for mint
[23:01] <teknova> because of the lack of newest kde
[23:01] <teknova> i think
[23:02] <bprompt> well.. for the time being I gather
[23:04] <teknova> 15.10 comes with digikam 14.12 and id be happy to use that but it kept closing unexpecteply plus this does not seem to be the most for my hardware
[23:04] <teknova> most stable*
[23:04] <teknova> the seg faults im getting in 15.10 are when close system windows aand such
[23:05] <teknova> somthing about qt5
[23:06] <teknova> verizon really?
[23:06] <teknova> i hopes its cause you have no other choice
[23:07] <teknova> sorry thet my corpopate touretts..
[23:07] <bprompt> teknova: hmmm give a whirl I gather to 14.04
[23:07] <bprompt> eheh
[23:07] <teknova> ok will do
[23:07] <teknova> my ssd hate me right now anyway
[23:08] <teknova> kde mint followed by kubuntu 15.10 followed by 14.04 lol
[23:15] <mok> teknova: http://scribblesandsnaps.com/2014/12/12/making-digikam-stable-on-ubuntu-14-04/
[23:16] <mok> doh! he's gone. I better go too, too tired! :)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.942633
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BluesKaj",
"Guest96132",
"Odur",
"Smurphy",
"ahoneybun",
"ausername",
"bprompt",
"dv__",
"finetundra",
"hazamonzo",
"isolater",
"master_",
"mhall119",
"mok",
"mparillo",
"noj2009",
"ovidiu-florin",
"rafael",
"rarog",
"teknova"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23kubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#kubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-27-#snappy
|
[08:15] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Systems Engineer Day! 😃
[13:10] <ogra_> 402614
[13:10] <tbr> 42!
[13:13] <ogra_> yay, yubikey !
[15:32] <ogra_> hmm, do we have a way to define a mode for the target file in the snapcraft copy plugin ?
[15:44] <longsleep> ogra_: not that i am aware of, would be nice to have though
[15:44] <ogra_> yeah
[15:45] <longsleep> especially for binary and service files some consistency check would be good as well, makes no sense for them to be non executable
[16:21] <elopio_> fgimenez: what would be a good name for the reboot flag?
[16:21] <elopio_> !cannotrebot ?
[16:21] <elopio_> we have the double negative again.
[16:24] <elopio> fgimenez: maybe, !withoutreboots
[16:25] <fgimenez> elopio, AFAIUI if we want them to be executed by default they have to be defined with the double negative, yes
[16:25] <fgimenez> elopio, sounds good, or continue with exclude...
[16:26] <elopio> fgimenez: yes, that's the problem with tags. But using "low" was a nice trick.
[16:26] <elopio> !excludereboot, that's not so bad.
[16:27] <fgimenez> elopio, at least the command line reads fine: -test-build-tags=[without|exclude]reboots
[19:43] <mterry_> ogra_, hah, love the nethack snap, haven't tried it yet, but saw it go by :)
[19:43] <ogra_> :D
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.951766
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JamesTait",
"dholbach",
"elopio",
"elopio_",
"fgimenez",
"longsleep",
"mterry_",
"ogra_",
"tbr"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23snappy.txt",
"channel": "#snappy"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-za
|
[08:09] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:28] <mazal> Morning
[08:59] <magespawn> good morning
[10:09] <MaNI> "So met 'n eerste opslag lyk dit spiekeries!" < Any native afrikaans speakers that can translate that properly for me? I think my attempts at translating it are incorrect
[10:15] <andrewlsd> at first glance it looks ....
[10:16] <andrewlsd> .. I have no idea what "Spiekeries" means
[10:19] <TinuvaMac> lol
[10:20] <TinuvaMac> i never knew how you spell that
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> spickerish?
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> yeah i think that is the direct translated word
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> seems about just right
[10:22] <TinuvaMac> "So at first glance, it looks spickerish/brilliant/perfect/oustanding!" ect
[10:28] <MaNL> okay thanks
[11:13] <inetpro> yikes!
[11:13] <inetpro> netsplits Friday on Black Friday?
[12:03] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen kilos
[12:03] <Maaz> andrewlsd: kilos was last seen 17 hours, 17 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 10:46:11 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-26 23:12:05 PST
[12:58] <inetpro> Maaz: seen Kilos-
[12:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Kilos- was last seen 17 hours, 30 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 11:27:58 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-27 02:22:35 PST
[12:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:28] <Langjan> Hi guys, anybody wanting to help with ubuntu login prob, please?
[14:12] <superfly> Langjan: what's the problem?
[14:23] <Langjan> Hi superfly the root password is not being accepted to login
[14:23] <superfly> Langjan: why are you logging in as root?
[14:24] <Langjan> OK sorry, the username and password are the same
[14:25] <Langjan> I'm currently at the password reset in recovery mode
[14:26] <Langjan> Getting Authentication token manipulation error
[14:27] <superfly> You've lost me.
[14:28] <Langjan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[14:29] <superfly> Langjan: again, why are you logging in as root?
[14:30] <Langjan> The system was set to not require a login password, then suddenly it asked for password and I used the password that we registered on install
[14:32] <Langjan> We are using the same password that the system always accepts for login and admin privileges
[14:33] <superfly> there's a difference between root (which you shouldn't be using) and a user who can sudo (which is what you should be doing)
[14:34] <superfly> also, you should always require a password for logging in, it's just basic good security.
[14:34] <superfly> I gotta go, heading home
[14:34] <Langjan> Ok sorry, learning - its the password that I use for sudo
[15:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[15:23] <Langjan> howzit?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Langjan well ty and you sir
[15:24] <Langjan> Allso fine thks, hows the Oz plans going>?
[15:25] <Kilos> waiting for visa to be approved. hopefully before 10 dec
[15:25] <Langjan> Great! Excited?
[15:25] <Kilos> was hoping to make it before nov end but nothing yet so now monday last day of nov
[15:25] <Kilos> sigh
[15:26] <Kilos> flights are expensive in dec
[15:26] <Langjan> Flight booked yet?
[15:26] <Kilos> excited? what that
[15:26] <Langjan> Yea very!
[15:26] <Kilos> is the what stops one from sleeping at night
[15:27] <Kilos> i cant book a flight till i know if its appproved
[15:27] <Langjan> No its computers. lmga
[15:27] <Langjan> catch ten
[15:27] <Kilos> haha no man computers have ee good to me
[15:27] <Kilos> been
[15:27] <Langjan> Ok can you help? plse
[15:28] <Kilos> can one not fly on a cargo plane?
[15:28] <Kilos> yes of course
[15:28] <Kilos> whats up?
[15:29] <Langjan> Thks, Linda's lappie - she logs out instead of shutting down, dont know if thats the reason but it now refuses to login
[15:29] <Kilos> wa does it do
[15:29] <Langjan> wont even login as guest
[15:29] <Kilos> what
[15:30] <Langjan> im curently in recovery mode, but whatever I try it wants login first
[15:30] <Kilos> does it keep returning to the page where you enter password
[15:30] <Langjan> yes
[15:31] <Kilos> ok
[15:31] <Kilos> pres ctrl+alt+F3
[15:31] <Kilos> then login there
[15:31] <Langjan> while in recovery?
[15:31] <Kilos> try or reboot to login page
[15:32] <Kilos> beter to reboot i think
[15:32] <Langjan> ok but I battle to access recovery, theres nothing here thatr will help, like dpkg or fsck?
[15:33] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3 or f2 should take take you to a terminal thing
[15:33] <Langjan> ok lets try
[15:33] <Langjan> booting...
[15:34] <Kilos> how long you been waiting for me to come online
[15:35] <Langjan> about 5 hours...
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry i been battling with a sim card or modem that keeps going to emergency only mode
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry oom
[15:35] <Langjan> not your prob or fault!!
[15:36] <Langjan> I got a blak screen, trying again
[15:36] <Langjan> blank
[15:37] <Kilos> did you ask anyone else to help you?
[15:37] <Kilos> sjoe 5 hours is terrible
[15:37] <Langjan> Superfly was here for a while, had to knock oof
[15:38] <Langjan> had other things todo, not serious
[15:38] <Langjan> ok now have login prompt on terminal
[15:38] <Langjan> and login fails every time
[15:39] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3
[15:39] <Kilos> oh
[15:39] <Kilos> sorry
[15:39] <Langjan> ok!
[15:39] <Kilos> you need to enter her username first'
[15:39] <Kilos> then password
[15:40] <Langjan> Login incorrect
[15:40] <Kilos> what did you forget
[15:40] <Langjan> ok logged in! Great
[15:40] <Kilos> haha
[15:40] <Kilos> now
[15:40] <Langjan> login name and username is the same
[15:41] <Kilos> you have aptitude installed hey
[15:41] <Langjan> dont know...
[15:41] <Kilos> try
[15:41] <Langjan> do what?
[15:41] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install gdm
[15:42] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:43] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:44] <Kilos> you could have done sudo apt-get install gdm as well
[15:44] <Langjan> had to run dpkg --configure -a
[15:44] <Langjan> running
[15:44] <Kilos> yes something broke
[15:45] <Langjan> its showing unknown media types
[15:45] <Kilos> dont worry bout that
[15:45] <Langjan> finished running
[15:46] <Kilos> is gdm installed?
[15:46] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install gdm
[15:47] <Langjan> running
[15:47] <Kilos> gdm is to replace lightdm
[15:47] <Kilos> when that breaks you cant get past login page because the desktop manager isnt working
[15:48] <Langjan> its not connected, let me cable-connect
[15:48] <Kilos> ok
[15:49] <Langjan> maybe it did? When I logged in it may have picked up my wireless
[15:50] <Kilos> good
[15:50] <Kilos> it will tell you if unable to connect
[15:50] <Langjan> running...
[15:51] <Langjan> the system was warning Linda but she ignored it
[15:52] <Langjan> on 70%
[15:52] <Kilos> what did the warning say
[15:52] <Langjan> dont know, some error
[15:53] <Langjan> now I have to select gdm or lightdm
[15:53] <Kilos> that lappy does automatic updates hey
[15:53] <Kilos> gdm
[15:54] <Langjan> unpacking as if has just landed from Oz...
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <Langjan> ok klaar
[15:55] <Langjan> now?
[15:55] <Kilos> you still in the terminal
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[15:55] <Langjan> yes
[15:55] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <Langjan> ok
[15:56] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:56] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:57] <Langjan> klaar
[15:58] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <Langjan> running...
[15:58] <Langjan> klaar, nou?
[15:59] <Kilos> then sudo reboot
[15:59] <Kilos> the login screen will be a bit different
[15:59] <Kilos> tick on linda first the enter password
[16:00] <Langjan> ok still srating up
[16:01] <Langjan> taking its time...
[16:01] <Kilos> ya its sorting things
[16:01] <Kilos> gdm is a bit slower but more stable
[16:01] <Langjan> aha, whatever will I do without my friend, lucky theres lines to Oz
[16:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:02] <Kilos> there are lotsa guys here
[16:02] <Langjan> Hope your plans pan out well, yea but only one kilos
[16:02] <Kilos> also ill be online from oz as well just 9 hours ahead
[16:02] <Kilos> just pray for me to succeed
[16:03] <Langjan> yes, used to that with my kids in Canberra, and Perth 6 hours
[16:03] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:03] <Langjan> Will do my friend, I pray for you every day!
[16:03] <Kilos> i got some catching up to do as well so might be slow to answer
[16:03] <Kilos> ty sir
[16:04] <Kilos> 30 years of catching up
[16:04] <Langjan> And for Debs
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah
[16:05] <Kilos> she is stressing with this slow visa stuff
[16:05] <Langjan> Many thks for sorting this prob out so quick, you're a wiz!
[16:05] <Kilos> did it work
[16:05] <Kilos> yay
[16:05] <Langjan> Hope you did not go via an agent?
[16:05] <Kilos> i was just guessing
[16:06] <Kilos> no i did onlie visa app direct to aus peeps
[16:06] <Langjan> goood
[16:06] <Kilos> agents are too expensive
[16:06] <Kilos> thats why we stressing aout dec flights
[16:06] <Kilos> price goes up 4k
[16:07] <Langjan> Yes Dec is not good...check flights via Dubai and Quatar
[16:07] <Kilos> i have
[16:07] <Langjan> ok strongs
[16:08] <Kilos> all go up lots over dec jan
[16:08] <Kilos> thats why i asked about a cargo plane
[16:09] <Langjan> Ok Kilos gotta go will chat agai n
[16:09] <Kilos> go well sir
[16:09] <Kilos> glad i could help
[16:09] <Kilos> look after yourself
[16:12] <Langjan> You too thks Kilos
[16:12] <Langjan> bye
[17:28] <Kilos> heavy thunderbees expected tonight
[18:20] <magespawn> good evening
[18:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:43] <magespawn> hey Kilos whats up?
[18:43] <Kilos> same old
[18:43] <Kilos> waiting
[18:43] <Kilos> hows things youre side?
[18:45] <magespawn> bit chilly, working on some tedious data, pricelist comparison
[18:45] <magespawn> converting pdf to spreadsheet
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <magespawn> manually, nog al
[18:52] <captine> evening all
[18:53] <magespawn> i do not know a way of reliably getting data from a pdf into a spreadsheet
[18:53] <magespawn> automatically
[19:08] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:10] <Kilos> you using linux magespawn
[19:10] <Kilos> or the exel way
[19:10] <Kilos> excel
[19:18] <magespawn> linux of course
[19:18] <Kilos> haha
[19:19] <Kilos> is there no converter
[19:19] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18293175/how-to-convert-pdf-files-to-spreadsheets
[19:21] <captine> Kilos. Hi
[19:22] <Kilos> magespawn ^^
[20:14] <Langjan> Hi Kilos I'm looking for the link to your daughter's song show - plse send it again
[20:15] <Kilos> sec Langjan
[20:17] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGPNtyZkZg
[20:17] <Kilos> i think thats it
[20:17] <Kilos> one day ill learn to use bookmarks
[20:18] <Langjan> thks
[20:19] <Kilos> yw
[20:19] <Kilos> she has recorded lots
[20:20] <Kilos> Langjan dont you see private messages
[20:21] <Kilos> jy moet wakker skrik oom
[20:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:03] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos thanks
[21:03] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:33] <inetpro> magespawn: you really don't want to convert PDF to spreadsheet
[21:33] <inetpro> good evening BTW
[21:34] <inetpro> PDF is a publishing format and I don't know why people fail to understand that
[21:35] <inetpro> if you want the data then you must get it from the source before the PDF was generated
[21:37] <inetpro> time to hit the sack, good night
[21:37] <magespawn> no can do inetpro, i do not have access to the source
[21:38] <inetpro> magespawn: get it
[21:38] <inetpro> :-)
[21:38] <magespawn> the company will not give it to me, it is their main price list
[21:38] <inetpro> do yourself a favour and open the PDF file with an editor
[21:39] <inetpro> it's all XML kinda stuff
[21:39] <magespawn> okay, is there a foss editor?
[21:40] <magespawn> or do you mean any xml editor?
[21:40] <inetpro> sudo apt-get install okteta
[21:41] <inetpro> that ^^ is a hex editor amongst many thousands of editors
[21:41] <magespawn> thought you might mean a pdf editor
[21:42] <magespawn> alrighty, i will take a look in the morning when i am at work
[21:42] <inetpro> haha, I really mean it, open it in a normal editor and look
[21:42] <magespawn> will do
[21:43] <magespawn> you made the right call earlier, bedtime now
[21:43] <inetpro> if you can't read it at all, it could even be just an image inside a pdf
[21:45] <magespawn> sort of like a fake pdf
[21:45] <inetpro> but there are other options if you want to be brave
[21:45] <inetpro> look at poppler-utils for example
[21:45] <inetpro> aptitude show poppler-utils
[21:47] <magespawn> that looks very useful
[21:48] <inetpro> or look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/162037/how-to-edit-pdfs
[21:51] * magespawn makes a note to follow those up in the morning
[21:52] <magespawn> cool beans, thanks inetpro \
[21:52] <inetpro> you're welcome
[21:52] * inetpro turns the lights off
[21:52] <magespawn> good night
[21:53] <inetpro> good night
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.956817
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Kilos",
"Langjan",
"MaNI",
"MaNL",
"Maaz",
"TinuvaMac",
"andrewlsd",
"captine",
"inetpro",
"magespawn",
"mazal",
"superfly"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-za.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-za"
}
|
2015-11-27-#kubuntu-devel
|
[05:21] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: sorry for the mis-understanding; the way you have done it should be fine
[10:14] <clivejo> !testers | Can you please test Calligra 2.9.8 for wily and xenial, in my PPA? Especially interested to see if the fonts-lyx bug is fixed
[10:17] <clivejo> well thats useful
[10:18] <clivejo> !testers
[10:18] <clivejo> ubottu: wake up!
[10:20] <clivejo> anyone: ping
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:10] <mparillo> clivejo: I have both wily and xenial. If you can walk me through the test case, I am happy to help. Which first?
[15:04] <sgclark> good morning, I can't believe I won...
[15:07] <mparillo> You deserved to win. I am sure the entire Kubuntu community is pleased. I know I am.
[15:19] <sgclark> yofel: so one thing I wanted to discuss and couldn't because my headset did not survive the flight is GCI. I saw valorie sent notice to devel? How is that going, we have till 7th and I am sure we need help.
[15:20] <sgclark> yofel: also I am lost on sync thought? was I vetoed again? Should I just start merges then?
[15:20] <yofel> sgclark: ovidiu is trying to create a task for the website at least. I don't think we have more than that yet
[15:20] <sgclark> Did you get ahold of clemens?
[15:21] <sgclark> he does not seem to be in here
[15:21] <sgclark> brb coffee
[15:22] <yofel> for the syncs, I forgot to mention in munich that I'm worried about what packages might require to carry a diff, but that's something we actually have to see when we review them before filing sync requests
[15:23] <yofel> and no, I didn't get ahold of clemens. Was too busy at work the last 2 days and forgot -.-
[15:24] <sgclark> doh.
[15:24] <yofel> regarding the merges, we could start with those and do the sync evaluation during that
[15:24] <sgclark> ok. sounds like a plan then.
[15:26] <yofel> do you intend to finish the applications backports in staging-kdeapplications? I set up the status page, and at least kstars had some issue I think.
[15:26] <yofel> Otherwise I'll try to do that over the weekend
[15:27] <sgclark> kstars?
[15:27] <sgclark> ktp is busted upstream, other thn that all was good
[15:27] <yofel> let me check again
[15:27] <sgclark> well ktp works with everything but google
[15:28] <yofel> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.3_wily.html
[15:28] <yofel> -- checking for module 'libindi>=1.0.0'
[15:28] <yofel> -- found libindi, version 1.1.0
[15:28] <yofel> -- Could NOT find INDI (missing: INDI_MAIN_LIBRARIES) (found suitable version "1.1.0", minimum required is "1.0.0")
[15:28] <yofel> wtf thing, but should be looked at
[15:29] <yofel> I think most of the other stuff were known things
[15:29] <sgclark> that makes no sense. but anyway, indi is a monster
[15:30] <sgclark> I use a ppa, if that is not an option than removing kstars.
[15:30] <sgclark> I am not packaging indi
[15:35] <yofel> well, even wily release should have an indi that works. Or maybe it's actually the newer indi that breaks it
[15:35] <yofel> I'll try to build with that when I'm home
[15:40] <sgclark> ok thanks
[16:46] <clivejo> You put your IRC Channel in, Your IRC Channel out: In, out, in, out. You shake it all about. You do the hokey cokey, And you turn around. That's what it's all about! yipppeee
[17:17] <Riddell> clivejo: :)
[17:29] <Riddell> clivejo: how's calligra?
[17:35] <clivejo> still the same as before, being a pain in the butt!
[17:36] <clivejo> Im going to log off for a while, this constant disconnection is driving me crazy
[19:36] * mck182 has been trying to install 15.10 for the past 2 hours on an efi macbook...man that installer is crashy ( ._.)
[19:39] <tsimonq2> mck182: you try to ust use the 14.04 installer for now?
[19:39] <tsimonq2> *just
[19:39] <tsimonq2> mck182: and then just do sudo do-release-upgrade until you get to 15.10?
[19:40] <mck182> yeah...no.
[19:40] <mck182> doing 3 times upgrade...that's just a bit too much xD
[19:40] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:40] <tsimonq2> suit yourself
[19:43] <mck182> yeah...I'll just download opensuse xD
[19:44] <tsimonq2> mck182: aww, don't give up!
[19:44] <mck182> I can't format existing ext4 partition, installer hangs...I can't not-format an ext4 partition and install to it cause the installer hangs...I can't install bootloader to efi cause the installer crashes
[19:44] <mck182> I can't even report the crash cause there are no wifi drivers
[19:45] <tsimonq2> mck182: maybe you should ask around in #ubuntu
[19:45] <tsimonq2> mck182: they are helpful
[19:45] <mck182> doesn't ubuntu have different installer?
[19:46] <tsimonq2> nope
[19:46] <tsimonq2> you can also get support in #kubutnu
[19:46] <tsimonq2> *#kubuntu
[20:58] <mck182> is there a one single package that I can download and install the broadcom wl driver?
[21:04] <mck182> it's kinda frustrating that to actually install the broadcom package I have to download about 20 packages...just to install it -.-
[23:54] <clivejo> IRC servers still under attack?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.974120
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BluesKaj",
"Riddell",
"clivejo",
"mck182",
"mparillo",
"sgclark",
"tsimonq2",
"valorie",
"yofel"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23kubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#kubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-br
|
[00:45] <nuno_nunes> alguem precisa de suporte aqui
[00:46] <astroo-> por enquanto nao
[00:46] <nuno_nunes> tu instala o linux :|
[01:35] <MerliM> astroo-: o nuno_nunes querendo te converter ao ubuntufan
[01:35] <astroo-> linux
[01:43] <MerliM> Cesar_Augusto: boa noite
[01:47] <Cesar_Augusto> boa noite :)
[01:48] <astroo-> ola
[01:52] <fabio> olá
[01:52] <astroo-> ola
[01:52] <fabio> Estou usando uma distribuilçao que é baseada no ubuntu
[01:52] <fabio> o backbox
[01:53] <fabio> e gostaria de saber como posso fazer um hotspot nele
[01:53] <fabio> alguem pode me ajudar com isto?
[01:55] <fabio> no ubuntu em si eu lembro que basta ir em redes e navegar ate a aba hots e colocar as configuraçoes, porem nesta distro eu nao encontro desta forma
[02:03] <MerliM> fabio quando precisei usar eu fiz via DHCP usando o dhcp-isc-server ele te permite fazerisso
[02:04] <MerliM> procura por compartilhar wifi com dhcp-isc-server
[02:04] <MerliM> é isso que vc quer né ou precisa autenticação ???
[02:04] <MerliM> ou vc quer criar um router wifi ????
[03:45] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[03:46] <MerliM> astroo-: vlws
[03:46] <MerliM> astroo-:
[03:46] <astroo-> ate
[09:42] <MerliM> Bom dia!
[12:13] <shallwe> bom dia manolos
[12:15] <shallwe> agora eu entendi pq tem gente reclamando do steam os pra jogos, tem 1800 games já pra linux mas a maioria é port o.O Ou seja jogos de windows emulandos as apis do directx o.O
[12:18] <aedigital> buenas
[12:18] <shallwe> buenas
[12:23] <shallwe> já tem bastante notícias no mundo linux sobre ubuntu 16.04 :) to gostando de ver
[12:23] <aedigital> :)
[12:24] <shallwe> vai ter kernel 4.4, que bom, até o lançamento já devem ter ajustado tudo no kernel inclusivo as coisas que estão meio capengas
[12:27] <aedigital> good
[15:32] <shallwe> ah black friday!
[16:50] <shallwe> puxa galera nenhum dúvida?
[16:50] <shallwe> assim perde a graça ubuntu é tão fácil que ninguem tem dúvidas kkkk
[17:34] <jefferson_> fala pessoal!
[17:35] <shallwe> olá
[17:35] <jefferson_> Galera aqui do trampo não manja os paranauês do IRC k k k k
[17:35] <jefferson_> beeeeeeeee
[17:35] <aedigital> O_o
[17:38] <MerliM> normal irc é underground
[17:38] <MerliM> hauha
[17:42] <aedigital> udigrudi
[17:42] <aedigital> :~
[17:49] <shallwe> caramba, eu digito mais rápido que escrevo :O em que tempo vivemos pelo amor de deus :O
[17:49] <shallwe> maldita tecnologia kkk
[17:50] <aedigital> hahaha
[17:51] <aedigital> de qualquer forma, se voce pensa bem antes de falar ou digitar
[17:51] <aedigital> esta tudo ok
[17:55] <aedigital> maldito ddos
[17:56] <shallwe> nossa hoje o pidgin ta um coco, caindo toda hora, sorte que temos o webchat
[17:56] <aedigital> shallwe, problema nao eh o pidgin nao
[17:57] <aedigital> estao atacando a rede
[17:57] <shallwe> ah então é isso
[17:57] <shallwe> que bom um teste de rede :)
[17:58] <aedigital> hahaha, se nao atrapalhasse as conversas ateh poderia concordar
[17:58] <aedigital> que eh bom
[17:58] <shallwe> pior
[17:58] <aedigital> desde ontem estao atacando a freenode
[17:59] <shallwe> lol por qual motive?
[17:59] <aedigital> sei la o motivo
[17:59] <aedigital> zoeira talvez
[17:59] <aedigital> antigamente era os lammers que faziam isto
[18:00] <aedigital> soh pra encher o saco, ou atrapalhar o pessoal mesmo
[18:00] <shallwe> kkk esses hackers virgens são fogo
[18:00] <aedigital> isto quando nao era uma disputa entre redes de irc
[18:00] <aedigital> hoje em dia
[18:00] <shallwe> aposto que depois que casarem isso passa, já viu hacker casado? eu não kkk
[18:00] <aedigital> nem sei como eh esta situacao mais
[18:00] <aedigital> shallwe, anram
[18:00] <aedigital> eh os pseudo-hackers
[18:00] <shallwe> sacanagem
[18:07] <MerliM> kkkk
[18:07] <MerliM> o hacker casado com a hacker é um problema
[18:08] <MerliM> tudo deles deve ser assinado com chaves ultra seguras e criptografia em tudo ja viu se rola um ciume
[18:08] <MerliM> tenso o.O
[18:08] <shallwe> MerliM: pior kkk
[18:08] <shallwe> sorte que não sou juntado com uma hacker
[18:08] <shallwe> se não seria fogo
[18:09] <shallwe> e tb não mando nude :)
[18:12] <shallwe> pior que ser hackeado só isso que acabou de acontecer comigo kkk
[18:12] <shallwe> http://i.imgur.com/PgSrDfl.jpg
[18:13] <shallwe> maledeto programa e olha que nao tava fazendo nada de mais
[18:14] <shallwe> é de dar nojo, eu até hoje não sei pq ainda uso esse corel kkk, um dia ainda chute esses clientes que usam essa porqueira
[18:59] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[19:29] <MerliM> shallwe: yagagygaygaa
[19:30] <MerliM> shallwe: usa OpenSOurce tem alternativas para corel-> alternativeto.net e coloca na busca corel
[22:14] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[22:14] <rf5> ola amigo
[22:14] <astroo-> ola
[22:15] <rf5> td bem?
[22:15] <astroo-> tudo e tu?
[22:15] <rf5> bem tb
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.987367
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Cesar_Augusto",
"MerliM",
"aedigital",
"astroo-",
"fabio",
"jefferson_",
"mirqui",
"nuno_nunes",
"rf5",
"shallwe"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-br.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-br"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-locoteams
|
[00:04] <tsimonq2> !lococouncil
[00:05] <tsimonq2> is this still a thing? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Summarizing_Your_Meetings
[07:04] <ASIF> Sir i am using ubuntu 14.04
[07:04] <ASIF> and m unable to run plugin in chrome
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:19.989536
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ASIF",
"dholbach",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-locoteams.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-locoteams"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-desktop
|
[01:11] <xclaesse> jjohansen, note that your function aa_query_label_data() doesn't build
[01:11] <xclaesse> jjohansen, +int aa_query_label_data(const char *label, const char *key, aa_data_info *out) --> I'm guessing it should be aa_label_data_info *out
[01:12] <xclaesse> also it calls aa_clear_label_data() which should be aa_clear_label_data()
[01:13] <xclaesse> sorry, I mean it calls aa_clear_data_info() which should be aa_clear_label_data()
[01:13] <xclaesse> that function should probably even be called aa_clear_label_data_info()
[03:17] <jjohansen> xclaesse: okay, I will look at it later tonight when I get back
[03:19] <xclaesse> jjohansen, do you know how to get the label from a dbus name?
[03:21] <xclaesse> should be something like aa_getpeercon() but I don't have the peer pid or fd
[05:17] <jjohansen> xclaesse: you do it with a dbus call
[05:18] <jjohansen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11230338/
[05:18] <jjohansen> it used to be org.freedesktop.DBus.GetConnectionAppArmorSecurityContext()
[05:19] <jjohansen> but as part of our upstreaming work it got changed to org.freedesktop.DBus.GetConnectionCredentials
[05:19] <jjohansen> so depending on which distro/version you are using
[05:35] <pitti_> Good morning
[05:51] <hikiko_> Good morning
[05:51] <hikiko_> Hi pitti
[05:58] <RAOF> Good morning hikiko_, pitti_!
[05:59] <RAOF> 'Tis the time for alternate nicks!
[05:59] <pitti_> hey RAOF, hikiko!
[05:59] <pitti_> yeah, it seems freenode broke for me
[05:59] <hikiko_> Hi raof! :-)
[06:00] <pitti_> this morning my proxy was using some guest1234, and bip keeps failing to connect to freenode now, with "read(fd=4): Connection error: Connection reset by peer", "[freenode] read_lines error, closing..."
[06:00] <pitti_> not sure if that's just me
[06:00] <RAOF> Yeah, I got punted from freenode at some point.
[06:00] <RAOF> Working now :)
[06:26] <didrocks> good morning
[06:26] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[06:26] <didrocks> salut pitti ! comment ça va ?
[06:27] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! et toi ?
[06:27] <pitti> as ever, debugging autopkgtest stuff in the mornings :)
[06:27] <didrocks> ça va :)
[06:27] <didrocks> ah, bon courage ! ;)
[06:52] <RAOF_> pitti: Could you please, at your leisure, do an upload of colord-gtk?
[06:56] <pitti> RAOF_: want me to dch -r/tag myself ?
[06:56] <RAOF_> pitti: Yes, please.
[06:56] <RAOF_> (To unstable)
[06:58] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:58] <seb128> hey RAOF_ pitti
[06:58] <RAOF_> Mornin' seb128!
[06:59] <pitti> hey seb128!
[07:13] <pitti> RAOF_: hm, sbuild is hanging on "building package 'sbuild-build-depends-core-dummy", hang on
[07:13] <seb128> happyaron, hey
[07:14] <pitti> ... repeatedly; wth
[07:15] <pitti> this happens for other packages too
[07:16] <pitti> and works in my xenial schroot, meh
[07:25] <pitti> RAOF_: so, apt-get update is broken in my chroot and just hangs; will take a bit to figure this out
[07:46] <pitti> apt is *still* hanging even in a completely freshly created chroot
[07:46] * pitti blames the new apt that landed yesterday: https://tracker.debian.org/news/728240
[07:46] <pitti> mvo: ^
[07:47] <pitti> mvo: apt-get update in sid hangs forever; I also tried with disabling the proxy, doesn't help
[07:48] <pitti> RAOF_: I assume you tested this, so I uploaded it as _source
[07:49] <didrocks> pitti: for -de, the hunspell package is hunspell-de-de, right? Seems there is no single -de one
[07:50] <pitti> didrocks: yes, there's -de-de, -de-at, and so on
[07:50] <pitti> didrocks: if you don't care, perhaps use the virtual hunspell-dictionary-de package?
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: to consider the locale installed in language-selector, it's depending on -de-de or something else?
[07:51] <pitti> (all myspell/hunspell pacakges should Provides: hunspell-dictionary-$LL
[07:51] <didrocks> /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends is mentioning only -$LL
[07:51] <didrocks> ah, it's a provide
[07:51] <didrocks> how does language-selector choose which one to install then?
[07:51] <didrocks> (when it's not present)
[07:51] <didrocks> wa::libreoffice-common:hunspell-
[07:52] <pitti> I think that just doesn't work with this case
[07:52] <pitti> it needs special cases like the myspell-* ones, or move to the provides:
[07:52] <didrocks> ah, so seems there is abug here :)
[07:53] <pitti> hm, or perhaps it does -- I do have hunspell-de-de installed
[07:53] <pitti> didrocks: maybe it tries -ll and -ll-cc
[07:53] <didrocks> would make sense
[07:53] <pitti> $ check-language-support --show-installed -l de
[07:53] <pitti> firefox-locale-de gimp-help-de hunspell-de-at hunspell-de-ch hunspell-de-de hyphen-de language-pack-de language-pack-gnome-de libreoffice-help-de libreoffice-l10n-de mythes-de mythes-de-ch poppler-data wngerman wogerman wswiss
[07:54] <pitti> didrocks: ah, it installs all of them :)
[07:54] <mvo> pitti: oh?
[07:54] <didrocks> ahah :)
[07:54] <didrocks> maybe something we should fix?
[07:54] <pitti> mvo: both my existing sid schroot and my freshly created one hang eternally with apt-get
[07:54] * didrocks is trying to readd locales to the CD, unsure we can readd all cc
[07:55] <mvo> pitti: what environemnt is that ? i.e. how can I reproduce?
[07:55] <mvo> pitti: (the apt hang)
[07:55] <pitti> didrocks: well, we don't choose country in the installer, nor in language-selector; the "region" you select just determines date format etc.
[07:55] <pitti> didrocks: not sure whether there's something to "fix"?
[07:55] <didrocks> yeah, hence the "swiss"
[07:55] <didrocks> hum
[07:55] <pitti> mvo: my normal xenial box, and "mk-sbuild --name=sid sid"
[07:55] <mvo> pitti: *ick* let me try whats going on, I did not see that in my schroot when testing yesterday
[07:55] <didrocks> let's do a simple case first, count how much space this takes on the live and recheck
[07:55] <pitti> mvo: I am running apt-cacher-ng, but it is hanging with -o acquire::http::proxy=no-cache too
[07:56] <pitti> mvo: let me try with disabling acng completely
[07:56] <mvo> pitti: thanks, I'm on it thats pretty scary
[07:56] <mvo> pitti: anything else unusual ? proxy or something?
[07:57] <pitti> mvo: apart from acng, can't think of anything; company VPN maybe, but that shouldn't cover ftp.debian.org
[07:57] <mvo> pitti: any change if you disable the proxy? aha, apparently not
[07:57] <mvo> pitti: can you run -o Debug::acquire::http=1 -o Debug::pkgAcquire::worker=1 ?
[07:57] <pitti> mvo: I'm re-mk-sbuilding with disabling proxy in my host apt config
[07:57] <pitti> mvo: will do as soon as I get a chroot back (I deleted the old one, as it's not really precious)
[08:04] <pitti> mvo: hm, doesn't happen in a dist-upgraded squeeze
[08:04] <pitti> (with proxy and withou)
[08:05] <pitti> although that's a tarball schroot, sid is a directory one; that might also be a factor (overlayfs strangeness)
[08:05] <pitti> mvo: yep, debootstrap hanging without proxy
[08:06] <pitti> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13524595/
[08:07] <pitti> "wget -O- -q http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/InRelease" works fine, so it's not on the httpredir end
[08:10] <pitti> mvo: should I have libapt-inst1.5 installed? because I don't, only libapt-pkg5.0:amd64 and of course apt
[08:11] <pitti> hm, no, I dpkg -i'd libapt-inst2.0_1.1_amd64.deb and it doesn't help
[08:12] <mvo> pitti: 0% [Working] <- http:400%20URI%20Failure%0aURI:%20<UNKNOWN>%0aMessage:%20No%20user%20_apt,%20can%20not%20drop%20rights
[08:12] <mvo> pitti: that looks suspicious, do you have the "_apt" user in the chroot?
[08:12] <pitti> mvo: no, I don't
[08:13] <mvo> pitti: this is a apt bug on multiple levels, i.e. the user should be there and if its not there it should not fail like this
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: schroot copies passwd from the host by default, so I suppose it might overwrite the _apt user from teh chroot
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: mk-sbuild likely does the same
[08:15] <pitti> mvo: does "mk-sbuild sid" work for you on a system without the _apt user (i. e. ubunt)?
[08:15] <pitti> mvo: also, I don't think it's a good idea to rely on non-static system users for debootstrap?
[08:16] <pitti> mvo: perhaps apt could run the http processes as user "daemon", "sys", or "nobody"?
[08:17] <mvo> pitti: I'm looking into it now, it should definitely not fail in the first place if the user is not there
[08:18] <pitti> mvo: so that explains why it works in a dist-upgraded env, but not with mk-sbuild or schroot
[08:19] * pitti files an RC bug
[08:21] <mvo> pitti: please do, thank you
[08:31] <pitti> mvo: debian bug 806406 -- thanks for looking into it!
[08:35] * mvo hugs pitti
[08:42] * pitti hugs mvo back :/
[09:03] <Laney> yoho
[09:05] <Trevinho> morning
[09:07] <Laney> happy black friday!
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney btw ;-)
[09:09] <davmor2> Laney: You have just blackened my mood and it's friday but not I'm not happy ;)
[09:09] <davmor2> s/not I'm/now I'm
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:09] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:09] * Laney snuggles davmor2
[09:09] <Laney> it's going to be okay
[09:09] <Laney> go grab yourself a cheap sandwich toaster
[09:10] <davmor2> Laney: woohoo cheap sandwich toaster to gather dust with the other crap we don't use in the kitchen woohoo!
[09:12] <Laney> davmor2: maybe I can interest you in this jewel encrusted iphone case?
[09:13] <Laney> JUST BUY SOMETHING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
[09:13] <Laney> THE ECONOMY DEPENDS ON YOU
[09:13] <Laney> BUY THINGS!
[09:13] <willcooke> thanks laney, that server worked
[09:13] <willcooke> slow though
[09:13] <davmor2> Laney: no I don't have an iphone :P
[09:13] <didrocks> pitti: interestingly, it doesn't add -ll-cc for every sections
[09:13] <didrocks> pitti: check-language-support -l pt -> doesn't list myspell-pt-*
[09:13] <didrocks> only myspell-pt
[09:13] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:14] <Laney> some kind of DOS going on I think
[09:14] <didrocks> wb Laney, willcooke!
[09:14] <willcooke> :(
[09:14] <willcooke> why DOS freenode of all things
[09:14] <didrocks> pitti: so, it does it for hunspell, but not myspell :)
[09:14] <davmor2> willcooke: cause they think they are clever
[09:15] <didrocks> pitti: oh, but the UI shows the -cc contrary to the command line :/
[09:16] <didrocks> hum, no, I'm just stupid and missing --show-installed
[09:16] <seb128> willcooke, because it's better to DOS it that to win3.1 it?
[09:16] <didrocks> pitti: forget my remarks :)
[09:16] <seb128> willcooke, ok, -> [ ]
[09:16] <seb128> ;-)
[09:17] <willcooke> :)
[09:18] <Laney> thanks didrocks!
[09:21] <pitti> RAOF_: colord-gtk_0.1.26-1_source.changes REJECTED -Z "Source-only uploads to NEW are not allowed."
[09:21] <pitti> RAOF_: sorry, I'm afraid this has to wait until I get a working sid chroot back; or someone else can sponsor this for you, or you toss me a binary .changes?
[09:22] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:22] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning!
[09:22] <Laney> is this "note: don't upgrade apt in your chroots?"
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: so all good?
[09:22] <Laney> "?*
[09:22] <didrocks> pitti: yep!
[09:22] <pitti> Laney: in your sid schroot, yes
[09:29] <larsu__> good morning!
[09:33] <seb128> hey larsu! wie gehts?
[09:34] <Laney> hey ho larsu
[09:36] <larsu> morning seb128 and Laney!
[09:36] <larsu> doing good, other than > 30s lag on freenode right now
[09:37] <seb128> well it's better than not being able to connect
[09:37] <larsu> how are you?
[09:37] <seb128> which was the status half an hour ago :p
[09:37] <seb128> good, it's friday!
[09:37] <seb128> and I'm almost done refreshing/rewriting the nautilus patch, 3.18 update looks like it's getting there
[09:38] <seb128> what about you?
[09:38] <seb128> had a good train trip yesterday?
[09:38] <larsu> which patch?
[09:38] <seb128> the patches
[09:38] <seb128> the stack we have
[09:39] <larsu> ya, train was great (but a bit full)
[09:39] <larsu> ah right
[09:39] <seb128> like integration with the unity launcher to display a progress bar on copy
[09:39] <seb128> they replaced the copy dialog by popover
[09:39] <seb128> so the code totally changed
[09:39] <seb128> so it was to be rewritten
[09:39] <larsu> the menubar thing is ridiculous
[09:39] <larsu> all the "view" actions are in a separate action group which isn't on the bus
[09:39] <larsu> oh wow
[09:40] <seb128> sorry about the menubar :-/
[09:43] <larsu> we need some way to do this in gtk
[09:43] <larsu> at least mid term
[09:43] <seb128> yes
[09:43] <seb128> but for this cycle it's only going to be nautilus
[09:45] <happyaron> seb128: hey, I've read your msg
[09:45] <happyaron> seb128: I'll upload that during the weekend, already prepared
[09:45] <seb128> happyaron, hey, ok ... what do you think about wily?
[09:45] <larsu> yeah I can forward the actions manually to the window
[09:45] <larsu> which is what I'm doing now
[09:45] <seb128> unsure why IntelliJ refuses to work with the previous version
[09:46] <seb128> larsu, k
[09:46] <larsu> but that's (a) a big patch and (b) a lot of work
[09:46] <seb128> :-(
[09:46] <seb128> sorry man
[09:48] <larsu> thanks
[09:55] <happyaron> seb128: I think SRU is a good option
[10:56] <larsu> quiet here. Friday?
[11:01] <willcooke> friday, Thanksgiving, broken Freenode
[11:04] <larsu> it's thanksgiving?
[11:04] <larsu> oh indeed
[11:06] <hikiko> :D
[12:01] <mvo> pitti: your bug is fixed, upload will happy later today
[12:02] <mvo> pitti: thanks again for the really good report
[12:02] <pitti> mvo: I saw, cheers! *hug*
[12:51] <peter-bittner> seb128: I've got a question on application indicator menus. Via [1] I found a design document of the Sync Menu [2]. Is this being worked on?
[12:51] <peter-bittner> [1] https://github.com/owncloud/client/issues/1181
[12:52] <peter-bittner> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncMenu
[12:53] <seb128> peter-bittner, unsure, there was some work started on that some cycles ago but it stopped because we don't really have things integrating with it since u1 file was shuted down
[12:54] <seb128> charles_ (or maybe tedg) probably know the status better
[12:54] <seb128> they are U.S based and it's thanksgiving today though
[12:54] <seb128> so maybe try again next week
[12:54] <willcooke> *yesterday - but they're probably off for a long weekend
[12:54] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[12:56] <peter-bittner> I understand, thanks. I'll go and ask them. It would be nice to at least have the OS/desktop infrastructure in place to modivate technology providers to implement their integration with Ubuntu instead of doing their own standalone software.
[12:56] <seb128> right
[12:56] <peter-bittner> modivate -> motivate
[12:58] <anpok> peter-bittner: wrt to restoring window positions.. that you asked in ubuntu-mir .. there was a nitsplit and connection problems. Afaik nobody started that yet.. Some basic features needed for that are there.. but the actual position tracking.. serialization..
[12:58] <anpok> *net
[12:58] <peter-bittner> charles_: Are you reading this by accident?
[12:59] <anpok> hasnt been started yet. So this task can best be helped by some one implementing it..
[12:59] <seb128> shrug
[13:00] <seb128> xnox, thanks for that gconf upload, but there was a patch to fix that issue in launchpad which already had a round of review
[13:00] <peter-bittner> anpok: Can you provide some links (bug reports, documentation, ...) so that an outsider can look into the issue?
[13:00] <seb128> xnox, and I guess you didn't upstream you patch? there is no header suggesting you did
[13:01] <xnox> seb128, i did only a quick look at bugs and didn't spot anything.
[13:01] <seb128> xnox, it's on the sponsoring queue even
[13:01] <xnox> seb128, i would have thought this would have been fixed in wily, since e.g. ibus fails to build from source because of it.
[13:01] <xnox> seb128, *sigh* sorry =/
[13:01] <seb128> bug #unity apport hook
[13:01] <seb128> ups
[13:01] <peter-bittner> tedg: Are you reading this by accident?
[13:01] <xnox> i simply quickly ported it whilst bootstrapping and uploaded =(
[13:01] <seb128> bug #1519518
[13:02] <seb128> xnox, ^
[13:02] <seb128> xnox, do you plan to send the fix to upstream/Debian?
[13:02] <seb128> and why is ibus still using gconf? ;-)
[13:02] <seb128> happyaron, ^ can we stop that?
[13:03] <xnox> seb128, i'ts not using gconf.
[13:04] <xnox> seb128, it's using gsettings-schema-convert to create gsettings sceme from gconf. maybe they should stop doing it at runtime, and simply commit the generated gsettings schema and be done with it....
[13:04] <seb128> xnox, it's having a gconf schemas and transforming it to gsettings
[13:04] <seb128> right
[13:04] <seb128> the convert script is meant to be used once for porting
[13:04] <seb128> not to keep including the old format and generating the new one on build
[13:05] <xnox> seb128, don't close bugs until they migrate to -release ;-)
[13:05] <xnox> seb128, and i can comment myself when I screw up =)
[13:07] <seb128> xnox, ok, I though you did it doko's style and just decided to not bother with upstream/Debian/pending work... :-)
[13:07] <seb128> xnox, still let me know if you plan to upstream it, if not I can do it (though I would prefer if you do)
[13:08] <xnox> seb128, can we kill gconf instead ?! =)
[13:09] <seb128> xnox, we are trying to, not likely to be done for the LTS though
[13:09] <xnox> $ reverse-depends -b src:gconf --list | wc
[13:09] <xnox> 124 -> how?! why?!
[13:09] <xnox> 22 in main
[13:18] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[13:28] <desrt> good morning desktop folks
[13:28] <willcooke> hey desrt
[13:28] <didrocks> morning desrt
[13:31] <desrt> good morning willcooke, didrocks
[13:33] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:33] <seb128> Laney, do you remember why we split the gvfs goa backend out?
[13:34] <desrt> moin, seb
[13:34] <pitti> because we have (or had?) an UOA fork?
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, we have, but libgoa is on the iso anyway
[13:34] <seb128> would install the gvfs backend create any user visible change?
[13:35] <seb128> or is that iso space?
[13:35] <seb128> I imagine we might have hold libgoa off the iso at some point
[13:35] <seb128> but that's not true anymore
[13:37] <seb128> we don't have a way to configure goa but having the gvfs backend on disk might just be a no-op in that case
[13:37] <seb128> in which case I'm unsure the split still makes sense
[13:37] <Laney> I kind of remember something to do with touch
[13:37] <Laney> like not adding more depends to make removing it harder
[13:37] <Laney> is there a problem?
[13:37] <seb128> I'm also asking because the new gdrive backend which got included in gvfs-backends depends on libgoa
[13:37] <seb128> so if the goal was to make -backends not have that depends we need to move it
[13:38] <seb128> Laney, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1200827
[13:38] <seb128> but that states that gvfs-backends is not on touch anyway
[13:38] <seb128> unsure if we had plan to maybe get it there back then
[13:39] <seb128> but I think that's not likely
[13:39] <Laney> what's going to provide a gvfs like feature in unity8?
[13:39] <seb128> qt
[13:39] <Laney> has that?
[13:40] <Laney> +it
[13:40] <seb128> I guess
[13:40] <seb128> I would be surprised if they didn't
[13:40] <Laney> why would we have ever cared then?
[13:41] <seb128> I don't know
[13:41] <Laney> indeed
[13:41] <seb128> which is why I'm asking if somebody remembers :p
[13:41] <Laney> anyway I don't care about undoing it with the next release or whatever
[13:41] <Laney> can try harder if it becomes a problem
[13:41] <seb128> I'm not strong opinion
[13:41] <Laney> the old history will exist
[13:42] <Laney> to bring it back
[13:42] <seb128> I just noticed that 1.26 picked the depends on goa
[13:42] <seb128> which makes the split pointless
[13:42] <seb128> so either we move the gdrive backend
[13:42] <seb128> or drop the split
[13:42] <seb128> I'm going to open a bug about that
[13:42] <Laney> you shouldn't ask me, I always want to drop deltas
[13:42] <seb128> still unsure what option is best
[13:43] <seb128> lol
[13:43] <seb128> well, I wouldn't ask if I knew of a good reason to keep it
[13:43] <seb128> I'm not pushing to keep deltas when they are of no use
[13:46] <seb128> speaking of delta
[13:46] <Laney> :>
[13:46] <seb128> Laney, you said previous cycle you would get https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783172 in Debian, is that still on your list?
[13:46] <Laney> not actively
[13:47] <seb128> k, I might just upload to Ubuntu meanwhile then
[13:47] <Laney> is there a care factor?
[13:47] <Laney> if so then sure
[13:47] <seb128> yes
[13:47] <seb128> we want gtk out of the touch image
[13:47] <seb128> and there are talks about rebasing on xenial after release
[13:47] <seb128> so I would that fixed before the LTS if we can
[13:47] <seb128> +like
[13:47] <Laney> ok sounds good
[13:47] <Laney> if it was just theoretical then I wouldn't bother
[13:48] <Laney> I wrote it down
[13:48] <seb128> thanks
[13:49] <Laney> man these iterations are painful
[13:49] <Laney> hurry up and just work please
[13:59] <attente> seb128: we're dropping gtk from the touch image?
[14:00] <seb128> attente, we never had it here on purpose, we just have it because because things depends on it
[14:00] <seb128> attente, we might decide to keep gtk once the mir backend is good enough if we have apps using it
[14:00] <seb128> attente, also we are going to have it on pocket pc I guess
[14:01] <seb128> attente, in any case goa depends on webkitgtk and we don't want that one on the touch image for sure
[14:01] <Laney> apps will depend on it if they need it though
[14:01] <attente> oh ok
[14:02] <attente> can i still get a package review for https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/maliit-inputcontext-gtk/trunk?
[14:02] <seb128> attente, did is piloting, maybe he can do that as part of his shift ;-)
[14:03] <attente> oh ok
[14:03] <attente> i guess it's going to be hard to test on the phone because of the current state of gtk though...
[14:03] <seb128> well, you want packaging review?
[14:03] <seb128> or code testing?
[14:04] <attente> i guess just packaging review
[14:04] <attente> i've already tested it on the phone, but i'm not sure what the process is to add it as a new package in universe
[14:07] <seb128> found a sponsor to review/upload it for you
[14:07] <attente> seb128: thanks
[14:07] <seb128> usually open a bug with the packaging and subscribe sponsors
[14:07] <seb128> yw
[14:07] <didrocks> seb128: are you going to review nautilus' Trevinho's patch? (https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/nautilus/add-timestamp-operations/+merge/278748)
[14:08] <seb128> didrocks, oh, I can, I'm working on nautilus changes
[14:08] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for pointing it you
[14:08] <didrocks> seb128: no worry! thanks for reviewing :)
[14:09] <seb128> Trevinho, is that still an issue with the new nautilus which doesn't have a file copy dialog?
[14:12] <xclaesse> jjohansen, thanks, I'm on ubuntu wily, seems I have both
[14:19] <didrocks> seb128: Laney: I guess you are reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gtk/black-flicker-part2/+merge/278432, right?
[14:19] <didrocks> don't know if we should trusty this larsu guy :p
[14:20] <Laney> didrocks: I haven't, feel free to upload it please
[14:20] * Laney is in the deep well of charms
[14:22] <didrocks> Laney: ok, testing it first if seb128 doesn't handle it
[14:27] * Laney is pleased that he made this stuff appear on the queue ;-)
[14:27] * Laney tries a pit<tab> and fails
[14:27] * Laney cries
[14:28] <didrocks> attente: see my comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-control-center/fix-ftbfs-inline-zoom-options/+merge/278655
[14:29] <seb128> attente, do you build with another compiler?
[14:29] <attente> i was just using gcc 5
[14:30] <attente> but it behaves non-deterministically
[14:30] <didrocks> weird…
[14:30] <didrocks> I guess that doesn't worth an upload on itself and should be bundle with an u-c-c change, wdyt?
[14:30] <seb128> +1
[14:30] <attente> didrocks: i'm ok with that
[14:32] <Laney> non deterministic compilation
[14:32] <Laney> ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[14:33] <attente> i am using a ccache though, but that shouldn't have an effect, should it?
[14:35] <seb128> upstream did a similar change and their bug states is was failing to build with clang
[14:35] <seb128> the change seems right in any case
[14:35] <seb128> but the non deterministic is clearly bothering Laney :p
[14:36] <attente> ok *phew* i was starting to think i was insane...
[14:36] <Laney> doesn't it bother you?
[14:36] <Laney> :)
[14:36] <attente> it does now... thanks :P
[14:36] <didrocks> I would say it bother more Laney than seb128
[14:37] <didrocks> but that's my take of it
[14:37] * didrocks proposes a strawpoll
[14:37] <Laney> well I'm not proposing to do anything about it myself to be honest
[14:37] <Laney> so you shouldn't care that much about my level of botheration
[14:37] <didrocks> I bother that you don't want your botheration to be taken into account though
[14:39] <xclaesse> jjohansen, can I pass a dbus unique name (e.g. ":1") to GetConnectionCredentials ?
[14:44] <larsu> xclaesse: yep
[14:46] <happyaron> seb128: I remember it has stopped using gconf in favor of gsettings for a long time
[14:46] <happyaron> but will double check next week
[14:47] <seb128> happyaron, it should ship the gsettings schemas and stop doing gsettings-schemas-convert at build time
[14:47] <didrocks> sponsoring: first error, fixing, ok, second, fixing ok, third one -> ok, let's the guy build his package before proposing a "fix" that could never work
[14:47] <happyaron> I see
[14:52] * didrocks tried to stay politically correct on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/electrum/+bug/1499094
[15:07] <pitti> didrocks: well done
[15:08] <pitti> didrocks: also, there's really little point in fixing vivid now IMHO, it's going to be EOL in less than a month or so
[15:08] <pitti> well, a little more actually, so ok
[15:10] <didrocks> pitti: agreed
[15:20] <didrocks> seb128: want to comment on bug #1519187 ? ;)
[15:24] <xclaesse> jjohansen, could you explain what format am I supposed to get from aa_query_dconf_data() ?
[15:24] <xclaesse> jjohansen, what contains the array of entries?
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: yes to sync, that was just a misunderstanding in sponsoring; I uploaded the same fix to Debian and wanted to sync, but dholbach beat me to it
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: sso please go ahead
[15:25] <seb128> didrocks, +1? ;-)
[15:26] <didrocks> pitti: ah, making sense now, thanks !
[15:30] <didrocks> larsu: your gtk change looks good, sponsoring, thanks!
[15:35] <larsu> thanks!
[15:50] <pitti> mvo: \o/ thanks for the apt upload
[15:51] <mvo> pitti: yw, I prepared the apt ubuntu merge in git too, but maybe friday night is not the best time to do it
[15:51] * mvo will do it anyway
[15:52] <pitti> mvo: if you are unsure, upload it and tag some open apt bug with block-proposed, so that it can run through CI but not land until Monday
[15:53] <pitti> but *shrug*, I'm landing large britney changes as we speak, so yay for touching critical infrastructure right before running off for the weekend :)
[15:53] <didrocks> pitti: it's the *perfect* time for running off then!
[15:55] <mvo> pitti: :)
[15:56] <mvo> pitti: I need to land some snappy work now but once that is done I will see how much of the day I have left, I definitely want the new apt in, its really good. broke all schroots in debian but beside that its really good
[15:57] <pitti> mvo: looking forward to it!
[15:58] <xnox> mvo, is it an ABI transition for libapt?
[16:12] <mvo> xnox: yes, abi and (very small) api
[16:12] <Laney> woot
[16:13] <Laney> mvo: this has the configurable acquire stuff we want for appstream right?
[16:16] * Laney screams at glib2.0/autopkgtest
[16:16] <mvo> Laney: exactly
[16:16] <mvo> Laney: its also amazing in other ways, its fantastic
[16:16] <Laney> haha
[16:17] <Laney> I love the enthusiasm <3
[16:17] <mvo> Laney: no, I'm serious, its really cool. "apt-get install foo.deb" will work
[16:17] <Laney> yeah, I remember David's talk
[16:17] <Laney> and apt-get build-dep on unpacked packages right?
[16:18] <mvo> by-hash, lots of smarts in the acquire, i.e. if InRelease gives you a not-modified it will not bother with any child url etc
[16:18] <mvo> Laney: yes, that too
[16:18] <Laney> |o/
[16:18] <pitti> mvo: by-hash!
[16:18] * mvo is really happy about it
[16:18] <pitti> gimme gimme gimme
[16:18] <mvo> pitti: yes!
[16:18] <mvo> pitti: LP needs to catch up :P
[16:18] <Laney> oh man
[16:18] <pitti> ah, so this is not the end of "hash sum mismatch"
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: I just mass-retried these armhf failures
[16:19] <pitti> Laney: but erk, I dist-upgraded the armhf boxes this morning, and apparently the new lxc/lxcfs etc. are rather unhappy :(
[16:20] <Laney> pitti: I just looked at one and saw a systemd postinst(?) failure
[16:20] <pitti> yes, apparently some dbus problem or similar
[16:20] <pitti> they all fail the same way
[16:21] <pitti> Laney: so leave these to me (Monday..), but e. g. https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-xenial/xenial/i386/g/gobject-introspection/20151127_113513@/log.gz is interesteing
[16:21] <pitti> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtypes.h:423: syntax error, unexpected identifier in ' G_STATIC_ASSERT(sizeof (unsigned long long) == sizeof (guint64));' at 'G_STATIC_ASSERT'
[16:21] <pitti> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtypes.h:423: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting identifier or '(' or '*' or ';' in ' G_STATIC_ASSERT(sizeof (unsigned long long) == sizeof (guint64));' at ')'
[16:21] <pitti> yummy
[16:21] <Laney> haha
[16:22] <Laney> that sounds real...
[16:22] <pitti> Laney: so it's that (g-i), deja-dup, and these armhf failures
[16:23] <Laney> desrt: ^^^^ does that sound like some recent change to you?
[16:23] <Laney> (hi!)
[16:24] <desrt> yes.
[16:24] <desrt> what compiler is that?
[16:24] <desrt> also, i think that was already fixed
[16:25] <pitti> gcc (Ubuntu 5.2.1-23ubuntu1) 5.2.1 20151028
[16:25] <desrt> nope. i wrote a patch but it wasn't reviewed :)
[16:27] <Laney> pitti: sounds like don't sweat retrying stuff for glib then :)
[16:27] <pitti> Laney: I already did, and msot stuff failed again
[16:27] <desrt> pitti: i'd like to know the exact combination of stuff that made this fail
[16:27] <desrt> since normally this works fine with gcc
[16:27] <pitti> Laney: lxcfs got upgraded in wily today; I'll downgrade, see if that works, and if so mass-retry
[16:27] <Laney> this g-i one is going to be real
[16:27] <pitti> Laney: if it doesn't work, I give up and we fix this on MOnday
[16:28] <pitti> Laney: yes, but the failurs will affect pretty much all uploads to xenial
[16:28] <Laney> Fix general problems sure, but don't worry about retries for glib alone
[16:28] <pitti> desrt: are the package versions in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/data/packages/xenial/amd64/g/gobject-introspection/[email protected] (this also includes a diff) helpful?
[16:29] <desrt> i just pushed a fix to master
[16:29] <desrt> i guess this is probably another case of weird -std=c__ flags
[16:29] <Laney> apt-get source gobject-introspection -- look at debian/tests/tools
[16:29] <Laney> echo "g-ir-scanner..."
[16:29] <Laney> g-ir-scanner --include=cairo-1.0 --include=Gio-2.0 --namespace=Regress --nsversion=1.0 --header-only /usr/share/gobject-introspection-1.0/tests/*.h --output Regress.gir
[16:29] <desrt> starting to get annoyed by the fact that every compiler we use supports features that we want to make use of, but some people intentionally disable those with -std= flags
[16:29] <Laney> file Regress.gir | grep -q 'XML document' || { file Regress.gir; exit 1; }
[16:32] <pitti> Laney: so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxcfs/0.10-0ubuntu2.1 breaks this; downgrading to ubuntu2 works
[16:32] * pitti does that on all workers
[16:32] <Laney> cool, thanks
[16:33] <larsu> desrt: there's also --std=gnu* ;)
[16:33] <desrt> the gnu ones are mostly sane
[16:33] <larsu> ya
[16:35] * desrt ponders early lunch
[16:35] * desrt didn't have her usual morning chocolatine today
[16:37] <didrocks> time for week-end, see you guys!
[16:38] <desrt> didrocks: enjoy :)
[16:38] <didrocks> thanks, enjoy your lunch desrt ;)
[17:07] <seb128> willcooke, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/14.04+16.04.20151127-0ubuntu1 ... well done! :-)
[17:09] <willcooke> \o/
[17:09] <willcooke> thx seb128
[17:09] <seb128> yw!
[17:56] <davmor2> willcooke: can you play an album in rhythmbox on xenial?
[17:57] * Laney wonders if he is allowed to answer that one
[17:58] * willcooke hasnt tried
[17:58] * Laney is playing Jagged Little Pill right now
[17:59] <davmor2> willcooke: I just purchased the next track to tubular bells from 7 digital as part of the browser tests, and the track wasn't added initially, I had to remove the location in gsettings to fix that, but now it plays the first track and then plays fatboy slim for the second track
[18:02] <willcooke> I gotta shoot, xmas lights switch on with the kids
[18:03] <willcooke> let's pick it up again on Monday
[18:03] <willcooke> g'night
[18:04] <seb128> Laney, seems you are not :p
[18:09] <seb128> davmor2, wfm, are you sure you don't have the random button selected?
[18:09] <seb128> (the pressed/unpressed is not easy to see with our theme, known issue)
[18:12] <larsu> hm doesn't look pressed in at all...
[18:12] * larsu is happy we have a new theme maintainer
[18:13] <seb128> larsu, sorry for you, but notify-osd has a regression for your icon refactoring
[18:13] <larsu> yay
[18:13] <larsu> wait. un-yay
[18:13] <seb128> it tries to load cover arts as icons
[18:13] <larsu> what's up?
[18:13] <seb128> like it states can't find .cache/.... in the icon theme
[18:14] <seb128> try to play a song in rb from an album/song having a covert
[18:14] <larsu> I don't have any music on my computer
[18:14] <larsu> problem solved. NOTABUG
[18:14] <seb128> lol
[18:15] <larsu> hm not a problem in spotify
[18:16] <seb128> reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1520667
[18:17] <larsu> thanks
[18:17] <seb128> larsu, try $ notify-send -i /usr/share/pixmaps/language-selector.png "hey"
[18:18] <larsu> seb128: the spec doesn't allow this
[18:18] <larsu> throws a warning, but works for me
[18:18] <seb128> it was working before your changes
[18:18] <seb128> hum
[18:18] <seb128> what notify-osd version do you use?
[18:18] <seb128> it works if I downgrade
[18:18] <seb128> and breaks if I use the current xenial version
[18:19] <larsu> src
[18:19] <seb128> is your warning about notification-*
[18:19] <larsu> let me try xenial
[18:19] <seb128> loading icon 'notification-/usr/share/pixmaps/language-selector.png'
[18:19] <larsu> ah indeed
[18:19] <seb128> looks like you don't have https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/notify-osd/spam-a-bit-less/+merge/274382
[18:19] <seb128> in your build
[18:19] <seb128> ?
[18:20] <seb128> larsu, notify-send --help says
[18:20] <seb128> " -i, --icon=ICON[,ICON...] Specifies an icon filename or stock icon to display."
[18:20] <seb128> the filename can't be fully qualified one?
[18:21] <larsu> The "app_icon" parameter and "image-path" hint should be either an URI (file:// is the only URI schema supported right now) or a name in a freedesktop.org-compliant icon theme (not a GTK+ stock ID).
[18:21] <larsu> that's what the spec says
[18:22] <larsu> but apparently apps don't care (and neither does notify-send's help text), so let's fix that
[18:22] <larsu> thanks for bringing this up seb128
[18:22] <seb128> larsu, yw!
[18:34] <davmor2> seb128: yeap double checked it
[18:35] <davmor2> seb128: I double checked via the menu, how ever I think it might be the way the browse is set up, I'm digging into it some more
[18:37] <larsu> seb128: pushed a branch (attached at the bug)
[18:40] <larsu> and with that, I head off into the weekend. See you!
[18:40] <seb128> larsu, thanks!
[18:40] <seb128> larsu, have a good w.e!
[18:40] <larsu> thanks you too!
[18:40] * seb128 should do that as well
[18:40] <larsu> +1
[18:41] <seb128> have a good w.e everybody, see you on monday
[18:48] * Laney tries ./deploy.sh for the 999th time
[18:49] <Laney> everybody's gone!
[18:49] <Laney> guys!
[18:53] <seb128> Laney, I'm not!
[18:53] * seb128 spent the afternoon watching tennis while working so finishing some things, about to get them wrapped now
[18:53] <seb128> good work team u.k btw, 2 - 0
[18:53] <seb128> go Andy!
[18:58] <Laney> the news mentioned something about the UK doing badly or something
[19:04] <seb128> Laney, shrug, sorry it's 1-1, Andy won though ;-)
[19:05] <seb128> Laney, the first game u.k was up to 2 sets to 0 and I got carried away :p
[19:05] <seb128> (and lost 3 sets to 2)
[19:06] <davmor2> seb128: Yay discovered why, when the music got re-imported it set up you've come a long way baby in the play queue, so after playing the first track flipped over to the play queue
[19:07] <seb128> davmor2, k, good, at least it confirms album playing still works
[19:08] <davmor2> Now I've cleared that off lets see what happens now.......next track \o/
[19:15] <attente> seb128: does u-c-c deja-dup panel work for you?
[19:16] <seb128> yes
[19:16] <seb128> but e.u.c suggests it segfaults for quite some users
[19:16] <seb128> I can't reproduce though :/
[19:16] <seb128> mterry_ might know about it?
[19:16] <attente> i reproduce it every time
[19:16] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d0faa18652b68f4cd47c90a1cee56a3f9508cea8
[19:17] <seb128> the reports are all amd64 and I'm on i386
[19:17] <seb128> so maybe it's arch specific
[19:18] <seb128> the package didn't change since wily
[19:18] <seb128> so likely a glib or gtk update fallout?
[19:18] <attente> could be, i tried it with wily's glib and the crash still exists
[19:19] <seb128> hum, k
[19:19] <seb128> if you feel like debugging it that would be useful ;-)
[19:19] <Laney> broken for me!
[19:19] <seb128> you amd64 users...
[19:19] <Laney> http://162.213.34.169/logs/2015/11/27_1916.log
[19:19] <Laney> it's aliiiiiiiiiiive
[19:19] <attente> D:
[19:19] <Laney> from juju
[19:19] <seb128> wooot
[19:20] <Laney> that is a good </week> moment
[19:20] <Laney> happy weekend!
[19:20] <Laney> probably sneak on to make sure the html output works
[19:20] <Laney> but that will be some hours
[19:20] <Laney> ;-)
[19:27] <seb128> Laney, happy w.e as well!
[19:33] <mterry_> attente, seb128: sorry, was afk
[19:33] <mterry_> attente, seb128: I think I know what might cause it, will have a fix this weekend if so (it was fixed along with dropping python2)
[19:34] <mterry_> Was an int to pointer bug if so
[19:36] <attente> mterry_: ah, thanks! i guess it would explain why seb128 can't reproduce on i386
[19:40] <mterry_> seb128, you're still on i386!?
[19:41] <Sweet5hark> alpha1 pushed to prereleases, waiting for debian to tag a beta1 (as I'd prefer from a tag rather than a random commit on the branch). and with that, ...
[19:41] <Sweet5hark> ... closing the week. Have a nice weekend guys!
[19:43] <seb128> mterry_, yes, somebody needs to keep testing it ;-)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.007709
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Laney",
"RAOF",
"RAOF_",
"Sweet5hark",
"Trevinho",
"anpok",
"attente",
"davmor2",
"desrt",
"didrocks",
"happyaron",
"hikiko",
"hikiko_",
"jjohansen",
"larsu",
"larsu__",
"mterry_",
"mvo",
"peter-bittner",
"pitti",
"pitti_",
"seb128",
"willcooke",
"xclaesse",
"xnox"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-desktop.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-desktop"
}
|
2015-11-27-#xubuntu-devel
|
[07:20] <knome> !team | jose has just sent a mail to the development list about google code-in, we might want to participate; the contest starts on december 7, so the schedule with meeting is tight, thus this ping
[07:48] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, but could be that someone set up a more or less official PPA for testing
[07:49] <knome> hullo ochosi
[07:51] <Unit193> I know not of secret PPAs. :3
[08:10] <flocculant> ochosi: not seen anything either - trying to watch in -desktop for talk of that and the munged up gtk3 theme thing
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.013109
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Unit193",
"flocculant",
"knome",
"ochosi"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23xubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#xubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-nl
|
[15:03] <Skald_9_> hallo
[15:04] <Skald_9_> kan het kwaad om 32bit libraries toe te voegen in een 64bit distro?
[15:05] <Skald_9_> dat zou nodig zijn om een 32bit programma goed te kunnen draaien
[15:06] <lordievader> Een multi-arch systeem, kan prima.
[15:38] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre:i386
[15:40] <Skald_9_> ok, bedankt
[15:41] <Skald_9_> dus normaal geen probleem?
[15:45] <OerHeks> het kan prima, gewoon:386 erachter plaatsen
[17:54] <Skald_9_> ben je zeker dat verder niets moet doen OerHeks , want 't lukt niet zo goed
[17:54] <Skald_9_> ?
[18:06] <Skald_9_> sudo apt-get remove openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre:i386 dan maar?
[18:07] <Skald_9_> U kunt 'apt-get -f install' uitvoeren om dit op te lossen.
[18:07] <Skald_9_> De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten:
[18:07] <Skald_9_> default-jre:i386 : Vereisten: openjdk-7-jre:i386 (>= 7~u3-2.1.1) maar het is niet geïnstalleerd
[18:07] <Skald_9_> E: Er zijn vereisten waaraan niet voldaan is. Probeer -f te gebruiken.
[18:08] <Skald_9_> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre:i386 werkt niet echt
[18:15] <Skald_9_> of -f install ?
[18:33] <Skald_9_> wat als ik dpkg --remove-architecture i386 doe?
[18:35] <Skald_9_> want geeft problemen bij apt-get upgrade enzo
[18:52] <Skald_9_> dpkg --remove-architecture i386 && dpkg -l | grep i386 , maakt dit alles weer zoals voorheen?
[18:55] <Skald_9_> wb koen
[19:02] <OerHeks> vreemd, ik zou zweren dat je daarmee de 386 versie kreeg
[19:06] <Skald_9_> dit is geinstalleerd, maar er is iets foutgelopen
[19:08] <Skald_9_> in de /var/lib/dpkg/arch file
[19:08] <Skald_9_> staan de twee
[19:08] <Skald_9_> maar er is een fout die ik niet goed krijg
[19:10] <Skald_9_> apt-get -f install werkt niet zoals apt-get suggereerd
[19:10] <Skald_9_> t
[19:11] <Skald_9_> eerst sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 gedaan
[19:12] <Skald_9_> dan updat
[19:12] <OerHeks> ehh, dat is nooit nodig
[19:12] <Skald_9_> dan sudo apt-get -y install libc6:i386 libasound2:i386 libasound2-data:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386
[19:12] <OerHeks> ubuntu is al multiarch
[19:12] <Skald_9_> daarna wat jij zei
[19:12] <Skald_9_> oei
[19:12] <Skald_9_> valt dit te fixen?
[19:13] <OerHeks> ia32-libs zijn daarmee ook verdwenen
[19:13] <OerHeks> goeie vraag :-(
[19:13] <Skald_9_> ia32-libs opnieuw installeren?
[19:13] <OerHeks> zucht
[19:13] <OerHeks> nee
[19:14] <OerHeks> dat is de oude manier, vergeet dat maar.
[19:14] <Skald_9_> ok :(
[19:14] <OerHeks> en of die addarchtecture wel werkt, of verwijderd kan worden, ik weet het niet.
[19:15] <OerHeks> normaal zou een pakket en zijn broertje met :i386 voldoende moeten zijn
[19:17] <Skald_9_> probleem is dat ik telkens een de foutmelding krijg als ik wil wil upgraden
[19:22] <Skald_9_> apt-get -f remove ??
[19:23] <lordievader> -f -> fix, niet force.
[19:25] <Skald_9_> ja, las ik in de man page
[19:27] <Skald_9_> proberen te verwijderen met synaptic?
[19:35] <Skald_9_> denkt dat ik het opgelost heb
[19:39] <lordievader> Je kunt weer updaten?
[19:40] <Skald_9_> ja
[19:41] <Skald_9_> de 64 versie (opnieuw) geinstalleerd met synaptic
[19:41] <Skald_9_> dat zorgde ervoor dat dat pakket verwijderd werd
[19:43] <Skald_9_> maar daarmee kan ik nog steeds dat spel niet spelen dat ik op gog gekocht heb
[19:53] <SCHAAP137> Skald_9_: al geprobeerd met PlayOnLinux?
[19:54] <SCHAAP137> wellicht zit er een speciaal profiel in POL voor die specifieke game
[19:54] <Skald_9_> is dat niet voor de windowsversie?
[19:54] <SCHAAP137> ah, ja, ik viel om 20:33 binnen hier, heb denk ik het begin vd conversatie gemist
[19:54] <SCHAAP137> ging er ff vanuit dat het om een Windows game ging
[19:55] <Skald_9_> nee the witcher 2 : linux versie
[19:55] <SCHAAP137> wat/hoe gaat het mis?
[19:57] <Skald_9_> ik had waarschijnlijk sudo apt-get -y install libc6:i386 libasound2:i386 libasound2-data:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386 niet mogen doen :/
[19:57] <OerHeks> jawel, dat is niet verkeerd, volgens my
[19:57] <SCHAAP137> dat zou moeten kunnen, meerdere arch's tegelijk
[19:57] <SCHAAP137> heb ik hier ook
[19:57] <Skald_9_> heb met synaptic de 64bit dingen nu (opnieuw) geinstalleerd
[19:58] <Skald_9_> er waren liberaries verwijderd
[19:58] <SCHAAP137> haalt ie dan de i386 equivalenten weer weg?
[19:59] <SCHAAP137> wat ik had gedaan op het begin, was
[19:59] <Skald_9_> nee
[19:59] <SCHAAP137> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[19:59] <SCHAAP137> en dan apt-get updaten, en die i386 dingen installeren
[19:59] <Skald_9_> heb ik gedaan
[20:00] <SCHAAP137> hmm
[20:00] <Skald_9_> en daarna sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre:i386
[20:02] <Skald_9_> de 32bit liberaries zijn niet verwijderd, maar die openjdk-7-jre:i386 wel, en vervangen door 64bit versie
[20:02] <SCHAAP137> hmm
[20:03] <SCHAAP137> vreemd dat die mutually exclusive zouden zijn
[20:03] <Skald_9_> na synaptic te hebben gebruikt
[20:03] <SCHAAP137> qua environment vars is er geen onderscheid tussen x86/x64 JAVA_HOME
[20:03] <Skald_9_> met apt-get lukte het me niet
[20:03] <SCHAAP137> dus in die zin, is het enigszins logisch
[20:03] <SCHAAP137> misschien aptitude nog testen
[20:04] <Skald_9_> ik kan eens een reboot proberen :p
[20:05] <Skald_9_> en ja, maar wat moet ik nu nog installeren en/of verwijderen?
[20:05] <SCHAAP137> kzou zo veel mogelijk de startsituatie proberen te behouden
[20:05] <SCHAAP137> maar dan met die dpkg arch add, en de i386 packages die kunnne
[20:05] <SCHAAP137> *kunnen
[20:05] <Skald_9_> die staan er nog op
[20:06] <SCHAAP137> dat er iig geen amd64 packages weg zijn die je wel aan het begin had
[20:06] <Skald_9_> hoe weet ik dat zeker?
[20:07] <Skald_9_> want was hier nu al gokwerk :p
[20:07] <SCHAAP137> hmm, beste gok is (denk ik), alles wat je i386 moet hebben, ook checken of de amd64 aanwezig is
[20:07] <lordievader> Je hebt daadwerkelijk java nodig voor the Witcher?
[20:07] <SCHAAP137> en sowieso alleen i386 hebben waarvan je ook de amd64 hebt
[20:07] <SCHAAP137> inzoverre dat mogelijk is
[20:08] <SCHAAP137> dan breek je iig niets
[20:09] <SCHAAP137> als het echt misgaat kun je nog met sudo taskel dingen opschonen, maar dat heeft wel wat meer collateral damage
[20:10] <SCHAAP137> *tasksel
[20:11] <Skald_9_> ik denk dat ik alles opnieuw heb van 64
[20:12] <SCHAAP137> ik denk dat er dan nix zou moeten breken
[20:13] <SCHAAP137> het is vast niet zo gek als het lijkt, er moet een verklaring zijn dat het niet lukt met die game
[20:14] <Skald_9_> misschien werkt het via wine want het is multiplatform, eens kijken of ik een .exe file kan vinden
[20:14] <SCHAAP137> ja, wellicht werkt de windows versie via POL ook
[20:14] <SCHAAP137> of gewoon via de wine uit je systeem, maar kvind PlayOnLinux wel erg fijn
[20:15] <SCHAAP137> dat het een soort eigen WINE container maakt, per applicatie
[20:15] <Skald_9_> als het een en dezelfde versie is
[20:15] <SCHAAP137> kunt ook custom dingen installeren, zelf een WINE versie + arch kiezen, etc
[20:15] <SCHAAP137> echt goed spul
[20:15] <SCHAAP137> per losse WINE container aparte extra componenten erbij
[20:16] <SCHAAP137> zeer handig
[20:16] <SCHAAP137> via packages is 4.2.6 er, maar de meest recente .deb van hun website werkt ook prima, zoniet beter
[20:16] <SCHAAP137> 4.2.9 oid
[20:16] <Skald_9_> oninstalleren dus en opnieuw via playonlinux/wine
[20:16] <SCHAAP137> dat zou ik zelf wel doen
[20:17] <SCHAAP137> althans, als er een profiel in zit voor die game
[20:17] <SCHAAP137> anders kun je het afkijken bij WineHQ's AppDB
[20:18] <SCHAAP137> Skald_9_: http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/15/1127/h_1448655518_4373087_e731407760.png
[20:18] <SCHAAP137> zit er wel in
[20:18] <Skald_9_> jep
[20:19] <Skald_9_> nu de beste manier vinden om dat spel te verwijderen
[20:20] <SCHAAP137> ik zou enigszins terughoudend zijn met "linux versies" van games op GOG.com , misschien om deze reden, dat het lastig controleerbaar is wat het exact doet en installeert
[20:20] <SCHAAP137> via Steam gaat het prima iig, al die games
[20:21] <SCHAAP137> WINE werkt voor sommige dingen erg betrouwbaar, zeker de iets oudere games
[20:21] <SCHAAP137> bijna alle DirectX 9.0 tijdperk games draaien daar echt prima mee
[20:22] <SCHAAP137> *tot en met DX9
[20:23] <Skald_9_> ze verkopen het ook via steam
[20:23] <SCHAAP137> die linux steam werkt ook bij gratie van een bergje i386 packages
[20:23] <SCHAAP137> iig bij de initele installatie
[20:24] <SCHAAP137> installeert ie ook een bergje OpenGL en mesa3d dingen
[20:24] <Skald_9_> steam lijkt nog prima te werken, heb het getest
[20:24] <SCHAAP137> cool
[20:25] <Skald_9_> had het misschien beter daar aangeschaft
[20:25] <SCHAAP137> alle games die ik derop heb, werken erg betrouwbaar
[20:25] <SCHAAP137> Chivalry: Deadliest Warrior gaat wel een heel stuk langzamer dan in Windows helaas
[20:25] <SCHAAP137> maar CS:S en CS:GO gaan weer sneller in linux
[20:26] <SCHAAP137> geen GPU hierin zitten, gewoon intel i7-4790K + intel hd 4600, onboard
[20:26] <SCHAAP137> ik overweeg een GTX 960 4GB te halen, MSI wrsch
[20:26] <SCHAAP137> of ASUS
[20:27] <SCHAAP137> 250 pegels ofzo
[20:27] <SCHAAP137> een 970 zou nog mooier zijn, maar 360 euri vind ik net wat te gortig
[20:28] <Skald_9_> 960 hier
[20:28] <SCHAAP137> nice, 2GB of 4GB?
[20:28] <SCHAAP137> 4K scherm? ik heb enkel 27"op full HD, 1920*1080
[20:29] <SCHAAP137> LED scherm van Samsung
[20:30] <Skald_9_> led van phillips 1920*1080
[20:31] <OerHeks> 1680x1050 :-D
[20:31] <Skald_9_> bija alles asus, kast van corsair
[20:32] <Skald_9_> ssd samsung (pak goedkoper)
[20:32] <SCHAAP137> asrock z97 pro4, intel i7-4790K, samsung 830 ssd 256GB, 1TB toshiba hdd, zooitje externe schijven
[20:33] <SCHAAP137> coolermaster n400 kast
[20:33] <SCHAAP137> seasonic 550w "gold" voeding
[20:33] <SCHAAP137> Client: HexChat 2.11.0 • OS: Ubuntu "wily" 15.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (3,21GHz) • Memory: Physical: 22,7 GiB Total (20,6 GiB Free) Swap: 23,1 GiB Total (23,1 GiB Free) • Storage: 2,9 TB / 4,4 TB (1,5 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Upti
[20:33] <SCHAAP137> me: 1h 23m 18s
[20:33] <SCHAAP137> 24GB RAM ;P
[20:34] <SCHAAP137> dingen compilen op deze machine, is absurd, make -j9
[20:34] <SCHAAP137> openssl duurt ongeveer 1 minuut
[20:44] <Skald_9_> mogelijk heeft m'n gtx 960 te weinig geheugen zegt play on linux ...
[20:44] <Skald_9_> afwachten
[20:45] <Skald_9_> is nochtans geen nieuwe titel; witcher 3 is zelfs al een tijdje uit
[20:46] <lordievader> SCHAAP137: Ben je al Gentoo gaan draaien?
[20:46] <Skald_9_> shit hij vraagt exe-files die er niet zijn :p
[20:47] <SCHAAP137> lordievader: nee, gewoon trouw aan Ubuntu
[20:47] <SCHAAP137> lordievader: kheb wel een laptop met OpenBSD 5.8-STABLE
[20:56] <Skald_9_> met play on linux lukt het dus niet
[20:57] <SCHAAP137> hmm,
[20:59] <Skald_9_> geef het op voor vandaag
[21:02] <Skald_9_> was toch korting van 85%, ben er maar een paar euro's aan kwijt
[21:03] <Skald_9_> ik zal het maar bij steam houden voorlopig
[21:06] <OerHeks> games op steam kunnen wel $50 kosten .. en dan moet je goed naar de specs kijken, ook nog
[21:06] <OerHeks> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-103/
[21:07] <OerHeks> p59 "Additional Notes: AMD and Intel cards are NOT supported."
[22:16] <SCHAAP137> herkenbaar Skald_9_
[22:17] <SCHAAP137> als ik iets op Steam zie voor enkele euri, verleidt het me soms ook om het aan te schaffen, puur vanwege die schamele prijs
[22:18] <SCHAAP137> oei, kzie dat er weer n steam sale is
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.030394
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"OerHeks",
"SCHAAP137",
"Skald_9_",
"lordievader"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-nl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-nl"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-us-mi
|
[00:54] <wolfger> Happy Thanksgiving, gamerchick02, cmaloney, et al
[14:44] <cmaloney> morning
[14:44] <cmaloney> Happy post-Thanksgiving
[15:23] <Scary_Guy> Happy black friday. where the deals are made up and the customers don't matter
[16:14] <cmaloney> Who's line is that anyway?
[19:46] <gamerchick02> so much for a day off. i've been helping my mom do some deep cleaning.
[19:54] <rick_h_> wheeee
[22:35] <cmaloney> Woo woo
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.033479
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Scary_Guy",
"cmaloney",
"gamerchick02",
"rick_h_",
"wolfger"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-mi"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-pt
|
[03:45] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[22:14] <astroo-> ola pessoal
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.034049
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"astroo-"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-pt.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-pt"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-us-tn
|
[01:01] <Unit193> Happy Thanksgiving, people of Tennessee.
[11:18] <average_guy> nice
[20:47] <minasota> it's quite, almost too quite...
[21:33] <cyberanger> So quiet you can hear a PING drop
[23:53] <Juzzy> https://www.dropbox.com/s/93h44vstyfyv1p2/Photo%20Nov%2027%2C%204%2049%2034%20PM.jpg?dl=0
[23:53] <Juzzy> my 35' neon mega tree (LEDs_
[23:53] <Juzzy> )
[23:53] <Juzzy> the flag pole is just over 40
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.035575
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Juzzy",
"Unit193",
"average_guy",
"cyberanger",
"minasota"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-us-tn.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-tn"
}
|
2015-11-27-#ubuntu-ie
|
[09:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:54] <zergless> o/
[09:55] <slashbel> good morning
[09:59] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[09:59] <zergless> Grand
[09:59] <zergless> trying to get in the mood to do work
[09:59] <czajkowski> ah tis Friday very hard to do
[09:59] <czajkowski> and I've been off since Wednesday back Monday so no work for me :D
[10:00] <zergless> >.>
[10:00] <zergless> <.<
[10:00] <zergless> swap?
[10:01] <czajkowski> needed to use up annual leave :)
[10:01] <zergless> oh how awful :P
[10:04] <slashbel> have fun on your holiday
[10:20] <czajkowski> slashbel: mostly done paper work and wedding lark
[10:22] <slashbel> do you have a date?
[10:38] <czajkowski> 23/4/16
[10:40] <slashbel> which country?
[10:46] <zergless> the day before my bday :)
[11:07] <monkeynuts> Hup!...new here having a look at what ubunutu people look like
[11:11] <zergless> Is there a site for that?
[11:13] <monkeynuts> zoo.ie? hehe jk..
[11:13] <zergless> >..
[11:19] <czajkowski> there is loco.ubuntu.com
[11:19] <czajkowski> list of all the locos world wide
[11:19] <czajkowski> members and mailing list info
[11:19] <czajkowski> some times teams add photos
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.037701
| 2015-11-27T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"czajkowski",
"monkeynuts",
"slashbel",
"zergless"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/27/%23ubuntu-ie.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ie"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-ir
|
[16:28] <sadodah> salam
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.041753
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"sadodah"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-ir.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ir"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-se
|
[14:47] <molgrum> någon som har koll på mailservrar? undrar hur man går tillväga för att tillägga PUSH/IDLE
[14:47] <molgrum> tillväga*
[14:48] <molgrum> jaha, jag skrev ju rätt
[14:48] <molgrum> :)
[16:22] <andol> molgrum: Kör mailserver tillhandhåller IMAP via Dovecot, och den verkar fixa IDLE rakt ur lådan.
[16:23] <andol> Min mailserver...
[16:43] <molgrum> andol: okej, hemsidan var inte så snygg men mjukvaran kanske är det :)
[16:46] <senate> dovecot är smutt
[16:48] <Barre> dovecot är nog den vanligaste email-servern där ute (skjuter helt från höften, men det finns gigantiska installationer dovecot där ute)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.048539
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Barre",
"andol",
"molgrum",
"senate"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-se.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-se"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-cloud
|
[14:04] <Merlijn_S> Has the session started yet? The video isn't visible..
[14:06] <mbruzek> Merlijn_S: I don't see it either
[14:06] <open_komputes> somebody please call jcastro
[14:08] <mbruzek> Jorge is working on it I am told
[14:08] <mbruzek> Please stand by
[14:09] <open_komputes> - \o\
[14:10] <open_komputes> - /o/
[14:10] <open_komputes> everybody say yea-o
[14:13] <mbruzek> Video has changed for me. Do you see Starting soon.... ?
[14:13] <Merlijn_S> Jep, thx!
[14:14] <open_komputes> woohoo - \o/
[14:14] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcWFozuIDm8dkpreL6Q0nZIpRns7eYZqOWJw5yHP1DNBIFZpg?hl=en&authuser=0
[14:14] <jcastro> if you wanna hang out
[14:15] <komputes> echo (echo)
[14:15] <open_komputes> nm, two tabs
[14:17] <open_komputes> ouch
[14:17] <mbruzek> sorry about the technical difficulties
[14:17] <mbruzek> Please join the hangout if you want
[14:18] <RaphSoeiro> Google logo blocking the top left, can you bring your terminal down a bit?
[14:18] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[14:21] <tulkastaldo> hello, or something
[14:22] <mbruzek> Hello and welcome
[14:22] <mbruzek> Please preface the question with QUESTION:
[14:22] <mbruzek> If you have any questions
[14:23] <open_komputes> QUESTION: what did you need to configure before 'juju bootstrap' on your machine
[14:23] <open_komputes> (specifically to config AWS)
[14:23] <mbruzek> open_komputes: you need to install juju and configure it with your AWS credentials
[14:23] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[14:23] <mbruzek> aws link: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/config-aws
[14:24] <mbruzek> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable
[14:27] <mbruzek> http://developer.juju.solutions/
[14:27] <mbruzek> Please sign up here if you are developing charms.
[14:27] <mbruzek> This is our program
[14:29] <mbruzek> That Jorge spoke about just minutes ago
[14:30] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/
[14:30] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/store
[14:31] <mbruzek> Juju charm store link to wordpress : https://jujucharms.com/q/wordpress
[14:33] <mbruzek> Please let me know if you have any questions
[14:33] <mbruzek> if we are going too fast
[14:34] <mbruzek> or if we move through something and you have questions
[14:42] <mbruzek> http://54.80.48.142/
[14:42] <mbruzek> blog is live
[14:49] <open_komputes> QUESTION: how do you automate scaling up wordpress or maria-db when met with peak traffic
[14:50] <mbruzek> http://54.144.117.184/
[14:50] <mbruzek> Blog through HA proxy
[15:04] <cory_fu> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-building
[15:11] <cory_fu> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[15:11] <cory_fu> https://github.com/johnsca/juju-relation-mysql
[15:13] <cory_fu> https://github.com/johnsca/apache-php
[15:17] <cory_fu> https://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/
[15:35] <mbruzek> cory_fu: reminder you need to have JUJU_REPOSITORY set to build the charm in the right directory
[15:36] <mbruzek> Not having JUJU_REPOSITORY environment variable set has tripped me up a few times
[15:40] <mbruzek> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[15:40] <lazypower> !QUESTION the build process is an add only process right? if i rebuild and i've removed a file, an interface, etc., does it reflect this in the built charm?
[15:40] <mbruzek> This page shows the intefaces and layers
[15:40] <mbruzek> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/layer/apache-php/
[15:41] <mbruzek> This is the Apache php layer
[15:41] <mbruzek> You can see it is on version 1
[15:52] <Icey> lazypower can you not just rm -r $TARGET_CHARM and then rebuild?
[16:12] <kjackal> Looks great, could we talk about "benchmarking coverage"?
[16:13] <kjackal> How many charms do we have with benchmarks?
[16:13] <jcastro> good question, I'll bring it up
[16:15] <mbruzek> http://blog.cloud-benchmarks.org/
[16:31] <kjackal> It would be great to have great visualizations on the benchmarks results. Eg graphs stack diagrams
[16:31] <aisrael> kjackal: That's a great idea. We'll have something to that effect coming soon!
[18:39] <mbruzek> ARe there any questions?
[19:01] <cory_fu> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10ZfjFECmN1MKLOxtcp_9abHbJQNbZwyfAfQWCJeRfxc/edit#slide=id.gbc959c588_1_144
[19:01] <cory_fu> Sorry, first slide link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10ZfjFECmN1MKLOxtcp_9abHbJQNbZwyfAfQWCJeRfxc/edit#slide=id.p
[19:15] <Merlijn_S> would this vendor thing make it possible to choose if you want to deploy vanilla hadoop or cdh5 ?
[19:15] <cory_fu> That's the idea, yes
[19:15] <cory_fu> To make it easy for a vendor to tweak the charm to their specific dir, port, user, etc configuration
[19:16] <Merlijn_S> Great! I'll look into that, I currently have a fork of the hadoop charms to deploy cdh5
[19:32] <lazypower> !QUESTION As a fellow charmer, and the iPy Notebook bundle... if i stuff all this log data in logstash can i get at it with iPyNotebook + hadoop?
[19:32] <udsbotu> lazypower: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:36] <lazypower> Ah, ok. so we need to push the data over HDFS to the big data units
[19:36] <lazypower> ok, that doesn't seem unreasonable
[19:37] <lazypower> also, sorry if called out - just curious what i can do with it today
[19:42] <admcleod-> lazypower: apparently elasticsearch has native hadoop and spark support
[19:45] <lazypower> admcleod- i was reading about that
[19:45] <lazypower> and for those that would rather, it appears you can even hook up kafka with an ES river to directly event ingest from ES
[19:45] <lazypower> *ingest events
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.053891
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Icey",
"Merlijn_S",
"RaphSoeiro",
"admcleod-",
"aisrael",
"cory_fu",
"jcastro",
"kjackal",
"komputes",
"lazypower",
"mbruzek",
"open_komputes",
"tulkastaldo",
"udsbotu"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-cloud.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-cloud"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-ru
|
[09:31] <tagezi> утра всем
[09:53] <Leagnus> угу
[17:50] <Sergey_IT> вечера всем...угу
[17:51] <andrex> ночера
[17:52] <tagezi> вечера, очера.. по UTF 0 ещё день )
[18:24] <Sergey_IT> tagezi, это что за кодировка utf 0?
[18:24] <tagezi> ээ
[18:25] <tagezi> Sergey_IT: utc
[18:25] <tagezi> пальци кривые
[18:40] <andrex> tagezi: ломик дать?
[18:41] <tagezi> andrex: думаешь, это выпрямит их? ))
[18:41] <andrex> ну не выпрямит так отломает)
[18:41] <andrex> потом новые вырастут)
[18:54] <Sergey_IT> проще клаву отрихтовать, под кривые руки )
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.059765
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Leagnus",
"Sergey_IT",
"andrex",
"tagezi"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-ru.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ru"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-cat
|
[21:00] <AniolM> Bona nit!
[21:00] <aniolgarcia> Hola, bona nit!
[21:00] <rafael_carreras> ###################################################################
[21:00] <josepgallart> Bona nit
[21:00] <rafael_carreras> bon vespre a tithom
[21:00] <rafael_carreras> tothom
[21:01] <rafael_carreras> un moment que cerco l'ordre del dia :-P
[21:02] <rafael_carreras> Preparació de la festa, últims retocs
[21:02] <rafael_carreras> a la Volcànica d'Olot el 28 de novembre, loco-directory, cartell, formulari.
[21:03] <rafael_carreras> sí, s'ha d'apuntar la festa al loco-directory, algun voluntari?
[21:04] <rafael_carreras> jo ho feia abans, però no em funciona el compte allà i no m'ho han solucionat
[21:04] <josepgallart> jo no ser pas com sa de fer
[21:04] <AniolM> Jo no ho he fet mai.
[21:04] <aniolgarcia> Jo tampoc
[21:05] <rafael_carreras> josepgallart: em sembla que ho vas fer tu l'últim cop
[21:05] <josepgallart> =-O
[21:05] <josepgallart> be dons em tindras que fer memoria
[21:06] <AniolM> Es fa des d'aquí? http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu.cat/events/
[21:06] <rafael_carreras> als altres: és prou fàcil, s'hi entra amb el compte de Launchpad
[21:06] <rafael_carreras> AniolM: exacte
[21:06] <AniolM> Doncs ja que hi sóc l'afegeixo, a veure si me'n surto
[21:07] <rafael_carreras> molt bé, AniolM
[21:08] <rafael_carreras> ara parlem del cartell
[21:08] <rafael_carreras> tradicionalment, el feia el Sergi, li demanem un altre cop?
[21:09] <josepgallart> quan mes gent implicada millor
[21:09] <rafael_carreras> doncs l'hi diré
[21:09] <josepgallart> si no pot mo dius i el puc fer jo
[21:10] <rafael_carreras> i les acreditacions? en farem aquest cop?
[21:10] <AniolM> 27 de novembre o 28?
[21:10] <aniolgarcia> 28 no?
[21:10] <josepgallart> 28
[21:10] <AniolM> Ep sí
[21:10] <AniolM> Lapsus, el 27 és divendres.
[21:11] <josepgallart> aqui la info.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/Activitats/WilyWerewolf
[21:12] <AniolM> Ok
[21:12] <AniolM> josepgallart, l'últim cop el vas crear tu
[21:12] <josepgallart> no o recordava
[21:13] <josepgallart> :-/
[21:15] <rafael_carreras> creieu que val la pena que seguim fent acreditacions com fins ara?
[21:15] <josepgallart> no o ser
[21:15] <josepgallart> potser no
[21:15] <rafael_carreras> ho dic perquè ens treu temps per ajudar amb instal·lacions, per exemple
[21:16] <josepgallart> es cert i som molt poquets
[21:16] <rafael_carreras> podem provar a no fer-les aquest ciop i veure si la gen t es queixa
[21:16] <josepgallart> +1
[21:17] <rafael_carreras> ara només queda el formulari d'inscripció
[21:17] <rafael_carreras> que farà el wagafo com sempre
[21:18] <rafael_carreras> tnim un parell de llocs buits a la graella, però no cal que ho posem al formulari
[21:19] <AniolM> Afegit: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu.cat/3250-festa-wily-werewolf-ubuntu-1510/
[21:20] <rafael_carreras> gràcies AniolM, ha quedat molt bé
[21:20] <AniolM> He fet copiar i enganxar de l'últim hehehe
[21:21] <rafael_carreras> ja he demanat el Conference Pack habitual
[21:21] <rafael_carreras> suposo que arribarà la setmana vinent
[21:22] <josepgallart> es aquell que inclou quatre telèfons i dos portàtils ?
[21:22] <josepgallart> :P
[21:25] <rafael_carreras> hehe, no
[21:25] <josepgallart> :'(
[21:27] <aniolgarcia> Seria tot un detall per part de canonical
[21:27] <aniolgarcia> ;)
[21:28] <AniolM> I... Què inclou el pack?
[21:28] <rafael_carreras> un parell de samarretes, bolis, enganxines i xapes, crec
[21:29] <AniolM> D'acord!
[21:30] <rafael_carreras> hi ha alguna cosa més que haguem de parlar?
[21:30] <rafael_carreras> de la festa, vull dir
[21:30] <aniolgarcia> bé, jo m'ofereixo, tal com a l'última festa, per ajudar en tot allò que calgui
[21:31] <AniolM> Jo també
[21:31] <josepgallart> jo tambe
[21:31] <AniolM> Suposo que ser per allà a les 9, o abans?
[21:31] <rafael_carreras> ui no, que no crec que ens obrin abans
[21:31] <rafael_carreras> per cert, ho hauré de prenguntar
[21:32] <josepgallart> i tambe caldra info sobre on dinar
[21:32] <rafael_carreras> també
[21:32] <aniolgarcia> Sí, això és important hehe
[21:32] <rafael_carreras> i ens cal un voluntari per la xerrada inicial
[21:32] <josepgallart> jo portare usbs amb les ISO
[21:33] <AniolM> Jo en puc portar un parell de cremats també
[21:33] <rafael_carreras> molt bé, josepgallart
[21:33] <josepgallart> que cal explicar a la xerrada?
[21:33] <AniolM> Per dinar un tuper i avall!
[21:33] <rafael_carreras> josepgallart: el de sempre
[21:33] <josepgallart> dons ja o fare jo
[21:34] <rafael_carreras> molt bé!
[21:34] <rafael_carreras> serà de mitja hora només, segons diu la graella
[21:35] <AniolM> Jo tinc un petit dubte: les xerrades han de ser molt centrades en Ubuntu o poden ser més generals?
[21:35] <rafael_carreras> comencem a les 10:15, asiíq eue podem quedar a les 9:30 h a la porta
[21:35] <AniolM> D'acord
[21:35] <aniolgarcia> Perfecte
[21:36] <rafael_carreras> AniolM: la idea és que tinguin a veure amb ubuntu, encara que sigui de passada
[21:36] <rafael_carreras> per què ho diu?
[21:36] <rafael_carreras> dius
[21:37] <AniolM> D'acord, merci. Per si se me n'acudís alguna ;)
[21:37] <wagafo> Bones, disculpes, se m'ha fet tard. Llegiré el registre
[21:37] <josepgallart> ubuntu o totes les seves derivades
[21:37] <AniolM> Hola!
[21:38] <AniolM> D'acord, ho tindré en ment. Si tinc alguna idea t'ho dic rafael_carreras
[21:38] <wagafo> He de fer el formulari per a la festa?
[21:39] <AniolM> Per dalt s'ha dit que sí
[21:39] <rafael_carreras> wagafo: sí :)
[21:39] <wagafo> D'acord, ja et demanaré les dades per a dinar si n'hi ha
[21:40] <wagafo> Una cosa que necessitarem és un router, per si podem muntar el mirall per a les install
[21:40] <wagafo> Algú en té?
[21:40] <AniolM> Jo en puc portar un
[21:40] <AniolM> Un mikrotik RB750 va bé?
[21:41] <wagafo> No tinc ni idea, és un d'aquells que simplement reben xarxa i distribueixen, totes connexions Ethernet
[21:41] <AniolM> Es pot configurar així, sí
[21:41] <wagafo> Li preguntaré a l'Àlex exactament què necessitem, però em sembla que és això
[21:41] <AniolM> Té 5 ports Fastethernet
[21:41] <AniolM> Sense wireless i el 1r ha de ser per WAN
[21:42] <wagafo> El de WAN també és Ethernet?
[21:42] <AniolM> Sí
[21:42] <AniolM> http://routerboard.com/RB750
[21:43] <wagafo> Doncs deu ser això, però si ve molta gent a instal·lar 5 connexions poden quedar-se curtes.
[21:43] <AniolM> Un Switch
[21:43] <wagafo> Sí, em sembla que és això
[21:43] <AniolM> Crec que en tinc un
[21:43] <AniolM> Un moment
[21:44] <AniolM> Sí, tinc un Switch de 8 ports i algun AP, voleu que els porti per posar wi-fi?
[21:45] <Radu_> Hola a tots!
[21:45] <AniolM> Hola!
[21:45] <wagafo> Hola Radu_
[21:45] <josepgallart> Hola radu!
[21:45] <aniolgarcia> Hola, bona nit!
[21:45] <wagafo> Suposo que wifi no farà falta, ja en tindran, i amb el mirall tampoc la necessitem per a l'install
[21:46] <wagafo> El switch de 8 ports és el que necessitem
[21:46] <AniolM> Ok, doncs el porto
[21:46] <AniolM> Tinc un Catalyst, però ja és passar-se :P
[21:46] <wagafo> A més d'alguns quants cables de xarxa, però potser ens puguin donar allà
[21:46] <AniolM> També en tinc molts, i cap a 200m per crimpar
[21:47] <wagafo> Més de vuit no necessitem, no tenim més ports...
[21:47] <wagafo> I si tenim 8 persones instal·lant ja seria un lux
[21:47] <wagafo> luxe
[21:47] <AniolM> Si creieu que ve més gent puc portar dos switchos
[21:48] <AniolM> En tinc un funcionant, però per un dia el puc desconnectar
[21:48] <wagafo> No crec que en vingui tanta
[21:48] <AniolM> D'acord, són 7 + 3 ports
[21:48] <wagafo> Jo crec que amb això en tindrem prou
[21:48] <AniolM> Per tant portaré 13 cables (connexions intermitges i possible problema)
[21:49] <wagafo> D'acord
[21:49] <AniolM> Espero trobar-ne prous. Si algú més en pot portar sisplau
[21:49] <wagafo> Jo un parell en tinc
[21:49] <AniolM> Ok
[21:49] <aniolgarcia> Jo en tinc alguns també
[21:49] <josepgallart> i jo
[21:49] <wagafo> Doncs ens recordem mútuament per la llista de tot això
[21:49] <AniolM> Ok
[21:49] <AniolM> Jo m'ho he apuntat
[21:49] <aniolgarcia> Perfecte
[21:50] <josepgallart> Radu necesites alguna cosa per la xerrada, tot apunt?
[21:50] <microstudi> microstudi
[21:51] <wagafo> Heu solucionat el tema de l'ubuntu LOCO, qui inscriu la festa allà
[21:51] <Radu_> Jo vindré amb el portàtil, suposo que hi haurá algún projecto?
[21:52] <josepgallart> si
[21:52] <rafael_carreras> Radu_: sí clar
[21:52] <Radu_> d'acord
[21:52] <AniolM> wagafo: L'he afegit jo, solucionat :)
[21:52] <josepgallart> jo portare el Meizu amb ubuntu per si et pot fer servei
[21:52] <AniolM> Jo també portaré el portàtil
[21:52] <josepgallart> encare que sigui nomes per que la gent el pugui provar
[21:52] <Radu_> Grácies Josep
[21:56] <Radu_> M'agradaria demanar l'inscripció a l'equip
[21:57] <rafael_carreras> Radu_: doncs em sembla molt bé
[21:57] <wagafo> Més que benvingut Radu_
[21:57] <rafael_carreras> a la propera reunió et posaré a l'ordre del dia
[21:57] <josepgallart> ole,ole !!!
[21:57] <Radu_> Grácies
[21:57] <wagafo> S'ha de seguir el procediment formal d'aprovar-lo en una reunió
[21:57] <Radu_> D'acord Rafael
[21:58] <wagafo> Nois, he arribat tard i he de marxar aviat 8-(
[21:58] <wagafo> Si hi ha alguna cosa més ho comentem a la llista
[21:59] <rafael_carreras> d'acord
[21:59] <AniolM> Molt bé! Bona nit :)
[21:59] <wagafo> Bona nit a tothom i totdona
[21:59] <aniolgarcia> Bona nit, wagafo!
[21:59] <rafael_carreras> jo també ho hauria de deixar, que em cauen els ulls
[21:59] <AniolM> Sí, ja està tot dit, oi?
[22:00] <josepgallart> bona nit!!
[22:00] <rafael_carreras> sí, ja estem
[22:00] <AniolM> Bona nit!
[22:00] <Radu_> Bona nit a tots
[22:00] <aniolgarcia> Bona nit!!!
[22:00] <rafael_carreras> ###############################################################
[22:00] <rafael_carreras> bona nit
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.072581
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"AniolM",
"Radu_",
"aniolgarcia",
"josepgallart",
"microstudi",
"rafael_carreras",
"wagafo"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-cat.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-cat"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-il
|
[11:28] <Guest4620> hello
[11:28] <Guest4620> Why am I guest?
[11:28] <Guest4620> brb
[11:29] <gzoo> hello
[14:37] <Ddorda> gzoo, hey there
[15:18] <gzoo> Ddorda, hello Dor, it's Amir
[15:19] <Ddorda> yea, i can tell
[16:26] <gzoo> Ddorda, oh right, everyone sees that
[16:26] <gzoo> I forgot
[16:26] <gzoo> I have to go, maybe I'll log in at home
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.075401
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Ddorda",
"Guest4620",
"gzoo"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-il.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-il"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-it
|
[00:46] <AlbertoP81> come si risolve il time out di una connfessione wifi (telecom) grazie?
[00:47] <AlbertoP81> c'è un buon modem router che possa sostituire quello a noleggio?
[02:29] <lilloso> Salve, ho questa scheda video:
[02:30] <lilloso> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e)
[02:31] <lilloso> qual è il driver più indicato da usare?
[02:32] <lilloso> o dove trovo un elenco da spulciare?
[09:00] <pesentima> salve ho un problema con il download della iso di edubuntu 15.10 non me la scarica ma posso scaricare solo la versione precedente cosa posso fare?
[09:00] <pesentima> grazie
[09:01] <akis24> !download
[09:01] <ubot-it> download is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ o http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ o http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download
[09:03] <pesentima> edubuntu non lo trovo.......
[09:04] <Carlin0> !derivate
[09:04] <ubot-it> http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate | Download derivate: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate
[09:05] <akis24> https://www.edubuntu.org/ https://www.edubuntu.org/download .. esiste anche google
[09:07] <pesentima> grazie mille se lo vorrei scaricare tramite torrent devo usare metalink o manifest?
[09:08] <Carlin0> pesentima, hai guardato i link ?
[09:11] <pesentima> si la pagina delle derivate mi fa scaricare solo la 14.04 di edubuntu allora sono andato qui http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[09:11] <pesentima> si ho guardato ma la pagina delle derivate nella sezione edubuntu mi fa scaricare solo la 14.04 invece io ho bisogno della 15.10
[09:11] <pesentima> allora sono andato qui
[09:12] <pesentima> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[09:12] <pesentima> ma dove trovo il link per scaricare tramite torrent grazie
[09:13] <akis24> pesentima: ancora non l'hanno rilasciata la 15.04 edubuntu ma credo sia questione di poco
[09:14] <ExPBoy> e poi proprio il torrent vuoi?
[09:15] <ExPBoy> pesentima, un download da http non ti va bene?
[09:15] <pesentima> ok aspetto e tengo d'occhio la vostra pagina di download grazie mille
[09:15] <pesentima> ciao
[09:16] <akis24> pesentima: prova stasera o domani magari è in upload sul server visto che il link della 15.1o porta alla 14.04 al momento
[10:40] <jonny2013> ciao ragazzi, con ubuntu15.10 il pc esce da solo dalla sospensione
[10:41] <jonny2013> gia provato a fare alcune cose un paio di giorni fa con voi ma non ho ancora risolto
[10:41] <cristian_c> jonny2013: come l'hai impostata?
[10:42] <cristian_c> jonny2013: quale pc? Quali driver stai usando?
[10:45] <jonny2013> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13064451/
[10:46] <jonny2013> spero questo possa essere utile
[10:47] <jester-> jonny2013: se acpi della piastra non è 100% digeribile c'è un cazzo da fare
[10:50] <jonny2013> parla potabile non sono un esperto
[10:51] <sbasso> jonny2013: jester- dice che se la power interface non è 100% compatibile non ci puoi fare nulla
[10:52] <jester-> solo sperare che la rendano compatibile negli aggiornamenti kernel successivi
[10:53] <sbasso> jonny2013: puoi anche aprire un ticket
[10:53] <jester-> cioè segnalare il bug
[10:53] <jester-> !bug
[10:53] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/SegnalareBug | vedi anche !launchpad
[10:53] <jonny2013> cos'è un tiket?
[10:53] <ExPBoy> un biglietto
[10:54] <jester-> se è per l'expo è scaduto
[10:54] <ExPBoy> :)
[10:58] <tnozyrox>
[11:40] <lampadino> sapete dirmi se possibile regolare audio 5.1 con ubuntu, attualmente mi rileva in uscita stereo ma non 5.1 collegato uscita del pc a ingresso rca
[12:17] <cristian_c> lampadino: hai controllato le impostazioni audio?
[12:17] <cristian_c> !pulse
[12:17] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'pulse'
[12:17] <cristian_c> !pulseaudio
[12:17] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Multimedia/Audio/PulseAudio
[12:31] <rorro007> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con bluetooth sulla 14.04 lts ho mi sono collegato ad audio esterno ma non sento niente
[12:33] <rorro007> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13100913/
[12:34] <rorro007> non capisco perche non sento niente
[12:36] <cristian_c> rorro007: hai controllato le impostazioni audio?
[12:36] <cristian_c> rorro007: aplay -l | pastebinit
[12:38] <rorro007> cristian_c,http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13100931/
[12:39] <rorro007> cristian_c, si ho controllato ma non viene fuori come produci audio come
[12:39] <rorro007> cristian_c, eppure sono collegato
[12:42] <lampadino> cristian_c: ho controllato ..mi rileva due casse e basta
[12:45] <rorro007> cristian_c, a strano sono collegato a Soundbar tramite bluetooth
[12:47] <cristian_c> rorro007: come hai configurato il tutto?
[12:48] <rorro007> cristian_c, ho letto questa guida http://linuxcommando.blogspot.ch/2013/11/how-to-connect-to-bluetooth.html
[12:49] <cristian_c> lampadino: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Audio/AbilitareSurround
[12:49] <cristian_c> rorro007: perché non hai seguito la documentazione ufficiale di ubuntu?
[12:50] <rorro007> cristian_c, non sono riuscito a trovarla
[12:51] <cristian_c> !audio | rorro007
[12:51] <ubot-it> rorro007: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Audio e http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Multimedia/Audio
[12:51] <cristian_c> rorro007: su su, non è difficile aprire il wiki
[12:52] <cristian_c> rorro007: e la documentazione è facilmente accessibile dal sito di ubuntu quando scarichi la distro
[12:52] <cristian_c> è l'hub per tutto
[12:53] <rorro007> cristian_c, grazie vado subito a vedere
[12:55] <cristian_c> rorro007: guarda che ci sono utility grafiche come blueman e gnome-bluetooth
[12:55] <cristian_c> !info blueman
[12:55] <ubot-it> blueman (source: blueman): Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-1ubuntu1 (wily), package size 1635 kB, installed size 4829 kB
[12:55] <cristian_c> !info gnome-bluetooth
[12:55] <ubot-it> gnome-bluetooth (source: gnome-bluetooth): GNOME Bluetooth tools. In component main, is optional. Version 3.16.1-1ubuntu2 (wily), package size 104 kB, installed size 996 kB (Only available for linux-any)
[13:09] <Sonia> Ciao a tutti. Sono digiuna di Ubuntu ma mi è stato chiesto aiuto per risolvere un problema. Non riesco a fare gli aggiornamenti per spazio insufficiente sul disco,vorrei sapere dove poter verificare tale spazio e le dimensioni degli oggetti che lo occupano
[13:10] <cristian_c> Sonia: sicura che colui che ti ha chiesto aiuto sapesse tu fossi digiuna di ubuntu (e immagino di linux in generale)?
[13:10] <Sonia> si,ahime
[13:10] <ExPBoy> uhm
[13:10] <cristian_c> forse ha chiesto alla persona sbagliata
[13:11] <Sonia> molto probabilmente,ma unica spiaggia di una zia disperata
[13:11] <cristian_c> Sonia: essenzialmente ci sono alcuni comandi per verificare lo spazio utilizzato
[13:11] <Sonia> bene,se qualcuno vuole aiutarmi,sono pronta
[13:11] <Sonia> io per ora ho eseguito df -a
[13:11] <cristian_c> Sonia: man du
[13:11] <Sonia> fatto
[13:12] <cristian_c> du sta per 'disk usage'
[13:12] <Sonia> fantastico,è una sorta di legenda dei comandi
[13:12] <cristian_c> Sonia: e il comando precedente ti ha aperto il manuale dell'utilitt
[13:12] <cristian_c> y
[13:13] <cristian_c> Sonia: man comando
[13:13] <cristian_c> con il quale puoi leggere la documentazione della maggior parte dei comandi
[13:13] <Sonia> ok,ci sono
[13:14] <cristian_c> Sonia: se ti servono traduzioni in italiano aggiuntive: sudp apt-get install manpages-it
[13:14] <Sonia> quindi io devo sapere il nome dei dischi prima di tutto
[13:14] <cristian_c> Sonia: sudo fdisk -a
[13:15] <Sonia> sto leggendo
[13:16] <cristian_c> Sonia: il comando precedente ti elenca le partizioni dei dischi
[13:16] <Sonia> è normale che la prima stringa di risposta sia " fdisk: opzione non valida -- "a"
[13:17] <Sonia> io ne ho dedotto che devo fare sudo fdisk -l
[13:19] <Sonia> corretto?
[13:19] <cristian_c> Sonia: sì, -l
[13:20] <cristian_c> !paste | Sonia
[13:20] <ubot-it> Sonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[13:20] <Sonia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101146/
[13:21] <Sonia> ti prego traduci
[13:21] <Sonia> ;)
[13:22] <cristian_c> Sonia: guarda Blocks
[13:22] <cristian_c> Sonia: e dividi per 1000000
[13:22] <cristian_c> e avrai la dimensione della partizione in GB
[13:22] <cristian_c> per ognuna di quelle elencate
[13:23] <cristian_c> Sonia: così la riconoscerai facilmente
[13:23] <Sonia> mica tanto,ci sto riflettendo
[13:24] <cristian_c> Sonia: semplicemente, se una delle partizioni è satura di dati
[13:26] <cristian_c> Sonia: con df dovresti vedere qual'è
[13:28] <Sonia> con df visualizzo una schermata che mi fa intendere che le partizioni sono due: sda1 e sda6 , corretto? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101173/
[13:28] <gigirock> ma Sonia 6 su ubuntu live ?
[13:28] <Sonia> non credo di sapere cosa intendi
[13:28] <gigirock> Sonia, da che sistema stai scrivendo ?
[13:29] <Sonia> kubuntu
[13:29] <gigirock> ah , e quale e' il tuo problema ?
[13:30] <Sonia> pare che non abbia spazio sufficiente sul disco per fare gli aggiornamenti, pc non mio , volevo sapere come liberare spazio e quindi sapere cosa lo occupa
[13:31] <gigirock> Sonia, il 'disco' che e' montato come '/' (root) e' pieno, mentre tutto quello che c'e' sotto /home ha spazio libero....mi preparo per la prossima tua domanda
[13:33] <Sonia> quindi quale sarebbe la strada per la soluzione
[13:33] <gigirock> Sonia, scrivi df -h cosi' abbiamo una idea 'umana' dei numeri
[13:33] <Sonia> arrivo
[13:34] <Sonia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101205/
[13:34] <Sonia> e grazie per la disponibilità
[13:35] <gigirock> Sonia, primo tentativo , sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:37] <Sonia> sta andando
[13:38] <Sonia> mi sta dando mille errori
[13:38] <Sonia> e ancora non ha finito...
[13:38] <Sonia> mi dice che devo riavviare per comlpletare il processo di aggiornamento
[13:39] <gigirock> si Sonia dopo riavvii adesso : dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[13:39] <Sonia> in soldoni mi da mille errori "spazio esaurito sul device"
[13:40] <gigirock> Sonia, eh immagino ... controlla se hai kernel vecchi
[13:40] <gigirock> Sonia, e anche il cestino....
[13:40] <Sonia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101240/ questa è la parte finale
[13:41] <Sonia> vado con dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[13:41] <gigirock> dai
[13:41] <Sonia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101271/
[13:42] <gigirock> uaaaaz Sonia fai collezione di kernel ?
[13:42] <Sonia> eheh... mi dichiaro non colpevole ;) pc non mio
[13:43] <gigirock> Sonia, sai cosa e' il kernel e come si rimuovono i vecchi ?
[13:43] <Sonia> direi di no
[13:43] <gigirock> lol
[13:43] <Sonia> ehhh mi dispiace per te,accetto la ritirata se la dovessi ritenere opportuna
[13:44] <gigirock> riavvia e cerca una guida Sonia , cmq devi rimuovere tutti quei pacchetti e lasciare ultimi 2 3 kernel
[13:45] <Sonia> ok quindi la strategia è riavviare e cercare una guida sulla rimozione dei vecchi kernel
[13:45] <gigirock> Sonia, sudo apt-get autoremove dovrebbe rimuoverli ma non avra' spazio per fare qualche cosa di temporaneo
[13:45] <Sonia> immaginavo
[13:45] <gigirock> Sonia, yes
[13:45] <gigirock> !rimozione-kernel
[13:45] <ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:45] <Sonia> ok gigirock sei davvero stato utile, ti ringrazio tanto,anche a cristian_c
[13:47] <gigirock> https://mauriziosiagri.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/ubuntu-11-10-rimuovere-kernel-obsoleti-via-terminale/ Sonia questa guida e' un po' vecchia ma la strategia e' quella
[13:47] <Sonia> grandissimo
[13:47] <Sonia> grazie ancora...
[13:48] <gigirock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels guida ufficiale cosi' non mi cazziano
[13:50] <Sonia> precisissimo
[14:24] <gigirock> !chroot
[14:24] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Chroot
[14:24] <gigirock> !chroot | Sonia
[14:24] <ubot-it> Sonia: please see above
[14:26] <gigirock> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=340498msg2614264 Sonia meglio ancora
[14:26] <gigirock> Sonia solo alla morte non c'e' riparo
[14:28] <Sonia> quindi devo fare un cd live di ubuntu
[14:29] <altair> Buonsalve, qualcuno può aiutarmi? Ho installato Wily al posto di Windows, ma all'avvio mi da supporto lingue non completo, nonostante sembra sia tutto in italiano. Inoltre se cerco i pacchetti mancanti non ne scarica di nuovi. Avevo lo stesso problema con la 15.04
[14:30] <altair> Problema che non ero riuscita a risolvere tra l'altro
[14:32] <gigirock> Sonia, si ma guarda anche http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=340498msg2614264
[14:33] <Sonia> selezionando un altro kernel in recovery accedo ad un menu ripristino,puo essere utile
[14:33] <Sonia> ?
[14:33] <Carlin0> altair, ma il computer è collegato in rete ?
[14:33] <altair> Si
[14:33] <altair> è il computer che sto usando :)
[14:34] <Carlin0> altair, sudo apt-get update
[14:34] <Carlin0> altair, metti il risultato nel pastebin
[14:34] <Carlin0> !paste | altair
[14:34] <ubot-it> altair: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[14:36] <altair> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101670/
[14:37] <Carlin0> altair, e se cerchi di scaricare pacchetti che errore ti da ?
[14:38] <altair> Sulla lingua semplicemente non ne trova, gli altri li scarica tranquillamente
[14:38] <altair> Ora riprovo
[14:38] <gigirock> Sonia, basta con privato, si se segui la guida puoi ripristinare da li
[14:39] <Sonia> ok
[14:39] <Sonia> grazie
[14:40] <altair> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101701/
[14:40] <Carlin0> altair, non ci sono errori ...
[14:41] <altair> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101715/ perché giapponese e cinese? O.o
[14:41] <altair> Si appunto non capisco :(
[14:43] <altair> Provo a reinstallare la localizzazione e vediamo, ci sono pacchetti che non avevo nemmeno selezionato durante l'installazione
[14:44] <Carlin0> altair, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[14:44] <Carlin0> altair, se hai quella roba l'avrai messa tu
[14:45] <altair> Mah, ora ci provo
[14:46] <altair> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101740/
[14:46] <altair> Credo che ora dovrebbe andare
[15:04] <Uzzi> scusate sto uscendo pazzo! con sudo iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 27007 -j ACCEPT dovrei aver aperto la porta 27007. tuttavia se faccio da un pc remoto nmap -T4 -A -v (ip del pc dove ho aperto la 27007) non mi visualizza la 27007 tra le porte aperte. Dove sbaglio?
[15:05] <akis24> !chat | Uzzi
[15:05] <ubot-it> Uzzi: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[15:41] <margit> vorrei cancellare vecchi kernel per fare spazio,vorrei sapere da qualcuno perchè con il comando dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image mi scrive deinstall su un kernel diverso da quello che ottengo dal comando uname -r
[15:59] <jester-> margit: sudo apt-get autoclean
[15:59] <margit> grazie ora provo
[15:59] <jester-> margit: sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:00] <margit> nulla di fatto con il primo comando
[16:00] <margit> anche il secondo
[16:01] <jester-> il secondo leva anche i kernel vecchi
[16:02] <margit> tutte le voci mi dicono zero aggiornati,zero da rimuovere eccetera
[16:03] <jester-> margit: s ubuntu è e ha kernel veci li toglie se non li trova non ci sono
[16:03] <margit> ciò che non mi è chiaro è cosa significa il deinstall/install vicino al nome del kernel al comando dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image
[16:04] <jester-> margit: leggi sopra
[16:05] <margit> facendo uname -r il kernel in uso è diverso dal kernel che risulta installato
[16:05] <jester-> margit: posto sbagliato per trollare
[16:05] <jester-> uname -r fa vedere il kernel i uso
[16:05] <jester-> gli altriè come se non ci fossero
[16:06] <margit> non so cosa vuol dire trollare ma sto solo chiedendo aiuto per un chiarimento da principiante, sicuramente non mi spiego bene
[16:08] <margit> jester- http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102387/
[16:40] <gasp111> salve, qualcuno che mi può aiutare con l'istallazione di Lubuntu minimal?
[16:41] <Carlin0> !installazione | gasp111
[16:41] <ubot-it> gasp111: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[16:43] <gasp111> grazie, ma nel caso specifico ho il problema dello schermo nero col trattino dopo che clicco su installation.
[16:45] <jester-> gasp111: segui bene la guida
[16:46] <jester-> gasp111: e nelle oèzioni inserisci nomodeset
[16:46] <jester-> opzioni
[16:50] <gasp111> ma quale opzioni?
[16:51] <krabador> gasp111, fai partire il supporto di installazione, nel menu con le varie voci "prova senza installare" "installa" eccetera, premi f6 e seleziona nomodeset
[16:53] <gasp111> ho soltanto tre scelte: expert install, command-line expert install e rescue mode
[16:54] <jester-> gasp111: tasto F6
[16:55] <Carlin0> gasp111, alla prima schermata dove scegli anche la lingua , in basso hai varie opzioni
[16:56] <krabador> gasp111, hai fatto cd di ubuntu minimal ?
[16:56] <gasp111> non c'è nulla di tutto questo. è la versione minimal, perché Lubuntu full non veniva retta dalla mia ram
[16:57] <krabador> gasp111, seleziona command line expert install
[16:57] <krabador> gasp111, e segui https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Command_Line_Install:_12.04_and_later
[16:57] <gasp111> accade la stessa cosa: schermo nero e trattino lampeggiante.
[16:57] <Carlin0> gasp111, potevi provare l'alternate
[16:57] <Carlin0> gasp111, quanta ram hai ?
[16:57] <krabador> gasp111, abbi pazienza, esatto
[16:58] <gasp111> 256
[16:58] <krabador> che cpu , quanta ram,e che scheda video hai?
[16:58] <gasp111> è tutto il giorno che ce provo. la sto perdendo la pazienza infatti
[16:59] <krabador> gasp111, provace con roba che abbia meno di 20 anni
[16:59] <krabador> e scoprirai tanti motivi di soddisfazione
[17:00] <Carlin0> gasp111, non hai i requisiti minimi , e tieni conto che (IMHO) la pagina andrebbe aggiornata
[17:00] <Carlin0> !requisiti | gasp111
[17:00] <ubot-it> gasp111: requisiti is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RequisitiDiSistema
[17:01] <krabador> le da 3.2 in poi,del kernel ,hanno mano mano tenuto sempre meno in considerazione hardware giurassico
[17:03] <gasp111> in un modo o nell'altro gli ho fatto girare xubuntu fino a tempo fa
[17:03] <Carlin0> gasp111, le nuove release richiedono + risorse
[17:04] <krabador> tra una versione e l'altra, il salto di kernel non è irrisorio
[17:04] <gasp111> ripeto, il cd di installazione riguarda lubuntu minimal che ha come requisiti sistemi con 128 mb di ram e simili.
[17:04] <krabador> gasp111, allora togliti 128 mb, puo' darsi sarai piu' fortunato
[17:05] <Carlin0> gasp111, lubuntu ha come requisito minimo 512 mb , perchè alla fine è quello il risultato
[17:05] <gasp111> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method
[17:07] <Carlin0> buona fortuna gasp111
[17:07] <gasp111> ero qui per capire come fare.
[17:07] <Carlin0> a me sembra che NON vuoi capire invece , cmq libero di provarci
[17:08] <krabador> gasp111, fa una foto del menu che ti appare al caricamento del boot, per favore
[17:08] <krabador> !image | gasp111
[17:08] <ubot-it> gasp111: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[17:11] <gasp111> mi viene complicato fare una foto. vi posso descrivere la schermata, tanto è semplicissima: install, command-line install, advanced options, help
[17:12] <krabador> gasp111, foto
[17:12] <krabador> non è questione di elencare
[17:14] <krabador> gasp111, advanced options, a cosa fa accedere?
[17:16] <gasp111> expert install, command-line expert install e rescue mode
[17:18] <krabador> premi "e" in corrispondenza di una di quelle
[17:18] <krabador> se non fa nulla, prova i tasti f
[17:20] <gasp111> nada pure con f
[17:21] <krabador> con immagine , si faceva prima. rescue mode.
[17:21] <krabador> se non hai provato.
[17:23] <gasp111> e mi dispiace. anche in questo caso scehrmo nero e trattino
[17:39] <andrea71> buona sera
[17:39] <andrea71> vorrei porvi una domanda
[17:40] <andrea71> sto scaricando ubuntu studio ma leggo che ha una licenza di due anni, vuoldire che tra due anni dovro reistallare il tutto?
[17:45] <andrea71> ho forse sbagliaco canale?
[17:58] <gasp111> adieu ubuntu. delusione.
[18:37] <Marck> ciao a tutti, volevo cambiare l'HD del mio pc per metterne uno più grande, solo che non volevo formattare tutto e ricaricare, è possibile clonare l'HD che ho adesso in modo da non perdere alcun dato o impostazione?
[18:38] <cristian_c> Marck: clonare è possibile
[18:38] <cristian_c> ci sono dei metodi
[18:38] <gigirock> Marck: cosa c'è su.quel hardisk?
[18:39] <Marck> gigirock: programmi, file vari ecc, come OS c'è solo ubuntu
[18:39] <gigirock> Ma é un pc desktop?
[18:40] <Marck> no un portatile
[18:40] <Marck> ma ho gli adattatori per collegare entrambi gli HD come esterni
[18:40] <gigirock> Ok allora cerca clonezilla
[18:41] <gigirock> E cloni tutto
[18:41] <gigirock> Ti adatta anche le dimensioni automaticamente
[18:41] <Marck> gigirock: ook, ma una volta fatto per il PC è come se non avessi cambiato assolutamente nulla, giusto?
[18:42] <gigirock> Yes
[18:42] <Marck> in che senso mi adatta le dimensioni?
[18:42] <gigirock> Nel senso che mantiene le proporzioni delle varie partizioni
[18:42] <Marck> ma non mi crea una partizione più grande?
[18:43] <gigirock> Certo
[18:53] <Marck> ook perfetto allora
[20:17] <asterisknow> ciao chi puoi aiutarmi a collegarmi su server ubuntu da android con ssh?
[20:20] <asterisknow> ci sta qualcuno?
[20:22] <asterisknow> mahhhhh
[20:26] <Carlin0> asterisknow, devi collegarti da android ?
[20:26] <asterisknow> Carlin0: si, android 5.1
[20:26] <asterisknow> ho scaricato connectnot, va bene?
[20:26] <Carlin0> quindi la cosa riguarda android non ubuntu ...
[20:27] <asterisknow> Carlin0:da android a ubuntu server in macchina virtuale
[20:27] <Carlin0> si ma il problema sta su android ... non centra nulla ubuntu
[20:27] <asterisknow> ok.....puoi aiutarmi?
[20:28] <Carlin0> non uso android ma cmq non è questo il posto
[20:29] <asterisknow> scusami io voglio sapere il comando ssh da lanciare su android verso il server
[20:29] <Carlin0> /join #android
[20:30] <asterisknow> Carlin0: questo è sbagliato: ssh -l <nome_utente>@<ip_del_server>?
[20:30] <Carlin0> asterisknow, qui non si fa supporto a android (cerca di capirlo)
[20:31] <cristian_c> lol
[20:31] <asterisknow> Carlin0: o ma certe volete v capisco, ma chi ti sta chiedendo android, se sto parlando di ssh
[20:32] <cristian_c> asterisknow: 'certe volte'?
[20:32] <asterisknow> ssh nn mi sembra che sia android, porca miseria
[20:32] <cristian_c> asterisknow: non sei nuovo di queste parti?
[20:32] <Carlin0> [21:29:08] <asterisknow> scusami io voglio sapere il comando ssh da lanciare su android verso il server
[20:32] <asterisknow> si
[20:34] <asterisknow> rifaccio la domanda: il comando ssh -l <nome_utente>@<ip_del_server>, per connettersi in remoto su server in virtualbox è corretto?
[20:34] <cristian_c> asterisknow: ahhhh,
[20:34] <cristian_c> ora ricordo
[20:34] <asterisknow> che cosa ricordi?
[20:35] <Carlin0> !ssh | asterisknow
[20:35] <ubot-it> asterisknow: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/ConfigurazioneRete/OpenSsh
[20:36] <asterisknow> ubot-it:grazie finalmente qualcuno che risponde con competenza tecnica,,,grazie mille
[20:36] <ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[20:38] <asterisknow> ubot-it: siccome ho il server in virtualbox, quele ip devo metetre quello virtuale o quello normale?
[20:38] <ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:34] <danielsaaan> buona sera a tutti, posso chiedere qui un suggerimento? grazie
[21:34] <Carlin0> !chiedi | danielsaaan
[21:34] <ubot-it> danielsaaan: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)
[21:38] <danielsaaan> ok thx. vorrei chiedere per piacere: qual'è il programma per scaricare torrent più facile da installare su linux "mint" e come si installa? devo spiegarlo ad una persona che non è capace di usare linux. grazie
[21:39] <Carlin0> danielsaaan, non diamo supporto a mint
[21:39] <Carlin0> !mint | danielsaaan
[21:39] <ubot-it> danielsaaan: Per supporto a linuxmint: http://www.linuxmind-italia.org/index.php
[21:39] <danielsaaan> grazie mille ragazzi provo a quel link buona serata a tutti!
[21:41] <Patricio_443> Domanda: ho installato Easypeasy su un EEE PC. molto felice fintantoché mi dice che Firefox non è aggiornato e cerco di aggiornarlo. Poi provo ad aggiornare il sistema (10.04) fino almeno al 12.04 e poi superiore... peccato che il gestore aggiornamento non funziona proprio (dice che non esiste supporto) e si blocca. come devo fare per installare un
[21:41] <Patricio_443> a qualsiasi versione di UBUNTU che mi permetta di continuare con Linux?
[21:42] <cristian_c> Patricio_443: scarica lubuntu
[21:42] <Carlin0> !installazione | Patricio_443
[21:42] <ubot-it> Patricio_443: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[21:42] <cristian_c> !lubuntu | Patricio_443
[21:42] <ubot-it> Patricio_443: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | md5: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.04/release/MD5SUMS
[21:42] <Patricio_443> lubuntu, OK provo. ma COME DIAVOLACCIO SI INSTALLA?
[21:43] <Patricio_443> nel mondo windows w mac mi muovo da sempre ma questo non lo conosco
[21:43] <Carlin0> leggi i link Patricio_443
[21:43] <cristian_c> Patricio_443: a parte i link forniti da carlin0
[21:43] <Patricio_443> ok
[21:43] <Patricio_443> grazie ragazzi
[21:44] <krabador> de nada, non ti agitare ;)
[21:44] <cristian_c> Patricio_443: prova lubuntu in modalità live, se tutto va come deve, lo installi sull'hard disk
[21:44] <Patricio_443> okkidokki
[21:44] <Patricio_443> merci
[21:45] <Carlin0> se hai problemi torna ...
[21:48] <krabador> peppinovesuviano, ci sei
[21:48] <krabador> peppinovesuviano, se hai aperto il gestore files, sei andato nella cartella dove dentro c'è il file, premi ctrl l
[21:48] <krabador> fai copia
[21:48] <krabador> apri il terminale, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:49] <krabador> cd incolli ---> non scrivere "incolli" ma incolli cio' che hai copiato dal gestore files
[21:49] <krabador> sudo dpkg -i nomefile.deb | pastebinit --- > dove "nomefile.deb" deve corrispondere al corretto nome del file
[21:49] <krabador> che vedi , in quella cartella nel terminale, digitando ls , e invio
[21:50] <krabador> al che puoi anche copiare ed incollare il nome del file
[21:50] <kaos17> salve a tutti
[21:50] <kaos17> vorrei chiedere una cosa
[21:50] <krabador> !ciao | kaos17
[21:50] <ubot-it> kaos17: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[21:50] <kaos17> ho installato peppermint six da un pò
[21:51] <kaos17> ma vorrei ritornare al windows
[21:51] <kaos17> ma se metto il cd di installazione non mi esce la scremata avvia da cd
[21:51] <kaos17> come faccio?
[21:51] <kaos17> ho letto che linux e in ext4 e win in ntsf mi aiutate?
[21:52] <Carlin0> !windows | kaos17
[21:52] <ubot-it> kaos17: per ricevere supporto per windows, rivolgersi al canale ##windows
[21:53] <kaos17> come faccio?
[21:54] <Carlin0> !windows | kaos17
[21:54] <ubot-it> kaos17: per ricevere supporto per windows, rivolgersi al canale ##windows
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.091213
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"AlbertoP81",
"Carlin0",
"ExPBoy",
"Marck",
"Patricio_443",
"Sonia",
"Uzzi",
"akis24",
"altair",
"andrea71",
"asterisknow",
"cristian_c",
"danielsaaan",
"gasp111",
"gigirock",
"jester-",
"jonny2013",
"kaos17",
"krabador",
"lampadino",
"lilloso",
"margit",
"pesentima",
"rorro007",
"sbasso",
"tnozyrox",
"ubot-it"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-it.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-it"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-es
|
[01:02] <IR2224> Después de leer las reglas, me gustaría preguntar si alguien sabe sobre el ddd. Es que tengo que haces unas practicas para la uni y me piden que depure con el.
[15:48] <x23> hola, intenté instalar el cliente para google drive en ubuntu 14.04
[15:49] <x23> pero tengo problemas con grive-tools
[16:08] <x23> gracias
[17:08] <habitat> ¿funciona esto?
[17:19] <habitat> ¿alguien puede decirme donde ver que controladores me hacen falta por ver?
[20:41] * m3n3chm0 nasZ
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.096769
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"IR2224",
"habitat",
"m3n3chm0",
"x23"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-es.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-es"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-wi
|
[00:51] <tsimonq2> h00k: ok, ready?
[01:00] <mikeputnam> holla
[01:04] <mikeputnam> h00k: where u?
[01:05] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Ubuntu US Wisconsin LoCo Team Meeting for November 3, 2015
[01:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 4 01:05:27 2015 UTC. The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[01:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[01:05] <tsimonq2> #topic Ubuntu US Wisconsin LoCo Team Meeting for November 3, 2015
[01:07] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/WisconsinTeam/20151103
[01:09] <tsimonq2> #meetingtopic Ubuntu US Wisconsin LoCo Team Meeting for November 3, 2015
[01:10] <tsimonq2> #meetingtopic Ubuntu US Wisconsin LoCo Team Meeting for November 3, 2015
[01:12] <h00k> #startmeeting
[01:12] <meetingology> h00k: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[01:12] <h00k> eyoh
[01:14] <h00k> #Topic What does Ubuntu mean to you?
[01:15] <h00k> #meetingtopic What does Ubuntu mean to you?
[01:15] <h00k> Ahaha, it's been so long.
[01:16] <h00k> #chair h00k
[01:21] <h00k> #topic What's new in 15.10?
[01:28] <mikeputnam> systemd: a thing.
[01:28] <h00k> And does it matter?
[01:28] <h00k> Yes/No.
[01:28] <h00k> Maybe!
[01:37] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:39] <h00k> ZFS, a cool thing is that
[01:42] <h00k> next! Team renewal
[01:43] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[01:43] <h00k> Street Cred ^
[01:44] <tsimonq2> h00k: where did you go?
[01:47] <h00k> I can't computer
[01:48] <mikeputnam> Proposed: We meet every first Tuesday 7pm?
[01:48] <h00k> I can't get the damn meeting bot to listen, but yeah. I'm good with that?
[02:02] <mikeputnam> Dang! We're burning through tasks like bosses.
[02:04] <mikeputnam> weechat or irssi <3
[02:09] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[02:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 02:09:06 2015 UTC.
[02:09] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-wi/2015/ubuntu-us-wi.2015-11-04-01.05.moin.txt
[02:15] <mikeputnam> Is it just me or is launchpad kind of confusing?
[02:18] <mikeputnam> Also thing overload: launchpad is a thing; wiki is a thing; forums are a thing; irc is a thing; mailing list is a thing;
[02:18] <mikeputnam> Not complaining mind you, just a lot of things.
[02:21] <tsimonq2> I will look at it :)
[02:33] <tsimonq2> hey adueppen
[02:33] <adueppen> hi tsimonq2
[02:42] <mikeputnam> updated LoCo url out on http://wisconsinlinux.org/
[02:43] <tsimonq2> ok thanks
[02:43] <tsimonq2> wait WHAT
[02:43] <tsimonq2> this is the LUG yrl!
[02:43] <tsimonq2> *url
[02:43] <tsimonq2> oh hahaha sorry
[02:44] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: and can you add it to the calendar?
[02:45] <mikeputnam> sure
[02:45] <tsimonq2> k thanks
[02:50] <mikeputnam> added
[02:51] <tsimonq2> a'ight thanks
[02:54] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: for the website, could you transfer Github access to me, or should I just make pull requests over and over?
[02:55] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: same nick on Github BTW
[02:56] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: and by transfer access I mean get me commit access?
[02:56] <mikeputnam> wisconsinlinux.org isn't a loco thing. just a static directory i maintain once in a while so google has something to show people searching for "wisconsin linux"
[02:56] <mikeputnam> sure
[02:56] <tsimonq2> oh :)
[02:57] <tsimonq2> I just want to see if I can look at it and clean up what I can
[02:57] <tsimonq2> make it prettier maybe
[02:57] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:58] <mikeputnam> invitinated
[02:59] <tsimonq2> ok, good to go
[02:59] <tsimonq2> ima clone it and play around a little
[02:59] <tsimonq2> gh-pages has what is actually on the website, right?
[02:59] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: ^
[02:59] <mikeputnam> master and gh-pages are in sync at the moment.
[03:00] <mikeputnam> mostly because I can never remember which branch builds the pages ;)
[03:00] <tsimonq2> but isn't wisconsinlinux.com = wisconsinlinux.github.io?
[03:01] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: ^
[03:02] <mikeputnam> yes http://wisconsinlinux.org/ = https://github.com/wisconsinlinux/wisconsinlinux.github.io
[03:03] <tsimonq2> oh sweet jesus this HTML is ugly
[03:03] <tsimonq2> sorry
[03:03] <tsimonq2> but holy crap I have work to do
[03:04] <tsimonq2> and why do we still support IE?
[03:06] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: ^
[03:07] <mikeputnam> the web page was conceived in 2006.
[03:08] <mikeputnam> and unless i'm mistaken, behemoth browsers like chrome etc are capable of rendering html.
[03:08] <mikeputnam> ;)
[03:08] <tsimonq2> can I PLEASE remove the ugly IE support tags
[03:09] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: pretty please?
[03:10] <mikeputnam> for example: OpenBSD's web site remains a thing of beauty http://www.openbsd.org/
[03:10] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: PLEASE?????
[03:10] <mikeputnam> tsimonq2: I've given you commit on the repo. You can do as you like.
[03:10] <tsimonq2> YES!
[03:10] <tsimonq2> thanks XD
[03:11] <mikeputnam> just keep it useful as a directory of all things Wisconsin + Linux.
[03:23] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[04:17] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: made some fancy changes, although I will do some more cleanup in the future
[13:45] <mikeputnam> tsimonq2: thank you
[13:53] <mikeputnam> it seems however that you've reverted many of the content changes. maybe a bad merge conflict resolution? i'll fix.
[14:27] <mikeputnam> fixed
[14:27] <mikeputnam> I also helped out and converted all those nasty tabs to space for you. ;)
[14:27] <mikeputnam> *spaces
[17:13] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: thanks :)
[17:13] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: I will reverse my local commits as they are crap
[17:14] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: but I still want to work a little on it
[17:14] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: are you opposed to multiple pages?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.113457
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"adueppen",
"h00k",
"meetingology",
"mikeputnam",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-wi.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-wi"
}
|
2015-11-04-#juju
|
[05:10] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, I have created a new bug for my charm and after linking bug id to the trunk branch in the lauchpad. As discussed over the IRC chat i have subscribed bug to charmer and it has been more than 12 hrs even though my charm is not reflecting in the review queue. Please advise on the same.
[06:00] <stub> tvansteenburgh: I think the review queue is stuck
[06:36] <firl> any openstack charmers on:"
[06:36] <firl> ?
[06:44] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, I have created a new bug for my charm and linked that bug id to the trunk branch in the lauchpad. As discussed over the IRC chat i have subscribed bug to charmer and it has been more than 12 hrs still my charm is not reflecting in the review queue. Please advise on the same.
[06:45] <marcoceppi> firl: o/
[06:46] <marcoceppi> Prabakaran firl stub the review queue does appear stuck. Unsticking
[06:47] <marcoceppi> Prabakaran: rebooted the review queue, it's processing the backlog now
[06:47] <firl> hey marcoceppi
[06:48] <firl> I have found a weird state in which it seems the openvswitch-agent doesn’t pick up the rabbitmq connection
[06:48] <firl> I am upgrading to the latest version of openvswitch-agent to test it
[06:57] <marcoceppi> firl: that's weird, an openstack chamer would be best. I just now realized thats what you asked for
[06:58] <firl> :)
[06:58] <marcoceppi> firl: they should be on in a few hours
[06:58] <firl> cool
[07:47] <Prabakaran> Hey Marco, I am able to see old charms now but my new charm is not reflecting in the review queue. Could you please check on this?
[10:12] <bloodearnest> In the juju state server, what is the 'local' mongodb database for, and why is in >1Gb (and growing), when all other db's are 10s of Mbs? This is with manual provider.
[10:26] <bloodearnest> seems it the oplog for replication. Which is odd, as I only have one state server. Can I disable replication? Or reduce oplog size (set via the cli to 512)
[10:52] <bloodearnest> looks like agent config files support setting oplog size explicitly (local provider sets it to 1Mb). Is there anyway to set this in the environment config?
[10:53] <bloodearnest> (this is a development setup)
[12:40] <blahdeblah> Hi all - quick Q: is it possible to configure juju in such a way as to use LXC containers on a remote machine? (Sort of like a combination between the local provider and the manual provider?)
[12:41] <blahdeblah> Basically I want to have a big box (whether VM or bare metal - it doesn't really matter) that hosts all my containers for juju deployments, but I want to control it from juju on my laptop. Is that possible?
[12:47] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: so you've got hte gist of it currently. You'd have to setup the lxc containers and add them with manual as 'machines'
[12:48] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: the team is working on adding lxd support which will be single host, but with lxd it's possible to come back in the future and allow those lxd containers to be on another machine since lxd can handle that for us
[12:48] <blahdeblah> rick_h__: I don't want manual; I want it to be able to spin up containers automatically like it does with the local provider. So that will need to wait for a full-fledged lxd provider?
[12:48] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: but the work for this cycle is just the single host scenario unfortunatley
[12:48] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: yea, really lxd provider 2.0, 1.0 is in progress now
[12:49] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: it is a use case that's come up, you're ahead of us on it
[12:49] <blahdeblah> rick_h__: so the only currently-available driver that will allow automatic container creation is the local provider?
[12:49] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: yes
[12:49] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: the lxd one will be in 1.26 scheduled for release in jan
[12:50] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: should be in beta ppa in dec
[12:50] <blahdeblah> I guess I can work around that by just doing the juju on that other box
[12:51] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: hmm, commision that machine in maas and have juju on one machine ask maas for the lxc containers?
[12:52] <rick_h__> blahdeblah: just to add more stuff to the mix
[12:52] <blahdeblah> rick_h__: I thought about that, but I don't really want the overhead; I might just run it with the local provider and work remotely
[13:01] <jam> blahdeblah: so with manual you should be able to "juju add-machine 10.10.10.10" and that gets added as say machine-1
[13:01] <jam> then you can
[13:01] <jam> juju deploy --to lxc:1
[13:01] <jam> and it will create an LXC instance on machine-1
[13:02] <jam> that actually lets you get to a point where you have more than one of these big machines, but you still have to tell us where you want the container to exist
[13:38] <jcastro> anyone have the variable handy to force juju to show the new status by default?
[13:44] <rick_h__> jcastro: not sure but filed https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/728 to get it added to the docs
[13:45] <rick_h__> natefinch: wwitzel3 do you recall? ^
[13:45] <jcastro> marco has it memorized but he's in japan still
[13:45] <rick_h__> yea, I've seen it but not set it so not in my shell history
[13:49] <Prabakaran> Hey Marco, I am able to see old charms now but my new charm is not reflecting in the review queue. Could you please check on this?
[13:50] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, Could someone help me on this?
[14:30] <bloodearnest> blahdeblah, I think you just need to do juju bootstrap remotely. After then, assume all the ports are accessible, then the juju client should be able to control that local env remotely
[14:39] <wwitzel3> jcastro: JUJU_CLI_VERSION=2
[15:07] <jcastro> ta
[15:18] <arosales> kjackal: welcome to the juju channel
[15:19] <arosales> kwmonroe: cory_fu: admcleod- ^ kjackal will be woking on big data with you
[15:20] <kwmonroe> woohoo - welcome kjackal!
[15:28] <Prabakaran> Hey Marco, I am able to see old charms now but my new charm is not reflecting in the review queue. Could you please check on this?.
[15:32] <admcleod-> kjackal: welcome
[15:55] <cory_fu> kjackal: Sorry, was in a UOS session. Welcome!
[16:20] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, Newly submitted charm is not reflecting in the charm review queue. Please advise on this.
[16:32] <Icey> I just tore down an amazon environment and have re-bootstrapped and deployed charms, they have been 'allocating' now for over 10 minutes
[16:33] <Icey> juju's debug logs just show error fetching public address: public no address]
[16:33] <Icey> over and over
[16:33] <cory_fu> Prabakaran: Can you provide a link to your charm?
[16:34] <cory_fu> And the bug report
[16:36] <Prabakaran> My charm link is https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-platform-rtm/trunk
[16:37] <Prabakaran> Bug link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibmcharms/+bug/1510216
[16:37] <mup> Bug #1510216: New Charm: IBM Platform RTM <IBM Charms:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510216>
[16:46] <firl> anyone know if there is an easy way to tell the juju client to re run all the config values on a host?
[16:47] <firl> for example: I have to ssh into a machine and tell it to reload via “sudo service jujud-unit-neutron-openvswitch-21 restart"
[16:53] <Icey> cannot start instance for machine "1": tagging root disk: timed out waiting for EBS volume to be associated
[16:55] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Do you by chance have access to the RQ?
[17:16] <Prabakaran> Is there any changes in the process of creating a bug and subscribing to a charmers group as my new charm is not reflecting under review queue.
[17:38] <lazypower> Prabakaran : no change in process so far.
[17:39] <lazypower> Prabakaran: Marco restarted the revq ingest, and it may be several hours behind. We'll be tracking this, as marco is in Japan. once he's available we'll circle back and check on the RQ status of your bug. Thanks for teh bug link, we'll use it to cross reference
[17:47] <jamespage> narindergupta, hey - around?
[17:47] <narindergupta> jamespage: yeah
[17:48] <jamespage> narindergupta, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~nuage-canonical/charms/trusty/nova-compute/next/+merge/276669
[17:48] <jamespage> is that change related to the query you sent me via email last week?
[17:48] <narindergupta> jamespage: yes
[17:48] <jamespage> narindergupta, was that specific to an openstack release?
[17:48] <narindergupta> jamespage: nuage mentioned that its needed for kilo as well
[17:49] <jamespage> narindergupta, it is but its probably been working in kilo OK as the old deprecated option had not been removed
[17:49] <narindergupta> jamespage:
[17:50] <narindergupta> jamespage: what are deprecated options?
[17:50] <narindergupta> jamespage: i can look for those options with Nuage.
[17:51] <jamespage> narindergupta, the change is fine - the openstack projects normally support old configuration options for a few cycles when the get moved around
[17:51] <jamespage> so before this was a DEFAULT section item (neutron_ovs_bridge=alubr0) now its a section config option
[17:51] <jamespage> narindergupta, anyway its landed
[17:52] <narindergupta> jamespage: could be but thanks
[17:52] <jamespage> narindergupta, it is :-)
[17:52] <narindergupta> but i am sure other plugin might face similar issue
[17:52] <narindergupta> jamespage: thanks
[17:52] <jamespage> narindergupta, just an observation - but no need to resubmit merge proposals every time you push to a branch - the existing MP will be updated automatically
[17:53] <narindergupta> jamespage: ok thanks for letting me know. I was unaware about this feature.
[18:03] <jamespage> narindergupta, ok I've landed all of the merge proposals you detailed earlier
[18:04] <narindergupta> jamespage: thanks james
[18:04] <narindergupta> jamespage: i will update nuage accordingly
[18:04] <narindergupta> jamespage: i have meeting with Subu today evening and will ask to update the nuage specific review comments as well.
[18:15] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: no i don't
[18:32] <Prabakaran> Thanks <lazypower>
[20:12] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: Just ran into a bundletester dependency issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13105165/
[20:12] <aisrael> Fresh vm, after I ran `pip install bundletester`
[20:13] <aisrael> and a different error after I manually installed it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13105175/
[20:14] <aisrael> I fixed that with `pip install -U bundletester`, but then ran into http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13105186/
[20:14] <aisrael> Am I installing it wrong?
[20:15] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: charmbox installs it via pip https://github.com/juju-solutions/charmbox/blob/master/install-review-tools.sh
[20:16] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: Odd. Maybe I missed installing one of the dependencies. After I finish with rq, I'll wipe the machine clean and reinstall and see if I can recreate it
[20:16] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: run bundletester with -Fvl DEBUG instead
[20:17] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: it should install its own deps
[20:18] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: ack, thanks
[20:18] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: i just ran bundletester inside the latest charmbox, no errors
[20:18] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: the -v should give you more output, hopefully that'll help
[21:18] <urthmover> the first node that I am attempting to add is outputting iscsistart cannot make a connection to 10.43.201.11:3260 (-1,101) during the PXE boot process. How do I fix this?
[21:18] <urthmover> I'm booting the 14.04 LTS amd64 image
[21:19] <urthmover> the maas server does appear to be listening tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3260 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - off (0.00/0/0)
[21:41] <urthmover> I was able to create a private network within vmware and once the gateway was available PXE worked and I'm at a login prompt
[21:54] <urthmover> can I run juju without using the wakeonlan fuctionality, I do not mind having every node on all the time ?
[21:56] <opencell> Hi
[21:56] <urthmover> hey
[21:57] <opencell> i create a charm for my open source billing software : https://github.com/opencellsoft/juju-charms
[21:58] <opencell> to use it i need to deploy postgresql charm
[21:58] <opencell> then to add-relation between opencell and postgresql
[21:58] <opencell> my question is about add-relation
[21:59] <opencell> if i do "juju add-relation opencell postgresql:db" before opencell charm is fully deploy, it don't work
[22:00] <opencell> so my question is : is there a way to wait that charm deploy is finish before do the add-relation ?
[22:01] <opencell> for information at the end of my install hook, i've add : status-set blocked "Waiting for active database connection"
[22:17] <thumper> opencell: hey there
[22:17] <thumper> with juju 1.24 and above, the unit can set its status, along with a message
[22:18] <thumper> so when the install hook runs, it can download and install bits it knows it needs but not start the service
[22:19] <thumper> and leave a message saying it is blocked until the postgres relation is added
[22:19] <thumper> make the actual starting not happen until the db hook joined gets called
[22:19] <thumper> hmm, just finished reading all you said
[22:20] <thumper> yes, yours status-set is the right thing
[22:20] <thumper> I'm not sure what you mean by not worknig if you add relation before it is deployed
[22:20] <thumper> the hooks are called in a defined order
[22:35] <urthmover> Is it possible to run juju without the power functionality. I'm inside of a hosted vmware environment and do not have shell access to the ESX5.5 hosts.
[23:20] <opencell> sorry thumper
[23:21] <opencell> what i do is juju add-relation opencell postgresql:db when charm message is Waiting for agent initialization to finish
[23:24] <thumper> that should be fine
[23:31] <opencell> hum my bad, really sorry ... i try to reproduce again, but all is fine
[23:37] <opencell> sorry again to disturb, i'm beginner with juju, so i was maybe do something wrong before add-relation. Thx a lot for you're time and long life to juju witch is a great tool !
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.130150
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Icey",
"Prabakaran",
"admcleod-",
"aisrael",
"arosales",
"blahdeblah",
"bloodearnest",
"cory_fu",
"firl",
"jam",
"jamespage",
"jcastro",
"kwmonroe",
"lazypower",
"marcoceppi",
"mup",
"narindergupta",
"opencell",
"rick_h__",
"stub",
"thumper",
"tvansteenburgh",
"urthmover",
"wwitzel3"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23juju.txt",
"channel": "#juju"
}
|
2015-11-04-#xubuntu
|
[02:07] <ni291187> test
[02:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Pass
[09:26] <ewet> hi, are there any plans to integrate the Application Finder into Whisker?
[09:29] <flocculant> ewet: not that I know of
[09:30] <flocculant> I assume you mean for launching things
[09:31] <ewet> yes
[09:33] <flocculant> the one thing I often run app finder for was root thunar - just made a new menu item for it
[09:50] <Name141> How long does the LTS have before 16?
[09:55] <well_laid_lawn> !lts
[09:58] <Name141> indeed
[11:52] <Name141> It seems 15 was a little more responsive on boot/shutdown
[11:52] <Name141> than LTS
[11:53] <Name141> But, since I like to be left alone.. I'm staying LTS
[11:53] <Name141> Nothing else seemed different enough
[12:16] <sim642> Abiword and Gnumeric were removed in 15.10, right?
[12:17] <krytarik> sim642: Not installed by default, yep.
[12:21] <sim642> right, I have a friend who supposedly installed 15.10 and had them not libreoffice
[12:21] <krytarik> Hah.
[12:22] <knob> Good morning everyone =)
[12:23] <krytarik> knob: Hey there.
[12:23] <knob> How's it going krytarik ?
[12:24] <krytarik> knob: Quite nice, but we have -offtopic too. :)
[12:25] <knob> Super. I'll head over there. =)
[12:25] <krytarik> \o/
[15:38] <behalebabo> I've freshly installed Xbuntu 15.10 and after that installed dolphin and kate, but I don't have any folder or file icons in dolphin or the menus in both.
[15:48] <JohnnyComeL8ly> behalebabo, you don't have an icon pack, most likely.
[15:48] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Probably need the "oxygen" one.
[15:49] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Or, configure the programs to take "humanity" or whatever else is already there.
[15:49] <behalebabo> I have oxygen-icon-theme installed
[15:50] <JohnnyComeL8ly> You do have folders in ~ don't you?
[15:50] <behalebabo> yes
[15:51] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I don't have either installed... try looking at the preferences though.
[15:52] <JohnnyComeL8ly> See if there's a setting or a few that need to be tweaked. Remember, this isn't what most ppl will install, so maybe an additional package with settings that they depend upon is missing. (Just a thought).
[15:54] <knome> otoh, apps should probably depend on themes if they need them (or at least recommend them if they have no icons without them)
[15:55] <knome> but that's not really something xubuntu can do for dolphin/kate
[15:55] <behalebabo> I noticed this in the output of kwrite: 'QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message: "_GTK_LOAD_ICONTHEMES"'
[16:05] <knome> behalebabo, the package qt4-qtconfig might help
[16:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> behalebabo, is Thunar or Mousepad not good enough?
[16:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> behalebabo, is Thunar or Mousepad not good enough?
[16:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I find they work quite well.
[16:11] <behalebabo> I can always fall back to other programs, but I like Kate, and use Kdevelop too.
[16:12] <knome> behalebabo, just realize that you are then using two toolkits, which will slow down the system
[16:12] <behalebabo> kdevelop doesn't appear to have the problem though
[16:12] <knome> but of course if you are using qt anyway... then it doesn't matter that much
[16:13] <knome> or "at all" really
[16:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> behalebabo, you should look into using something like LxQt.
[16:13] <behalebabo> I have done this in 15.04 and 12.10, only after upgrading to 15.10 from 15.04 did it stop working.
[16:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I see.
[16:16] <behalebabo> Ah, I found the answer: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE
[16:17] <behalebabo> Thanks for your help
[16:17] <knome> there are likely problematic issues with that, but however you like...
[16:17] <knome> i mean obviously you can only select one.
[16:17] <JohnnyComeL8ly> knome: I assume you do some blending of KDE and Gnome yourself by your name.
[16:18] <knome> JohnnyComeL8ly, nope.
[16:18] <JohnnyComeL8ly> What does that name come from?
[16:18] <knome> something completely different, which is not really topic for this channel :)
[16:19] <JohnnyComeL8ly> K.
[19:32] <xNear> Hello, I have problem with xUbuntu.
[19:32] <xNear> http://askubuntu.com/questions/693181/no-mouse-pointer-at-second-monitor-xubuntu-lts-14-04-3-xfce-4-10-newest-f
[19:32] <xNear> Any person wants to help me?
[20:21] <xNear> Help needed... http://askubuntu.com/questions/693181/no-mouse-pointer-at-second-monitor-xubuntu-lts-14-04-3-xfce-4-10-newest-f
[20:21] <knome> xNear, not a solution, but you could make sure that file is removed on every boot...
[20:41] * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[20:41] <knome> m3n3chm0, yes?
[20:42] <m3n3chm0> night¡¡
[20:52] <knome> m3n3chm0, if you don't have a question, please don't repeat it on this channel as it will mean many people will need to check out the channel activity - this channel is for support, not chat
[20:58] <deshipu> hi guys
[20:59] <deshipu> can anyone tell me how to prevent lightdm or whatever script it runs from completely deleting my xorg.conf and replacing it with a broken one?
[20:59] <deshipu> in the newest xubuntu
[20:59] <deshipu> brilliant idea, by the way
[21:00] <knome> great attitude, by the way
[21:00] <deshipu> I'm not saying it's yours
[21:01] <knome> you are implying it's a "decision"/idea
[21:01] <knome> you know better...
[21:02] <deshipu> yeah, it just "happened"
[21:02] <deshipu> someone had a bug to fix, and fixed it that way
[21:02] <knome> regressions can happen
[21:02] <deshipu> and someone else accepted the patch
[21:03] <knome> and deshipu didn't help us test the ISO :(
[21:03] <deshipu> or are you sayying that the file is getting replaced with a badly autogenerated one by accident?
[21:03] <knome> no. i'm saying that bugs aren't introduced on purpose.
[21:04] <deshipu> sure, I bet it looked like a great idea, I'm sure of that
[21:04] <deshipu> let's completely ignore user data and do our own thing, we know better
[21:04] <deshipu> but I'm not going to discuss the *buntu development practices
[21:05] <flocculant> deshipu: you appear to know what's wrong - so the way to deal with it is propose the fix - not here of course - we don't have any control over lightdm
[21:05] <deshipu> I'm just wondering if anybody in here hada similar problem or has any pointers as to which script may actually be doing that
[21:05] <deshipu> flocculant: I know what is wrong, there is just 1000 places where they might have hidden that
[21:05] <flocculant> doesn't read like that - just reads like a sarcastic whine
[21:06] <deshipu> flocculant: that may be caused by my agitated state of mind
[21:06] <deshipu> sorry for that
[21:08] <knome> deshipu, let me assure you - i haven't heard of any change that would touch xorg.conf
[21:09] <knome> deshipu, and i also haven't heard anybody report this issue before...
[21:11] * flocculant neither
[21:12] <deshipu> well, it is happening, and I'm pretty sure I didn't add such a thing
[21:12] <flocculant> there was bug 1310489
[21:12] <deshipu> sorry, nop browser without X
[21:12] <flocculant> then write it down and look another time
[21:15] <vidplace7> Anyone know what became of https://launchpad.net/xfce4-keyboard-overlay ?
[21:17] <vidplace7> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/KeyboardShortcutsOverlay
[21:17] <xNear> knome: I know, but...
[21:17] <Unit193> It was put on hold for now, think the idea was to use Vala as it'd be snappier to pop up. I could be wrong of course.
[21:17] <xNear> This file deletes too monitor configurations. It would force me to configure every time monitor settings... Its weird.
[21:17] <vidplace7> Unit193: Anything ever pop up for a Vala version/
[21:17] <vidplace7> ?
[21:20] <deshipu> ok, if anybody has a similar problem, disabling gpu-manager in the configuration doesn't work, you have to actually delete the executable
[21:22] <Unit193> vidplace7: No, other projects like mugshot, catfish, gtk-theme-config took precedence, wasn't clear there was a real need for the overlay.
[21:23] <vidplace7> Unit193: I'm working on a project that's effectively a specialized version of Xubuntu with tweaks to run very well on ChromeBooks.
[21:23] <vidplace7> We rewrite a ton of shortcut keys because the function buttons are media keys instead
[21:23] <vidplace7> So we wanted to fork it and modify it, if it existed ;)
[21:30] <Unit193> vidplace7: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-x-development
[21:36] <vidplace7> Oh cool, so there's a posibility it'll be implemented in the next 6 months :)
[21:36] <vidplace7> Not bad
[21:37] <Unit193> vidplace7: Slight.
[21:37] <vidplace7> lol, just a low priority enhancement, aye
[21:39] <ronin> what are sysadmins usually using for monitoring commands users run?
[22:40] <soreau> If autologin is enabled, what's the 'best' way to get rid of the keyring popup when auto-connecting to wifi?
[23:37] <xubuntu15d> hi
[23:38] <knome> hello
[23:44] <Walliski> o.O
[23:44] <knome> Walliski, hello?
[23:45] <Walliski> Hi :P
[23:45] <Walliski> Nice discussion with mr. xubuntu15d :P
[23:45] <knome> that happens, sometimes people are lonely.
[23:45] <Unit193> Hiiii knome.
[23:46] <knome> or are reading the documentation, join the channel to ask something but find the answer in the documentation
[23:46] <Walliski> Yeah
[23:46] <knome> oh no, no that Unit193 stalker again
[23:46] <genii> Heh
[23:46] <Walliski> I would feel guilty about the stalking part
[23:46] <Walliski> I got superliked onm tinder by a real cute girl
[23:46] <knome> that's the purpose of me saying that >:)
[23:46] <Walliski> Showed it to my friend
[23:46] <Walliski> He swiped left
[23:46] <knome> ok, now let's move onto #xubuntu-offtopic ...
[23:47] <Walliski> :D
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.147165
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JohnnyComeL8ly",
"Name141",
"Unit193",
"Walliski",
"behalebabo",
"deshipu",
"ewet",
"flocculant",
"genii",
"knob",
"knome",
"krytarik",
"m3n3chm0",
"ni291187",
"ronin",
"sim642",
"soreau",
"vidplace7",
"well_laid_lawn",
"xNear",
"xubuntu15d"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23xubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#xubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uk
|
[00:50] <ahayzen> popey, omg those windows support calls are hilarious, how did you record them ?
[00:50] <popey> ahayzen, it's my house phone held up against the usual mic I use.
[00:50] <ahayzen> haha
[01:12] <daftykins> hmm those are getting common!
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:40] <MooDoo> morning
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:07] <bashrc> morning
[09:09] <foobarry> the one from willcooke was brilliant
[09:10] <foobarry> lenny the precorded old man
[09:14] <willcooke> foobarry, I've tweaked the sounds a little: https://soundcloud.com/willcooke/lenny-improved
[09:29] <foobarry> anybody else heard of a nouveau bug where mouse pointer flickers in certain parts of the UI
[09:29] <foobarry> i have 1 screen onboard and 1 screen nvidia
[09:30] <foobarry> the nvidia running nouveau only has this issue
[09:32] <foobarry> bug 1278223
[09:46] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Stress Awareness Day! 😃
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> dammit, i had just made myself forget the stress... thanks very much... :-P
[10:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc I think this song covers most stressful situations nicely :)
[10:19] <JamesTait> You're welcome? 😝
[10:20] <davmor2> Ironically the song isn't Ironic
[10:22] <davmor2> JamesTait: Of course zmoylan-pi will now stress over the fact that he can't get it out of his head, but meh :)(
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> literally no longer means literally...
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> and they removed the word gullible from the dictionary
[10:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, but as long as he's aware that he's stressed, that's good, right?
[10:24] <davmor2> JamesTait: right that's why I made him aware first
[10:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKUQFtR6sPM
[10:25] <ali1234> you mean literally literally doesn't mean literally?
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> literally literally means figuratively too... http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/
[10:32] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's all because people are muppets, good is meh, bad is good, literally is figurative and and wicked is awesome and awesome is meant to be terrifying so the world language is all to pot
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> tickety boo, just as long as don't go beyond the pale
[10:43] <popey> language evolves, get over it :)
[10:45] <MooDoo> I wish people wood talk proper like what I does.
[10:50] <JamesTait> Is anyone else seeing UI breakage in Qt4 apps under Vivid?
[10:50] <foobarry> meh...proprietary nvidia drive doesn't work at all when using 1 onboard card and 1 external
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> bananas acquired for sandwiches for lunch...
[12:00] <popey> ooh, good idea
[12:00] <popey> I feel a peanut butter and banana sarnie coming on
[12:06] * Laney wants nutella
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> or i could make crisp sandwiches... king cheese and onion crisps...
[12:08] * bigcalm wants a gin & tonic
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> i did see that someone is selling gin and tonic crisps...
[12:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: won't that make the bread soggy?
[12:09] <bigcalm> Sod food, I want a drink
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> after finishing a gin and tonic sandwich bigcalm won't care
[12:13] <popey> After OggCamp I don't think I need any more booze for a while
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> that's just your liver speaking...
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> and maybe your wallet...
[12:17] <davmor2> popey: you mean it might take a while for there to be too much blood in your alcohol stream again ;)
[12:25] <bigcalm> I spent an amazing amount of money on the Friday evening
[12:26] <bigcalm> Good food and expensive drinks
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> what you need to do is have a fake receipt made up for a tattoo parlour and put it in drunkest persons pocket... :-)
[12:48] <diddledan> morning
[14:18] <Myrtti> this might interest someone
[14:18] <Myrtti> Kensington SD3500v USB 3.0 Universal Docking Station with Dual Video for Windows 8.1, 8, 7, XP (HDMI, DVI,VGA to 2048x1152, GB ethernet, 4 x USB 2.0, 2 x USB 3.0) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009JZHEVU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_EoHowbMKMYY70
[14:20] <diplo> Best way of seeing how many users are on multiple servers on a VM? python + fabric ?
[14:23] <diddledan> diplo, for a single machine the `who` command should tell you who's logged-in?
[14:24] <bigcalm> As will `w` but with slightly different information
[14:24] <bigcalm> And then there is `last` to see who has recently been on
[14:24] <diplo> So basically we host a load of customers on a VM, 6-7 centos boxes, we just want to check how many users are on each box before rebooting without logging into each box
[14:25] <diddledan> a vm with multiple boxes? eh?
[14:25] <bigcalm> Sounds like you need a centralised remote management tool
[14:33] <diplo> :P
[14:33] <diplo> Yes you know what I meant
[14:33] <diplo> Fabric works fine, just wanted a quick and simple check
[14:33] <diplo> 4 lines of code, simples
[14:34] <Laney> damn
[14:34] <Laney> accidentally opened the door to someone selling
[14:34] <diddledan> oops
[14:34] <diddledan> I hate opening my door
[14:35] <Laney> was expecting someone
[14:35] <Laney> otherwise I would have been more cautious
[14:37] <awilkins> Is there a way to temporarily register a hostname to a particular IP address without editing /etc/hosts ?
[14:37] <awilkins> Like, I know ubuntu runs dnsmasq for name cacheing, is there a way to signal it to assign a name to an IP
[14:48] <ali1234> yeah, edit /etc/hosts
[14:48] <awilkins> That's what I did :-/
[14:48] <awilkins> Thinking on it, there are probably pretty good reasons for that
[14:49] <ali1234> you can also put config files in /etc/dnsmasq.d and then restart it
[14:49] <ali1234> but that is not very useful for hosts functionality
[15:03] <awilkins> Just a PITA to remove it after
[15:03] <awilkins> It's for resolving VMs on a bridged adapter
[15:07] <diddledan> if it's a bridged adapter you might get away with using avahi or by getting your router to save dhcp hostnames into it's resolver
[15:35] <awilkins> My router at home takes note of their name and serves the address
[15:36] <awilkins> I'm in a wifi lounge in Manchester though
[15:36] <diddledan> aah
[15:36] <awilkins> Well, pshaw
[15:36] <awilkins> It's a minor inconvenience
[15:37] <diddledan> why do my windows pcs not see any samba servers and vice versa?
[15:37] <ali1234> you can set up a DNS server for a specific domain
[15:37] <ali1234> add it to dnsmasq config
[15:37] <ali1234> and then reconfigure it however you like
[15:38] <diddledan> it seems that I have some kind of split brain - half my network are able to see each other and the other half are able to see each other but it seems that neither half can see the other half
[15:38] <diddledan> yes, ping works
[15:39] <diddledan> and yes, accessing samba from a windows via ip address also works - it's just the name resolution that seems wonky
[15:46] <diddledan> ok that's interesting. seems pings to the broadcast address are only getting 4 distinct replies (there should be more systems than that)
[15:54] <awilkins> Murdoch buys National Geographic. Murdoch fires 180 award winning journalists.
[15:55] <awilkins> *surprise*
[17:04] <diddledan> awesome bug: https://youtu.be/avwDj3KRuLc?t=1636
[21:02] <diddledan> evening
[22:32] <mapps> evening diddledan
[22:32] <mapps> why do people still go to egypt..theres terror attacks almost yearly
[22:34] <mapps> same as turkey..id never go
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> ireland did very well during years of terrorism for tourists
[23:08] <popey> foobarry, http://liliputing.com/2015/11/android-6-0-comes-to-the-hp-touchpad-unofficially.html
[23:09] <daftykins> heh, i've got one of those
[23:38] <mapps> crim minds is so good:D
[23:53] <daftykins> any of you folks dealt with any CRMs before and know any to avoid like the plague / prefer ?
[23:53] <daftykins> gotta attend a meeting next Monday where someone will be proposing one, i'll be expecting them to be pushing an MS SQL server abortion and will hope to steer them away from it
[23:54] <mapps> heh nah never ;]
[23:54] <mapps> lol at those idiots protesting for free tuition
[23:55] <daftykins> :P
[23:55] <mapps> how do these fools think things work
[23:55] <mapps> everything for free..so where owuld money come from
[23:56] <daftykins> where in the world is that happening?
[23:56] <mapps> london
[23:57] <mapps> these people really are fools..if noone pays where would money for equipment come from ,
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland companies that want first dibs at trained staff donate equipment
[23:59] <mapps> its the same idiots that think housing should be free for all
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.164302
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JamesTait",
"Laney",
"MooDoo",
"Myrtti",
"ahayzen",
"ali1234",
"awilkins",
"bashrc",
"bigcalm",
"brobostigon",
"daftykins",
"davmor2",
"diddledan",
"diplo",
"foobarry",
"mapps",
"popey",
"willcooke",
"zmoylan-pi"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uk.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uk"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-de
|
[08:39] <Gunther_> guten morgen
[08:40] <Gunther_> kann mir wer bitte sagen ob es eine iso datei gibt wo sämlichte oberflächen gleich zum installieren angeboten werden
[08:41] <Gunther_> sowas wie ubuntu kubuntu usw in einer iso datei
[08:42] <Gunther_> oder eine net install version von ubuntu wo man gleich alle benutzer oberflächen installieren kann
[08:44] <Gunther_> guten morgen doev
[08:44] <doev> morgen
[08:45] <Gunther_> kennst du dich gut mit ubuntu aus
[08:45] <ppq> Gunther_, letzteres gibt es, schau mal auf http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[08:46] <doev> Wie kann man ein deb paket aus einem PPA laden ohne das PPA zu installieren?
[08:46] <Gunther_> welche version ist denn eine lts version ppq
[08:46] <ppq> doev, View package details
[08:47] <ppq> Gunther_, na komm, das ist nun wirklich leicht herauszufinden
[08:47] <jokrebel> doev: Wenn Du das .deb herunterladen kannst, kann man das auch ohne die PPA-Quellen einzubinden, installieren.
[08:47] <ppq> zumal das da auch dransteht...
[08:47] <Gunther_> oh sorry danke ppq
[08:47] <doev> ok, danke. ging tatsächlich über die ppa webpage.
[08:48] <Gunther_> gibt es denn auch ubuntu mit gnome 2 weil die 3 mag ich nicht das sieht mit wie windows 8 aus und das finde ich nicht so toll
[08:49] <ppq> Gunther_, auch das lässt sich in ein paar sekunden ergoogeln ;)
[08:49] <ppq> "ubuntu mate" hat gnome2
[08:49] <Gunther_> wenn ich ubuntu mate nehmen würde würde ich dann auch hier hilfe bekommen
[08:51] <ppq> ja
[08:51] <Gunther_> danke
[08:52] <Gunther_> ich frage mich trotzdem warum es keine iso dateien gibt wo alle ubuntu derivate drin sind
[08:53] <Gunther_> sozusagen alle derivate in einer iso datei
[08:53] <ppq> gibt es sicherlich, aber nicht aus offizieller quelle
[08:54] <Gunther_> ist es denn dumm sämtliche oberflächen unter ein system zu installieren
[08:55] <ppq> es nimmt halt *sehr* viel speicherplatz weg
[08:55] <jokrebel> Gunther_: Man weiß in der Regel ja, welches *buntu man installieren will. Da dann alle Varianten (und dann vielleicht gleich auch noch alles in 32bit UND 64bit) in eine ISO zu packen, die dann zigmal so groß ist klingt ziemlich dämlich.
[08:55] <ppq> und in seltenen einzelfällen kann es zu problemchen kommen, durch konflikte
[08:55] <Gunther_> reicht denn eine 1tb festplatte
[08:55] <ppq> aber im prinzip spricht nichts dagegen, alle möglichen DEs parallel installiert zu haben
[08:56] <ppq> ob aus dem iso oder aus dem internet spielt da ja keine rolle
[08:56] <Gunther_> reicht denn eine 1tb festplatte
[08:56] <ppq> ja
[08:56] * jokrebel hat auch des öfteren 3 oder mehrere installiert.
[08:56] <Gunther_> und die 3 beharken sich in keinster weise
[08:56] <ppq> normalerweise nicht
[08:57] <ppq> wenn doch, merkst du das schon ;)
[08:59] <Gunther_> ich fände es ja schön wenn ubuntu sich ein klein wenig von den anderen linux distributionen was abgucken könnte zum beispiel wie es suse macht da haste ne 4 gb iso datei und wenn de internet hast dann zieht es sich gleich alles während des installierens runter ich mag halt alles auf einmal installieren dann musste später nichts hinzufügen
[09:01] <ppq> updates während der installation kann der ubuntu-installer auch
[09:01] <ppq> und wenn du was anderes als den standard-satz an paketen installieren willst, nimmst du halt ein image mit text-installer
[09:02] <ppq> zb die netboot version, oder die "server" cd - auch mit der kann man ein stinknormales *buntu installieren mit beliebigen desktopumgebungen auf einmal
[09:02] <Gunther_> das klingt genau danach wonach ich suche
[09:02] <ppq> die netboot version? ja, die nehme ich auch immer
[09:03] <Gunther_> wieviele oberflächen gibt es denn bei ubuntu also ich kenne gnome kde dann hast du vorhin mate gesagt was gibt es denn noch
[09:04] <ppq> guck mal bei wikipedia, da steht alles was du wissen musst und noch viel mehr
[09:05] <Gunther_> ok danke ppq auch wenn du es nicht mehr lesen kannst
[09:06] <Gunther_> jokrebel
[09:07] <jokrebel> Gunther_: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/einsteiger#Ubuntu-Kubuntu-Xubuntu-Lubuntu-Ubuntu-GNOME
[09:07] <Gunther_> danke
[09:08] <jokrebel> und ganz allgemein kann man das gesamte Ubuntuusers-Wiki grade Neueinsteigern wärmstens ans Herz legen.
[09:09] <Gunther_> naja ist nicht so als währe ich ein anfänger
[09:10] <Gunther_> eher ein umsteiger weil meine lieblings distribution gefällt mir nicht mehr weil der support milde ausgetrückt dumm ist
[09:10] <Gunther_> ich möchte mich halt neu orientieren
[09:12] <jokrebel> Auch dann ist es empfehlenswert es zu lesen. Ist schon vieles ein wenig anders als in anderen Linux-Distributionen (besonders dann, wenn sich nicht mal auf Debian basieren)
[09:13] <Gunther_> doch doch ich habe auch debian selbst schon ausprobiert aber 5 dvd ist nicht so leicht
[09:14] <Gunther_> weil wenn ich die netinstall version von debian benutzen möchte dann findet er keine netzwerk karte was natürlich blöd ist ich habe nen dummen exoten den kein normales linux erkennt
[09:18] <Gunther_> trotzdem danke für deine hilfe jokrebel
[09:20] <Gunther_> eine frage hab ich aber noch bei einer 1tb festplatte wie groß und wieviele partitionen würdest du an meiner stelle erstellen ich hatte erst gedacht 50 gb swap 50 gb root und den rest in ne home partition
[09:21] <Gunther_> ist das gut oder eher schlecht
[09:23] <jokrebel> was willst Du mit 50 GB swap?
[09:23] <stevieh> 50Gig Ram swappen ;-)
[09:23] <Gunther_> keine ahnung spiele spielen oder ist das zuviel
[09:23] <jokrebel> Swap so groß wie der RAM, falls Du "suspend" nutzen willst.
[09:24] <Gunther_> nein ich nutze kein suspend
[09:24] <Gunther_> suspend ist doch der ruhezustand
[09:25] <Gunther_> oder
[09:25] <jokrebel> Und wie viel RAM hast Du?
[09:25] <Gunther_> 8gb im moment
[09:25] <Gunther_> ddr 3
[09:28] <tuor> 50GB swap? ^^
[09:29] <jokrebel> Gunther_: Na dann nimm 8 GB swap. Alles darüber wär Perlen vor die Säue.
[09:29] <Gunther_> ja was ist damit tuor
[09:30] <Gunther_> ok mir hat mal jemmand gesagt eigentlich das doppelt bzw das dreifache an swap was man an ram hat
[09:32] <tuor> Gunther_, wofuer ausser fuer suspend und wenn das RAM mal nicht reichen sollte brauchst du swap? Mit 8GB RAM verstehe ich nicht was 50GB Swap denn bringt. Wenn dein PC anfaengt zu swapen, dann ist er sowieso soo extrem langsam, dass er nur noch sehr muesahm benutzbar ist (zu mindest die Programme welche swap als arbeitsspeicher haben).
[09:32] <Gunther_> aber das ist mir gesagt worden zu zeiten wo man wenn man 1 gb ram hatte man sich glücklich schätzen weil da noch 1 gb echt viel war
[09:33] <Gunther_> ok dann würde ich sagen ich nehme 10 gb das ist ja mehr als genug stimmt doch oder
[09:33] <Gunther_> 10gb swap und was mache ich dann mit dem rest an festplatten kapazität
[09:35] <tuor> Gunther_, ja ich denke 10GB reichen. (ausser du wuerdest kein hibernation verwenden dann waere es unnoetig viel).
[09:35] <Gunther_> hibernation ist das sowas wie suspend
[09:36] <Gunther_> bzw den ruhezustand
[09:37] <tuor> Ich kenne die deutschen Begriffe nicht so genau. Suspend ist wenn er zwar in einem "Ruhemodus" ist aber alles noch im RAM hat und noch strom braucht. Hibernation ist, wenn er alles auf die Platte schreibt und dann auch keinen Stromm mehr braucht.
[09:39] <Gunther_> achso ok danke wie würdet ihr denn die restliche festplatten kapazität verteilen bei einer festplatte mit 1tb speicher kapazität nachdem ihr die 10gb swap erstellt habt
[09:43] <jokrebel> tuor: Es gibt "suspend to RAM" und "suspend to Disk" ;-)
[09:48] <jokrebel> Gunther_: Im übrigen gibt es auch zur Partitionierung einen sehr ausführlichen Artikel, den Du lesen willst https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/partitionierung
[09:49] <Gunther_> aha ok danke jokrebel
[09:49] <jokrebel> auch noch wichtig Gunther_ https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/manuelle_partitionierung
[10:02] <Gunther_> also ist meine idee mit 10 gb swap 50 gb root und den rest in die home partition zu stecken gar nicht mal so verkehrt sehe ich das richtig ? ich habe gerade deine zwei links durch gelesen und finde das ganze gar nicht mal so schlecht
[10:04] <tuor> jokrebel, ah, dann ist hibernation einfach ein anderes Wort fuer suspend to disk.
[10:08] <Gunther_> ok danke für eure hilfe ich werde mal die net install version von ubuntu ausprobieren könnt ihr mir ein programm empfehlen wie ich die iso datei auf einen usb stick kopieren kann und ihn damit boot fähig mache
[10:16] <jokrebel> Gunther_: Auch hierfür wieder ein Wiki-Beitrag https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/live-usb langsam fühl ich mich aber ge-google-frontended ;-)
[10:17] <Gunther_> ja sorry
[10:19] <Gunther_> danke für alles ich bin erstmal weg bis dann
[11:57] <faraway> Hi, gibt es einen Befehl mit dem ich eine andere clang/llvm Version als standart Version festlegen kann? Ähnlich dem "update-alternatives --config c++"? Oder muss ich selber die symlinks anpassen?
[12:07] <benni> hallo. ich hab ein etwas rätselhaftes rechte-problem mit meiner usb-platte. mit userrechten im terminal kann ich ein verzeichnis nicht anzeigen lassen, mit rootrechten kann ich es anzeigen lassen, aber es sind keine dateien drin und im grafischen dateien-browser werden sie mit user-rechten alle normal angezeigt. irgend eine idee woran das liegen kann? ich hab ubuntu 14.4 mit classic gnome oder wie das jetzt heisst.
[12:11] <k1l> ist der terminal user der gleiche wie der, der im desktop eingeloggt ist?
[12:15] <benni> k1l: ja.
[12:17] <k1l> was sagen die rechte mit "ls -al"?
[12:18] <k1l> und was sagt "mount" dazu?
[12:18] <jokrebel> benni: Und Du gehst im Terminal in das Verzeichnis, welches der Dateimanager gemountet hat?
[12:19] <benni> jokrebel: ja
[12:20] <benni> ls -al zeigt nix an (also ausser . und ..) und die haben rechte drwxr-xr-x
[12:21] <benni> k11: mount sagt "/dev/sdc1 on /media/benni/backup-ext4 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2)"
[12:28] <benni> das verzeichnis gehört root
[12:28] <benni> das verhalten als user im terminal ist also eigentlich erwartbar. die anderen beiden versteh ich nich
[12:43] <benni> ich hab ein etwas rätselhaftes rechte-problem mit meiner usb-platte. mit userrechten im terminal kann ich ein verzeichnis nicht anzeigen lassen, mit rootrechten kann ich es anzeigen lassen, aber es sind keine dateien drin und im grafischen dateien-browser werden sie mit user-rechten alle normal angezeigt. irgend eine idee woran das liegen kann? ich hab ubuntu 14.4 mit classic gnome oder wie das jetzt heisst.
[12:44] <benni> äh sorry
[12:44] <benni> wollte das woanders hin kopieren
[12:52] <k1l> benni: ist das eine mit gnome nautilus (also gfvs) gemounted und das im terminal per hand?
[13:15] <martin04112015> guten tag
[13:18] <martin04112015> kann mir vllt jemand weiterhelfen
[13:19] <martin04112015> ich habe das Problem da ich eine Partition habe wo meine Daten drauf sind z.b Bilder da komme ich nicht rein
[13:19] <martin04112015> kommt die Fehlermeldung konnte nicht eingehangen werden
[13:20] <martin04112015> was kann ich denn da machen das ich da an die Dateien komme ??
[13:22] <dadrc> In einem Terminal mounten, genaue Fehlermeldung raussuchen
[13:23] <martin04112015> Oha ok bin neu in Linux
[13:23] <martin04112015> sry
[13:23] <LetoThe2nd> oder je nach wichtigkeit, vermutlicher schwere des fehlers und kompetenz, unter umständen ertmal ein image zihene
[13:23] <martin04112015> ja da ist ja nichts defekt an der Partition
[13:24] <martin04112015> der lässt mich von Linux aus bloß nicht drauf
[13:24] <martin04112015> von Windows aus schon
[13:24] <martin04112015> also habe ein Dual Boot System
[13:24] <dadrc> Windows 8+?
[13:24] <martin04112015> 10
[13:25] <dadrc> Dann hat wahrscheinlich das Windows die Platte noch in Beschlag
[13:25] * LetoThe2nd klinkt sich sofort wieder aus bei windows mit im spiel
[13:25] <dadrc> Das passiert gerne.
[13:25] <dadrc> Windows sauber und komplett runterfahren
[13:26] <dadrc> Kein Hybrid-Runterfahren
[13:26] <martin04112015> Ok ich probiere es mal aus
[13:26] <martin04112015> danke
[13:26] <benni> problem von vorhin hab ich gelöst. das mount war woanders als ich dachte, da wurde wohl unter /media/ noch ne zusätzliche ebene eingeführt
[13:29] <jokrebel> benni: Deshalb meine Frage ob Du wirklich im selben Verzeichnis bist...
[13:31] <benni> jokrebel: ja, hab das einfach übersehen, weil es fast identisch war. sorry
[13:31] <benni> und im dateimanager der anfang vom pfad gar nich angezeigt wurde
[13:33] <jokrebel> Nautlius lässt sich dafür mit STRG+L umschalten. Dann sind da keine Symbole mehr sondern der echte Pfad.
[13:35] <martin04112015> also bin zurück irgendwas stimmt nicht
[13:35] <benni> jokrebel: ah, guter tipp. im menupunkt "info" steht da übrigens nur "Dateien" und nicht "Nautilus" als Programmname. Wurde das umbenannt? Oder ist das was anderes? strg-L hat auf jeden fall auch funktioniert
[13:36] <martin04112015> windows erkennt meine Daten Partition gar nicht mehr und unter Linux bekomme ich keinen Zugriff
[13:36] <martin04112015> kann mir da jemand weiter helfen ??
[13:37] <jokrebel> martin04112015: Das ist ein Dualboot-Rechner mit Windows und Ubuntu (welches?)?
[13:38] <dadrc> martin04112015: wasn da für ein Dateisystem drauf?
[13:38] <martin04112015> habe Windows 10 und Ubuntu Mate 15.10
[13:39] <martin04112015> und Windows meint auf der Partition wo ich jetzt Linux drauf habe und meine Daten drauf sind das da nichts drauf wäre also zeigt mir an 239gb von 239 an was ja aber unmöglich ist
[13:41] <martin04112015> kann das auch mit der Boot Datei zusammen Hängen das ich die auf die Linux Partition schreiben lassen habe und nicht auf die Windows Partition?
[13:41] <jokrebel> Windows kann Linux-Dateisysteme nicht lesen.
[13:41] <jokrebel> welche Bott-Datei?
[13:41] <martin04112015> Boot datei
[13:41] <jokrebel> Boot
[13:42] <jokrebel> meinst Du das Verzeichnis /boot
[13:43] <jokrebel> Oder den Teil vom Bootloader der am besten in den MBR (und nicht auf eine der Partitonen) zu schreiben ist?
[13:43] <martin04112015> ja der Bootloader
[13:43] <martin04112015> war ein extra Feld unten
[13:44] <martin04112015> und ich habe die Partition ausgewählt wo ich Linux installiere
[13:44] <martin04112015> und wo auch meine Daten drauf sind
[13:44] <jokrebel> aber da Du Windows 10 hast, hast Du vermtlich auch schon UEFI/EFI/SecureBoot in Benutzung. Da kenn ich mich noch nicht wirklich aus.
[13:44] <martin04112015> das ist ein und die selbe Partition nur halt aufgeteilt die 240gb
[13:45] <martin04112015> ja aber unter Linux sehe ich die Partition ja aber komme nicht drauf
[13:45] <jokrebel> Und das ist eine Partition auch für Windows-Daten?
[13:46] <martin04112015> ne habe 2 platten drin
[13:46] <jokrebel> ...gewesen...
[13:46] <jokrebel> Platte =/= Partition
[13:46] <martin04112015> ja
[13:46] <martin04112015> habe 2 platten
[13:47] <martin04112015> auf der ersten nur windows 10 und auf der 2 die habe ich aufgeteilt in 2 teile einmal mit daten wo musik und so drin ist und auf den anderen teil halt linux
[13:47] <jokrebel> "unter Linux sehe ich die Partition ja aber komme nicht drauf" heißt was genau? Wie versuchst Du es? Was kommen für Fehlermeldungen?
[13:48] <martin04112015> ja mit doppelklick
[13:48] <martin04112015> und fehlermeldung ist
[13:48] <jokrebel> *seufz*
[13:48] <martin04112015> konnte nicht eingehangen werden
[13:48] <slippedyslope> hallo könnte hier jemand mit ubuntu 15.10 folgendes überprüfen?
[13:48] <martin04112015> also einhängen des ortes nicht möglich
[13:50] <slippedyslope> beim "videos"-player irgendein video öffnen und schauen ob das context-menu im vollbild benutzbar ist?
[13:52] <jokrebel> martin04112015: Zeig doch als erstes mal ein "sudo fdisk -l" in einem NoPasteService wie zB. im Topic verlinkt.
[13:52] <slippedyslope> upps falscher channel
[13:52] <martin04112015> ok
[13:56] <martin04112015> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101420/
[13:58] <jokrebel> Und Du hast grub in sdb1 schreiben lassen?
[13:58] <martin04112015> ja auf die Linux Partition
[13:59] <martin04112015> die eigentlich hätte nur 25gb groß sein dürfen
[14:00] <martin04112015> wie es aussieht hat linux einfach mal meine komplette platte gelöscht anscheinend obwohl ich extra die 25gb partition ausgewählt habe
[14:01] <martin04112015> oder verstehe ich die Ausgabe von sudo fdisk -l falsch ??
[14:01] <leszek> martin04112015: anscheinend ? Kannst du das nicht überprüfen ? Gparted ob die Partitionen noch vorhanden sind und mit dem Live Medium ob die Daten noch da sind
[14:02] <martin04112015> meinst du jetzt unter Linux ??
[14:02] <martin04112015> oder Windows ??
[14:02] <jokrebel> martin04112015: Wenn Du den automatischen Installer genommen hast und dort dann abgenickt hast "ganze Festplatte benutzen" ja ;-) Nur müsste (zumindest bei _alten_ BIOS *kein UEFI*) der Grub-Bootloader dann auch in den MBR von sda und nicht in die Partition und dann auch noch von der zweiten Platte.
[14:03] <leszek> martin04112015: linux . Windows hat keine richtigen live medien
[14:04] <jokrebel> Wei sonst lässt es sich ja gar nicht booten.
[14:04] <jokrebel> +l
[14:04] <martin04112015> ne ganze festplatte geht nicht habe die 25gb festplatte vorher erstellt dann bei der linux install dann nur die ausgewählt und nur bei der war ein haken bei formatieren
[14:04] <martin04112015> die andere stand da extra
[14:05] <martin04112015> deswegen komisch das die jetzt anscheined komplett formatiert ist
[14:06] <martin04112015> naja schaue mal was gparted sagt
[14:06] <jokrebel> mich wundert das nicht, wenn Du ständig Festplatte und Partition als das selbe betrachtest ;-)
[14:07] <martin04112015> ne wieso ich habe 2 festplatte auf der 1 ist nur 1 partition und auf der 2 waren 2 partitionen
[14:07] <martin04112015> ist doch richtig oder nicht
[14:09] <jokrebel> nö
[14:09] <jokrebel> genau anders rum wenn ich Dein Paste so ansehe.
[14:10] <martin04112015> ich habe aber 2 Festplatten
[14:10] <martin04112015> naja habe es jetzt mit gparted ausgelesen die daten sind weg
[14:11] <martin04112015> und die 25gb partition wurde formatiert die daten partition auch und daraus eine gemacht
[14:11] <jokrebel> sda ist die erste Platte. Da gibt es sda1 und sda2. Beides NTFS also Dein Windows. Und dann kommt sdb. Da gibt es nur eine Partition sdb1 über die komplette Grüßer der Festplatte und ist mit einem Linux-Dateisystem formatiert.
[14:12] <martin04112015> ja und auf der 2 platte waren aber vorher 2 partitionen einmal einmal wo die daten drauf waren und eine 25gb
[14:13] <jokrebel> Weil Du beim Install "ja, ganze Festplatte verwenden" wähltest in der Annahme er frage nach "ganze Partition verwenden" was der Installer nicht tut.
[14:13] <martin04112015> ja ist doch aber richtig wenn ich 2 partitonen hatte
[14:13] <jokrebel> Bei mehreren Platten UND Partitionen kommt man um das händische festlegen was wo hin soll nicht herum
[14:14] <martin04112015> und die mit 25gb auswähle kann er doch die ganze partition formatieren das hat doch mit der anderen partition wo meine daten drauf waren garnichts zu tun
[14:14] <martin04112015> oder was habe ich falsch gemacht ??
[14:15] <martin04112015> verstehe ich irgendwie nicht ganz gerade
[14:16] <jokrebel> martin04112015: "ganze Festplatte verwenden" ist die gesamte Festplatte für Linux herrichten. Den Punkt "gesamte PARTITION verwenden" gibt es nicht, schon allein weil ubuntu wenigstens 2 Partitionen möchte. Oder wahlweise auch mehr. Du solltest Dich da dringend besser einlesen.
[14:16] <martin04112015> mhh komisch
[14:17] <martin04112015> linux meinte das es noch eine swap partition fehlt also ich machen soll wenn ich zu wenig speichert habe
[14:17] <martin04112015> habe ich nicht habe auf weiter geklickt
[14:18] <martin04112015> ja aber wenn ich eine partition auswähle und es mich fragt ob ich auf dieser partition linux installieren möchte und ich ja sage kann er doch nicht einfach noch eine andere partition löschen diese zusammen packen
[14:22] <martin04112015> naja mal schauen wie ich das jetzt machen
[14:22] <jokrebel> Es GIBT keinen Auswahlpunkt "nur in diese eine Partition installieren"
[14:24] <martin04112015> ne man bekommt eine liste mit den platten und den partitionen
[14:25] <martin04112015> dann habe ich doppelklick aus die 25 gb partiton gemacht dort haken bei formatieren gemacht und dort in dem fenster ext4 ausgewählt fertig
[14:25] <martin04112015> und es war dann im menü nur bei meiner 25gb partition ein haken bei formatieren
[14:25] <martin04112015> und jetzt das
[14:25] <martin04112015> also echt keine ahnung was ich falsch gemacht habe
[14:28] <martin04112015> und unter gparted ist es mir unter linux nicht einmal möglich meine 2 platte wo jetzt nur noch linux drauf ist zu verkleiner
[14:28] <martin04112015> wieso ??
[14:32] <jokrebel> Nochmal! Wenn Du erst zwar anfängst händisch zu Partitionieren und zu Formatieren, dann aber nicht auch festlegst was / was ggf. /boot oder /home werden soll, sondern dann was anklickst wo Du "meintest" es bedeute "ganze Partiton benutzen" (was es wie schon gesagt so nicht gibt) weil Du die Begriffe Partition und Platte nicht auseinander halten konntest kann da der Installer nichts dafür.
[14:34] <martin04112015> mhh naja mal schauen dann werde ich mich nochmal neu einlesen müssen
[14:34] <martin04112015> trotzdem vielen dank für die hilfe
[15:28] <linuxperia> Hallo Zusammen! Ich habe vor kurzem Heute ein paar vorgeschalgene Pakete für 15.10 aktualisiert und kann nach dem Neustart nicht mehr Ubuntu bis zum Login Screen booten. Habe versucht mittels der zweiten Option Upstart im Grub menu das ganze ebenfalls zu booten dort bekomme ich die Fehler meldung /sbin/upstart /usr/local/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 no version information availble und nichts weiter...
[15:28] <linuxperia> ...passiert.
[15:29] <linuxperia> Brauche dringend Hilfe um Ubuntu wieder zu booten da ich noch arbeiten erledigen muss.
[15:32] <LetoThe2nd> je nach dringlichkeitsfaktor - nimm ne livecd und mach vorerst damit weiter. klingt nicht als wärs mal auf die schnelle zu richten
[15:33] <linuxperia> wenn ich im systemlog schaue gibt es dort eine kommische fehler meldung "nvidia module verification failed signature and/or required key missing - tainted kernel"
[15:34] <smeexs> warum gibt es den bug mit den sprachen eigentlich noch immer ? ( einige sprachpakete wurden nicht richtig installiert ) den gabs schon in 12.04
[15:35] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: der nvidia treiber kann natürlich putt sein. dann wärs aber interessant zu wissen was diese "vorgeschlagenen pakete" waren. -> /var/log/apt
[15:38] <strohalm> wenn es ein startscript in /etc/init und eins mit gleichen namen in /etc/init.d/ gibt.. welches wird dann genommen?
[15:38] <strohalm> von apt z.b. oder service oder ..
[15:46] <jokrebel> linuxperia: Schon mal versucht mit einem älteren Kernel zu booten?
[15:49] <linuxperia> jokrebel: ja habe ich ebenfalls bringt nichts ist gleich. strohalm: hauptsächlich NetworkManager und dessen Libs aka libnm-glib4
[15:49] <linuxperia> wie kann ich das netzwerk in der console starten wenigstens?
[15:49] <strohalm> cool
[15:56] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: im allgemeinen ifup $GEWUENSCHTESINTERFACE - gesetzt den fall es ist in der /etc/network/interfaces gesetzt.
[15:59] <linuxperia> Sieht danach auch das der NetworkManager update von heute Morgen alles kapput gemacht hat. Unglaublich. Nichts funktioniert echt.
[16:00] <linuxperia> ach kurze frage kann ich die ganzen updates von heute morgen rückgängig machen? wenn ja würde mir das echt helfen denke ich!
[16:03] <LetoThe2nd> so ein direktes update-zurückrollen gibts nicht
[16:04] <LetoThe2nd> eher weiter updaten, hoffen dass es zeitnah gefixt wird
[16:09] <linuxperia> Das wäre echt händisch und benutzerfreundlich scheint aber wohl nicht wirklich jemand von den entwicklern zu interessieren. kann nicht fassen das ein bettriebs system ala ubuntu solch eine funktion nicht bietet. sich unglaublich an den kopf fassen!
[16:10] <jokrebel> War ja klar! "Der Transportdienstleister hat die Zustellung für den nächsten Werktag geplant, da das Unternehmen am Zustelltag geschlossen ist". Und bei DHL direkt: "Die Sendung wird vorübergehend gelagert (Rückstellung, Ferien, Betriebsferien, Feiertag)."
[16:11] <smeexs> @linuxperia Mark Shuttleworth selbst empfiehlt {de} nicht ambitionierten Anwendern ausdrücklich, die Long Term Support-Versionen zu nutzen:
[16:11] <smeexs> "Diese Non-LTS-Versionen seien ohnehin nur für Leute gedacht, die an Ubuntu in irgendeiner Form mitarbeiten, alle anderen sollten nur LTS-Versionen einsetzen."
[16:11] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: jein. beim snappy-unterbau ist sowas durchaus auch angedacht meines wissens nach. aber der klassische apt/dpkg unterbau ist halt einfach mittlerweise zig jahre alt, und so ein feature ist nicht mal eben nachimplementiert
[16:11] <jokrebel> oups falsches Fenster sorry
[16:12] <martin04112015> so da bin ich wieder
[16:13] <martin04112015> habe jetzt mal ubuntu mate auf meinen alten rechner drauf gepackt da kann ich nichts mehr kaputt machen ^^
[16:13] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: abgesehen davon, dass nicht-lts so ne knappe woche nach freigabe auch nicht direkt die ausgeburt an stabilität ist. hilft dir jetzt zwar nicht weiter, ist aber leider so.
[16:14] <smeexs> den fehler machen leider viele
[16:14] <martin04112015> jetzt habe ich aber folgendes problem kriege die auflösung meines bildschirms nicht bei ubuntu rein immer wenn ich die einstellung des bildschirms nehme fehlt mir an den rändern immer ein teil meines desktops
[16:14] <martin04112015> hat da jemand eine lösung ??
[16:15] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: ist das vielleicht ein fernseher? ;)
[16:15] <martin04112015> ja ist es schlimm ??
[16:16] <martin04112015> ist über hdmi angeschlossen
[16:16] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: nö, aber das machts zu einem nicht-ubuntu-problem. du musst in den einstellungen des fernseher das overscaling ausschalten.
[16:16] <martin04112015> so was hat der garnicht dafür ist der zu alt ^^
[16:16] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: overscaling hat er sicher, das löst nämlich das problem aus.
[16:17] <martin04112015> das ist nur ein billiger kleiner 24zoller
[16:17] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: und overscaling steht per spec in der hdmi definition drin.
[16:17] <martin04112015> ist aber hd ready ^^
[16:18] <martin04112015> ja weil die kleinste auflösung nimmt er ja
[16:18] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: die amd- und nvidia-treiber haben zum teil tricks um das zu umgehen, aber immer auf kosten der bildqulität. fakt ist das einzige was die korrekte lösung ist: overscaling am fernseher ausshalten.
[16:18] <martin04112015> und wenn ich das da nicht einstellen kann ??
[16:19] <LetoThe2nd> martin04112015: "sie haben leider verloren"
[16:19] <martin04112015> so ein mist mensch naja dann muss ich erstmal mit 640*530 oder so leben ^^
[16:20] <LetoThe2nd> ich wiederhole nochmal: das ist in der hdmi-spezifikation so festgelegt. da kann keine software was dafür, sondern einfach die tatsache dass der anschluss per hdmi erfolgt.
[16:20] <LetoThe2nd> nimm vga und gut :)
[16:20] <martin04112015> oki
[16:20] <martin04112015> muss ich mir mal ein kabel besorgen
[16:21] <martin04112015> danke für die hilfe und die info
[16:41] <linuxperia> Ubuntu ist offensichtlich voll am abkacken! Mein Problem mit dem Network Manager haben offenschtlich Einige und das Probelm schein nicht gelösst zu sein im gegensatz es wird wie in meinem Fall noch Schlimmer => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2291829
[16:44] <jokrebel> linuxperia: Ranten bitte wo anders :-/
[16:47] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: tut mir leid zu hören, aber was erwartest du jetzt als antwort?
[16:48] <LetoThe2nd> linuxperia: wir können jetzt ubuntu verteidigen, mitschimpfen, whatever. es bringt nur nichts.
[17:03] <rentier_> Mit welchem Video-Bearbeitungsprogramm kann ich das Timing von Untertitelspuren in einem mkv bearbeiten?
[17:04] <ppq> mit keinem, dafür brauchst du ein untertitelbearbeitungsprogramm
[17:04] <ppq> die können das auch dann über das video legen
[17:04] <ppq> hatte letztens eins getestet, keine ahnung wie das hieß, ist aber leicht zu recherchieren
[17:05] <ppq> wenn die untertitel im .mkv file eingebettet sind, könnte es sein, dass du sie erstmal rausholen musst. aber vielleicht gibts auch editoren, die sie direkt in der .mkv bearbeiten können
[17:08] <k1l> vlc kann das irgendwie auch zeitversetzt abspielen. aber sicher nur wenn die nicht ins video eingebrannt sind
[17:08] <ppq> ja, das können die meisten player, aber gut funktionieren tut das nicht
[17:09] <ppq> zb. nicht mit .srt
[17:09] <ppq> und da die eingebetteten in aller regel schon zum video passen...
[18:07] <rentier_> ppq, es geht natülich genau um eingebettete Untertitel, die NICHT zum Video passen. Darum frag ich.
[18:08] <ppq> rentier_, sachen gibts.. :) und k1ls lösung kommt nicht in frage?
[18:10] <rentier_> ppq, nein
[18:14] <ppq> rentier_, na, dann, wie gesagt: nimm nen untertiteleditor
[18:15] <ppq> https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Untertitel#Untertitel-erstellen-bearbeiten
[21:10] <TeXnicer> Moin!
[21:10] <TeXnicer> Skype ist doof. Ekiga geht?
[21:11] <ppq> ekiga geht.
[21:11] <TeXnicer> Das habe ich gerade gefunden....
[21:11] <ppq> schau auch mal im ubuntuusers wiki unter videotelefonie, da sind noch andere
[21:24] <TeXnicer> Hm, ... Voice/Video-overIP, Verschlüsselt.... Ekiga ist nicht verschlüsselt...
[21:24] <TeXnicer> Wobei „verschlüsselt“ relativ ist.
[22:21] <TeXnicer> bekks: *wave*
[22:21] <bekks> hi TeXnicer :)
[22:22] <TeXnicer> Sie hier? :D
[22:22] <bekks> Welch unerwarteter Gast ;)
[22:42] <TeXnicer> So, ich habe unter Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS Ekiga 4.0.1 runtergeladen (Softwaremanager) und installiert, ich habe ein SIP Konto bei ekiga eingerichtet und kann aber meine Bekannte nicht erreichen. (Die hat neu installiert unter KDE) - Fehlermeldung im Fenster: Sicherheitsüberprüfung fehlgeschlagen.... vermutlich muss ich iptables/routing/STUN?server? konfigurieren, aus dem wiki werde ich aber...
[22:42] <TeXnicer> ...nicht schlau.
[22:44] <TeXnicer> Bei meinem Konto (unter Konten) steht (grünes Symbol, ... Verarbeitung läuft...)
[22:44] <TeXnicer> Muss ich das Konto noch aktivieren?
[22:44] <TeXnicer> Ich habe den Einrichtungsassistenten so verstanden, dass er das Konto automatisch anlegt.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.180333
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Gunther_",
"LetoThe2nd",
"TeXnicer",
"bekks",
"benni",
"dadrc",
"doev",
"faraway",
"jokrebel",
"k1l",
"leszek",
"linuxperia",
"martin04112015",
"ppq",
"rentier_",
"slippedyslope",
"smeexs",
"stevieh",
"strohalm",
"tuor"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-de.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-de"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-bugs
|
[17:50] <Towkir> anyone free to help ??
[17:51] <teward> Towkir: ask your real question
[17:52] <Towkir> specially better if kubuntu user
[17:52] <Towkir> thanks teward
[17:52] <Towkir> I was trying to generate fingerprint on my kubuntu
[17:52] <Towkir> but gpg --fingerprint is not doing anything
[17:52] <teward> Towkir: general support in the given channel for the release - #kubuntu for Kubuntu for instance
[17:53] <teward> start there, since this is bug triage and bug questions primarily.
[17:53] <Towkir> thanks
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.186306
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Towkir",
"teward"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-bugs.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-bugs"
}
|
2015-11-04-#cloud-init
|
[14:58] <smoser> natorious, hey. i can promise you some time later today, but the meeting in 2 minutes i can't really attend.
[14:59] <natorious> smoser: k, sounds good.
[15:23] <natorious> did find a bug w/ ephemeral disks that are not formatted w/ a filesystem in 0.7.x. The mounts module seems to add an fstab entry thats invalid causing reboots to break in certain cases.
[15:24] <natorious> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1513109
[15:44] <smoser> natorious, clearly making reboot hang sucks
[15:44] <smoser> but if you declare a ephemeral disk, cloud-init assumes a filesystem on it.
[15:44] <smoser> but if mount fails, shoudl rpboably warn and not leave the fstab entry there.
[15:47] <natorious> right. From a provider standpoint, secure erase would surely be done. Our pub cloud ephemeral disks I believe come formatted ntfs too
[15:47] <natorious> it shouldn't be adding a raw block dev that isn't a partition to fstab thou
[15:48] <natorious> oh, I'll add some log data to that issue, one sec
[16:01] <flyinbut1s> Hello! Quick question... when I'm creating a new image... how do I tell cloud-init to run the init stuff on next boot?
[16:03] <natorious> flyinbut1s: if you build a new instance from that image, it should detect that its different and run everything as new
[16:04] <natorious> if your just testing things out, you can rm /var/lib/cloud and either reboot or run your init stages again
[16:04] <flyinbut1s> ahah, excellent. Wasn't clear if I had to toggle a flag somewhere or not.
[16:04] <flyinbut1s> thanks!
[16:04] <natorious> it tracks whats been ran via /var/lib/cloud/instances/{uuid}/data etc
[16:05] <natorious> so your datasource should be changing the instance info
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.189777
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"flyinbut1s",
"natorious",
"smoser"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23cloud-init.txt",
"channel": "#cloud-init"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-nz
|
[19:05] <olly> morning
[21:11] <mwhudson> morning
[21:15] <chilts> morning
[21:34] <thumper> morning
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.190428
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"chilts",
"mwhudson",
"olly",
"thumper"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-nz.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-nz"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-tn
|
[13:23] <elacheche> bill_gaag, hak hni :) bhim chkoun mét?!
[13:24] <bill_gaag> Lol
[13:24] <bill_gaag> Saber
[13:24] <bill_gaag> Sabet el app 3al andro
[13:24] <elacheche> sa7it :)
[13:24] <bill_gaag> Jit na3mel fi tala
[13:25] <elacheche> :)=
[13:25] <bill_gaag> Miselech maw ?
[13:25] <elacheche> mara7bi mara7bi, hak inhar ess3id illi ittol fih 3lina :) :D
[13:26] <bill_gaag> ;)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.193742
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"bill_gaag",
"elacheche"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-tn.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-tn"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-gnome
|
[14:33] <lindol> hi all
[21:06] <kozukumi> I have an issue with gdm not respawning in Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 (Gnome Shell 3.16) when auto login is enabled. All works fine if I do not have autologin enabled. Anyone seen this? I can't find any errors in the log files. It just doesn't respawn with some text on the screen, last line saying "A start job is running for Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit (47s / no limit)"
[21:47] <muelli> kozukumi: sounds strange. Mind you that logs are done via journalctl nowadays.
[21:50] <kozukumi> yeah journalctl says nothing
[21:51] <kozukumi> All I get is this http://i.imgur.com/BuUOpH3.jpg
[22:01] <muelli> kozukumi: that's not journalctl though ;-)
[22:01] <kozukumi> yeah indeed, that is a picture of the screen when it errors ;)
[22:03] <darkxst> that should timeout and continue after 2mins though
[22:38] <kozukumi> darkxst why is it happening though?
[22:45] <darkxst> kozukumi, idk, did gdm crash?
[22:46] <darkxst> get the logs from journalctl
[22:46] <kozukumi> what is the best way to get the logs related to the crash?
[22:46] <kozukumi> jorunalctl list thousands of lines
[22:47] <darkxst> pastebin
[22:47] <kozukumi> ok i will do it next time i logout and crash it ;)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.196480
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"darkxst",
"kozukumi",
"lindol",
"muelli"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-gnome.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-gnome"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-server
|
[00:04] <teward> is it usual for a postfix server that basically acts as a 'forwarder relay' (i.e. [email protected] is emailed, postfix forwards it to [email protected]) to get its messages flagged as 'spam' or 'Suspicious' by Google? (mail server is mailserver.yetanotherdomain.xyz, if it matters)
[02:08] <Logos01> Howdy, folks. I've a bit of a mixed environment here; I'm trying to set up centralized authentication using sssd/krb against my company's AD servers.
[02:08] <Logos01> My configuration works perfectly on rhel/centos but on the ubuntu 14.04 box I'm working on, I can't seem to successfully authenticate as any domain users.
[02:09] <Logos01> The accounts get created; I can su - ${domain_user} -c "kinit" all day long.
[02:09] <Logos01> But what I *can't* do is sudo -l w/ password enabled or ssh into the user account; those sorts of things. What am I missing?
[03:26] <maddawg2> logos do you have it set to allow AD users to login
[03:27] <maddawg2> i cant remember exactly where that is but there's a setting the allow them to login locally
[03:27] <maddawg2> let me see if my work machine is on
[03:27] <Logos01> maddawg2: I do have it set to allow AD users to login.
[03:28] <Logos01> maddawg2: It's the same configuration I'm using on CentOS/RHEL and it works perfectly there.
[03:28] <Logos01> Here, I cannot successfully perform any transactions which require the passwords from the domain users.
[03:28] <maddawg2> kinit [email protected]
[03:28] <Logos01> Works perfeclty.
[03:28] <maddawg2> hmmm
[03:28] <maddawg2> strange
[03:28] <Logos01> It's only when I do password transactions through PAM that it's failing.
[03:31] <Logos01> I've turned up sss_debuglevel to see if something stands out...
[03:31] <Logos01> I've noticed "[get_and_save_tgt] (0x0100): TGT validation is disabled." which seems suspicious
[03:35] <maddawg2> have you checed the DC logs?
[03:35] <maddawg2> to see if anything is erroring there
[03:35] <maddawg2> or if it'll log invalid attempts of sorts
[03:35] <Logos01> maddawg2: Oh, I know, but I don't have access to those.
[03:36] <maddawg2> oh
[03:36] <maddawg2> well those might be more helpful
[03:37] <Logos01> ... now this is interesting, considering I have caching disabled:
[03:37] <Logos01> [sss_krb5_check_ccache_princ] (0x0020): krb5_cc_get_principal failed.
[04:36] <Logos01> Reporting in with success: The problem was the sssd binary version.
[04:36] <Logos01> Ubuntu 14.04 ships with 1.11.x; el7 has 1.12.x
[04:37] <Logos01> Thankfully there is a PPA ( https://launchpad.net/~sssd/+archive/ubuntu/updates ) -- associated fairly decently with reputable sources.
[04:44] <Logos01> Correction: I can authenticate as one user. The user that joined the server to the domain.
[05:00] <Logos01> Huh. I managed to somehow only upgrade one part of the sssd suite.
[07:27] <jonah> hi can anyone please help. I've been tryiing to configure my server for a week or so and in the end got a bit fed up and ordered a static ip from my ISP. The server is working well and it was working before I got the static IP - but I wanted to add virtual hosts and use my own nameservers so I could have other domains resolve to it. Could any body please help me to put my new static IP in there correctly? I have webmin installed too
[07:28] <jonah> my router gives my server the ip 192.168.0.100
[07:28] <jonah> I have NOIP.com working so my main domain loads up a page from my server
[07:29] <jonah> but I can't get any other domains to work which is why I thought I'd best order a static IP
[07:45] <adun153> I dont have a lot of time, but MIGHT be able to give you some tips. What exactly do you need?
[07:45] <adun153> How to configure static IPs?
[07:45] <adun153> jonah
[07:46] <jonah> adun153: thanks - well i have the static ip but it's just getting my server to use it correclty and set up nameservers...
[07:47] <adun153> jonah: What type of router do you have?
[07:47] <jonah> adun153: i don't want to put the static in the wrong place and overwrite the current local network settings as my router gives my server it's local ip - but i want to use my isp static ip for the outside and for nameservers
[07:47] <jonah> adun153: i have an asus ac68u
[07:48] <jonah> adun153: but that is already working well and i can access my server on 198.168.0.100 and internet works etc
[07:48] <adun153> also, #networking might be able to help as well, as this is mostly a networking issue.
[07:48] <jonah> adun153: but if you look at my domain dns check http://intodns.com/hostingyorkshire.com
[07:48] <adun153> Ah, a home/office router.
[07:48] <jonah> adun153: it says my nameserves aren't set right - yeah office router
[07:49] <adun153> You need to configure your router's WAN interface to use the static IP.
[07:49] <jonah> adun153: even though it gets it ok dynamically at the moment?
[07:49] <adun153> Yes.
[07:49] <jonah> adun153: ok thanks
[07:50] <adun153> I'm assuming that the static IP and the current DHCP'ed IP are in the same network?
[07:50] <adun153> Should be
[07:50] <jonah> adun153: yes
[07:50] <adun153> So yep, what I said, you need to do that.
[07:51] <adun153> Of course, your nameserver(s) are behind the router, configure the router to port forward incoming port 53 TCP and UDP to your nameservers on your internal network.
[07:52] <jonah> adun153: ok so i'm in the router admin and can change it from automatic to static ip but then there are three boxes to fill in. ip address, subnet mask and default gateway!
[07:53] <adun153> You dont' need ns2.hostingyorkshire.com. as well, since you only have one IP address and nameserver anyway.
[07:53] <adun153> Just obtain the subnet mask and default gateway values from the DHCP'ed address.
[07:53] <jonah> adun153: i just added the second one due to my domain registrar requiring two nameservers
[07:53] <adun153> I see. No need to, then
[07:54] <jonah> adun153: is there a linux command to grab those subnet mask and default gateway values? and then I guess i just put the first option of IP address as my static one? or is that the router default gateway?
[07:55] <adun153> Yes, the IP address is the static address
[07:56] <adun153> you can't see the subnet mask and gateway from the router's web interface? That should be viewable
[07:57] <adun153> And no, there is no command you can run from your server/desktop/laptop to check, as the NATting is transparent to your computer
[07:57] <adun153> only the router can really "see" the outside network.
[07:59] <jonah> adun153: it won't let me set the default gateway... it says i can't use the IP - not sure how to find my default gateway...
[08:01] <adun153> jonah: Is there really no "screen" where you can see what IP address and network settings your router uses when it uses DHCP?
[08:02] <jonah> adun153: the front router screen gives me the default gateway as the same as my static ip but when i put that in on connection settings it says they can't be the same... are you sure i need to set this up manually as the router is grabbing the static ip etc ok, i just need it to work on the server?
[08:03] <adun153> The default gateway and the static IP CANNOT be the same address.
[08:03] <adun153> The default gateway is a router managed by your ISP.
[08:04] <adun153> The static IP should be your router's address. That address should be on the same network as the default gateway.
[08:05] <adun153> If when your router uses DHCP, and uses your "static IP address" as the default gateway, then clearly, your ISP gave you a wrong address to use for your static IP.
[08:26] <jonah> adun153: hi sorry i totally lost my internet and had to go back to automatic ip setting on the router!
[08:27] <adun153> jonah: I see
[08:27] <adun153> You should probably contact your ISP
[08:27] <adun153> Tell them that the Static IP they gave you is your network's gateway.
[08:29] <jonah> adun153: thanks will do
[09:22] <Danny2> Hey guys, question: I have a server and I have just added a new IP to it (was provided it from my host), it is binded to eth0:0, and I have a git server on my other IP, now the new ip goes to my git server for some reason, so I was wondering how would I go about setting making apache listen to that IP
[09:24] <Danny2> ^ the server I use runs Ubuntu 14.04
[09:28] <Danny2> ?
[09:30] <hateball> Danny2: you configure that in the settings for the website in question
[09:30] <Danny2> hateball: what do you mean?
[09:31] <hateball> Danny2: the virtualhost section
[09:31] <hateball> Danny2: see https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html
[09:31] <Danny2> but my git server is nginx, and I want to then have apache running my website?
[09:31] <hateball> you were the one talking about apache
[09:32] <Danny2> yeah I am, I have nginx running the git server on the main IP, and I want the apache server running on the new IP?
[09:33] <hateball> I am not sure if you are asking if you want to, or if you're asking how to
[09:33] <Danny2> I am asking how to
[09:37] <hateball> Yes, so you edit the config for your websites, under /etc/apache/, as per your liking
[09:37] <hateball> replace *:80 with your.ip.here:80 or whatever you like
[09:39] <Danny2> hateball: see this is not in my apache2.conf file? I can't find it at all
[09:39] <hateball> Danny2: No, the config for your website. Is this just a default install of apache?
[09:40] <Danny2> hateball: errr yeah it is? I just installed it and then I have a www folder to but stuff in?
[09:41] <Danny2> put stuff*
[09:41] <hateball> Danny2: Well the config for the website is in /etc/apache/sites-available/ or sites-enabled
[09:41] <hateball> most likely called 000-default or some such
[09:41] <Danny2> hateball: I have 2? 000-default.conf and default-ssl.conf
[09:41] <hateball> So... you edit that, and reload apache, and it should bind to the desired interface
[09:41] <hateball> Danny2: Yes, are you using SSL?
[09:42] <hateball> Then you will need to edit them both
[09:42] <Danny2> Maybe? I am not sure, it was a while ago I added apache2
[09:42] <Danny2> but I shall edit both
[09:42] <hateball> Well, you're unlikely to have setup SSL with a fair bit of crying so it would have left scars that you'd remember
[09:43] <hateball> Without, that is
[09:44] <Danny2> hateball: I just remember having to mess with it a lot, but I get this error: * Restarting web server apache2 (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down
[09:45] <hateball> Danny2: yes, most likely because nginx is already binding to *:80 as well
[09:45] <Danny2> Oh, so err, how do I do that?
[09:45] <hateball> Well you'd need to tell nginx to use a dedicated interface, and apache another
[09:46] <hateball> I don't remember nginx config offhand, I am afraid
[09:46] <Danny2> hateball: I.. err.. how do I do that?
[09:46] <Danny2> Oh hmm
[09:46] <Danny2> tbh when I installed git, it was a pain getting it to work...
[09:56] <Danny2> Okay so my next question, is anyone good with setting up virtual hosts using nginx?
[10:44] <Michael_p> hi
[12:30] <locodir-user> when I execute "service xinetd restart", there was no message
[12:30] <locodir-user> I want see message "OK" or "FAIL" something like that
[12:31] <locodir-user> How to resolve it ?
[12:35] <Dulcin> Hi, I'm wondering, if I run 'hostname -f' it returns 'localhost' instead of the FQDN
[12:35] <Dulcin> Where did I go wrong?
[12:48] <asac> any idea where i can find the package manifests for:
[12:48] <asac> * vanilla Ubuntu server as installed with D-I or other installers * Ubuntu images on the cloud (its not "Ubuntu Cloud" its just "Ubuntu
[12:48] <asac> Server") * LXD images * Ubuntu installed by MAAS
[12:48] <asac> ?
[12:49] <asac> smoser: ?
[12:50] <ogra_> asac, the first one is in the seeds branch
[12:51] <ogra_> asac, bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/
[12:52] <ogra_> no idea about the latter two though
[12:52] <asac> ogra_: do you highlight my nick :) ... or do you read all channels you join all the time? :)
[12:52] <asac> ogra_: the manifest is in the seeds branch? thought would guess the seed does not include all the implicit dependencies
[12:52] <ogra_> i skim over the channels with activity while waiting for tasks to finish (launchpad in this case) ;)
[12:53] <ogra_> asac, the seed is indeed the input and doesnt show all deps, for that you can use the cdimage manifest file
[12:53] <ogra_> or run germinate manually to generate a table with deps
[12:54] <asac> right. looking for the real exploded manifests
[12:54] <asac> so i can diff them :)
[12:55] <ogra_> asac, so beyond cdimage there is http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.xenial/
[12:55] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.xenial/server is the base
[12:56] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ has the image manifests
[12:57] <ogra_> the .manifest file has the actual rootfs contents for a basic server, the .list files show whats in the archive pool on the CD for additional tasks you can install
[13:01] <asac> ogra_: ack... so the manifest is exactly what you get when you dont select more tasks?
[13:11] <ogra_> asac, right
[13:20] <placeed> Hi all, I have a keystone problem in openstack on my ubuntu server. Someone can help me ?
[13:20] <placeed> Sometime, it stay blocked on /auth/tokens?
[13:20] <placeed> no result
[13:35] <smoser> ogra_, i'm pretty sure that manifest is not what you get "by default"
[13:35] <smoser> but ratherw what is on the cd.
[13:35] <smoser> asac, ^
[13:36] <ogra_> smoser, manifest is what the squashfs contains, the squashfs content becomes your rootfs during install
[13:36] <smoser> the cloud images have manifests next to them.
[13:36] <ogra_> if you dont select anything in tasksel that is all you get
[13:36] <ogra_> if you use tasksel to pick additional tasks the archive pool on the CD is used to install it
[13:36] <smoser> ogra_, thats clearly not 100% true
[13:36] <smoser> theres no 'linux-image' in that list
[13:37] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure it is
[13:37] <smoser> or grub
[13:37] <ogra_> no, thats d-i's job
[13:37] <smoser> well, thats what asac is after.
[13:37] <smoser> what gets installed
[13:37] <ogra_> bootloader and kernel are not part of the rootfs
[13:37] <ogra_> as i understand from the mail discussion he referred to above he is after plain rootfs content
[13:38] <smoser> i dont knwo.
[13:38] <smoser> i didnt see mailing list discussion.
[13:38] <ogra_> on snappy-devel
[13:39] <smoser> asac, for maas images, we dont have a manifest, but we could for sure provide one of what is in the -root.gz image.
[13:39] <smoser> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w5EeGNXKhSrnJJ5JvXD3axiv5sGLBhEC_v1KVyba3Rg/edit#
[13:40] <smoser> has information on what is different. maas images are cloud image + a hardware kernel installed.
[13:41] <smoser> but similar to the iso manifest if you actually do an install, other hpackages might be added (like lvm or things of that nature)
[13:42] <ogra_> yeah, that wont help with snappy :)
[13:43] <smoser> you have link ?
[13:43] <smoser> to the discussion?
[13:43] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-November/001193.html
[13:44] <ogra_> smoser, mark wants full unification between all images it seems
[13:44] <ogra_> so first we need to find all the differences in a default install :) thats what asac does atm i guess
[13:45] <smoser> ogra_, yeah. i've seen this before.
[13:46] <smoser> very much, differences amoungst them all (server iso install, "maas image", cloud image) all can be considered "hardware enablement".
[13:46] <smoser> the changes are few. i've had problems showing that clearly in the past.
[13:46] <ogra_> well, i'm not sure i want a server install to drive my drone
[13:47] <ogra_> what i'm 100% sure about is that i dont want 2minute long boots with 50sec cloud-init doing nothing on an embedded device
[14:07] <asac> smoser: ogra_: right. i am afer the list of things that end up being installed
[14:07] <asac> i guess
[14:07] <asac> well, also interesting to see the list of what is int he downloadable image
[14:08] <asac> because at best we would like to have ONE and only ONE
[14:08] <asac> across all headless/smallish variants
[14:09] <asac> smoser: you hasd problems showing the differences in the past?
[14:09] <ogra_> asac, yeah, that wont happen
[14:10] <ogra_> we can probably get down to a "most common denominator" that all of us use as base
[14:10] <asac> so what i think would be lovely is if we could consolidate everything to start off with a single unified image
[14:10] <asac> then idf there is need to add stuff for the various variants, that could be done in a clearllyh defined second step
[14:10] <ogra_> which tehoretically was always supposed to be "ubuntu-minimal"
[14:10] <smoser> asac, i've had problems describing differences.
[14:11] <smoser> running 'dpkg-query --show' and comparing output from amd64+uefi+lvm to amd64+mbr to arm64+uboot to lxd just is not useful.
[14:22] <urthmover> I have created 4 servers using 14.04. Each server has two nic's statically assigned (one nic for public and the other for private). 3 of the 4 can ping eachother and one cannot ping the other three. The other nic on each server is pingable to/from all 4 servers. Will someone take a moment to help me triage this. route -n on each server is identical. The static ip assignments on the problematic server looks accurate
[14:22] <urthmover> http://hastebin.com/usotarajob.hs
[14:25] <teward> urthmover: suggestion: stick to one channel, and have patience, don't crosspost.
[14:25] <urthmover> teward: do you think that my issue is better suited for server or vanilla ubuntu?
[14:25] <urthmover> teward: Do you think there is a udev issue? udev seems strange in 14.04
[14:26] <teward> why would you assume it's a udev issue? I don't see anything here that suggests udev is at fault. I believe that this is better suited for *this* channel
[14:26] <teward> since you're working with server installations and such
[14:26] <teward> have patience for someone who can help out to come along :)
[14:27] <urthmover> teward: I'm trying not to assume anything. In the past I had strange network issues when udev was involved...that's why I brought it up
[14:27] * urthmover kicking back
[14:27] <TJ-> urthmover: shame hastebin require google Javascript to show the content
[14:28] <urthmover> teward: do you think I provided enough information at this point?
[14:28] <teward> urthmover: I think you should first consider using our pastebin instead. paste.ubuntu.com
[14:28] <urthmover> TJ-: hmm which past service do you like to use? I'll gladly use something else
[14:28] <teward> and then have patience, TJ- might be able to help though
[14:28] * teward goes back to kicking nginx code
[14:30] <urthmover> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/LSwMAaxV
[14:31] <TJ-> urthmover: I dunno! I just get sick of a simple text paste requiring javascript to display anything, especially when there's also obvious activity tracking as a side-effect. http:/paste.ubuntu.com is well-behaved I think :)
[14:32] <TJ-> urthmover: The first thing I'd do is on the server you're pinging, run "tcpdump -ni eth1 icmp" and check if it receives the pings, and if it sends replies. Then I'd look at the firewall rules on both.
[14:35] <urthmover> TJ-: good suggestion...trying that now...in the meantime I've included an updated pastebin with another server that can ping istack2 http://pastebin.com/4JDzny6p
[14:36] <urthmover> I'm having trouble pinging 10.43.201.0/24 out of istack1. So I believe that I should be running "tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp" ?
[14:36] <TJ-> urthmover: are these servers all connected to the same switch/VLAN ?
[14:36] <urthmover> TJ-: yes
[14:36] <TJ-> urthmover: there is no such address as 10.43.201.0/24
[14:37] <urthmover> TJ-: that is true. I am pinging 10.43.201.12
[14:37] <TJ-> urthmover: can istack1 "ping -nc 5 4.4.4.4" ?
[14:38] <urthmover> I get no output using 'sudo tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp' on istack1
[14:38] <TJ-> urthmover: no, you'd run it on the *target* server, and set the '-i eth0' to be the LAN interface
[14:39] <TJ-> urthmover: and 4.4.4.4 is dud! use 8.8.8.8
[14:39] <urthmover> TJ-: ah ok...tcpdump is a capture tool...thanks for the suggestion...trying tcpdump on istack2 and then pinging from istack1 again
[14:40] <urthmover> TJ-: yeah I got nothing on 4.4.4.4 (I haven't tried that ip is quite a while :))
[14:40] <TJ-> urthmover: more importantly, can istack1 "ping -nc 5 8.8.8.8" ?
[14:40] <urthmover> istack1 CAN ping 8.8.8.8 so it's public nic is working....I'm also ssh'ing into it
[14:40] <urthmover> TJ-: trying the tcpdump
[14:40] <TJ-> urthmover: OK, so not got the ports mixed up :)
[14:41] <RoyK> 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 work well
[14:42] <TJ-> urthmover: if istack2 sees no packets: check istack1 with iptables. if sees ICMP but doesn't reply: check istack2 route/iptables. if istack2 replies check istack1 iptables
[14:43] <urthmover> TJ-: tcpdump on istack2 is not picking up any icmp packets arriving from istack1 when I ping it from istack1. istack2 DOES capture icmp when I ping istack2 from istack3 though...so I know tcpdump is working
[14:43] <urthmover> TJ-: ok I'll start tcpdump on istack1 and ping it from istack2
[14:43] <TJ-> urthmover: right, so iptables on istack1. And also check the NIC itself is active/alive
[14:44] <urthmover> istack1 shows no captured packets when I ping it from istack2
[14:45] <urthmover> TJ-: so packets do not appear to be arriving either way between istack1 and istack2
[14:45] <TJ-> urthmover: any firewall rules/policy set on istack1 ?
[14:45] <urthmover> TJ-: packets do arrive between istack2 and istack3 so this points to an issue solely on istack1 possibly
[14:46] <TJ-> urthmover: yes, I concur. istack1 is/has the problem.
[14:47] <urthmover> TJ-: when I disable ufw on istack1 , I am not capturing any incoming icmp packets from istack2
[14:47] <urthmover> TJ-: I just double checked that I AM on the same portgroup vlan as istack2
[14:48] <urthmover> TJ-: although I am not opposed to rebuilding istack1 from a default 14.04 install, I just did yesterday wanting to start with a fresh build today
[14:49] <TJ-> urthmover: ignore UFW! use "sudo iptables -nvL" and check the default table policies even if there are no specific rules
[14:51] <urthmover> TJ-: pm
[14:51] <urthmover> TJ-: trying sudo iptables -nvL
[14:51] <TJ-> urthmover: I have PMs disabled :)
[14:52] <urthmover> TJ-: heh ok...well I was hoping to send to login creds
[14:53] <teward> urthmover: Security 101: Don't give people you don't personally know or trust logon credentials
[14:53] <teward> ever
[14:53] <urthmover> teward: this is an isolated environment on a server network that I'm willing to burn down
[14:53] <urthmover> teward: usually I would agree but this is a special case
[14:54] <TJ-> urthmover: as istack2 wasn't seeing anything inbound, you'd have to assume any istack1 netfilters rule would be on the OUTPUT table
[14:54] <urthmover> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/KATMe7Am
[14:57] <TJ-> urthmover: nothing there; but the packet counters are indicating some traffic
[14:57] <urthmover> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/bEiQbcPU
[14:58] <urthmover> TJ-: wtf now I can ping istack1 from istack2
[14:58] <TJ-> which system were those 2 pastes from?
[14:58] <urthmover> TJ-: oddly only in one direction are packets flowing istack2 -> istack1
[14:59] <urthmover> TJ-: same system...first paste was with ufw disabled second paste was with ufw enabled
[15:00] <urthmover> TJ-: whoops I'm wrong. so sorry
[15:00] <urthmover> TJ-: I was pinging itself because I moved my panes around
[15:01] <urthmover> no ping either way istack1 <-> istack 2
[15:03] <TJ-> urthmover: I suspect the hardware
[15:03] <urthmover> TJ-: I have begun continuous pings from istack1 -> istack2 and tcpdump on each eserver pointing at eachother
[15:04] <TJ-> urthmover: can you port-mirror istack1 LAN port on the switch to another system and check if istack1 is sending anything?
[15:04] <urthmover> TJ-: ok I think you are right...but I wanted to exhaust everything possible. The strange part is that I have 2 otherdev servers using the exact same vlans, same os, similar static networks...
[15:05] <urthmover> TJ-: unfortunately I don't have any visibility on the switching layer. This is a partially hosted environment. All I get to do is specify the vlan that each nic uses :(
[15:07] <TJ-> urthmover: find out what the NIC chipset is; maybe use ethtool to check it isn't in a power-save state
[15:11] <urthmover> TJ-: I'm using the paravirtualized driver for all the servers called vmxnet3 when I compare ethtool between the istack2,3,4 and istack1 they are the same
[15:11] <TJ-> urthmover: OH! these are all VM guests?
[15:12] <urthmover> TJ-: yes....do you have any others thoughts about things I can check?
[15:12] <urthmover> TJ-: esx 5.5
[15:12] <TJ-> urthmover: For some reason I thought you said / indicated they were bare-metal. In which case check the hypervisor network config!
[15:13] <TJ-> urthmover: I bet the LAN interface hasn't been connected to the LAN/VLAN bridge
[15:13] <urthmover> TJ-: I have limited access to that ....it's a bastardized power user into vcenter. the hypervisor shows link up on that vlan.
[15:13] <urthmover> TJ-: I like your thinking with that....I have confirmed that it is link UP on that vlan
[15:13] <TJ-> urthmover: well there doesn't seem much else you can do without control of the 'physical' layer
[15:15] <teward> urthmover: diagnosing is going to be tricky if you don't have 'root' on the Vmware ESXi hypervisor - I'd check with the sysadmin that does have access to that to check the network stuff
[15:15] <urthmover> TJ-: holy sh*t......so I built another server istack5 and it CAN ping 10.43.201.11 but cannot ping 10.43.201.12,13,14 do you think there is some strange switching problems going on behind the scenes?
[15:17] <TJ-> ^^hardware a.k.a hypervisor
[15:18] <urthmover> TJ-: ok thank you I'll reach out to the network team in charge of that environment. Thanks for all your help
[15:19] <urthmover> network issues are so frusterating when you are blind
[15:20] <teward> TJ-: blah, i forgot hardware and hypervisor aren't equated to each other :)
[15:20] * teward beats his head against the dictionary of tech jargon
[15:23] <TJ-> urthmover: makes me think someone changed the port association. I wouldn't be surprised if you could ping istack1's LAN port from istack2's WAN port - with suitable changes to istack2's route table
[15:24] <urthmover> TJ-: trying that now
[15:25] <urthmover> TJ-: what would the route add statement look like? route add 10.43.201.0/24 eth0 ?
[15:26] <urthmover> TJ-: googling syntax don't bother yourself please
[15:27] <TJ-> urthmover: something like "ip route add 10.43.201.12/32 dev eth0" - use istack1's LAN IP and the correct (WAN) interface name,
[15:27] <sarnold> iproute2 packages finally have documentation these days, check out the ip-route manpage
[15:28] <urthmover> TJ-: I CAN ping 10.43.201.11 from istack2 when I added this route on istack 2 'ip route add 10.43.201.0/255.255.255.0 dev eth0'
[15:28] * urthmover shakes head
[15:29] <urthmover> TJ-: so do you mind explaining more what you think is going on here so that I can relay this more specifically to the network team?
[15:29] <TJ-> urthmover: OK, and .11 is istack1 is it?
[15:29] <urthmover> yes 10.43.201.11 = istack1
[15:29] <TJ-> urthmover: like I said earlier; the port is connected to the wrong bridge, it's on the WAN bridge, not the LAN
[15:29] <urthmover> TJ-: ok thank you I'll explain our findings to them
[15:30] <bmullan_> @sarnold - I've found this iproute2 cheat sheet really useful... http://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/
[15:30] <TJ-> you're now routing from the WAN side of istack2 to the LAN side of istack2
[15:30] <TJ-> you're now routing from the WAN side of istack2 to the LAN side of istack1
[15:30] <urthmover> TJ-: right
[15:30] <urthmover> out eth0 (public) on istack2 into eth1 (private) on istack1
[15:31] <TJ-> urthmover: which imples istack1 LAN and WAN are on the same bridge; I assume that new instance you spun up is likewise, which was why it could ping istack1
[15:31] <urthmover> TJ-: ok
[15:31] <TJ-> urthmover: "arp -n" on them all might make it a bit clearer
[15:32] <urthmover> TJ-: good suggestion I'll do that and include my findings
[15:33] <sarnold> bmullan_: looks great, thanks :)
[16:27] <wehde> has any here migrated m$ AD to openldap or apacheds?
[17:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: jjohansen: 'network ipv6' is a valid apparmor rule all the way back to trusty?
[17:05] <hallyn> (is there a table somewhere that shows what is valid where?)
[17:08] <sarnold> hallyn: "network inet6," -- and it does work in trusty
[17:08] <sarnold> hallyn: it should be the case that all AF_.... works with the AF_ stripped off and lower-cased
[17:12] <hallyn> sarnold: ok, thx.
[17:32] <urthmover> is there a way to clear the whole arp cache in one command?
[17:32] <urthmover> arp -d * ?
[17:56] <PryMar56> I have a vivid server (no X11). Any suggestions for a font list which is good enough to run kvm/qemu?
[17:56] <PryMar56> or geany editor?
[17:57] <PryMar56> I have only 1 freetype font now
[17:58] <sarnold> how do fonts figure into things?
[17:58] <sarnold> fwiw I quite like the terminus font
[18:06] <PryMar56> sarnold, I still forward X, so some fonts are needed.. I know it seems strange
[18:06] <sarnold> oh!
[18:06] <sarnold> and you forward .. the qemu display or omsething? rathre than ssh to that guest?
[18:06] <PryMar56> sarnold, yes
[18:14] <Lord255> hello.
[18:14] <Lord255> i have followed this tutorial: https://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-ubuntu-14.04-lts
[18:14] <PryMar56> I have ubuntu desktop to mine a font list from, or I would do that
[18:14] <PryMar56> ^^ no desktop
[18:14] <Lord255> but when i try to login to squirellmail i got an imap error and in the mail.log i can see that it says no such file or directory
[18:14] <Lord255> i saw many comments about this on the net but i dont know how to fix :\
[18:52] <kriskropd_> Does anyone here use rssh? I set up a user with -s /usr/bin/rssh and they are blocked from logging in to a shell,b tu when I try to sftp I receive exit code 1 and when I try to scp a single file from /tmp I receive the "This account is restricted by rssh." response
[18:52] <kriskropd_> s/b tu/but/
[19:14] <jonah> Hi in the end I just got fed up with trying to get the dynamic IP working with webmin/virtualmin on my Ubuntu Server 14.04.3 - so I've now managed to get a static IP from my ISP. I just wondered if anyone knows what I need to change in webmin/virtual min to get this working? My domain currently isn't resolving with the nameservers I've tried to create: http://intodns.com/hostingyorkshire.com
[19:15] <jonah> the domain did work with the dynamic IP before, but I was using NOIP.com nameservers and their dynamic dns service. Since trying to add my own nameservers myself I can't get it to work!
[19:16] <jonah> any help really appreciated. Thanks
[19:28] <kriskropd_> to my issue with rssh - never mind - it was easily remidied by modifying the rssh.conf
[19:32] <TJ-> jonah: it looks like the authoritative name servers for the domain aren't registered
[19:33] <jonah> TJ-: thanks TJ, I don't suppose you'd know how I get them setup or you could check my settings sound ok for me?
[19:34] <jonah> TJ-: i spoke to you last week I think and you helped me back then as my printer wasn't working on the server - at that point the domain was resolving on the dynamic IP but it seems there is always something wrong with my settings!!
[19:34] <TJ-> jonah: check with your domain registrar. your domain lists {ns1,ns2}.hostingyorkshire.com as the name servers, but those won't resolve because the registrar doesn't have their IP addresses configured.
[19:35] <jonah> TJ-: ah I see thank you I will ask them!
[19:36] <TJ-> jonah: when the same domain hosts its own authoritative nameservers, you/the registrar has to ensure the IP addresses of those hosts are independently entered in the TLD operators' DNS
[19:37] <TJ-> jonah: usually those are hosted on a different domain/server especially if you only have a single server instance for the domain
[19:39] <jonah> TJ-: thanks - is there a way I can update them or do you have to be a registrar to have access to that?
[19:39] <TJ-> jonah: most registrars have a facility in their domain management tools to do it
[19:43] <jonah> TJ-: thanks I can't find a tool in their control panel but I've submitted a support ticket so hopefully they'll get it sorted for me soon. really appreciate you helping me out. thanks
[19:53] <acro458> i have : grep -o -P '(?<=5490val">).*(?=<span)' output.txt This gives me: 100</span> NOW HOW TO GET RID OF </span>
[19:56] <TJ-> acro458: please stop spamming multiple channels with the same question. Stick to ##linux
[19:56] <sarnold> can you use a real html or sgml parser instead? parsing html with regex is a pain that's bound to lean to more pain.
[19:59] <acro458> can you recommend one?
[20:02] <sarnold> acro458: off this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTML_parsers i
[20:02] <sarnold> acro458: i've heard good things about beautiful soup, html::parser, and nokogiri
[20:03] <sarnold> acro458: libxml2 seems to get a lot of use for xml, but i don't hear about it doing html often. it might still be good..
[20:04] <kriskropd_> acro458: I don't personally know of any good xml parsers - nearly all of them ar epicky about headers and will ignore any html parsing you give it - if you only need to parse html in batch only one time and are comfortable with regex, I suggest using awk - it's still terrible to use regex to parse html in the long run, but for quick, one-time jobs that's what I would do - after that I choose to use
[20:04] <kriskropd_> python
[20:05] <TJ-> In Python https://docs.python.org/2/library/xml.dom.minidom.html
[20:54] <Semiarty> hello, so I am root on my server, but I get permission denied when trying to get into for example /etc/login.defs, what could I be doing wrong?
[20:55] <sarnold> what does it mean to "get into" a file?
[20:56] <Semiarty> well
[20:56] <Semiarty> I guess not into a file then
[20:56] <Semiarty> im trying to access that particular
[20:56] <Semiarty> "section"
[20:57] <Pici> Semiarty: how are you trying to access it?
[21:08] <jonah> TJ-: hi sorry to bother you but support replied and said I've got port 53 closed which is why my nameservers aren't working... I've tried to port forward it on my router but it still doesn't work. Do I have to do something else for bind to pick it up?
[21:09] <sarnold> be sure to forward both tcp and udp for port 53 if that's what you're doing
[21:09] <jonah> sarnold: yes forwarded them on my router as BOTH
[21:10] <jonah> sarnold: but I think I need BIND server to also listen on the port somehow?
[21:10] <sarnold> bind does need to listen to whatever ports you forwarded to
[21:10] <jonah> sarnold: trying to Google it but my named.conf file seems different due to using webmin, do you know how I can get it to listen to the port?
[21:11] <TJ-> jonah: are you trying to host the domain at home, behind a NATing router?
[21:11] <jonah> TJ-: yes that's right
[21:12] <jonah> TJ-: tech support at my registrar just said to get port 53 unblocked as when they try ping it they can see that port it blocked...
[21:12] <jonah> TJ-: now i've forwarded the port on my router but it still doesn't seem to be working
[21:13] <jonah> TJ-: but i think i also need ot do something with BIND...
[21:13] <jonah> I've just got to take the dog for a walk so hope to be back in a bit if you have any ideas. Thanks TJ! and Sarnold!
[21:13] <TJ-> jonah: Yes, you'll need a named with a zone file that is SOA for the domain
[21:14] <sarnold> yay happy dog walk time :)
[21:14] <jonah> TJ-: well I have a master zone file
[21:14] <sarnold> fwiw i'd be hesitant to host dns behind a NAT.. can you get a few cheap cloud instances somewhere?
[21:14] <jonah> haha love to walk the dog!
[21:14] <patdk-wk> what is *router*?
[21:15] <patdk-wk> is it one of these home things?
[21:15] <patdk-wk> a lot of those can't handle udp packets correctly
[21:15] <tarpman> don't most registrars provide a nameserver or two? i'm surprised at needing to host a nameserver at home...
[21:15] <patdk-wk> you did forward udp and tcp both right?
[21:15] <jonah> patdk-wk: well it is a decent one. AC68U asus
[21:16] <jonah> tarpman: it's just so I can pick up various domains with different providers and have them resolve back to my server on virtual hosts for different sites and cms stuff like owncloud etc
[21:16] <jonah> ok dog is barking so i'm off for now thanks
[21:47] <sarnold> teward: hey, we've been talking at our sprint about http2, we're not feeling like it's time to turn on http2 support just yet
[21:48] <sarnold> teward: I know you were looking forward to turning it on for your next upload, but we'd really like it kept off for xenial. we can always sru it back to xenial after a few more releases has knocked out the worst of its issues
[21:52] <jonah> ok back from the dog walk, was a good one!
[21:53] <jonah> TJ-: any ideas how I can get this master zone listening on port 53?
[21:54] <TJ-> jonah: just a regular bind config: configure zone files, test config, enable named service, start it
[21:55] <jonah> TJ-: haha is that all
[21:57] <jonah> TJ-: i have named.conf.default-zones named.conf.options and named.conf.local in my /etc/bind folder...
[21:58] <TJ-> jonah: have you started the service? is it currently running?
[21:59] <jonah> TJ-: when i do netstat -an | grep "LISTEN " i can see some port 53 stuff going on with LISTEN in red...
[22:00] <TJ-> jonah: "sudo netstat -ulnp | grep 53"
[22:00] <jonah> TJ-: 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN for example
[22:00] <jonah> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/iduwEbVS
[22:01] <TJ-> jonah: Haha! you've only got the daemon listening on localhost - it needs to listen on ALL interfaces to be accessible from the network
[22:01] <jonah> TJ-: oh dear
[22:02] <jonah> TJ-: how can i fix it?
[22:02] <sarnold> find the listen or bind or whatever line in the configs and tell it to listen to 0.0.0.0 or whatever spceific address it should listen on
[22:03] <TJ-> jonah: "sudo grep listen-on /etc/bind/*" might help
[22:04] <jonah> sarnold: well I have various named.conf files I can edit in bind on webmin but just not sure which one I should add to and what I'm adding!
[22:04] <sarnold> grep is your friend, it'll show the one that's currently configured :)
[22:05] <jonah> sarnold: http://pastebin.com/iduwEbVS
[22:06] <jonah> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/QGC49puf
[22:06] <TJ-> OH! it IS listening on the other interfaces, named individually
[22:06] <jonah> sarnold: sorry i meant the last paste i just sent TJ
[22:06] <sarnold> eww, how is named and dnsmasq both listening on 192.168.122.1:53?? something's gonna hate that :)
[22:06] <TJ-> how the heck are both dnsmasq and named on the same socket?
[22:07] <jonah> TJ-: but there is no mention of my static IP that my nameserver uses which is 87.81.172.179
[22:07] <jonah> sarnold: is that bad?
[22:07] <sarnold> jonah: yeah; it's very nearly catastrophic for a dns server :)
[22:07] <sarnold> dns servers probably shouldn't have dnsmasq anywhere nearby, nor avahi.
[22:08] <TJ-> jonah: I really don't think you're equipped with the knowledge or skills to run your own DNS/servers; you're headed for disaster, possible compromise, at this rate
[22:08] <sarnold> jonah: because you're port-forwarding, your NAT firewall will re-write the packets to actually be destined to whatever IP you configured in the forwarding..
[22:08] <jonah> TJ-: that's bad! just trying to learn and thought webmin would be good as I'm used to cpanel
[22:09] <sarnold> jonah: .. so you'd need to make sure that IP address is configured in bind
[22:09] <sarnold> jonah: you'd do yourself a favor to stop using webmin and cpanel and the like
[22:09] <TJ-> jonah: nothing to do with webmin; you are opening your PC up to public access and you don't have the knowledge to protect yourself right now
[22:10] <sarnold> jonah: after brute-forced ssh passwords, cpanel and webmin and the like are the most likely source of being hacked. those things tend to be terrible.
[22:11] <TJ-> Only if publicly exposed; which in this case it isn't (would need a port-forward rule)
[22:11] <jonah> TJ-: gotta go for now but will check back tomorrow if i can. thanks!
[22:11] <jonah> ok sorry guys just gotta go now. will be back!
[22:11] <jonah> thanks
[22:11] <TJ-> jonah: if you're running a local server with a web-server on, that's an expoit target
[22:40] <Logos01> Is there any chance that anyone here has set up ejabberd w/ PAM authentication? I've got a curious case -- my PAM auth fails for local accounts but *NOT* for accounts provided by SSSD.
[22:40] <TJ-> Logos01: what does auth.log report?
[22:42] * Logos01 is grabbing and anonymizing a relevant log snippet
[22:42] <TJ-> Are you seeing "check pass; user unknown"
[22:43] <Logos01> unix_chkpwd[XXXXX]: check pass; user unknown
[22:43] <Logos01> Yes.
[22:43] <TJ-> SNAP!
[22:43] <TJ-> OK, check /etc/passwd to ensure the user existings, and is in /etc/shadow too.
[22:44] <TJ-> Assuming the user IS there, check /etc/passwd to see if there is a duplicate entry using the same UID of that user
[22:44] <Logos01> It is definitely the correct user, there is definitely no duplicate entry.
[22:44] <Logos01> I even created a unique user specifically to rule that out.
[22:45] <TJ-> OK, well, we've had a few reports of this recently, and I was hit by it today too - could log-in the GUI but the screenlock-greeter would report Access Denied, and it led to that in auth.log
[22:46] <TJ-> In my case, it was a duplicate UID (I have 2 users with the same UID) and the /sbin/unix_chkpwd" tool was looking up the (first) username in /etc/passwd that matched the UID, THEN comparing that username with the one the greeter passed, and they didn't match
[22:47] <sarnold> interesting
[22:47] <TJ-> I solved it by moving the entries around :)
[22:47] <Logos01> http://fpaste.org/287032/44667717/
[22:47] <Logos01> Definitely no duplicate UIDs.
[22:47] <TJ-> The other reports seem to start after a recent libpam update
[22:47] <sarnold> time was you'd stick a 'toor' account in your passwd/shadow with a statically linked recovery shell...
[22:49] <TJ-> Logos01: 'logos' is UID 114? I'm wondering if that being < 1000 could be an issue; there's some strange stuff in the patches we're carrying to support this
[22:49] <Logos01> So yeah -- definitely in /etc/shadow. Definitely no duplicate entries. Definitely able to log in as the accounts (since I'm talking to you from one of them right now)
[22:49] <Logos01> TJ-: No, 'logos' is uid 1000
[22:49] <TJ-> Logos01: is ejabberd 114 then?
[22:49] <Logos01> uid 114 gid 122
[22:50] <TJ-> Ahhh, that makes more sense, although it doesn't help. Unfortunately there's no additional debug logging available for this
[22:50] <Logos01> Yeah...
[22:52] <TJ-> In my case it was:
[22:52] <TJ-> pam_unix(kde:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=:0 ruser= rhost= user=t
[22:52] <TJ-> j
[22:54] <TJ-> it's coming from that dratted "debian/patches-applied/extrausers.patch" again, too
[22:55] <TJ-> Logos01: this is the code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13107573/
[22:56] <TJ-> Logos01: this is better; the first one lost context http://paste.ubuntu.com/13107593/
[22:58] <Logos01> I suppose this isn't really a big deal since as long as I've got my AD users (via SSSD) I'm content.
[22:59] <TJ-> Logos01: which has called into: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13107637/
[22:59] <TJ-> that seems to suggest either the hash or salt are null on return from get_pwd_hash()
[23:00] <TJ-> sorry, *password* or salt
[23:00] <coreycb> beisner, jamespage: testing is complete for UCA kilo-proposed and should be ready to promote to kilo-updates tomorrow (just waiting on vivid-proposed to land in vivid-updates)
[23:33] <dannf> hallyn: is there an existing pattern for teach libvirt that qemu has a backported capability? here's what i'm trying http://paste.ubuntu.com/13107961/
[23:33] <dannf> that works, but wanted to follow existing convention if there is one
[23:37] <hallyn> dannf: urg, no. you've only backported one capability so we can' tjus tbump the version # right?
[23:37] <hallyn> that's fugly, but i think we have to do what you're doing
[23:38] <sarnold> dannf: "Package" vs "package" ?
[23:46] <dannf> sarnold: oh - yeah, i fixed that - hadn't hit quilt refresh yet
[23:47] <dannf> hallyn: yeah - and it might be the only new cap so far - but 2.4.50 is dynamic, and that could change
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.202801
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Danny2",
"Dulcin",
"Logos01",
"Lord255",
"Michael_p",
"Pici",
"PryMar56",
"RoyK",
"Semiarty",
"TJ-",
"acro458",
"adun153",
"asac",
"bmullan_",
"coreycb",
"dannf",
"hallyn",
"hateball",
"jonah",
"kriskropd_",
"locodir-user",
"maddawg2",
"ogra_",
"patdk-wk",
"placeed",
"sarnold",
"smoser",
"tarpman",
"teward",
"urthmover",
"wehde"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-server.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-server"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-ci-eng
|
[01:22] <rvr> ToyKeeper: dobey: Ok, I just saw something very strange trying to verify the fix. I cancelled, but... the app was installed!
[06:06] <Mirv> renatu: the silo 024 qtpim avatar import fix has a comment from QA in trello
[06:11] <Mirv> 014 OTA-8 bugfix made 026 dirty, forcing ubuntu-push rebuild - the commits itself in 026 stay the same obviously
[06:40] <Mirv> another to get the updated trunk for real
[09:14] <abeato> Mirv, hey, robru uploaded yesterday the qtmultimedia-opensource-src package to silo 9, but I think we also need to upload the derived package qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles
[09:25] <Mirv> abeato: ok, I can handle it. I also remind you that I really hope no API migration mess will come out of this, ie those changes have not been submitted to upstream or accepted by them. but Jim has told me he does not expect trouble this time.
[09:26] <abeato> Mirv, noted, thanks
[09:57] <rvr> Mirv: ping
[10:08] <Mirv> rvr: pong
[10:08] <rvr> Mirv: Hey
[10:09] <rvr> Mirv: I left a comment on the card for silo 24
[10:09] <rvr> Mirv: The photo is correctly imported from Google, but not correctly exported (or at least, Google doesn't read the photo).
[10:11] <Mirv> rvr: right, I pinged renatu already about that, but he's in another timezone. I'm just providing the packaging, renatu is the lander here so I can't comment on the export case.
[10:12] <rvr> Ahh, I see
[10:46] <cjwatson> snakefruit (various archive cron jobs, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/, etc.) going down soon for a RAM upgrade
[11:08] <Mirv> hmm, are xenial images unbootable on mako currently?
[11:09] <Mirv> mine is just stuck in Google screen, even after doing a bootstrap flash
[11:24] <Mirv> ok wipe + bootstrap did the trick
[11:30] <cjwatson> snakefruit back
[11:38] <Mirv> ah, nope, that was vivid accidentally, xenial still shows just Google screen so I guess it's dead at the moment
[11:38] <renatu> rvr, hey what is the problem with the avatar export?
[11:39] <rvr> renatu: I exported the vcard and imported it back to Google, and the contact didn't show the photo
[11:40] <renatu> rvr, did you try import it on android?
[11:40] <rvr> renatu: So I don't know whether it is a problem of Google or what
[11:40] <rvr> renatu: I don't have any android around, just using the web
[11:40] <renatu> rvr, works nice on android
[11:40] <renatu> I never tried import on gmail
[11:41] <renatu> rvr, we have this bug for iphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1510259
[11:41] <renatu> rvr, the fix is on silo 2
[11:41] <rvr> renatu: I see
[11:41] <rvr> The contact is shared
[11:42] <rvr> It's just that Google doesn't like the photo field
[11:44] <renatu> rvr, the field looks correct to me, and works nice on android and iphone. Maybe we need something special for google
[11:45] <rvr> renatu: Ok
[11:45] <rvr> renatu: Mirv: I am approving the silo, just wanted to have some feedback about this
[11:47] <renatu> rvr, I will report a new bug about that
[11:47] <renatu> rvr, but this is not related with the silo changes
[11:51] <Mirv> rvr: renatu: thanks!
[11:51] * Mirv publishing
[14:09] <renatu> alesage_, crash fixed on silo 2. You can continue the tests.
[14:19] <dobey> popey: hi. can you approve the com.canonical.payui 15.01.135 sitting in the store review queue please?
[14:24] <popey> dobey, will do
[14:25] <dobey> popey: thanks
[14:26] <popey> dobey, done
[14:26] <popey> np
[14:27] <mardy_> Mirv: good session! And now it's time to feed the cat! :-)
[14:29] <Mirv> mardy: thanks! and yeah :)
[14:39] <dobey> rvr: hi
[14:39] <rvr> dobey: Hi
[14:41] <dobey> rvr: so, the issue you found seems to not be new. i am able to recreate your issue with the old pay-service too. can you file a bug about it, so we can figure out how best to deal with this case, and we can move forward with the current landing?
[14:44] <rvr> dobey: Sure
[14:45] <dobey> rvr: thanks
[14:47] <rvr> dobey: Assign it to the correct project, if wrong https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1513093
[14:48] <dobey> pay-ui is probably where we'll need to fix it
[15:01] <dobey> rvr: do we need to wait for ToyKeeper? looks like she went through the test plan just fine from the comments
[15:05] <rvr> dobey: Let's wait for her approval, as she's the one that did most of the testing.
[15:08] <dobey> ok
[15:40] <Mirv> sil2100: hey Texas! any idea what's up with xenial images? I can't get past Google logo (have tried --bootstrap --wipe), but the phone is not bricked since I can (continue) to use vivid
[15:40] <pmcgowan> Mirv, xenial images totally busted, foundations looking at it
[15:42] <sil2100> Mirv: hey! Yeah, as pmcgowan mentioned, they be b0rken
[15:42] <sil2100> It's a known feature of our xenial images
[15:44] <Mirv> pmcgowan: sil2100: thanks! I'd have demoed xenial phone Qt 5.5.1 in my session but had to do with demoing xenial KDE on Qt 5.5.1 :)
[15:46] <robru> cihelp: s-jenkins builders are really broken. I had to disable a few of them
[15:49] <fginther> robru, thanks. Looking into the problem now
[15:49] <psivaa> robru: i assume you're talking about prodstack-worker-5 and the rest?
[15:49] <robru> psivaa: yeah
[15:49] <robru> fginther: thanks
[15:49] <robru> psivaa: I've had problems with 2, 5, 6, and 7.
[15:50] <dobey> i wonder when toykeeper will be around today
[15:50] <robru> fginther: psivaa: "problems" as in random java tracebacks unrelated to my actual branches
[15:50] <psivaa> robru: ack, thanks.
[16:13] <robru> psivaa: fginther oh god there's only 2 nodes available and the queue is out of control
[16:14] <fginther> robru, yes :-) it's not good
[16:34] <fginther> robru, more nodes are coming back now. Not sure what happened, but they are much happier after a reboot
[16:34] <robru> fginther: yaaay
[16:34] <robru> thanks
[16:51] <rvr> oSoMoN: Approving silo 39
[16:51] <oSoMoN> rvr, thanks!
[18:00] <dobey> so many queuebot notices
[18:07] <dobey> robru: btw, force merge didn't work. it fails without an MP or sync source
[18:07] <robru> k
[18:10] <dobey> ToyKeeper: please ping me when you're around.
[21:13] <ToyKeeper> dobey: Hi, didn't see your message until now.
[21:14] <ToyKeeper> dobey: I have early onset cold symptoms and crashed last night before finishing. Looks like the silo is unblocked now, at least.
[21:16] <dobey> ToyKeeper: yeah, rvr wanted to wait for your approval before moving the landing ahead any further though. hope you're feeling better after resting
[21:16] <ToyKeeper> So far, yes. :)
[21:17] <ToyKeeper> I doubt there will be any more issues with the landing. It was just rvr's bug holding things back, and non-overlapping time zones.
[21:18] <dobey> yeah. there was a rebuild of ubuntu-push required though. i guess that needs retested?
[22:49] <alecu> hi trainguards: I see that silo 046 shows as "QA Granted". Do we need to do anything else to land it?
[22:49] * alecu has not completed any landings with the new dashboard yet...
[22:49] <sil2100> alecu: hey! No, we need a core-dev to take care of those
[22:49] <alecu> great
[22:50] <sil2100> cyphermox: would you have a moment to look through the publishable box on the train? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/publishable
[22:53] <robru> alecu: generally speaking the answer is yes, once you see 'QA Granted' it is your responsibility to click the publish button. if your silo doesn't contain any packaging changes then you will be able to publish it yourself
[22:53] <cyphermox> sil2100: compiz, nux, unity for the silo 11 are missing diffs... I'm not comfortable publishing things that mention unity with no diff.
[22:54] <robru> balls
[22:54] <robru> cyphermox: I'll try to regenerate diffs and see what happens...
[22:59] <cyphermox> silo 16 introduces a "sync with main" changelog entry, UNRELEASED, in between other entries for stuff already released, this looks very very wrong -- that was ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles
[22:59] <robru> cyphermox: sil2100: the build job in silo 11 suggests that those diffs are empty because the version in the silo is the same as the version in distro
[22:59] <cyphermox> so, why?
[23:01] <robru> cyphermox: it appears as though silo 11 was published already, just 4 hours ago, but only bamf was rebuilt since then
[23:01] <cyphermox> well, i'm not going to sign off on that
[23:01] <robru> cyphermox: so the ones that have empty diffs are really empty diffs, can be safely ignored (publish job won't republish redundant versions)
[23:01] <robru> cyphermox: bamf has a diff tho
[23:02] <robru> cyphermox: sorry, bamf and indicator-appmenu
[23:02] <robru> Trevinho: perhaps you could explain the situation in silo 11. it was published, then you rebuilt bamf and indicator-appmenu, now you want to publish again?
[23:03] <robru> cyphermox: this was published by Laney
[23:03] <Trevinho> robru: indicator-appmenu was not correclty rebuilt against new bamf, and so it was missing the wrong dependency
[23:03] <Trevinho> robru: so Laney told me to do this....
[23:04] <Trevinho> robru: indicator-appmenu and bamf published have to be updated with these new ones
[23:04] <robru> Trevinho: ok well it looks ok to me train-wise. I was worried the empty diffs were some kind of bug but it all looks legit. I'm not sure why cyphermox won't sign off
[23:05] <cyphermox> silo 46 adds tests and does cleanup that doesn't appear in the changelog?!
[23:07] <cyphermox> -Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-music/trunk
[23:07] <cyphermox> +Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-music/saucy
[23:07] <cyphermox> ^ wat?
[23:08] <cyphermox> oh, this one is amazing, it lists a ton of changes in changelog but I can't match them to stuff in the changes: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-1-build/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/unity-lens-music_content.diff
[23:09] <cyphermox> maybe all the changes in the other silos and uploads got merged there? :D
[23:14] <cyphermox> I think that's all of the "publishable" things, right?
[23:14] <sil2100> Crazy stuff
[23:14] <cyphermox> yup.
[23:14] <cyphermox> it was entertaining
[23:15] <cyphermox> I'm starting to think we'd benefit from core-dev review for some of these by people who have a better idea what the code does at all too thought
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.211217
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Mirv",
"ToyKeeper",
"Trevinho",
"abeato",
"alecu",
"cjwatson",
"cyphermox",
"dobey",
"fginther",
"mardy_",
"oSoMoN",
"pmcgowan",
"popey",
"psivaa",
"renatu",
"robru",
"rvr",
"sil2100"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-ci-eng.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ci-eng"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-si
|
[05:32] <jabuk> M 1.6 > 10.km JZ od OBREŽJA @04/11/2015 06:21:54 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.81+N,+15.59+E
[05:36] <zdobbie> could you stop
[05:38] <jabuk> M 2.2 > 8.km JZ od BREŽIC @04/11/2015 06:22:59 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.86+N,+15.52+E
[06:05] <upd_> brrr mraz
[06:36] <jabuk> M 1.2 > 6.km JZ od BREŽIC @04/11/2015 07:21:16 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.86+N,+15.56+E
[06:37] <napsy__> jutro
[06:56] <zdobersek> .vreme Celje
[06:56] <jabuk> ARSO: Celje (244m): 0°C @04.11.2015 6:00 UTC.
[06:56] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 96% vzhodnik 0.7 m/s (2.5 km/h) jasno
[06:56] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 05:44:47, Kulminacija: 10:43:46, Sončni zahod: 15:42:44
[06:56] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 9ur 57min 57s, Luna je v ščipu
[07:20] <pitastrudl> jutro
[10:11] <Matthai> http://www.zakonodajni-monitor.si/
[10:11] <Pepelka> Zakonodajni monitor
[10:11] <Pepelka> »Portal za nadzor in raziskovanje vladanja v Sloveniji«
[10:28] <zdobersek> Oracle je lobiru na FURSu za davcne blagajne
[10:29] <napsy> jansa, 37% prisotnost
[10:30] <napsy> y, y ga ne odpustijo
[10:32] <zdobersek> a to so stel zapor zraven?
[10:36] <zdobersek> kaj se je pa tu naredl http://www.zakonodajni-monitor.si/poslanci/GU%C4%8CEK%20ZAKO%C5%A0EK%20MARGARETA
[10:36] <Pepelka> GUČEK ZAKOŠEK MARGARETA | Zakonodajni monitor
[10:36] <Pepelka> »Portal za nadzor in raziskovanje vladanja v Sloveniji«
[10:52] <Matthai> zdobersek, kaj je tukaj?
[10:55] <zdobersek> moja predstavnica je sla awol
[10:56] <Matthai> aha, zato nima nobene izjave v parlamentu?
[10:58] <zdobersek> umm, kolk azurni so podatki?
[10:59] <zdobersek> Han ma podatke o glasovanju ze iz oktobra
[10:59] <zdobersek> Gucek Zakosek sam do junija
[11:03] <Matthai> mislim, da je včeraj ali predvčerajšnjim nazadnje zajel podatke
[11:23] <yang> ful je toplo na soncu
[11:24] <yang> zunaj sedim
[11:24] <yang> .vreme lj
[11:24] <jabuk> ARSO: Ljubljana (299m): 14.6°C @04.11.2015 11:00 UTC.
[11:24] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 46% vzhodnik 2.4 m/s (8.6 km/h)
[11:24] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 05:47:23, Kulminacija: 10:46:46, Sončni zahod: 15:46:08
[11:24] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 9ur 58min 45s, Luna je v ščipu
[11:24] <idioterna> ja pa btc je 460 Č=
[11:24] <idioterna> :)
[11:25] <yang> kok je doge
[11:25] <idioterna> ne vem
[11:25] <idioterna> $ 0.000162
[11:26] <lynxlynxlynx> Matthai: problem je, da je vse skupaj malo farsično
[11:26] <zdobbie> one can hope!
[11:26] <Matthai> glede česa misliš?
[11:26] <lynxlynxlynx> sicer je super, da smo nvo izvzete iz lobističnega sistema (tudi za zaposlene v ju), samo to pomeni tudi, da je precej zlahka skrivat take stike + vpisov v register lobistov je malo
[11:27] <yang> komaj 33 satoshija slabo
[11:28] <Matthai> lynxlynxlynx, ja, to je slabost zakonodaje... mi tukaj predvsem poudarjamo, da so tisti, ki prijavljajo te stike lahko za vzgled, problem je tisto, česar se ne vidi
[11:28] <lynxlynxlynx> ja, samo pravim, da daje lažen vtis transparentnosti
[11:29] <Matthai> res je
[11:29] <Matthai> samo tukaj bo treba na KPK pritisnit
[11:29] <Matthai> pa na spremembe zakonodaje
[11:29] <Matthai> pa vključit še druge baze
[11:31] <lynxlynxlynx> sam ne vem kako to pametno uredit
[11:31] <lynxlynxlynx> ker če gremo nvo spet na spisek obveznih, majo tud na ju ful dela
[11:31] <lynxlynxlynx> ok, mal dodatne tehnologije bi jim lahko pomagal, ampak je trenutno ni
[11:31] <lynxlynxlynx> sami sebi so prepuščeni, da gledajo, a jim je pisal/klical kak s seznama
[11:32] <Matthai> še huje je
[11:32] <Matthai> sploh ne poznajo zakonodaje o lobiranju na KPK
[11:32] <dz0ny> Matthai: a državni svet je tud vštet tle :D
[11:32] <Matthai> pripravljam prispevek na to temo
[11:32] <Matthai> kjer jih bom nabil do onemoglosti
[11:32] <Matthai> imam par v nebo vpijočih primerov
[11:32] <dz0ny> k jaz sem polno zgodb na to temo slišal, kako se nekaj uredil tam :D
[11:33] <zdobbie> .gif dis gon b good
[11:33] <jabuk> http://media.giphy.com/media/13XFmJhNtbTSgM/giphy.gif
[11:35] <lynxlynxlynx> dz0ny: državni svet je praktično brez moči
[11:35] <lynxlynxlynx> vmes so ga skoraj ukinili
[12:33] <yang> Ravnokar sem dobil informacijo, da pri Tus/telemach mobilnem paketu Free 20, so neomejeni klici, internet pa je neomejen do 5GB polna hitrost, potem pa pade na 128kbps...cena je pa 15 EUR, morda bo koga zanimalo, predvsem glede interneta
[12:53] <napsy> yang: to so kake interne informacije?
[13:19] <skyx> pa sej neke omejitve so povsot
[13:19] <skyx> unlimit ni nic :)
[13:20] <napsy> ulimit -a
[13:20] <CrazyLemon> xDSL pa optika sta unlimited :p
[13:20] <napsy> js mam vecina stvari unlimited
[13:25] <yang> napsy: to so javne informacije z njihove podpore
[13:25] <napsy> sam, a ne namerava telekom neki zvisat cene storitev konc leta?
[13:26] <yang> nevem kako je pri telekomu to je pri telemahu
[13:26] <napsy> aja telemach, nevem zaka sm vidu telekom
[13:26] <napsy> to pa ne vem
[13:27] <yang> paket je zdaj bistveno boljsi kot je bil prej pri tusmobilu, ko je bilo samo 400 minut pa 2 GB je bil limit za internet za polno hitrost
[13:28] <napsy> js mam en podoben paket pr simobil
[13:28] <napsy> sam mam za 27 evrov I think
[13:28] <yang> tud neomejeni internet ?
[13:28] <napsy> 5gb internet
[13:29] <yang> ka jpa ce prekoracis 5 GB placujes po porabi ?
[13:29] <napsy> ah
[13:29] <napsy> 128kbps ne koristi kj dost
[13:29] <yang> ja koristi ne, samo nevem tiste cende mobilnega interneta lahko gred v nebo
[13:29] <napsy> pa ja, mislim da sm enkrat prekoracu
[13:29] <napsy> pa se je za 3eu poznal
[13:30] <yang> sploh ta roaming za internet v tujini te ubije pri cenah
[13:30] <napsy> drugc pa je 5 giga men sicer dovol + da sm se par torrentov sklinu z mobilca
[13:30] <napsy> yang: niti ne, 3 evre na dan za neomejen internet
[13:30] <napsy> ma simobil
[13:30] <yang> znotraj EU drzav ?
[13:30] <napsy> j
[13:30] <napsy> ja
[13:30] <yang> to je v redu
[13:31] <napsy> posljes sms da ti vklucijo to, pol pa izklucis ko prides home
[13:35] <skyx> a je kdo ze poskusil ozklopiti moneto? :)
[13:35] <skyx> kaj vse jim moras poslat
[13:35] <skyx> scan sim kartice, osebne pa se neki je bilo mislim da
[13:39] <slax0r> jutro
[13:59] <dz0ny> https://rainveiltech.com/posts/prototype-a-gui-friendly-snappy
[13:59] <dz0ny> dan
[14:11] <CrazyLemon> a gui friendly snappy without screenshots
[14:11] <CrazyLemon> wth
[14:14] <slax0r> who needs gui anyway
[14:20] <CrazyLemon> \o/
[15:01] <zdobbie> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3rhrzq/the_early_adopter_feeling/
[15:01] <Pepelka> The early adopter feeling : Bitcoin
[15:01] <Pepelka> »100 points and 7 comments so far on reddit«
[15:03] <upd> http://i.imgur.com/ks6eB1l.jpg i found earth o/
[15:03] <CrazyLemon> i found uranus :(
[15:08] <zdobbie> act as proud as you really are
[15:08] <zdobbie> no ':('
[15:11] <CrazyLemon> \o/
[15:18] <zdobbie> DO YOU KNOW THIS MAN https://i.imgur.com/IO6029b.png
[15:25] <CrazyLemon> YES I DO..ITS GREEK PRIME MINISTER..linyos
[15:26] <idioterna> a niste vidl
[15:26] <idioterna> da sta se redhat pa microsoft neki zmenila clo
[15:26] <pitastrudl> za what
[15:26] <zdobersek> in the butt?
[15:27] <idioterna> to ja
[15:27] <zdobersek> whose butt?
[15:32] <pitastrudl> ur butt
[15:34] <idioterna> coin
[15:34] <idioterna> 14:40< coinmaster> [Stamp] BTC 501.960 USD (+1.970 USD)
[15:36] <zdobbie> comme ca! http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/11/04/156219/red-hat-and-microsoft-partner-on-azure?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
[15:36] <Pepelka> Red Hat and Microsoft Partner On Azure - Slashdot
[15:36] <Pepelka> »An anonymous reader writes: Satya Nadella has made some interesting reforms to Microsoft. Today, Red Hat and Microsoft announced that they will partner to deliver Red Hat's product suite in Azure. Red Hat will also support .NET core in RHEL. Additionally, Red Hat's CloudForms product will now work w...«
[15:46] <upd> idioterna, a si že prodal btc
[15:48] <idioterna> ne
[15:48] <idioterna> bom k bo over 9000
[15:52] <zdobbie> such dragon ballz on this fella
[15:59] <yang> A mi kdo lahk onajde kako referenco za tale bug http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151104/duusg2lv.png
[15:59] <yang> oz bug report iscem
[16:00] <upd> idioterna, ql
[16:01] <upd> yang, to so sam naslovi, probaj še kak debug al pa verbose mode vklopit
[16:02] <dz0ny> yang: namesti whoopsie
[16:02] <Pepelka> [OMG! Ubuntu!] Sam Tran: The Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04 LTS http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/creMwRHYykI/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[16:03] <dz0ny> pa tle bos najdu kaj uproabnega https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[16:03] <Pepelka> Error reports
[16:04] <yang> dz0ny: masina je debian, tam ni takega paketa
[16:05] <CrazyLemon> bye bye USC! you were never good anyway!
[17:07] <zdobbie> SaltyLemon
[17:10] <CrazyLemon> wat now
[17:11] <pitastrudl> rekt
[17:11] <zdobersek> USC whiner
[17:23] <zdobersek> ping
[17:24] <zdobbie> ping
[17:24] <zdobbie> kod je sel pizdek
[17:26] <pitastrudl> ping
[17:26] <pitastrudl> zdobbie po gobe
[17:41] <zdobbie> ne rastejo
[17:45] <pitastrudl> ja pa rastejo
[17:52] <zdobbie> ti rastes
[18:10] <msev-> zakaj je folk tok whineov čez software center od ubunta
[18:11] <msev-> in zakaj nj bi bil ta od gnomea zj tok bolši, a zato kje bl clean
[18:11] <msev-> a niso mogl sam user interface spremenit na tastarmu
[18:29] <zdobersek> rage on!
[18:31] <CrazyLemon> UI ne pomaga če je vse skupaj crap :)
[18:58] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88L85pyJm-I
[18:58] <Pepelka> Love @ Last: A Girl Meets Twitter Love Story (ft. Emily Kinney) - YouTube
[18:58] <Pepelka> »It's not delivery... It's love. SUBSCRIBE to Above Average Network: http://bit.ly/LlHUTM LATEST from Above Average Playlist: http://bit.ly/1BVdMFs Cast & Cre...«
[18:58] <CrazyLemon> lmao
[19:12] <zdobersek> ktera azurnost
[19:12] <zdobersek> ze majo srcke namest zvezdic
[19:25] <yang> Mnogo para http://imgur.com/i1C42D3
[19:25] <Pepelka> Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[19:25] <Pepelka> »Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet.«
[19:26] <yang> zgleda, kot da bi si rit brisal z petstotaki
[19:43] <matjaz> uporablja kdo Kingstonov V300 SSD?
[19:43] <matjaz> cena za 480GB me mika
[19:47] <pitastrudl> to tudi kolega zanima
[20:01] <CrazyLemon> če se ne motim je v300 kr dobro ocenjen
[20:03] <Sky[x]> samsung :>
[20:05] <netkat> vsaj v kernelu zgleda da ni nic blacklistan https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4095
[20:05] <Pepelka> linux/libata-core.c at master · torvalds/linux · GitHub
[20:05] <Pepelka> »linux - Linux kernel source tree«
[20:05] <netkat> tko k samsung:)
[20:06] <Sky[x]> grem prob pogledat kva mam
[20:07] <Sky[x]> Samsung SSD 840 Series
[20:07] <netkat> moj ne trima
[20:08] <Sky[x]> tud jst sem zdj vidu da nima support za TRIM wtf :>
[20:08] <netkat> sam pa dela:)
[20:08] <netkat> zaenkrat
[22:02] <netkat> https://odzhan.wordpress.com/
[22:02] <Pepelka> Odzhan
[22:02] <Pepelka> »(by Odzhan)«
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.230264
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"CrazyLemon",
"Matthai",
"Pepelka",
"Sky[x]",
"dz0ny",
"idioterna",
"jabuk",
"lynxlynxlynx",
"matjaz",
"msev-",
"napsy",
"napsy__",
"netkat",
"pitastrudl",
"skyx",
"slax0r",
"upd",
"upd_",
"yang",
"zdobbie",
"zdobersek"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-si.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-si"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-overflow
|
[14:58] <jgrimm> https://hangouts.google.com/call/bepmvssbpzgfwapb3ltq6ccelma
[14:59] <jgrimm> if needing to participate in the hangout
[14:59] <Skuggen> Hi, all :)
[15:02] <jamespage|uos> o/
[15:02] <jamespage|uos> oh great - no audio
[15:04] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:06] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:06] <otto> hello
[15:06] <jamespage|uos> hey folks
[15:06] <otto> please repost pad url so I can see it
[15:06] <jamespage|uos> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:13] <otto> https://github.com/mysql/mysql-server/commits/5.7 last commit 26 days ago, is current git head same as what was released at mysql.com?
[15:27] <ryeng> otto: sound's much better now
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.233828
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Skuggen",
"jamespage|uos",
"jgrimm",
"otto",
"rbasak",
"ryeng"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-overflow.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-overflow"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-core
|
[14:49] <dholbach> slangasek, do you know who's running the node.js/libv8 session?
[14:55] <dholbach> slangasek, ping?
[14:55] <dholbach> alecu, do you maybe know who's running the next session?
[14:58] <alecu> dholbach: it says "Created by: Matthias Klose"
[14:58] <dholbach> ok... but he's not online
[14:58] <dholbach> slangasek, ^
[14:59] <dholbach> I can set the session up
[14:59] <dholbach> but I'm not sure what to say.................
[15:00] <ogra_> you could show a slideshow of nice V8 cars :P
[15:01] <alecu> dholbach: I guess somebody from distro and the people in security team that are marked as attending the session need to be in that
[15:01] <dholbach> setting it up now
[15:01] <alecu> dholbach: I'm joining because we are using node.js and v8 for the new scope bindings.
[15:01] <dholbach> ok, give me another sec or two
[15:02] <tyhicks> can chrisccoulson and I join the hangout?
[15:02] <dholbach> sure
[15:02] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeYeH42x7l09uefcnXCEwsjsCdU5h69oxDhB-7mgeYodV05bA
[15:02] <alecu> great
[15:03] <slangasek> dholbach: sorry, was working on getting it set up; I'll join that one
[15:04] <dholbach> we'll start in a minute
[15:07] <dholbach> Notes are up here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-nodejs-and-libv8-for-1604
[15:12] <marcustomlinson> yes node embeds v8 it does not depend on a shared v8
[15:14] <marcustomlinson> we are embedding node into our own binary
[15:14] <marcustomlinson> as it is not available in universe or main
[15:15] <marcustomlinson> our executable embeds node and is shipped within a scope click
[15:16] <marcustomlinson> we take on the responsibility of keeping the node we embed up to date
[15:18] <marcustomlinson> we update node, we fix our internals, and our API/ABI to remain stable
[15:18] <dholbach> marcustomlinson, if you want to join the hangout, let me know
[15:19] <marcustomlinson> (sorry I have bronchitis, voice is broken)
[15:19] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[15:19] <dholbach> I relayed your comment
[15:27] <marcustomlinson> yes, v8 code is litterally part of the node source tree
[15:28] <marcustomlinson> https://github.com/nodejs/node/tree/master/deps/v8
[15:28] <marcustomlinson> they pull it in statically, no dynamic linking
[15:28] <tyhicks> get to feeling better, marcustomlinson :)
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> tyhicks: will do
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> :)
[15:29] <dholbach> yeah, all the best!
[15:50] <dholbach> doko, do you know if barry is running the next session?
[15:51] <doko> dholbach, we will be both there, he created https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-x-python3-only
[15:51] <dholbach> ok... is anyone of you setting up and running the session?
[15:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[15:52] <dholbach> hey barry
[15:52] <dholbach> are you setting up and running the session?
[15:52] <barry> dholbach: hi
[15:52] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[15:52] <barry> yeah, i guess i should go to the other room now (we're sprinting
[15:53] <dholbach> ok cool
[15:53] <dholbach> let me know if you need help
[15:55] <barry> dholbach: technically it's doko's session :)
[15:55] <dholbach> ok...
[15:56] <dholbach> I asked doko earlier
[15:56] <dholbach> I wasn't quite sure who was running it
[15:58] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdzlG929T3_3v8ifrDi3Hp2h0Tz8wZVRcdk07fcQA61nJdA6g?hl=en&authuser=0
[15:58] <dholbach> I think the time of the session was set wrong
[15:59] <dholbach> the video currently says 9:00:45
[15:59] <slangasek> barry: ^^
[15:59] <dholbach> but maybe it doesn't matter and you can just hit start and it'll just work
[15:59] <slangasek> dholbach: hmmm I said 'starting now' :)
[15:59] <dholbach> I don't know <3
[15:59] <dholbach> oh ok
[15:59] <dholbach> that's on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22568/python3-only-on-the-images/?
[16:00] <dholbach> 8:59:50 now
[16:00] <slangasek> dholbach: when creating the hangout
[16:00] <slangasek> so anyway, I don't know
[16:01] <dholbach> maybe just start the hangout and see if it works
[16:02] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=python3
[16:02] <barry> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-x-python3-only
[16:02] <dholbach> ok, seems to be working :)
[16:03] <dholbach> yes
[16:03] <dholbach> can hear you
[16:03] <dholbach> go go go
[16:03] <dholbach> :)
[16:03] <dholbach> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PnPLZRM2hu7ucv1yuq7Fd5hjNw_DYupHIYZpoP4-xHk/edit?pli=1#gid=1918227221
[16:05] <smadden_landscap> landscape-client-ui-install can be purged. It is unsupported today
[16:05] <slangasek> smadden_landscap: oh great :)
[16:06] <slangasek> smadden_landscap: did you want to join us on the hangout, or are you just delivering the good news?
[16:06] <smadden_landscap> sure, I'd like to join
[16:06] <slangasek> smadden_landscap: //plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdzlG929T3_3v8ifrDi3Hp2h0Tz8wZVRcdk07fcQA61nJdA6g?hl=en&authuser=0
[16:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, any ideas on what Python2 is needed by U7?
[16:08] <Trevinho> willcooke: it's needed by Autopilot, but not by unity itself I think
[16:08] <Trevinho> let me check whether the unity script needs, it but I don't think so
[16:08] <Trevinho> or the migration scripts..
[16:08] <barry> willcooke: tools/unity.cmake
[16:09] <jrjrtgerg> the unity scope depends on software-center in my testing (or at least apt daemon)
[16:09] <barry> willcooke: LP: #1512909
[16:09] <barry> (there's a patch for that but it doesn't build yet for unrelated reasons i think)
[16:10] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^^
[16:13] <demmot> you can authenticate to the rnr server and or the store without using the ubuntu-sso-client fairly easily
[16:13] <demmot> it's a few oauth calls
[16:14] <demmot> unity scope applications gets its data from the software-center database though..
[16:15] <willcooke> thanks demmot
[16:15] <willcooke> seb128, I'll speak to robert_ancell about that ^^
[16:15] <seb128> willcooke, k, thanks
[16:22] <smoser> rdepends also shows python-apt
[16:22] <Laney> hi
[16:22] <Laney> yes I think that g-s uses xapian
[16:23] <Laney> via libappstream
[16:23] <Laney> you can see they are linked
[16:23] <Laney> seb128: slangasek
[16:23] <slangasek> Laney: thanks
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:26] <dholbach> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781913
[16:27] <dholbach> ?
[16:27] <doko> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781913
[16:34] <slangasek> barry, doko: we seem to have skipped over system-config-printer on the desktop?
[16:34] <slangasek> sorry, my hangouts connection failed, so the broadcast will have been interrupted
[16:36] <zyga> hey
[16:36] <smoser> oh.. to come back to it.
[16:36] <smoser> cloud images were free of python2.7
[16:36] <zyga> about checkbox
[16:36] <smoser> but not libpython2.7
[16:36] <zyga> python2 is only needed by one test
[16:36] <smoser> there was a vim bug /dep on libpython2.7
[16:36] <zyga> we can drop that test from the desktop
[16:36] <zyga> it's OpenCV related AFAIR
[16:37] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512642
[16:37] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1512641
[16:37] <zyga> we can easily separate that as checkbox and the tests are separate packages
[16:37] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1512642
[16:37] <zyga> checkbox and plainbox are pure python3
[16:37] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512641
[16:37] <doko> smoser, we could just build vim with python3 bindings
[16:37] <smoser> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729924
[16:37] <zyga> we requested the removal of the checkbox package to replace it with a new stack that uses SDK apis
[16:37] <smoser> infinity had some comments on that (vim and python3)
[16:37] <zyga> so please stay reassured that checkbox will by python3 clean :)
[16:38] <barry> zyga: thanks
[16:39] <zyga> :-)
[16:39] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1440504
[16:40] <yofel> Well, from a kubuntu side we can look at things ourselves, but we're also affected by stuff like apt-xapian-index or ubuntu-sso-client, so some coordination place would be nice
[16:42] <dholbach> barry, there's delay
[16:43] <smoser> (i've verified and updated etherpad. 15.10 server install with default ends up with only libpython2.7-*, and that is rdpended on only by vim)
[16:43] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102639/
[16:43] <smoser> cloud image now has lxd -> lxc -> cloud-image-utils . and smoser will drop/fix cloud-image-utils need of python2
[16:46] <jrjrtgerg> plan is to drop ubuntu software center really soon?
[16:47] <yofel> nah, the bugs are probably enough
[16:47] <yofel> we can just mark those as affecting it
[16:47] <barry> yofel: cool thanks
[16:47] <yofel> *affecting us
[16:47] <jrjrtgerg> lubuntu bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1465313
[16:48] <jrjrtgerg> samba and system-config-printer seem like the big ones that are cross flavor issues
[16:49] <smoser> https://gist.github.com/smoser/8904199bb8f00a90dd04
[16:52] <slangasek> are you familiar with this technique? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102740/
[16:53] <slangasek> (we may have talked about this before, smoser ?)
[16:53] <smoser> i did see that.
[16:53] <smoser> slangasek, yeah.
[16:53] <smoser> its interesting.
[16:53] <smoser> curtin has a solution too
[17:04] <barry> >
[17:59] <cyphermox> http://youtu.be/I4ci-GeJIQw
[17:59] <cyphermox> ^ for anyone who wants to follow, we'll watch questions on IRC too of course
[17:59] <cyphermox> who is here for this session
[17:59] <cyphermox> ?
[18:00] <slangasek> cyphermox: can we share the hangout url here too for anyone else who wants to join the discussion?
[18:00] <cyphermox> yeah I was just grabbing that
[18:00] <cyphermox> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/qmal77cb6ezen6vpzuovvs3lkua
[18:00] <cyphermox> ^ the hangout URL
[18:01] <cyphermox> I won't make it broadcast unless we aren't the only ones here for the session though
[18:01] <slangasek> cmagina: hi, here to talk about capsule updates?
[18:01] <ogra_> nespresso !
[18:02] <cyphermox> ogra_: ?
[18:02] <ogra_> (no, wait , different capsules)
[18:02] <slangasek> heh, nespresso capsules
[18:02] <ogra_> :)
[18:02] <cyphermox> eep.
[18:02] <TJ-> I'm here :) but not on hangouts/whatever
[18:02] <cmagina> slangasek: curious about it :)
[18:02] <pjones> cyphermox: turns out I can't watch it anyway due to some video compat problem :P
[18:02] <slangasek> sorry this capsule is not signed with the right key
[18:02] <cyphermox> alright, let's give it a go then
[18:02] <ogra_> haha
[18:02] <slangasek> pjones: shoulda run Ubuntu
[18:02] <slangasek> ;)
[18:03] <TJ-> Interested in this since I've had some experience with capsule updates - painful
[18:03] <pjones> slangasek: oh yeah, that's probably the issue :P
[18:04] <cyphermox> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-core-1511-efi-capsule-and-fallback
[18:05] <TJ-> I looked at the blueprint; i'd suggest the capsule path be /usr/share/uefi/capsule/ or similar, rather like /usr/share/misc/, rather than /opt/<vendor>/
[18:06] <cyphermox> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1511-efi-capsule-and-fallback
[18:07] <cyphermox> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-w-uefi-capsule-update
[18:09] <superm1> https://secure-lvfs.rhcloud.com/
[18:10] <superm1> is the URL
[18:10] <TJ-> Also, with the fwupdate tool, some easy-to-use mechanism to delegate the update work to a BIOS vendor's own tooling, such as H2O-FFT
[18:10] <superm1> fwupd puts it the appstream data in /var/cache
[18:11] <pjones> (also https://beta-lvfs.rhcloud.com/ may be more interesting)
[18:12] <superm1> and of course http://www.fwupd.org/ being most interesting
[18:14] <superm1> gnome-software
[18:14] <superm1> has support for fwupd
[18:14] <superm1> already
[18:14] <superm1> once fwupd clears NEW in debian we were planning to enable it in Debian with gnome-software too
[18:19] <superm1> the vendor specific tooling isn't supposed to be activated until UpdateCapsule() is called. it's all a vendor specific implementation at that point
[18:22] <cyphermox> TJ-: do you have more questions?
[18:22] <cyphermox> quigley: and you?
[18:22] <TJ-> Idea rather than question: Being able to preload a portable image with many capsules and use it on multiple systems should be a use-case to cover. Enterprises may not want to risk their users handling/invoking a firmware update, but have it done either remotely, by PXE boot image, or USB mass-storage
[18:23] <superm1> mass storage is already supported
[18:23] <superm1> fwupdmgr install blah.cab
[18:23] <quigley> I don't see why that wouldn't just work
[18:23] <cyphermox> you could already do that, as long as the device loads the efi binary for fwupdate
[18:23] <pjones> TJ-: from an upstream perspective, we've been assuming the enterprise will have the ability to remotely schedule it without the user involved, but it still runs through the local userland software
[18:24] <TJ-> Good. just didn't see anything specific mentioning it
[18:24] <superm1> at least today most BIOS'es don't support PXE in UEFI mode
[18:25] <superm1> you have to load a CSM
[18:25] <pjones> (pxe booting it won't *quite* work yet; we need a local filesystem currently. but it's on my todo without a lot more work to do on it.)
[18:25] <cyphermox> but it can be done
[18:25] <pjones> superm1: lots do support dhcp+tftp (as opposed to the bios "pxe" api), but yeah.
[18:25] <cyphermox> oh right, because we look locally for the firmware images?
[18:25] <pjones> cyphermox: right; right now we don't support network device paths
[18:25] <cyphermox> yeah
[18:25] <superm1> yeah, but that's also assuming a working network stack in the BIOS at that time too
[18:26] <pjones> I have like 80% of that in my local tree from this friday.
[18:26] <pjones> superm1: yes, it is.
[18:26] <TJ-> The only thing that occurs to me, based on the Whiteboard... is there a Process: Option 0 = a check-script that looks up the system ID against available updates and lets the user know... which would lead to Options 1/2
[18:27] <TJ-> in other words, prior to a download action by the user, to make them aware without them needing to initiate
[18:29] <cyphermox> TJ-: right now you need to run fwupdmgr refresh to look for updates, it could be cronned
[18:30] <cyphermox> but in the future we might want to get that done graphically/automatically some other way
[18:30] <pjones> I think if you're using gnome-software it'll do that for you?
[18:30] <cyphermox> ie. gnome-software that we mentioned earlier
[18:30] <slangasek> well, and in fact if this is going to be using the appstream service and using gnome-software, there will need to be integration for that
[18:30] * pjones isn't really sure about that end of the stack
[18:30] <slangasek> today we use a cronjob + update-notifier to display the status of update availability
[18:30] <zyga> superm1: hey, I'm curious about pxe and uefi mode, why is that not supported?
[18:31] <cyphermox> slangasek: it's not like we couldn't do what software updates do already, look every once in a while and ask the user ifthey want to apply the new updates
[18:31] <slangasek> I don't know in the gnome-software world what polls for updates, but that would surely need to poll this service
[18:31] <pjones> zyga: many firmwares don't support it, and those that do typically only recognize the addressing if they've been configured to boot via the network
[18:32] <pjones> zyga: so even if they know about it, using the network to fetch the image without actually /booting/ from it won't work without a lot more code.
[18:32] <cyphermox> right
[18:32] <zyga> I see
[18:32] <pjones> zyga: so basically because hardware vendors believe netboot is a value add and don't support it on their low-end machines.
[18:32] <superm1> zyga: traditional PXE support as we all know and love comes from the CSM generally (legacy boot mode)
[18:33] <superm1> UEFI netboot operates a bit differently in what you'll actually be booting
[18:33] <zyga> I'm interested in using the UEFI network stack
[18:33] <zyga> to do $stuff
[18:34] <zyga> where stuff is related to replacing what I'm booting
[18:35] <pjones> zyga: at the risk of being too helpful to ubuntu people, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_UEFI_pxeboot :)
[18:36] <pjones> except that was written for our hacked up grub 0.97 efi binary; substitute a grub.cfg for the obvious difference.
[18:36] <zyga> pjones: interesting, I was thinking about something slightly different but I will check it out to lear more about it
[18:36] <zyga> pjones: I was thinking about using the network stack to boot one or other local disk
[18:37] <zyga> pjones: not about complete netboot
[18:38] <TJ-> cron-job + update-notifier approach would be good especially for headless hardware, and to support non-gnome flavours
[18:39] <superm1> TJ-: yeah a script around fwupdmgr refresh and grep fwupdmgr get-updates would be sufficient for that. when you want to do an update it's just fwupdmgr update
[18:40] <TJ-> longer-term, something like the debian/control Modaliases: might be useful too, to search archive packages using ubuntu-drivers
[18:42] <pjones> TJ-: superm1: if either of you wanted to help with that in fwupd , a "give me esrt info for this system" and a "look up info for this arbitrary ESRT dataset" call would let you split that up pretty nicely...
[18:42] <TJ-> Good to see the progress on this; seeing far too much firmware-bug induced user issues the past 12 months - that combined with ACPI firmware bugs
[18:42] <superm1> it would be easier to teach ubuntu-drivers to parse appstream data in my opinion
[18:43] <pjones> so you could connect to dbus with whatever remote agent you have and ask for details, and then grab stuff on a common server end.
[18:43] <superm1> than to repackage all the data into dummy debian packages
[18:43] <TJ-> superm1: right, just thinking about the common tool and how it currently works
[18:44] <pjones> Well, write what you like. I just hope we can avoid too much unneeded duplication of effort.
[18:44] <superm1> Yeah agree
[18:59] <h4ck3r> secureboot sign for ubuntu EFI
[19:00] <h4ck3r> is there any method to implements signature for EFI with ubuntu EFI file?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.241502
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Laney",
"TJ-",
"Trevinho",
"alecu",
"barry",
"cmagina",
"cyphermox",
"demmot",
"dholbach",
"doko",
"h4ck3r",
"jrjrtgerg",
"marcustomlinson",
"ogra_",
"pjones",
"quigley",
"seb128",
"slangasek",
"smadden_landscap",
"smoser",
"superm1",
"tyhicks",
"willcooke",
"yofel",
"zyga"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-core.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-core"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-africa
|
[11:00] <perphil> hello need some help here
[11:01] <elacheche> How can I help perphil
[11:02] <perphil> hi elacheche, i reinstall ubuntu utopic, and can't install gnome flashback, want metacity
[11:03] <elacheche> why not :/
[11:04] <perphil> "There isn’t a software package called “metacity” in your current software sources."
[11:04] <elacheche> perphil, that's normal
[11:04] <perphil> and can't find a good ppa for x86 p4
[11:05] <elacheche> I just checked Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) reached End of Life on July 23, 2015"
[11:05] <elacheche> You shouldn't install Utopic
[11:06] <perphil> its possible to install 12 LTS without unity, have poor graphics card
[11:07] <elacheche> perphil, why not install Ubuntu MATE ;)
[11:07] <elacheche> 14.04
[11:08] <elacheche> https://ubuntu-mate.org/trusty/
[11:08] <elacheche> Or wily https://ubuntu-mate.org/wily/
[11:08] <elacheche> perphil, MATE is the fork of the old GNOME 2
[11:09] <perphil> don't have access to hight net link right now
[11:10] <perphil> maybe there is some alternative ppa tha could install metacity on utopic even its outdated?
[11:10] <elacheche> perphil, what do you have right now?
[11:10] <perphil> only utopic
[11:10] <elacheche> perphil, that's not recommanded at all!
[11:12] <perphil> i know, but i've some work to finish and don't have ways to get another one right now
[11:12] <craigbrash> perphil: where r u
[11:13] <perphil> Cap Verd westcoast Africa
[11:13] <elacheche> perphil, what other ISOs do you have?
[11:15] <perphil> ok, let forget new install, help me with this real issues
[11:15] <perphil> need to install xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run, have made chmod +x, but say permission denied
[11:16] <perphil> i'm root
[11:17] <perphil> or because it's not more supported nothing is gone work with utopic?
[11:17] <perphil> only have utopic now
[11:17] <elacheche> perphil, can I know: pwd && ls -al xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run ?
[11:18] <perphil> wait...
[11:20] <perphil> says -rw------- 1 perphil perphil, i used chmod ugo+rwx
[11:21] <elacheche> pwd
[11:21] <perphil> -rw------- 1 perphil perphil 125180584 Jul 7 07:35 /media/perphil/linux/progs/OS/linux/Deb`s/xampp/xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run
[11:21] <elacheche> perphil, that hd partition is a NTFS partition isn't it?
[11:22] <perphil> yes have made it on w7
[11:23] <elacheche> perphil, move the file to the Linux partition, the EXT one.. Then you'll be able to chmod+x it..
[11:23] <perphil> ok.
[11:25] <elacheche> That should solve your problem.; I should go eat.. BRB
[11:25] <perphil> thanks very much now
[11:25] <perphil> working now
[11:26] <elacheche> :)
[11:27] <perphil> craigbrash: are you here?
[12:06] <craigbrash> i am now
[12:07] <craigbrash> ok i see he is gone
[12:44] * elacheche is back
[14:15] <elacheche> A quick question, OTRS vs RT!
[14:17] <craigbrash> help-desk.softwareinsider.com/.../OTRS-Help-Desk-vs-Request-Tracker
[14:20] <elacheche> No personal feedback?
[14:21] <craigbrash> unfortunately i am not a sysadmin only a reasonably skilled user :)
[14:22] <elacheche> :)
[14:32] <elacheche> thx craigbrash
[15:58] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[15:58] <Kilos> hi cbj
[17:05] <elacheche> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/?search=elacheche&status=&af=&country=
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.257775
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Kilos",
"craigbrash",
"elacheche",
"perphil"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-africa.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-africa"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-showandtell
|
[10:09] <flexiondotorg> balloons, dholbach I've got a couple of questions about my UOS session later.
[10:10] <flexiondotorg> I did UOS 15.05 and had some difficulty linking up with Hangouts.
[10:10] <flexiondotorg> Can one of you help with that?
[10:11] <dholbach> flexiondotorg, balloons and davidcalle should be around to help
[10:12] <flexiondotorg> What nearer the time?
[10:12] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions is what it should take to set it up
[10:12] <dholbach> yep
[10:12] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Thanks.
[10:12] <dholbach> if you can't get the session set up, they'll help you
[13:52] <bzoltan_> Hello all
[13:58] <balloons> howdy
[14:01] <James_Mulholland> Hi balloons!
[14:02] <James_Mulholland> Hi all
[14:02] <ahayzen> o/
[14:03] <balloons> hello!
[14:03] <zbenjamin> hi all
[14:03] <core_apps_police> hi everyone !
[14:03] <balloons> Any questions you have, feel free to leave them here and I'll ask them to the presenters :-)
[14:04] <balloons> core_apps_police, your name is so fun. I love it
[14:04] <bzoltan_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development
[14:05] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: What is happening with the design editor? I'm learning to code, and that feature was helping a lot..
[14:07] <balloons> stuart gets a shoutout . . .
[14:08] <core_apps_police> ehehe
[14:09] <balloons> live demos ALWAYS go well ;p
[14:09] <ahayzen> hah
[14:09] <guy200> LOL
[14:10] <ahayzen> QUESTION: What happened to Akiva's autopilot plugin for the SDK, is that still WIP ?
[14:11] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Which build process is now 'recommended' cmake, qmake, qmlproject etc ?
[14:12] <core_apps_police> I think qmake..
[14:12] <core_apps_police> but is just my opinion :p
[14:13] <balloons> I'll ask everyone's questions after the demo, so hang tight for a few
[14:13] <ahayzen> hehe yeah most of the coreapps moved to cmake ages ago, i've used qmake on a few others
[14:13] <ahayzen> i'm sure balloons remembers the transition to cmake :')
[14:15] <bzoltan_> ahayzen: I will answer the second question in a sec
[14:15] <ahayzen> oh sweet :-)
[14:15] <balloons> bzoltan_, if you look in the pad, you'll see all the questions that have been asked thus far
[14:15] <bzoltan_> balloons: ohh.. nice
[14:15] <balloons> should you want to answer them sooner ;-0
[14:16] * ahayzen assumes there is an easy way to run QMLTestrunner from inside QtC ...
[14:19] <balloons> anymore questions? now's the time to ask
[14:20] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Is there ETA on convergence features like scrollbars, right click menus, global menu bar support etc appearing in the SDK ?
[14:22] <mhall119> QUESTION: how will MainView work in a world where apps can have multiple windows? Will MainView still be the root component for apps, or will an app be able to have more than one MainView, each in it's own window?
[14:23] <ahayzen> mhall119, i had a Window { MainView {} } before that then spawned another Window from a Loader {} inside that
[14:24] <ahayzen> mhall119, i wonder what we would 'expect' to happen if you tried to open another Window when on a mobile device though ?
[14:27] <mhall119> ahayzen: mzanetti mentioned design discussions about that yesterday
[14:27] <ahayzen> \o/
[14:28] <mhall119> is ActionBar in 1.3 or coming in 1.4?
[14:28] <zsombi> mhall119: MainView will be the main view of the apps, as its name states. Additional windows will have other root components, perhaps Window will be good enough or we'll need a dedicated one to show a modal window
[14:29] <zsombi> mhall119: ActionBar is 1.3 All you see presented by kalikiana is 1.3
[14:29] <zsombi> mhall119: remember, 1.3 API is not frozen yet
[14:29] <mhall119> zsombi: um, it's not?
[14:30] <ahayzen> zsombi, there is a modality property :-) http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-window-window.html#modality-prop
[14:30] <zsombi> ahayzen: then once Mir has it, we can use that :)
[14:30] <ahayzen> :-)
[14:30] <mhall119> zsombi: bzoltan_: we need to have a discussion about when/why/how APIs get frozen
[14:30] <bzoltan_> mhall119: no it is not
[14:31] <bzoltan_> mhall119: have you read my mail about this on the ML?
[14:31] <mhall119> bzoltan_: which ML?
[14:31] <balloons> QUESTION: What keyboard support exists right now? Can I tab between text fields, ctrl+a to select all text, etc?
[14:31] <balloons> arrow keys to switch between things
[14:31] <bzoltan_> mhall119: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16138.html
[14:32] <zsombi> balloons: yes
[14:32] <zsombi> balloons: arrow kesy never switch between things :)
[14:33] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: About a year ago a new text selection function for better and easier textselection was discussed and postponed. Is it back on the plate? Still a bit hard to select text on Ubuntu Touch
[14:38] <mhall119> bzoltan_: thanks, reading those emails makes sense
[14:38] <bzoltan_> mhall119: I was asked the same (very valid) qustions that I had to send that mail... but of course we need to talk about it.
[14:40] <balloons> QUESTION: Can you define seperate options for similar actions (For instance the swiping on phone and right clicking on desktop). Do these need to perform the same code or can they be different?
[14:40] <balloons> I hope that question makes sense
[14:41] <mhall119> QUESTION: Bottom edge on desktops isn't nearly as usable as on a device, are there any designs yet for how that will converge?
[14:42] <mhall119> QUESTION: Can we have an API to change the icon color for header/actionbar actions? My use case is a "mail" icon that I want to change color when there are new messages, currently I have to change the icon source
[14:45] <ahayzen> QUESTION: What has happened to the HUD? Maybe would could integrate Mycroft with the HUD ?
[14:46] <mhall119> ahayzen: that's probably not a question for the SDK team, more for design and Unity devs
[14:46] <ahayzen> hehe, is it on the sdk teams radar though ;-)
[14:46] <balloons> No harm in planting the seed in someone's mind by asking eh?
[14:47] <ahayzen> exactly ;-)
[14:47] <mhall119> QUESTION: The webbrowser app's convergence tabs work really well, can we bring that into the UITK for other apps to use?
[14:49] <mhall119> yay designers! \o/
[14:49] <James_Mulholland> mhall119 - Yes, adding a convergent tabs component is in the plan
[14:49] <mhall119> thanks James_Mulholland
[14:50] <mhall119> the UITK is growing up so fast :)
[14:50] <ahayzen> \o/
[14:50] <James_Mulholland> mhall119 - no probs, I'm the one working on that so ping me if you have any subsequent questions! :)
[14:51] <roadmr> QUESTION: any suggested workarounds for the case where I'm using an encrypted home? (bug 1427264). Could the SDK at least detect this situation so it doesn't explode?
[14:51] <mhall119> James_Mulholland: my questions will be more for those implementing it I think
[14:51] <mhall119> but thanks
[14:51] <mhall119> did somebody ask about Menus yet?
[14:52] <ahayzen> mhall119, what type of menus?
[14:52] <zbenjamin> kalikiana: didn't you use a encrypted home? How did you fix it?`
[14:52] <mhall119> like app/window menus
[14:52] <faenil> ahayzen: I'm currently working on the Scrollbar implementation, feel free to contact me if you have additional questions
[14:52] <kalikiana> I do. I'll check, there's something in my fstab I think
[14:52] <ahayzen> faenil, oh cool :-) will that be automatically added to Flickable's ?
[14:52] <zsombi> mhall119: yes, I just said, there will be menus, context menus and app menus as well, but context menus have higher priority
[14:52] <James_Mulholland> And I'm working on Menus (contextual, app menus. etc)
[14:52] <James_Mulholland> so ping me after the session if you like!
[14:52] <mhall119> thanks zsombi, bzoltan_, kalikiana, zbenjamin, Femma_A and James_Mulholland
[14:53] <roadmr> thanks for the session!
[14:53] <ahayzen> thanks guys :-)
[14:53] <faenil> Flickable is a QtQuick component, so we can't change that to be specific to our UI
[14:53] <mhall119> James_Mulholland: any chance you're working on the HUD redesign too? :)
[14:53] <ahayzen> faenil, ah damn, but the UbuntuListView etc right ?
[14:53] <faenil> ahayzen: the current plan is to add ScrollView which will provide the scrollbars, and you just add the Flickable as ScrollView's child
[14:53] <ahayzen> faenil, ah awesome :-)
[14:53] <faenil> :)
[14:54] <roadmr> balloons: thanks :D :D
[14:54] <James_Mulholland> Thanks all!
[14:54] <ahayzen> faenil, i think Tim said you had been working on scrolling the head sections ?
[14:54] <faenil> ahayzen: yes, I did a prototype a few months ago, it's public. But timp is in charge of the productized version
[14:54] <James_Mulholland> mhall119 - not working on HUD Im afraid, you can check with Femma regarding current plans for UITK components though
[14:55] <ahayzen> faenil, ah cool, i wonder if it would fix this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489591
[14:55] <kalikiana> roadmr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264/comments/15
[14:55] <mhall119> James_Mulholland: do you know who is working on the HUD designs, or who was working on them last?
[14:56] <faenil> ahayzen: it surely should :)
[14:56] * flexiondotorg is ready, just needs some Hangout help :-)
[14:56] <ahayzen> faenil, :-)
[14:56] <roadmr> kalikiana: thanks, I'll try that!
[14:57] <flexiondotorg> balloons, Will you be setting up the Hangout on Air?
[14:58] <balloons> flexiondotorg, I cannot set this one up, I'm in another
[14:58] <balloons> However, I will get someone to help
[14:58] <flexiondotorg> balloons, Thanks.
[14:59] <flexiondotorg> nadrimajstor, Hi :-)
[14:59] <flexiondotorg> frecel, Hello :-)
[14:59] <nadrimajstor> o/
[15:01] <popey> jose is on his way
[15:01] <flexiondotorg> popey, Thanks.
[15:02] <jose> flexiondotorg: ping, mind a quick PM?
[15:02] <flexiondotorg> Sure
[15:05] <_Ridgewing> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22575/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker/
[15:05] <_Ridgewing> I can see you .. now.
[15:05] <frecel> I can hear you
[15:05] <bbrawner> I can hear and see you
[15:05] <frecel> and see you
[15:06] <RPiAwesomeness> O_O Martin does not look like I had imagined him from the Ubuntu podcast
[15:06] <AdamRPCS> I can see but not hear
[15:06] <_Ridgewing> I can see the slides, and hear you.
[15:07] <bbrawner> I can see the slides
[15:07] <RPiAwesomeness> Same
[15:07] <nadrimajstor> He can clearly speaks with authority... He got glasses :D
[15:07] <_Ridgewing> Haha ha .
[15:08] <AdamRPCS> I can see and hear now
[15:10] <justsomeone> QUESTION: would unity 8 work?
[15:11] <BrianLinuxing2> Coming late to the session.
[15:11] <BrianLinuxing2> Question: what approx. time for an install?
[15:17] <ali1234> hi
[15:19] <BrianLinuxing2> thank you, a good answer.
[15:27] <ali1234> ded
[15:27] <_Ridgewing> Martin, lost audio
[15:27] <ali1234> _Ridgewing: questions better on irc than etherpad
[15:27] <_Ridgewing> maybe me thou.
[15:28] <ali1234> no it's dead for me too
[15:28] <_Ridgewing> ok
[15:28] <r0m1> Dead here too
[15:28] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: we can't hear you
[15:28] <flexiondotorg> Can anyobne here?
[15:28] <BrianLinuxing2> just dropped too, whilst I was enjoying it!
[15:28] <ali1234> last thing i heard was when you started talking about dd'ing the image
[15:29] <BrianLinuxing2> me too
[15:29] <_Ridgewing> REFRESH THE PAGE should work ...
[15:29] <ali1234> no it just plays the last 10 seconds when i refresh
[15:29] <_Ridgewing> ok
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> All good?
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> Hear me?
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> See me?
[15:29] <_Ridgewing> no sound.
[15:29] <ali1234> "we create a big file either 4G 8 G or 16G"
[15:29] <_Ridgewing> No sound or video.
[15:30] <justsomeone> meh :/
[15:30] <justsomeone> what happened?
[15:30] <ali1234> technical difficulties
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> I'm being told that some people can hear me.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> So, those that can't, please refresh.
[15:30] <BrianLinuxing2> It is a very polished presentation, which falters as he's explaining the DD part
[15:30] <nadrimajstor> He is not using openwrt firmware :D
[15:31] <ali1234> i refreshed like 10 times
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> Who here can hear me?
[15:31] <bbrawner> I'm not sure if it's my internet or not but I'm stuck on a loading screen
[15:31] <BrianLinuxing2> Refresh didn't work for me, but will do it on the YouTube channel again.
[15:31] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Are you aware of this campaign & Did you collaborate ? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu#/
[15:32] <RemixDave> Frozen at DD here.
[15:32] <justsomeoneagain> still doesn't work ...
[15:32] <justsomeoneagain> neither on youtube nor here :(
[15:32] <bbrawner> I refreshed and it's just loading
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Sorry some of you have lost the connection.
[15:32] <jose> folks, there's some delay on youtube, you can blame google for that
[15:32] <justsomeoneagain> however, carry on, will watch it late
[15:32] <justsomeoneagain> *r
[15:32] <r0m1> Refreshed, still stuck (same thing on the Youtube page)
[15:32] * _Ridgewing clicks .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9BM20J_D0Y to no avail.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> The organiser says the stream is still live.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> I'll press and come to IRc for questions is a few mins.
[15:32] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: What distro are you using ?
[15:33] <ali1234> good cos i have lots of questions
[15:34] <RPiAwesomeness> This will be available afterwards on YT, correct?
[15:34] <ali1234> theoretically
[15:34] <ali1234> it might just cut out at the same place though so who knows
[15:34] <RPiAwesomeness> Bothersome thing won't load for me :(
[15:34] <RPiAwesomeness> Oh, so it's cutting out for you too?
[15:34] <ali1234> for everyone here
[15:35] <ali1234> nobody has spoken up and said it works for them yet
[15:35] <frecel> We basically create a big file...
[15:35] <bbrawner> RPiAwesomeness: https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir/videos
[15:35] <RPiAwesomeness> Let's hope it works, this looks really interesting
[15:35] <bbrawner> Vids should be uploaded there if I'm not mistaken
[15:35] * _Ridgewing goes and makes a cuppa Horlicks. suggestions ?
[15:36] * nadrimajstor off to make a cup of coffee
[15:36] <BrianLinuxing> I was really enjoying that!
[15:36] <_Ridgewing> dpm, We're having issues with Martin's audio and video.
[15:37] * _Ridgewing is Back with Horlicks.
[15:37] * _Ridgewing decides to take a sneaky peek of the rest of the slides : http://ubuntu-mate.org/slides/uos-1511/
[15:38] <dpm> thanks _Ridgewing for the heads up. Might be worth pointing it to jose, as he was hosting the hangout
[15:39] <jose> dpm: looks like it's the youtube lag, because everything's working fine on the HO
[15:39] <dpm> _Ridgewing, ^^
[15:39] <dpm> thanks jose
[15:39] <jose> np
[15:39] <_Ridgewing> jose: ^ no audio & video in this hangout at moment : http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22575/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker/ Done.
[15:39] <jose> _Ridgewing: it's the lag I believe?
[15:40] <ali1234> what is "the lag"?
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Questions?
[15:40] <ali1234> the youtube stream doesn't work for anyone at all, it just plays the last 10 seconds when you reload
[15:40] <RPiAwesomeness> Yup
[15:40] <ali1234> flexiondotorg: YES
[15:40] <ali1234> QUESTION: How much of this is automated? I missed the start...
[15:40] <jose> there's a lag between things are said and emitted on youtube. also, I double checked and it's your end. I opened the video and can see/hear alright.
[15:40] <ali1234> jose: that is not the problem
[15:41] <RPiAwesomeness> Yeah, but it just plays for a few seconds & then stops playing
[15:41] <ali1234> you open the video, it plays for 10 seconds then freezes
[15:41] <RPiAwesomeness> It just loads forever after ~10 seconds
[15:41] <jose> then it's a connection error
[15:41] <ali1234> you refresh, it plays the same 10 seconds then freezes
[15:41] <RPiAwesomeness> ^
[15:41] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: Seems to be using some obscure ubuntu system called Mate. Oh Think Of The Children ! https://greylining.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/think-of-the-children.jpg
[15:41] <ali1234> the same 10 seconds for everyone here
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, It is 100% automated.
[15:41] <ali1234> cool, i will definitely try it out on Xubuntu then
[15:41] <ali1234> QUESTION: Do you support device tree in the Pi kernel?
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Although, if you install the optional Pi 2 software Jack needs a preseed.
[15:42] <jose> I'm playing it alright. it'll be recorded anyways, so you won't miss anything
[15:42] <ali1234> for stuff like enabling the i2c, spi and other hardware
[15:42] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Yes, device tree support is exactly the same as the Raspbian Kernel.
[15:43] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: Where is the bug list for this project in Launchpad or git-hub ?
[15:43] <ali1234> nice
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> So, the new Raspberry Pi Touch screen works once the approrpaite device tree is enabled.
[15:43] <ali1234> QUESTION: Are you aware of LTSP on Raspberry Pi?
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> _Ridgewing, All in Launchpad. Althought I'm using git not bazaar for source control.
[15:44] <RPiAwesomeness> Yeah. Just full reloaded (Ctrl-F5) and tried opening the hangouts link. Same issue
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Yes, I am aware of LTSP on Pi.
[15:44] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: Yes , but can I have the address to the bug-list, please ?
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, However, I typically X2Go.
[15:44] * _Ridgewing Wants to help-out !
[15:44] <ali1234> did you know that they can now boot the ubuntu kernel over the network from u-boot?
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker
[15:45] <ali1234> i ask because the thing preventing it was related to device tree
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, Did know about u-boot.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> But noth the network thing.
[15:45] <ali1234> it now fully boots with only u-boot and config.txt on the sd card, nothing else
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> If might be possible to use uboot with berryboot to create a single image with every flavour on it.
[15:46] <ali1234> don't even need berryboot
[15:46] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, You know you stuff. Please join the team :-)
[15:46] <ali1234> you can have u-boot throw up a menu
[15:46] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: so want your telling me from this address -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker
[15:46] <ogra_> ali1234, sadly uboot cant load the devicetree on its own though
[15:46] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg ... is that there are no bugs listed for this, as of yet ?
[15:46] <ali1234> ogra_: yes it can
[15:46] <ogra_> (i mean it can load it but the kernel wont accept it)
[15:47] <ali1234> ogra_: we did it in raspberrypi a couple of days ago
[15:47] <ali1234> oh hey the stream is back
[15:47] <_Ridgewing> I hear audio !
[15:47] <ogra_> ali1234, uboot can nly load the dtb from ram ... the blob loader needs to do the actual loading
[15:47] <flexiondotorg> _Ridgewing, Just enabled Bugs in LP :-)
[15:47] <_Ridgewing> ok cheers.
[15:47] <RPiAwesomeness> Ey, it's back now
[15:47] <ogra_> elsre it will all fall back to ATAGs and peripherials wont work ... nor will dtb overlays
[15:47] <ali1234> ogra_: u-boot can load the dtb from a tftp server and put it in ram. the kernel will then use it
[15:48] <ali1234> it can also load the dtb from fat partition
[15:48] <ogra_> not in my testing
[15:48] <ali1234> in fact if you do not supply a dtb the kernel will not get past "uncompressing linux"
[15:48] <_Ridgewing> All we can see is the slides !
[15:48] <ogra_> it always uses ATAGs ... and broadcom confirmed to me that this isnt possible
[15:48] <ali1234> what do you mean "it"
[15:48] <flexiondotorg> I'm going join IRC fully. ANd end the hangout.
[15:49] <_Ridgewing> flexiondotorg: QUESTION: Are you aware of this campaign & Did you collaborate ? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu#/
[15:49] <ogra_> the kernel falls back to ATAs if the dtb doesnt come from ram, preloaded by the blob loader
[15:49] <ali1234> ogra_: that's not correct any more. the upstream raspi kernel no longer supports ATAGS
[15:49] <ogra_> so you will boot but with degraded HW capabilities if you load it from uboot only
[15:49] <ogra_> unless that changed in the last 8 weeks
[15:50] <ali1234> and the dtb does not need to be loaded by the blob, u-boot can do it and it works just the same. why would it make any difference?
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> OK, the hangout is ended.
[15:50] <ali1234> ogra_: so two days ago i tested all this and got it working
[15:50] <jose> 5 minutes - Q&A time!
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> We've got 5 mins to feild any questions.
[15:50] <ogra_> ali1234, ah, i'm only taslking about the official ubuntu kernel :) which is mainline plus rpi patches
[15:50] * ogra_ likes security support for his installs :)
[15:50] <balloons> flexiondotorg, I missed the whole session. got a TLDR :p
[15:50] <ali1234> with no dtb the kernel hangs at "uncompressing linux" and when u-boot loads a dtb it boots fine and everything works
[15:50] <balloons> err TLDW
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> _Ridgewing, Yes, was aware. Backed it.
[15:50] <ali1234> ogra_: this was with a raspbian kernel and with an ubuntu kernelm they both did the same thing
[15:51] <ogra_> ali1234, with broken dtb it shoudl just fall back to atags
[15:51] <ogra_> it definitely does here
[15:51] <flexiondotorg> _Ridgewing, Even shared my Arch Linux cluster knowledged to 2x Pi 1
[15:51] <ali1234> although to be honest i do not know precisely where the ubuntu kernel came from
[15:51] <ogra_> it boots fine but you end up with no /proc/device-tree
[15:52] <ogra_> ali1234, it was initiated by having the official snappy rpi2 image
[15:52] <ali1234> ogra_: i know that it should, and indeed it does when booting from the blob
[15:52] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, The current kernel provides a default DTB that works just like the default Raspbian kernel.
[15:52] <jose> video recording is up now in case anyone wants to re-watch!
[15:52] <ali1234> but if you boot from u-boot with no dtb it hangs
[15:52] <flexiondotorg> ali1234, This is not using the Raspi2 kernel for Snappy in 15.10.
[15:52] <ogra_> it also provides all overlay dtbs
[15:52] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu Pi Flavour Maker uses a "port" of the Raspberry Pi Foundation Kernel.
[15:52] <ali1234> yes, u-boot cannot do overlays
[15:53] <ali1234> ogra_: can you point me to the vmlinuz of an official ubuntu kernel to test this?
[15:53] <ogra_> ali1234, sure and if you boot with one that was loaded from somewhere else than ram (0x100 specifically) it will use ATAGs
[15:53] <flexiondotorg> Looks like we're done.
[15:53] <ogra_> ali1234, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/4.2.0-1014.21
[15:53] <flexiondotorg> Thanks to everyone who attended, please do join the team if you're interested in this project.
[15:53] <nadrimajstor> o/
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, Thanks for all the useful info.
[15:54] <ogra_> flexiondotorg, np :)
[15:54] <ogra_> thanks for running that topic (i sadly had other duties during half of it)
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> And we're done. I hope you all enjoy the next session.
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, Well, hopefully the video recorded OK and you can watch it at your leisure.
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah, will do :)
[15:56] <ali1234> ogra_: what exactly are we arguing about here again?
[15:57] <ogra_> ali1234, uboot cant load device trees properly and will set atags if the dtb doesnt come from ram
[15:57] <ali1234> i just want to be sure :)
[15:57] <ali1234> what do you mean by "come from ram"
[15:57] <ali1234> you mean "was already loaded by the blob"?
[15:57] <ogra_> ali1234, how about we go to #ubuntu-arm
[15:57] <ali1234> sure np
[18:01] <balloons> all set presenter?
[18:13] <LarreaMikel> Hi, no plasma mobile?
[18:17] <balloons> hey, it seems so.
[18:19] <popeyfan> ahh well, at least i can go eat before the next session :)
[18:20] <balloons> I went ahead and removed it from the schedule
[18:20] <balloons> sorry for that. I wanted to see it also, but the presenter isn't about atm
[18:20] <balloons> Not sure what happened
[18:26] <LarreaMikel> ok, no problem ;)
[18:48] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: ping
[18:50] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: pong
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: our link: http://youtu.be/fVkGnKfavnw
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> for the Kubuntu Podcast
[18:51] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: thanks, got it in summit now
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[18:51] <sgclark2> hello
[18:58] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark2: hello
[18:58] <ovidiu-florin> apparently I'm the only one here
[19:00] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: can we start?
[19:01] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: whenever you're ready
[19:03] <sgclark2> woohoo
[19:03] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: aaron might be in the ubports session?
[19:04] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know
[19:04] <mhall119> he's marked as attending that one anyway
[19:06] <sgclark2> Correct @ Randa :)
[19:07] <_Ridgewing> ovidiu-florin: Could we have English at the top of the language-chooser by default ?
[19:10] <sgclark2> too late
[19:11] * sgclark2 takes a month vacation
[19:12] <_Ridgewing> sgclark2: Too late for what ?
[19:12] <sgclark2> Over working myself in open source
[19:13] <sgclark2> volunteering
[19:13] <_Ridgewing> ovidiu-florin: where's THE BEER ?
[19:13] <_Ridgewing> sgclark2: I feel for that.
[19:21] <frecel> I never got into using activities in KDE. I can see why some people like it but I just don't know how to use it it my workflow
[19:25] * sgclark2 hides
[19:26] <clivejo2> can we clones Scarlet?
[19:26] <sgclark2> lol
[19:26] <clivejo2> hlaf a dozen Scarlets and Kubuntu would be amazing!
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> https://www.patreon.com/sgclark?ty=c
[19:27] <frecel> There should be a big GET INVOLVED button on the front page of kubuntu.org that links to a wiki page with all the information about how one could help the kubuntu community
[19:28] <_Ridgewing> sgclark2: Oh yeah .. what's the patreon account, address ?
[19:28] <sgclark2> ^
[19:28] <_Ridgewing> oh , got it !
[19:30] <_Ridgewing> Happy to help out with, promotion , here !
[19:30] <clivejo2> it would take me more than 20mins to download it!
[19:31] * clivejo2 kicks slow internet
[19:32] <sgclark2> lol last minutes
[19:42] <ahoneybun> o/
[19:42] <sgclark2> hiyas
[19:45] <_Ridgewing> ovidiu-florin: I just thought of another outlet for 16.04 . How about distro-watch ... ??
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> _Ridgewing: what about it?
[19:46] <_Ridgewing> ovidiu-florin: It's just another "softpedia", that I need to contact.
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> what about distro-watch?
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> _Ridgewing: ^
[19:51] <_Ridgewing> In the last podcast, yesterday . I was put in charge of self-propotion for Kubuntu (i.e. contacting softpedia etc) . Distrowatch is another outlet that I need to contect to keep their page for Kubuntu updated , Ok ?
[19:53] <valorie> sounds good, _Ridgewing
[19:53] <_Ridgewing> Yeps.
[19:53] <_Ridgewing> Thanks.
[19:53] <valorie> I've been listening at my other computer while cooking and eating. :-)
[19:53] <sgclark2> Need to add my new backports to website :)
[19:55] * ahoneybun works on that
[19:55] <_Ridgewing> Here's a good Show-and-tell , be sure to subscribe ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73YRk9P9l9Y
[19:55] <valorie> amen! report bugs
[19:56] <valorie> very important contribution
[19:56] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Artwork
[19:56] <ahoneybun> he made those awesome cards too
[19:56] <_Ridgewing> ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/Wjn1cvc
[19:57] <_Ridgewing> Also here: Album http://imgur.com/a/ZRjjz
[19:58] <_Ridgewing> I hate the bot !
[19:59] <_Ridgewing> Here's the video: https://youtu.be/fVkGnKfavnw
[20:01] <_Ridgewing> Great video ..)
[20:01] <_Ridgewing> :)
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.264614
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"AdamRPCS",
"BrianLinuxing",
"BrianLinuxing2",
"James_Mulholland",
"LarreaMikel",
"RPiAwesomeness",
"RemixDave",
"Sid_Payton",
"_Ridgewing",
"ahayzen",
"ahoneybun",
"ali1234",
"balloons",
"bbrawner",
"bzoltan_",
"clivejo2",
"core_apps_police",
"dholbach",
"dpm",
"faenil",
"flexiondotorg",
"frecel",
"guy200",
"jose",
"justsomeone",
"justsomeoneagain",
"kalikiana",
"mhall119",
"nadrimajstor",
"ogra_",
"ovidiu-florin",
"popey",
"popeyfan",
"r0m1",
"roadmr",
"sgclark2",
"valorie",
"zbenjamin",
"zsombi"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-showandtell.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-showandtell"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-fl
|
[02:43] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I'm not sure, ask in #ubuntu-devel someone there would know
[12:54] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I found a page about unity8's truck on LP so I'm downloading that now to try to build
[12:54] <ahoneybun> I'll see what breaks
[15:33] <jck77> morning
[18:18] <balloons> ahoneybun, you about?
[19:30] <ahoneybun> am now balloons
[19:30] <balloons> ahoneybun, the plasma mobile session never happened
[19:30] <balloons> I was pinging to see if you knew him or not
[19:30] <balloons> to see if he was around somewhere
[19:31] <ahoneybun> knew who?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> balloons: ^
[19:32] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22634/plasma-mobile-a-brief-summary/
[19:32] <balloons> David Edmundson
[19:33] <ahoneybun> I've met him at Akademy
[19:33] <balloons> He created the session, but I'm not sure if he knows how to run it, etc. I never had contact with him, not sure if someone else did or not
[19:33] <ahoneybun> I'll see if he is around in #kde-devel
[19:34] <ahoneybun> I pinged him
[19:34] <balloons> what's his handle? we can reschedule the session tomorrow btw
[19:34] <ahoneybun> d_ed
[20:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping
[21:17] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pong
[21:18] <ahoneybun> seems I've been put up for LC
[21:20] <mhall119> \o/
[23:06] <ahoneybun> yep
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.269113
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ahoneybun",
"balloons",
"jck77",
"mhall119"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-fl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-fl"
}
|
2015-11-04-#juju-dev
|
[00:16] <davecheney> mgz_: thanks for your help
[00:16] <davecheney> this is working a treat
[00:16] <mgz_> davecheney: ace
[00:16] <davecheney> a few small issues and i'll be able to land this branch
[00:16] <davecheney> thumper: a pint of grog for mgz_ !
[00:21] <thumper> awesome
[00:43] <thumper> hmm....
[00:43] <thumper> I'm seeing state/leadership package sometimes timeout after 20 minutes
[00:43] * thumper smells race
[00:43] <thumper> but my --race doesn't work
[00:59] <mwhudson> it's totally possible to have logical races without memory races
[01:03] <thumper> sure
[01:57] <axw> thumper: why discard that PR about server->controller? is that rename not happening anymore?
[01:57] <thumper> axw: it is, but I'm going to retarget it against the new 'controller-rename' feature branch
[01:57] <thumper> as I feel that I'm going to break CI
[01:57] <axw> thumper: okey dokey
[01:57] <thumper> especially as I change some of the command stuff
[01:58] <thumper> and remove the feature falg
[01:58] <thumper> so I thought I retarget it all
[01:58] <thumper> hopefully a very short lived feature branch
[01:58] <thumper> as conflicts against master are going to be a biatch
[01:59] <axw> thumper: did you see my latest email about multi-env vs. azure?
[02:00] <thumper> I think so
[02:00] * thumper goes to look again
[02:01] <axw> thumper: did not get a reply. just curious about how we're supposed to do create/destroy when an env has resources shared between machines
[02:01] <axw> setup/teardown, a la bootstrap/destroy
[02:01] <thumper> like what?
[02:01] <axw> thumper: in the case of azure: a resource group, subnet, network security group, storage account
[02:02] <axw> thumper: each env will have its own everything, except for a single virtual network that all envs are connected to
[02:02] <thumper> ok...
[02:03] <thumper> well, shouldn't we just hook into the create environment, and destroy environment endpoints?
[02:03] <thumper> when we destroy a controller, we take down all the hosted environments first
[02:03] <thumper> axw: waigani has been refactoring all our destruction code so it is nicer and more async
[02:03] <axw> thumper: yeah, but atm EnvironProvider just has "PrepareForCreateEnvironment" - I'm using htis but it doesn't feel quite right
[02:03] <axw> thumper: sounds good
[02:04] <thumper> you should use the create environment, not the prepare
[02:05] <axw> thumper: there is no "create environment" in EnvironProvider, at least not on master. maybe in a feature branch?
[02:05] <thumper> where are you looking?
[02:05] <thumper> hmm...
[02:05] <axw> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/environs/interface.go
[02:05] * thumper thinks...
[02:05] * thumper looks
[02:07] <thumper> axw: actually, there is currently no function we call at all in the provider when creating a new environment
[02:07] <thumper> before there was never anything to execute
[02:09] <thumper> hmm...
[02:09] <axw> thumper: so I think we need a CreateEnvironment as well as a PrepareForCreateEnvironment
[02:09] <thumper> I think you may be right
[02:09] * thumper greps for the Prepare...
[02:09] <axw> thumper: PrepareForCreateEnvironment is called (twice), and it is usable
[02:09] <thumper> hmmm
[02:10] <thumper> yeah, checking for valid Config
[02:10] <axw> thumper: i.e. I've got multi-env working in azure
[02:11] <thumper> axw: it feels better to have a separate CreateEnvironment call
[02:11] <thumper> that we call just once
[02:11] <axw> thumper: +1
[02:12] <axw> thumper: also, it's not obvious why Prepare is called twice (once before assigning UUID, once after) - would be good to have better docs on that
[02:12] <thumper> I believe it is the two step call we do
[02:12] <thumper> which we are looking to fix
[02:12] <thumper> the first is to ask for a config skeleton
[02:13] <thumper> and then the validation when the user passes it back
[02:13] <thumper> but to be honest, I'm not entirely clear
[02:13] <thumper> we are wanting to make the juju cli do the same as jem
[02:13] <thumper> and have all providers supply the configschema
[02:13] <thumper> oh...
[02:13] <thumper> can you make the new azure provider supply the configschema?
[02:14] <thumper> not sure if the old one did
[02:14] <axw> thumper: it didn't. I'll add it to the list.
[02:37] <thumper> axw: here is that branch retargeted to the controller-rename branch http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3053/
[02:54] <wallyworld> axw: small one if you have a moment https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/36
[03:44] <menn0> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3054/
[03:44] <menn0> thumper: adds "no tail" support to state.LogTailer
[03:44] * thumper looks
[03:48] <thumper> menn0: why do we need to call tailer.Stop when we said "don't tail" ?
[03:50] <menn0> thumper: you don't ...
[03:51] <menn0> thumper: it's just in case the tailer isn't working during tests
[03:51] <menn0> thumper: like when I wrote the test but NoTail wasn't implemented yet
[03:51] <menn0> thumper: happy to reemove it if you think it's confusing
[03:51] <thumper> perhaps just a comment would be enough
[03:52] * thumper sighs
[03:52] <thumper> state/leadership is failing for me again...
[04:01] <menn0> thumper: i've responded to the review
[04:06] <axw> wallyworld: reviewed
[04:06] <wallyworld> ty
[04:22] <thumper> waigani: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3056/
[04:22] <thumper> waigani: it is the earlier branch retargetted and many of the missed systems renamed too
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1454466 changed: Deployment times out waiting for relation convergence - nvp-transport-node in installing state <deploy> <oil> <juju-core:Expired> <juju-deployer:Invalid>
[04:30] <mup> <neutron-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <nvp-transport-node (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454466>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1454466 opened: Deployment times out waiting for relation convergence - nvp-transport-node in installing state <deploy> <oil> <juju-core:Expired> <juju-deployer:Invalid>
[04:33] <mup> <neutron-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <nvp-transport-node (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454466>
[04:36] <mup> Bug #1454466 changed: Deployment times out waiting for relation convergence - nvp-transport-node in installing state <deploy> <oil> <juju-core:Expired> <juju-deployer:Invalid>
[04:36] <mup> <neutron-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <nvp-transport-node (Juju Charms Collection):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454466>
[04:39] <waigani> thumper: shipit with a question about "controller environment"
[04:59] <davecheney> thumper: menn0 axw http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3057/
[05:01] <axw> davecheney: shipit
[05:02] <menn0> axw: that was awfully fast!
[05:02] <davecheney> boom
[05:02] <axw> menn0: awfully easy review :)
[05:02] <davecheney> -2700 lines -> ship it!
[05:02] <axw> heh
[05:02] <menn0> I think axw has a bot that just automatically replies with ship it
[05:02] <axw> ;)
[05:03] <axw> in seriousness, I wish we had one for back/forwardports
[05:04] <axw> or a way to just not post to RB
[05:05] <wallyworld> axw: sorry, one more https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/37
[05:08] <axw> wallyworld: you should probably use yaml.v1, it's in dependencies.tsv
[05:09] <wallyworld> axw: ah, yeah, thanks
[08:11] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: ping?
[09:00] <fwereade_> axw, I think you're probably right re manifold-in-different-package, but I'm really reluctant for some reason
[09:01] <fwereade_> axw, possibly because so many others are not yet sufficiently separate from their worker packages as to cleanly accommodate that?
[10:02] <frobware> dimitern, dooferlad: standup?
[11:10] <axw> fwereade_: sorry, I was away from IRC. I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it's obviously inherently tied to the worker, but on the other, it has a separate role to play (policy over starting the worker, and connecting the worker to other things). I think having it in a separate package just keeps the responsibilities clearer
[11:31] <fwereade_> axw, yeah, I think you're right. subpackage is probably not *really* the right place, but close enough for now
[12:16] <voidspace> perrito666: thanks
[12:18] <perrito666> voidspace: yw
[12:18] * perrito666 overslept, rainy day, fresh drapes, impossible not to
[12:21] <frankban> cherylj: hi, could you please take a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3063/ when you have time?
[13:26] <jam> fwereade_: I realized late that alexisb moved our meeting time (relative to my tz at least). I need to take the dog out, but will try to be back for the meeting
[13:45] <alexisb> jam, we dropped but I am here if you want to chat post dog walk
[13:45] <Shawn_> Hello, I am trying to build the packages from source, how can i download the dependency packages individually instead using the makefile ?
[13:47] <jam> alexisb: hiya. I don't have anything specific. You dropped the meeting for today?
[13:47] <alexisb> jam, fwereade_ and I met for a moment and then dropped
[13:50] <jam> alexisb: you realize you really have nothing to say to eachother without me ? :)
[13:51] <alexisb> jam, so very true ;)
[13:58] <cherylj> frankban: did you have any write up on using the new bundle support that can go out into the release notes for 1.26-alpha1?
[14:11] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, do you recall why EnvironObserver has a mutex, and replaces its environ, instead of doing a SetConfig? environs are meant to be goroutine-safe...
[14:12] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, (I know it's from, what, 20 months ago :))
[14:19] <frankban> cherylj: no I don't but I can get it prepared
[14:19] <cherylj> frankban: that would be great. Just enough to tell people it's there and how they can use it.
[14:21] <frankban> cherylj: cool, Makyo ^^^ would you like to prepare something about bundle deployment in core?
[14:22] <frankban> cherylj: will you have time to look at the branch today?
[14:25] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i'll have a look
[14:25] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, cheers
[14:28] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: even if an Environ itself is goroutine-safe, a worker still doesn't want it changing underneath itself with no warning
[14:32] <cherylj> frankban: yes, I can. I see you have two ship it reviews already. Did you still want me to take a look?
[14:33] <frankban> cherylj: yes please, I need a review from a core developer
[14:33] <cherylj> frankban: ah, ok. Will look at it this morning
[14:34] <frankban> cherylj: ty!
[14:41] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, sorry, why not?
[14:42] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, isn't that the point of it being goroutine-safe, that someone updating the config should be no cause for concern?
[14:42] <fwereade_> bother
[14:47] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, sorry, bad timing before
[14:48] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: np
[14:48] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, what's the problem with the environ config being updated under a worker? I rather thought that was the point of the boroutine-safety?
[14:49] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: if i'm writing a worker, i might be doing something on the basis of one attribute, but another attribute might change underfoot so it's inconsistent
[14:49] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i think it's better if the config is treated as immutable
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1513084 opened: 1.20 cannot upgrade to 1.26-alpha1: run.socket: no such file or directory <1.20> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <run> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513084>
[14:50] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, that sounds like a problem with the Config method alone then?
[14:51] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, (also: if a worker's depending on env config values from the env, not from state, isn't it already confused?)
[14:53] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: if that's an issue, why are we creating the env at all?
[14:53] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, to call methods that do something to the substrate
[14:53] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: ok, so those methods will depend on env config values in the env, right?
[14:54] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, yes, but that's the env's problem, not the client's
[14:54] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: so should the worker rely on two sources of truth for the config values from the state - the env and another watcher?
[14:56] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: currently a worker needs only to use the EnvironObserver, which gives it the config values from state (and an environment that can use them)
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1513096 opened: invalid agent version in environment configuration: "1.26-alpha1" <ci> <deploy> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513096>
[14:57] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, what's the overlap between worker-relevant values and env-relevant values?
[14:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i don't know. but i wouldn't want to rely on there being none ever
[14:58] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: having a single place to watch seems like a reasonable thing to me
[14:58] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, in practice, what the EnvironObserver is used for is to create an environ, hand it over to instancepoller, and never update it
[14:58] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, the instancepoller doesn't remotely care about what wwe're doing in the background, it just wants its instancegetter to work
[14:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i'm slightly surpised the provisioner worker doesn't use it
[14:59] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, what would the point be? if it doesn't update the environ we still have to thread env-watching through every worker
[15:00] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, if it simplified its clients, then it'd be great, but as it is there's no reason to switch implementations to use that afaics
[15:03] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: presumably the provision *does* update its Environ when the environ config changes?
[15:03] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: ah yes, it does
[15:05] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, yeah -- and that one is also sl. different in that it has an interest in actual juju-model config as opposed to just the substrate config
[15:05] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, but I'm pretty sure that if it's paying attention to the substrate config it's DIW somewhere
[15:06] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: "dead in water" "doing it wrong" ?
[15:06] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, the latter was my intent :)
[15:06] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: it feels a bit racy to me
[15:08] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, only if the environ itself is, surely?
[15:08] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: not really.
[15:08] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i don't like state changing underfoot
[15:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i mean, it's *probably* ok
[15:10] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, I feel like the biggest worry is that few environs have ever been actually used from multiple goroutines, so their safety is not battle-tested
[15:11] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: there should be at least one cross-environment test that's designed to trigger the race detector in such cases
[15:13] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, sure, but the number of ways to subtly break safety tends to overwhelm any but exhaustive/invasive testing, and I don't think we really have anything sophisticated enough
[15:13] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: ah, i was being confused by the configObserver - it's only there for testing
[15:13] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: if a provider doesn't simply use a mutex, it's probably doing it wrong
[15:14] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: and that simple mutex logic can be easily tested with the race detector
[15:14] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, there's another way to approach it that I quite liked, but forget the details of
[15:14] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i tend to just make a test like: go setConfig(); go getConfig(); go setConfig(); go getConfig()
[15:15] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: which will trigger a failure in the race detector if the appropriate mutexes aren't used
[15:15] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, right, but that's just 2 methods and still rather luck-dependent
[15:16] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: true that it's only 2 methods (it should probably be all of 'em), but i don't think it's that luck dependent
[15:16] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, I accept it'll probably fail most of the time, but I doubt it'll be 100% :)
[15:16] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: why wouldn't it be?
[15:18] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, it might happen to run them all serially by sheer coincidence, and never happen to flag the issue -- is it smarter than that? I thought it erred in fvaour of false negatives
[15:18] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: even if it runs them all serially, the race detector will flag it
[15:19] * fwereade_ scrubs that bad data out of his brain then
[15:19] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: of course you can get false negatives if the code never actually accesses the memory in question
[15:19] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, cool
[15:19] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: it's a pretty good tool
[15:19] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, yeah, but that's not the case here
[15:19] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i'm a big fan of race-detector-oriented tests
[15:20] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, indeed, I have a deep and abiding love for the race detector
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1511822 changed: imports github.com/juju/juju/workload/api/internal/client: use of internal package not allowed <blocker> <ci> <regression> <wily> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511822>
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1513096 changed: invalid agent version in environment configuration: "1.26-alpha1" <ci> <deploy> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513096>
[15:20] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, ok, so, some go-spam-every-method tests would be good in general
[15:26] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: so presumably your motivation for the initial question was wondering why the instance poller aggregator isn't seeing env config changes?
[15:27] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, not so much, actually, I came across that later -- I was more thinking of running a separate EnvironObserver that *could* be shared by the various workers that use environs
[15:28] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: well, the current one can be in fact
[15:29] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: you could do the SetConfig locally in each worker as desired
[15:29] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, don't think so? there's only one Environ in the observer
[15:29] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: each worker would have its own Environ
[15:30] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, that's what I'm trying to get away from
[15:30] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: for reasons of efficiency?
[15:31] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, more that the env-watching is unnecessary extra complexity in a bunch of different workers
[15:31] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, and yeah, there's some efficiency improvement as well
[15:32] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, and it opens the door to us being able to actually manager rate limits sanely, instead of having a herd of N environs stampeding to talk to the same endpoint from a single agent
[15:32] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: the difficulty is that it's all bound up with environ config and that smears a bunch of semi-related attributes together
[15:34] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i'm toying with the thought that workers shouldn't ever look at the environ config directly at all
[15:34] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, I do agree that env config is a mess; but AFAICS the potential for harm comes from people using the environ config -- ha, yeah
[15:34] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, can you think of any legitimate uses for .Config() for a client? :)
[15:34] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: but instead have the parameters passed in and derived from the config
[15:34] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, yeah, absolutely
[15:35] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: then you'd probably need to restart the worker when config relevant to it changed
[15:35] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, we just want to pass in something that knows how to ask for instances, and which isn't all whiny and needy about being updated by the same client who wants instances
[15:35] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, still not really understanding why not to SetConfig and be done with it?
[15:36] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, in the observer, I mean
[15:36] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: SetConfig and use chan struct{} ?
[15:36] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, no, I don't want the clients to have to care about environ config at all
[15:37] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: that's ok iff there's no overlap between the attrs used by the worker vs those used by the provider
[15:38] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i wonder what it would take to split 'em
[15:38] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, well, at least in the instancepoller case, it doesn't care about env config at all
[15:38] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i'm more thinking of the provider case actually
[15:38] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, in the provisioner case all I can think of is, uh, instance-reaping mode, whatever it's called
[15:38] <rogpeppe> sorry
[15:38] <rogpeppe> provisioner
[15:38] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: yeah
[15:39] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, which the provisioner shouldn't really know is to do with the env config anyway, it shoudl just be watching/asking for reaping mode
[15:43] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: one way to be more sure that the workers aren't doing anything untoward might be to make the Environ with Config and SetConfig methods that return an error or panic
[15:52] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, mm, yeah, I will poke around in that direction and see what happens
[15:53] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: that wouldn't be compatible with logic doing type inspection of the Environ, but i would hope that nothing is doing that anyway (and i've always considered it seriously misguided in the places we *are* doing it)
[15:53] <rogpeppe> s/hope that nothing/hope that nothing in the workers/
[15:55] <fwereade_> rogpeppe, yeah
[16:04] <natefinch> gc.ErrorMatches is horrible and bad, and anyone who uses it should feel bad.
[16:05] <fwereade_> natefinch, gtg out, would still be interested to hear more on this -- I'd say that *overbroad* ErrorMatches~s are the usual problem?
[16:06] <natefinch> fwereade_: the only time the *text* of an error message matters, is if it is shown to a user... which 99% of the time it is not
[16:06] <natefinch> fwereade_: we use it as a shorthand for "I expect this specific error to be returned"
[16:07] <natefinch> fwereade_: which is not what is actually being tested
[17:11] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i disagree. i think it's really helpful to see what our errors look like
[17:13] <rogpeppe> natefinch: the alternative is often just asserting that the error is non-nil, which isn't very helpful (i have discovered lots of places where we generated a really stupid or malformed error which we never knew about because of that)
[17:15] <natefinch> rogpeppe: the problem is that asserting the error message asserts a ton of information you don't actually care about. Like how certain types serialize into strings, like how many levels of abstraction there are between you and the origin of the error
[17:16] <rogpeppe> natefinch: yes, i agree. that can be problematic too. but i think the upside of seeing what your error messages actually look like outweighs that.
[17:16] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i often finish an ErrorMatches string with .*
[17:17] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i've found the error string thing really helpful recently - i found one error that was mentioning the same URL 3 times in the same error message.
[17:18] <rogpeppe> natefinch: crafting decent error messages is important for the user experience
[17:18] <rogpeppe> natefinch: and the tests are usually the only place *we* will ever see them
[17:19] <rogpeppe> natefinch: if it hadn't been for ErrorMatches, we wouldn't have made the recent fix to the charm error messages ("charm or bundle not found" vs "entity not found") caught when ian was reviewing our juju-core changes in response to a charm dep update
[17:21] <natefinch> rogpeppe: sure, there are times when we show errors to users, and in those cases, error text matters.. but we use ErrorMatches *everywhere* in places we know the user will never see the message (logs don't really count).
[17:22] <rogpeppe> natefinch: logs definitely count
[17:22] <natefinch> rogpeppe: not down to the letter
[17:22] <rogpeppe> natefinch: so what would you do? just check that the error isn't nil?
[17:23] <natefinch> rogpeppe: no, check what you actually care about, that we detected a specific type of error and failed in an expected way. Use a custom error type or something.
[17:23] <rogpeppe> natefinch: another issue i found recently was where an API test wasn't actually testing what it thought it was - the error was for an entirely different reason.
[17:24] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i don't think we should need a custom error type or value for every kind of error we want to test for
[17:24] <natefinch> rogpeppe: the thing that brought this up for me was that a test started failing on master because I added a level of indirection, so the error message had an extra section of "while you were doing foo:"
[17:24] <rogpeppe> natefinch: yes, that's definitely the down side
[17:24] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it does make for more churm
[17:24] <rogpeppe> natefinch: but i still think it's worth it
[17:25] <rogpeppe> natefinch: (and i have thought about this quite a bit when making similar changes)
[17:25] <natefinch> rogpeppe: and the problem is that no one is actually thinking about what the error message says or means. For example, to fix that test, I just copied what the new text is from the error and pasted it into the regex. That's not really making our code or tests better.
[17:26] <natefinch> rogpeppe: imagine if we decided to change how tags print out, so now they print out as "tag: foo/0" ... we'd have thousands of broken tests.
[17:26] <rogpeppe> natefinch: when you did that, i hope you asked yourself the question "does this error accurately and reasonably represent the error that's being tested for?"
[17:27] <rogpeppe> natefinch: yes we would
[17:27] <rogpeppe> natefinch: but if we changed the representation of tag.String we'd have lots of other issues too
[17:29] <natefinch> rogpeppe: but there would be 1000 failing tests that are failing because they're testing something they don't actually care about. certainly there are places that care what tag's String() function outputs... but that's not the only tests that would fial.
[17:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: yes, it's a tradeoff
[17:30] <rogpeppe> natefinch: but i don't see a better alternative
[17:30] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: checking for specific error types (a la os.IsNotExist and errors.IsNotFound)
[17:31] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: so every different error message should have its own error type?
[17:31] <natefinch> rogpeppe: no, but they shouldn't all be effectively bare strings either
[17:31] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: arguably one for each equivalence class of error
[17:32] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: how do you decide that?
[17:32] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: through bikeshedding <wink>
[17:32] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: and adding hundreds of different error types is a serious maintenance burden
[17:33] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: unlike hard-coding checks for error strings ;)
[17:33] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: at least that's only in the tests and easily changed
[17:33] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: the problem with having error types is that they're a burden on every developer and need to be maintained as part of the API
[17:34] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: but often a given error might only have meaning within the context of a given implementation
[17:34] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: I'd argue that the errors you get *are* part of the API
[17:34] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: i agree totally
[17:34] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: and i think that any API should think very hard about the set of error types it exposes
[17:34] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: definitely
[17:35] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: which doesn't mesh well with tests that want to test internal functionality
[17:36] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: agreed, though often having to test internal functionality is a code smell
[17:37] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: regardless, as you said there are tradeoffs
[17:37] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: if you're aiming for high coverage, you have to do that in practice
[17:37] <rogpeppe> ericsnow: (and i think aiming for high test coverage is worthwhile)
[17:37] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: I'll leave it to katco to expound the higher plane that is dependency injection :)
[17:38] <ericsnow> rogpeppe: and I couldn't agree more about the importance of high test coverage
[17:38] <katco> quick, look over there!
[17:38] * rogpeppe looks at the pretty birdy
[17:38] <natefinch> I'm with roger on internal tests. I think they greatly increase the confidence you can have in your tests. They make writing tests immensely faster, and they prevent you from mangling your exported API just to support testing.
[17:39] <katco> does anyone remember what the environmental var is for tabular status?
[17:41] <rogpeppe> katco: maybe JUJU_CLI_VERSION=2 ?
[17:42] <rogpeppe> katco: (haven't tried it, just scanned the code)
[17:42] <katco> that works
[17:42] <katco> rogpeppe: ty
[17:42] <rogpeppe> katco: np
[18:08] <mup> Bug #1513165 opened: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>
[18:17] <mup> Bug #1513165 changed: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>
[18:19] <mgz_> katco: got a sec? bug 1512399
[18:19] <mup> Bug #1512399: ERROR environment destruction failed: destroying storage: listing volumes: Get https://x.x.x.x:8776/v2/<UUID>/volumes/detail: local error: record overflow <amulet> <bug-squad> <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512399>
[18:20] <mgz_> why does the autogenerated cinder stuff have "https://cinder.example.com" in it at all? can't it just have the path?
[18:20] <mup> Bug #1513165 opened: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>
[18:20] <mgz_> issue is the calling code overrides the host, but not the scheme
[18:21] <mgz_> so, it breaks if the endpoint is not https
[18:23] <mup> Bug #1513165 changed: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>
[18:26] <mup> Bug #1513165 opened: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>
[18:32] <natefinch> katco: "Pull request successfully merged and closed. You’re all set—the natefinch:assign-worker branch can be safely deleted."
[18:41] <alexisb> mgz_, cherylj has been looking at lp 1512399
[18:41] <mgz_> alexisb: it's easy to fix, it's just katco's autogenration code needs changing to take an endpoint rather than do this weird overriding
[18:42] <mgz_> wanted to check with her before hacking it
[18:42] <alexisb> mgz_, ack
[18:42] <alexisb> I will stay out of it, thanks
[18:42] <mgz_> alexisb: no worries
[18:46] <katco> mgz_: natefinch: sorry was eating lunch
[18:46] <katco> natefinch: grats... feel like we should throw a party or something :p
[18:46] <natefinch> katco: right? :)
[18:46] <katco> mgz_: i believe axw has already modified the auto-generated code, so further modification is probably ok
[18:47] <mgz_> ...that's more like not okay then, unless he pull requested back to your repo?
[18:47] <mgz_> oh, or you mean he modified the generated file?
[18:48] <katco> mgz_: yes i think so
[18:48] <mgz_> yeah, seems like that... mehp, that make updating more annoying
[18:50] <mgz_> looks trivial
[18:50] <katco> mgz_: fwiw he asked first. we were both busy and i think the cinder project made some modifications that broke auto-generation w/o looking into it
[18:50] <perrito666> beautiful, this is what mongorestore says when file not found: don't know what to do with file
[18:50] <katco> mgz_: but yes, because of the layering approach, it should be very trivial :)
[18:50] <mgz_> katco: anyway, the code just needs to build urls in a sane way
[18:51] <katco> mgz_: should just have to modify protocol here: https://github.com/go-goose/goose/blob/v1/cinder/client.go#L25-L33
[18:51] <mgz_> an endpoint is not just a host, it's a scheme+host+path that you then append a path to
[18:51] <katco> mgz_: still, just need to modify that 1 function
[18:52] <katco> mgz_: and that's not even auto-generated code. that's goose
[18:52] <mgz_> katco: just + req.URL.Scheme = endpoint.Scheme in SetEndpointFn works for the bug as reported, but that code is still wrong
[18:52] <katco> mgz_: modify the path in the same place
[18:52] <mgz_> the auto gen code should append paths to the endpoint
[18:53] <mgz_> and having hardcodes fake urls is ugly.
[19:07] <natefinch> katco, ericsnow_afk, wwitzel3: the tech debt bug to fix the tests: perrito666: nice error message
[19:07] <natefinch> lol wrong copy
[19:07] <natefinch> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3068/
[19:13] <natefinch> wwitzel3: why does the package_test.go file need a +build go1.3?
[19:13] <wwitzel3> the card said it did?
[19:14] <wwitzel3> I foobar'd my go install trying to install 1.2 so I could test the build flags
[19:15] <wwitzel3> so I'm playing with that right now, when I threw it at the bot through, it still didn't work, so I missed some
[19:15] <wwitzel3> natefinch: feel free to give it a try if you have 1.2
[19:15] <natefinch> wwitzel3: install go from source, it's easy and easy to switch versions
[19:16] <natefinch> (switching versions is just git checkout go1.2 and then make.bash)
[19:17] * natefinch just switched from 1.4 to 1.2 in like 10 seconds)
[19:21] <natefinch> wwitzel3: every file that imports github.com/lxc/lxd is going to have to be +build go1.3 ... and every file that imports anything those files
[19:24] <wwitzel3> natefinch: so if the file that imports lxd is go1.3, all the files in the lxd package still have to have it?
[19:24] <natefinch> ahahahahahahahahahaha ....
[19:24] <natefinch> oh shit
[19:25] <natefinch> wwitzel3: go 1.2 doesn't have a "go1.3" build tag implemented
[19:25] <natefinch> waity wait... no, that should still work
[19:25] <natefinch> nevermind, sorry
[19:25] <natefinch> screwing myself up
[19:26] <natefinch> wwitzel3: if you do go install ./... it'll independently try to build that package regardless of whether anything else imports it.
[19:32] <natefinch> wwitzel3: it's looking like probably all of the provider/lxd files will need // +build go1.3
[19:32] <wwitzel3> great
[19:33] <natefinch> wwitzel3: I have most of the changes on my local machine... haven't run tests which will also need it.
[19:35] <natefinch> > Directory: /home/nate/src/github.com/juju/juju/provider/lxd
[19:35] <natefinch> > Command: /home/nate/go/bin/go test ./...
[19:35] <natefinch> > Output:
[19:35] <natefinch> ? github.com/juju/juju/provider/lxd [no test files]
[19:35] <natefinch> > Elapsed: 0.131s
[19:35] <natefinch> > Result: Success
[19:35] <natefinch> Success!
[19:35] <ericsnow> cherylj: PTAL: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3067/
[19:36] <natefinch> wwitzel3: running a full compile of test code now, but I think I got everything
[19:37] <natefinch> hmm.....
[19:37] <natefinch> I bet just having github.com/lxc/lxd in dependencies.tsv is going to be a non-starter
[19:37] <natefinch> katco: ^
[19:48] <natefinch> wwitzel3: I'm getting some wacky compile errors in environs/bootstrap
[19:48] <natefinch> a bunch of these:
[19:48] <natefinch> ./bootstrap_test.go:79: cannot use env (type *bootstrapEnviron) as type environs.Environ in function argument:
[19:48] <natefinch> *bootstrapEnviron does not implement environs.Environ (wrong type for Bootstrap method)
[19:48] <natefinch> have Bootstrap(environs.BootstrapContext, environs.BootstrapParams) (string, string, environs.BootstrapFinalizer, error)
[19:48] <natefinch> want Bootstrap(environs.BootstrapContext, environs.BootstrapParams) (*environs.BootstrapResult, error)
[19:49] <cherylj> ericsnow: can you give me a quick explanation of what the bug was about?
[19:49] <ericsnow> cherylj: Go 1.5 disallows packages named "internal" from being used outside the package tree they are in
[19:50] <cherylj> oic
[19:50] <natefinch> it's a feature! ... just not one we intended to be using ;)
[19:56] <natefinch> wwitzel3: I pushed a bunch of my changes here : https://github.com/natefinch/juju/tree/lxd-provider-flags
[20:04] <perrito666> ericsnow: I thought I should share the hapiness with you http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/3261
[20:04] <ericsnow> perrito666: nice! :)
[20:04] <perrito666> old restore is no more
[20:04] <perrito666> and CI is now using the new one which is faster
[20:05] <ericsnow> yay
[20:05] <perrito666> and, works flawlessly on HA
[20:19] <davecheney> can someone please review this to unblock me
[20:19] <davecheney> https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/170
[20:19] <davecheney> it's fairly uncontraversial
[20:21] <mgz_> davecheney: well, I disagree
[20:21] <mgz_> but fine
[20:22] <mgz_> the reason it's stalled is because this bullshit change-it-everywhere-or-nowhere problem
[20:22] <mgz_> there's no reason that our deps shouldn't change apart from people want to keep lock-step on them
[20:22] <mgz_> which is then... why are they even seperate github projects
[20:23] <mgz_> and this is not going to be different when the big-bang v2 change has happened
[20:24] <mgz_> people wanting to get a new fix in utils for a stable branch are going to cope
[20:24] <mgz_> there's no utils 1.24 or 1.25 at present
[20:27] <davecheney> mgz_: yaml.v1/2 is only renferenced from one file in juju/utils
[20:27] <davecheney> called trivial.go
[20:27] <davecheney> which contains one function
[20:27] <davecheney> WriteYAML
[20:27] <davecheney> i'm going to move that function back into juju/juju where it is used
[20:27] <davecheney> and end this madness
[20:27] <davecheney> and yes, i agree taht this upgrade everything at once thing is bullshit
[20:27] <mgz_> but the project is called utils! lets just stuff everything in there :)
[20:28] <davecheney> i hold that as prima facie evidence that putting version numbers in your import paths is a mistake
[20:28] <davecheney> i agree, creating a package called utils is bad enough
[20:28] <davecheney> then a repository called utils is asking for it
[20:28] <davecheney> at atlassian to try to counteract this we created a jar called 'bucket'
[20:29] <davecheney> so people would feel embaressed about using classes from it
[20:29] <davecheney> it didn't work, we ended up with bucket2
[20:29] <natefinch> davecheney: the problem is not version numbers in your import paths, its that we don't care about backwards compatibility in those branches, and we use godeps in addition for some BS busywork on top of it just for kicks
[20:30] <davecheney> objection!
[20:30] <davecheney> this is an unrelated argument
[20:30] <davecheney> yaml.v1 and yaml.v2 _ARE_ different
[20:30] <davecheney> it says so right in their name
[20:30] <natefinch> davecheney: yes
[20:30] <davecheney> the problem is one we have created for oursleves where we _WANT_ to think of them as the same
[20:31] <davecheney> so there is no argument about backward compatability
[20:31] <davecheney> if you want them to be backwards compativle, they'd have the same major version number
[20:31] <davecheney> according to the rules of gopkg.in
[20:31] <natefinch> davecheney: sorry, I was thinking more of our own repos, charm.v5 etc
[20:31] <davecheney> don't even get me started on v6-unstable
[20:32] <natefinch> lol
[20:32] <natefinch> yes
[20:33] <davecheney> and yes, i have no idea why we use godeps _and_ gopkg.in versioned import paths
[20:33] <davecheney> the fact that we have to do both says that neither of those alone is a workable solutin
[20:34] <natefinch> davecheney: honestly, the problem s till seems to be godeps. that code doesn't expose yaml objects through its api, and I presume the yaml output is valid whether it's v1 or v2 of goyaml.
[20:34] <mgz_> katco: I'm going to murder the autogen-ness of this cinder stuff. The current upstream wadl doesn't make working code, and if we're not syncing we're not gaining anything for the pain of using this.
[20:34] <katco> mgz_: that's fine
[20:34] <natefinch> davecheney: so why do we even care if some helper function uses yaml.v2 instead of v1?
[20:34] <davecheney> natefinch: beacuse we have tests in juju that look for a precise string match
[20:34] <mgz_> katco: I pr'd some changes I needed to test, diff I get is http://paste.ubuntu.com/13105359
[20:35] <davecheney> v2 changes the string form, and handling of empty keys
[20:35] <natefinch> davecheney: well I think I know where the problem lies :/
[20:36] <davecheney> you get $0 for pointing out that our tests are fragile
[20:36] <natefinch> aww
[20:36] * natefinch was ranting about gc.ErrorMatches earlier
[20:36] <mgz_> natefinch: the problem is not godeps, we have lots of code that depends on how json is handled, and it's part of our api stability contract
[20:37] <mgz_> which we're already not good on.
[20:38] <natefinch> mgz_: ....and there were tests that were failing because we changed how we handled stuff in this function....?
[20:39] <davecheney> natefinch: in this case, how yaml is rendered to the client
[20:39] <mgz_> not in dave's current case, that's just an error message change, but the charm stuff is scary
[20:40] <davecheney> there is also that yaml.v2 changes the handling of fields/map keys with empty values
[20:41] <davecheney> wow, worker/meterstatus/state.go:
[20:41] <davecheney> 47: return errors.Trace(utils.WriteYaml(f.path, st))
[20:42] <davecheney> oh
[20:42] <davecheney> sorry
[20:42] <davecheney> that writeyaml doesn't return yaml
[20:42] <davecheney> it returns an error if it couldn't write
[20:42] <mgz_> eheh
[20:42] <waigani> review please: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3061
[20:43] * perrito666 ponders buying a paper book after some time
[20:43] <davecheney> thumper: wow, utils.WriteYaml has a huge concurrency failbomb
[20:44] <davecheney> prep := path + ".preparing"
[20:44] <davecheney> f, err := os.OpenFile(prep, os.O_WRONLY|os.O_CREATE|os.O_SYNC, 0644)
[20:44] <perrito666> davecheney: did you actually read the DK book about go? is it good?
[20:45] <davecheney> perrito666: nope, both my physical and ebook copies are still on order
[20:45] <davecheney> but it has been reviewed by the whole go team
[20:45] <davecheney> so if you were looking for _the_ word on go
[20:45] <davecheney> you could not do better than that book
[20:45] * perrito666 sends to sprint hotel
[20:48] <natefinch> davecheney: yeah, that writeyaml function is pretty awful
[20:48] <natefinch> davecheney: we have an atomic writefile somewhere
[20:52] <natefinch> (probably in a utils package somewhere ;)
[21:01] <thumper> menn0, waigani: boring rename branch http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3056/
[21:02] <waigani> thumper: swap you: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3061/
[21:02] <thumper> davecheney: I bet many of our tests have certain concurrency expectations
[21:02] <thumper> waigani: looking
[21:02] <waigani> thumper: woops, I reviewed that one yesterday, but didn't publish it
[21:14] <natefinch> wwitzel3: my branch now compiles (including tests) on go 1.2
[21:15] <wwitzel3> natefinch: nice, we should just use that then?
[21:15] <natefinch> wwitzel3: yeah. probably. I'll PR it
[21:15] <wwitzel3> natefinch: make the PR and I'll review :)
[21:17] <natefinch> wwitzel3: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3070/
[21:19] <natefinch> ericsnow, katco: super simple review to support go 1.2 in the lxd provider branch ^
[21:19] <thumper> waigani: "controller environment" vs "controller", I do think that it is worthwhile talking about both. Mark wanted the initial environment / state server environment to be called the "controller environment".
[21:19] <thumper> I have tried to do that in the places we talked about the other
[21:20] <thumper> the controller itself encompasses the whole thing (in my mind at least)
[21:20] <thumper> meaning the environment, and the machines and bits in that env
[21:21] <thumper> waigani: but I do take your point, and we should perhaps think a bit more on our language
[21:21] <thumper> at least grepping for "controller environment" shouldn't be too hard
[21:22] <ericsnow> natefinch: if you rebase against my lxd-fix-local-remote branch, you don't need to touch the instance and container/factory packages
[21:23] <natefinch> ericsnow: is that branch landing soon?
[21:25] <ericsnow> natefinch: not before we get the 1.3+ support we need
[21:25] <natefinch> ericsnow: well, this PR is so we don't need 1.3+ support
[21:25] <natefinch> )ish)
[21:25] <ericsnow> natefinch: just to trick the merge bot?
[21:26] <ericsnow> natefinch: strike that :)
[21:27] <ericsnow> natefinch: regardless, feel free to strip all the LXD-as-a-container code now rather than waiting for any of my code to land
[21:28] <katco> natefinch: how is this different from wwitzel3 's pr? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3064/
[21:28] <waigani> thumper: right. It's really about the concept we want to sell. "controller environment vs an environment in a controller" or just "controller vs environment". Either is fine, but we should consciously chose one and be consistent.
[21:28] <natefinch> katco: mine works ;)
[21:28] <wwitzel3> yeah
[21:28] <wwitzel3> lol
[21:28] <ericsnow> natefinch: also, I'm pretty sure we don't import github/lxc/lxd anywhere under provider/lxd so why is the build constraint needed there?
[21:29] <natefinch> ericsnow: transitive dependencies... since we're not building all the lxdclient code, the code that uses *that* code now won't compile
[21:29] <thumper> waigani: the tricky bit of this concept is that we have a controller that hosts environments, but also the controller environment that is the environment that contains the API server bits
[21:29] <waigani> yep
[21:30] <thumper> waigani: so I think I'm doing to defer changing these comments for now :)
[21:30] <waigani> okay, sure
[21:30] <ericsnow> natefinch: meh, I meant solve that a different way but that would be worse than sprinkling the build constraints all over :)
[21:32] <natefinch> ericsnow: you could make fake implementations of the lxdclient stuff for go1.2... but I think this actually might be ore clear and less real work. Really didn't take long, and it'll be trivial to undo (even if it does touch a lot of files... it's just one line per file).
[21:32] <ericsnow> natefinch: right; not worth it
[21:36] <waigani> thumper: But I do think it's worth thinking about. AFAICS, fact that a controller is an environ is implementation detail to support the API - as you say. It shouldn't be confusing the language we use to describe the overall design.
[21:36] <thumper> except it shows up whenever we talk about "all environments"
[21:36] <thumper> and environment commands work on the controller
[21:37] <thumper> I definitely agree that it is worth thinking about
[21:44] <waigani> thumper: I think it comes down to implementation details vs design. Are those details leaking into the design? If so, do we separate them (e.g. never speak of a "controller environment", rename env cmds on the controller to controller cmds) or do we update the design (e.g. always talk about "controller environment").
[21:45] <natefinch> katco, ericsnow: I think we need to talk about dependency injection for the purpose of testing, re: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3021/#comment18995
[21:45] <thumper> I don't think so... I think it depends a lot on context
[21:45] <thumper> you are either talking about the controller environment, and dealing with environment *things*
[21:45] <katco> natefinch: it's been queued for awhile. i have half an hour if everyone else does
[21:45] <thumper> or you are talking about the controller in a hosting capacity
[21:45] <thumper> the controller environment doesn't host environments
[21:46] <natefinch> katco: I have 15 minutes, which is probably not going to be enough. Tomorrow?
[21:46] <thumper> but talking about environment things on the controller doesn't make sense really either
[21:46] <katco> natefinch: tomorrow is meeting day for me =/
[21:46] <natefinch> katco: I'm willing to sacrifice my 1:1 time to talk about this. I think it's worthy.
[21:47] <katco> natefinch: we can do that if everyone is available
[21:47] <waigani> thumper: ah okay. In a similar way you could talk about a controller machine?
[21:47] <thumper> I'm not sure you would...
[21:48] <thumper> you may talk about an API server machine
[21:48] <thumper> but a controller machine doesn't really make sense
[21:48] <waigani> so what do we call what we use to call the state server machine?
[21:48] <thumper> a machine in the controller environment is ok...
[21:48] <ericsnow> katco, natefinch, wwitzel3: I'm game
[21:49] <thumper> personally I tend to still call them state server machines
[21:49] <katco> ericsnow: natefinch: wwitzel3: invite in the mail
[21:49] <thumper> :)
[21:49] <waigani> haha
[21:49] <natefinch> thumper, waigani: FWIW, I think that "talking out loud" about the new names for things is a very good way to nail down gaps in the vocabulary, and exposes places where names may be misleading.
[21:50] <natefinch> like state server machine :)
[21:50] <thumper> agreed
[21:50] <thumper> definitely think it needs a new name :)
[21:50] <thumper> like: Bob
[21:50] <waigani> lol
[21:50] <natefinch> +1 ship it
[21:50] <thumper> I used to use Eric all the time, from Eric the Viking
[21:50] <thumper> but I feel I have to stop that now that we have ericsnow
[21:51] <natefinch> way to mess it up ericsnow
[21:51] <ericsnow> mwahaha
[21:51] <thumper> ericsnow: how about you change your name?
[21:51] <thumper> perhaps "snowman"
[21:51] <cherylj> ericsnow: for this branch: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3067/ Did you just do a rename for internal to private?
[21:51] <ericsnow> nah :)
[21:51] <ericsnow> cherylj: yep, that's it
[21:53] <natefinch> snowman sorta sounds like the codename for a mobster
[21:53] <cherylj> ericsnow: it's just showing up in a not-clear way in RB and github. Like it shows that you modified something in internal/client/unitfacade.go, but it doesn't show that you deleted any of the old files
[21:53] <thumper> natefinch: haha
[21:54] <ericsnow> cherylj: yeah, GH is confused and RB isn't helpful when it comes to renames
[21:54] <natefinch> I heard he snowed someone just for looking at him wrong.
[21:54] <cherylj> bleh. fun.
[22:08] <ericsnow> cherylj: in case it helps, I rebased that PR so GH is showing the changes correctly now
[22:10] <cherylj> ah yeah, that helps
[22:10] <cherylj> ericsnow: there were just a couple things
[22:10] <ericsnow> cherylj: thanks
[22:12] <mup> Bug #1513236 opened: Cannot build trusty armhf with go1.2 on from master <armhf> <blocker> <go1.2> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513236>
[22:25] <thumper> who loves shitty rename branches? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3072/diff/#
[22:26] <ericsnow> katco: FYI, I have the payloads-into-master patch up
[22:29] * ericsnow raises hand
[22:30] <katco> ericsnow: nice :)
[22:48] <katco> ericsnow: go ahead and merge your payloads branch into master
[22:48] <ericsnow> katco: k
[23:01] <ericsnow> katco: alas, master is blocked
[23:01] <katco> ericsnow: doh
[23:10] <davecheney> katco: ericsnow this may very well be an upstream bug
[23:10] <davecheney> looking at the ci dashboard
[23:10] <ericsnow> davecheney: k
[23:10] <davecheney> no builds for the crypto repo have run on arm for months
[23:10] <davecheney> and the go team turned off build faiure notifications a while back
[23:11] <davecheney> so yeah, there is that
[23:11] <davecheney> let me quickly check something
[23:11] <ericsnow> davecheney: thanks
[23:12] <davecheney> builds on go 1.5
[23:12] <davecheney> we might have to chalk this one up to go 1.2 being unsupported
[23:12] <davecheney> katco: please unblock the build
[23:12] <davecheney> we cannot fix this
[23:12] <davecheney> it is blocked on other work which has been scheduled
[23:13] <davecheney> but has not reasonable ETA that can be used to unblock the build
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.285138
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Shawn_",
"alexisb",
"anastasiamac",
"axw",
"cherylj",
"davecheney",
"ericsnow",
"frankban",
"frobware",
"fwereade_",
"jam",
"katco",
"menn0",
"mgz_",
"mup",
"mwhudson",
"natefinch",
"perrito666",
"rogpeppe",
"thumper",
"voidspace",
"waigani",
"wallyworld",
"wwitzel3"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23juju-dev.txt",
"channel": "#juju-dev"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-convergence
|
[03:44] <elimisteve> Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-convergence-qa
[03:44] <elimisteve> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[03:45] <elimisteve> ^^ Error I'm getting. Anyone get this, too?
[03:45] <elimisteve> from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22640/convergence-qa/
[11:57] <popey> elimisteve, join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[13:55] <Mirv> ok so if someone wnats to join the hangout, feel free to start up https://plus.google.com/events/c4rl28824pjdubk89ovm2p6279g
[13:56] <Mirv> mhall119: isn't that 'event' url the one people can use if they want to join to the video call?
[13:59] <mhall119> Mirv: yes
[13:59] <mhall119> and the video url is the youtube one
[13:59] <Mirv> thanks
[14:00] <Mirv> questions with QUESTION: prefix
[14:00] <tsdgeos_web> i'll listen
[14:04] <mhall119> QUESTION: 5 years is a long time to stay on the same version of Qt, has there been any discussion of adding it to the list of things we will upgrade in LTS point releases without using a PPA?
[14:08] <mhall119> I'm asking more for desktops than phones
[14:09] <tsdgeos_web> QUESTION: Wouldn't it make more sense to aim for Qt 5.6 that is also going to be an LTS so it's a good match?
[14:09] <jrjrtgerg> if qt has a good test suite, than backporting it should be easier now with the new SRU procedure
[14:09] <mhall119> tsdgeos_web: Qt does LTS releases?
[14:09] <tsdgeos_web> mhall119: Qt 5.6 will be the first
[14:09] <jrjrtgerg> backporting point releases I mean
[14:09] <mhall119> tsdgeos_web: brilliant
[14:10] <vitimiti> Hi
[14:11] <jrjrtgerg> if we know it's going to be an qt-LTS we can start shipping the beta.. thoughts?
[14:12] <jrjrtgerg> anyone know how long the QT5.6 LTS is supported for?
[14:15] <jrjrtgerg> QUESTION: what can we (the community) do to help land qt5.5?
[14:15] <jrjrtgerg> oh, what's the bug link?
[14:16] <Mirv> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting
[14:17] <vitimiti> KITTY
[14:17] <tsdgeos_web> a cat! the internet is happy!
[14:19] <vitimiti> hahahaha
[14:21] <vitimiti> I will test it
[14:21] <tsdgeos_web> QUESTION: For the phone, have we investigated in having two sets of Qt available so that old apps don't break but new apps can use newer Qts?
[14:21] <vitimiti> I'm on xenial, anyway, I will add the PPA now
[14:22] <vitimiti> BTW: using the webbrowser-app is gorgeous right now, I'm only missing the ability to download files with it
[14:24] <jrjrtgerg> I don't see the networking bug you referred to.. on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=OPINION&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=IN
[14:24] <jrjrtgerg> COMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.tag=qt5.5&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branche
[14:24] <jrjrtgerg> s=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on
[14:24] <vitimiti> With the ci-train-ppa-service/landing-012 PPA I'm getting an upgrade of 145 packages, and 3 packages removed (which are the calibre suit, basically)
[14:25] <sgclark2> we need 5.5 now really
[14:25] <yofel> we'll tell you if we need it, for now we need 5.5 asap
[14:25] <sgclark2> not yet
[14:26] <vitimiti> I'm upgrading to 5.5.1, when I'm done I'll reboot and try it out :3
[14:26] <tsdgeos_web> jrjrtgerg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.5
[14:27] <tsdgeos_web> jrjrtgerg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1508945
[14:27] <vitimiti> QUESTION: Since the PPA shouldn't delete pacakges, but calibre gets removed, where can I report it?
[14:27] <Mirv> thank you, I'm obviously here on IRC still
[14:27] <jrjrtgerg> thanks!
[14:28] <vitimiti> Mirv, where can I report the calibre suit being removed by the PPA?
[14:28] <Mirv> vitimiti: ah, no need to report, I've been working on these xenial packages for the last 3 days so some omissions are still there. but pyqt5 just finished building, I will push calibre and it should be hopefully ready for use within 1h!
[14:28] <Mirv> vitimiti: I'm aware of all private header using packages that need rebuilds
[14:29] <vitimiti> Mirv, oh, that's really nice, I'll reinstall it later, then
[14:36] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it's just a month late, no? https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-5.6-release
[14:36] <tsdgeos> it's not that terrible
[14:37] <Mirv> tsdgeos: well it's three months late from what they would want (Apr / Oct cycle) and what we would want, but only one month now late from what they considered "let's make late already beforehand"
[14:38] <Mirv> tsdgeos: but consider Qt 5.5 was out 1st of July and we still haven't managed to land that. by that example, we wouldn't land Qt 5.6 before April/May
[14:38] <Mirv> if it takes similar amount of time
[14:38] <tsdgeos> well we would need to put more effort into it, that's for sure :)
[14:38] <Mirv> so therefore the hardness to estimate 5.6
[14:39] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'd welcome that, but I fear people will have some extremely tight deadline comes January / February due to other priorities :) I'm happy if I find my fears unfounded.
[14:39] <tsdgeos> yeah there's always other "more pressing stuff"
[14:39] <tsdgeos> it seems
[14:42] <vitimiti> Hi again, on Qt 5.5.x
[14:47] <vitimiti> The global menu for QtCreator stopped working
[14:47] <vitimiti> It appears, until I click on a menu, then it disappears
[14:48] <vitimiti> But I still can use it through the Alt key
[14:49] <Mirv> vitimiti: thanks for testing! the desktop has been less tested than phone, please file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-qt5/ (and use tag "qt5.5") so that sil2100 can look into that
[14:49] <vitimiti> I will
[14:53] <BrianLinuxing2> Question: how stable (overall) do people feel the Ubuntuphones are? I saw one the other week and really liked it.
[14:55] <Mirv> BrianLinuxing2: if you buy a Ubuntu phone (Bq models currently, I think Meizu may have sold out), it's working pretty stable. I and certainly a lot of others are using it as my only phone, and it serves me well.
[14:58] <willcooke> hangout details updated in summit
[14:58] <willcooke> If you are joining the video: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH-spuCQ64ZSU22T5-bbBTyadsSoxk_ogT9vAXnTefcoiR-w?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
[14:58] <willcooke> seb128, ^^
[14:59] <vitimiti> Mirv, I am giving Qt version, lsb-release, qt-creator version, the PPA I'm using, uname -a and Unity version. Would I need anything else?
[14:59] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^^
[14:59] <Trevinho> willcooke: yep
[15:01] <cm-t> hi o/
[15:01] <vitimiti> Hi, cm-t
[15:02] <Mirv> vitimiti: just the problem description is pretty much enough, we can get the person behind appmenu-qt5 to test on his own machine
[15:02] <vitimiti> Nice, I'll post it now
[15:03] <willcooke> Just getting ready....
[15:03] <hikiko> hello
[15:04] <willcooke> For reference: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-1604-planning-sprint
[15:06] <mhall119> live!
[15:07] <Laney> u*o*s and not u*d*s
[15:10] <mhall119> QUESTION: will these be CLI/service snaps, or GUI/desktop snaps?
[15:10] <mhall119> \o/
[15:12] <core_apps_police> this session is only for the unity7?
[15:12] <mhall119> QUESTION: sorry, one more about snappy apps on the desktop, will these be run under confinement like phone apps, or unconfined like traditional desktop apps?
[15:12] <willcooke> core_apps_police, yeah, traditional desktop
[15:13] <jrjrtgerg> yea, let's not call it developer desktop... that seems odd
[15:15] <Trevinho> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <cm-t> Question, maybe didrock can anwnser: Does umake in long term, can be replaced by the regular snappy installer, or ?
[15:16] <uuart> QUESTION: it is hard to find unity 7 documentation (for example how to write scopes) because all the old links from askubuntu etc now go to unity 8 docs. will this be fixed so it's still possible to write unity 7 scopes?
[15:16] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: There will be any change to the default apps?
[15:17] <mhall119> uuart: it's still possible, but since it's doing away as soon as we can make it go away, we're not really encouraging people to invest in it
[15:18] <willcooke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BigDesktopBugScrub
[15:18] <core_apps_police> uuart: that's quite true... difficult to find documentation on that
[15:18] <Laney> the incoming list should be triaged
[15:18] <Laney> by nominating to the "X" series
[15:18] <Laney> then it goes to rls-x-...
[15:19] <Laney> rls-x-tracking?
[15:20] <uuart> mhall119: but it is not going away until 2019! my desktop is using the dash every day and i am not able to customise it because all the docs are for a thing i will not be running for at least two and a half years
[15:21] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, going with 5.1 ...
[15:21] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[15:21] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[15:21] <mhall119> QUESTION: willcooke, I floated the idea a while back of upgrading Unity 7 to use the new Scopes API, have you been able to evaluate the work required to do that to see if it's feasible?
[15:21] <willcooke> thx Sweet5hark
[15:22] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/python/Unity-7.0.html very old API docs for Unity 7 scopes
[15:22] <mhall119> but no longer tutorials for it
[15:22] <didrocks> cm-t: also, I plan to be able for ubuntu make to create snappy package in a headless environment. That way, we will deliver directly snaps to user (if the license enable us of course to redistribute the software)
[15:22] <didrocks> willcooke: FYI ^
[15:23] <Sweet5hark> seb128, willcooke: ... also LibreOffice will ship with a new default icon theme (breeze instead of human) -- this is already done on xenial as of now ;)
[15:23] <CheeseBrg> Will the deb version of Ubuntu move to Unity8?
[15:24] <CheeseBrg> anytime in the future
[15:24] <kyrofa> CheeseBrg, eventually, but not xenial
[15:24] <cm-t> didrock: Cool. Thank
[15:24] <mhall119> willcooke: thanks, that's what I expected
[15:25] <mhall119> QUESTION: we have an emoji font on the phones, will that be available on the desktop? (saw someone ask on G+ a few days ago)
[15:25] <cm-t> +1
[15:26] <vitimiti> +1, too
[15:26] <mhall119> everyone wants that poop emoji
[15:26] <mhall119> :)
[15:26] <vitimiti> hahahaha
[15:26] <cm-t> 🙊
[15:27] <Trevinho> 👍
[15:28] * mhall119 no longer has an optical drive
[15:28] <ahoneybunn> o/ balloons
[15:31] <balloons> ?
[15:32] <ahoneybunn> balloons: I'm on lunch break
[15:32] <uuart> QUESTION: can there be emoji support on the ubuntu desktop? (colors, a way to type them easily, use emojione set of icons)
[15:33] <kyrofa> QUESTION: Will empathy be replaced with something then?
[15:33] <kyrofa> Or are we just removing chat altogether?
[15:34] <CheeseBrg> ^
[15:34] <kyrofa> Because I certainly use it
[15:34] <kyrofa> And I like the integration
[15:34] <Laney> Install it from the archive, none of that is going to go away
[15:34] <jrjrtgerg> QUESTION: additionally will empathy be removed from main?
[15:35] <kyrofa> Laney, I'm not worried about it going away, I just thought the social apps were important by default
[15:35] <Laney> Not so much these days
[15:35] <Laney> Like the popular ones stopped working with third party IM clients
[15:35] <jrjrtgerg> pidgin is still in main, btw
[15:35] <seb128> kyrofa, they are, but if they don't support the services users are using it's not useful
[15:35] <seb128> jrjrtgerg, yeah, but that depends on gtk2...
[15:35] <uuart> (sorry mhall119 I didn't see your question... i'd like to see colours, and an emoji panel to pop up when in text fields)
[15:36] <kyrofa> seb128, makes sense, thank you
[15:36] <Laney> because of telepathy-haze -> libpurple
[15:36] <cm-t> 2questiin about emoji: Read them (cf phone,s font) and type them
[15:37] <seb128> is that different?
[15:38] <CheeseBrg> So is the Gnome Software Center going to be the base for the new Ubuntu Software OR is it just a temp solution?
[15:39] <cm-t> yes, reading just need a font, typing need a keyboard (hardware or software) layout
[15:39] <cm-t> seb128
[15:39] <CheeseBrg> QUESTION: So is the Gnome Software Center going to be the base for the new Ubuntu Software OR is it just a temp solution?
[15:39] <uuart> just a font means that emoji are in black and white only :(
[15:39] <cm-t> so reading easy to release, typing, more complex
[15:40] <willcooke> CheeseBrg, it will be *the* solution
[15:40] <CheeseBrg> willcooke:What does that mean?
[15:41] <Laney> It will be the program to use to install software
[15:41] <willcooke> CheeseBrg, GSC will be the software centre
[15:41] <nommy> have you looked into app grid like Ubuntu MATE is using?
[15:41] <willcooke> nommy, I think AppGrid is closed source
[15:41] <mhall119> it is
[15:41] <CheeseBrg> willcooke: Ok.
[15:41] <kyrofa> I say leave flash off. Firefox will take care of prompting
[15:41] <nommy> it's bsd or mit
[15:42] <mhall119> oh, well it used to be proprietary
[15:42] <kyrofa> Encourage its death
[15:42] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: I will be able to reinstall my purchased apps with the Gnome Software Center?
[15:43] <CheeseBrg> Thats what I was wondering. So Unity8 will have its own software center. Thus the Gnome Software Center is a Unity7 solution
[15:44] <Trevinho> CheeseBrg: yep
[15:44] <Laney> So's everything we talk about here
[15:44] <mhall119> thanks everyone
[15:44] <cm-t> Thanks
[15:45] <CheeseBrg> So for the new Unity7 Software Center, do paid for apps need to be snaps? If not, what is the method to upload new apps or is that disabled?
[15:46] <core_apps_police> Hope I can reinstall the games, if not it was just wasted money?
[15:46] <willcooke> core_apps_police, they'll still work on 14.04
[15:46] <willcooke> core_apps_police, but yeah
[15:46] <seb128> core_apps_police, in any case software-center is not going away, it's still in the archive and you can keep using it
[15:47] <willcooke> I would imagine that app devs would want to move to snap packaged apps, it makes their lives easier
[15:48] <CheeseBrg> willcooke: And the new store will support snap apps?
[15:48] <willcooke> CheeseBrg, yeah
[15:48] <willcooke> CheeseBrg, well
[15:48] <willcooke> there will be a Snap store which can be browsed/installed via the GSC
[15:49] <willcooke> and on U8 there will be only a snap store via the scope
[15:49] <CheeseBrg> So all current apps in the app store needs to be repackaged as snaps
[15:49] <CheeseBrg> the paid for apps I mean
[15:51] <willcooke> CheeseBrg, eventually, yes.
[15:52] <CheeseBrg> OK
[16:00] <tedg> Hmm, not even getting the countdown on the webpage.
[16:01] <stephenw_> mhall119, I think I need some help here
[16:01] <kenvandine> i think hangouts are busted right now... i can't get to anything
[16:01] <tedg> kenvandine: You broke all of hangouts instead of just the camera this time!
[16:01] <kenvandine> indeed
[16:02] <tedg> Time for the beauty classes.
[16:02] <kenvandine> :)
[16:02] <stephenw_> please stand by
[16:04] <balloons> give me libertine or give me death!
[16:04] <stephenw_> I'm not on my usual computer
[16:05] <dobey> balloons: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375920/?ref_=nv_sr_1
[16:05] <alecu> balloons: lol
[16:05] <dobey> balloons: spoiler: it's mostly death anyway
[16:06] <bregma_> ahhhh
[16:06] <bregma_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdyXtsUdGtOgUj6Ep80kY_CMNDiEtC6ujxIY07Y1XAQR2YIIA?hl=en-GB&authuser=0 for those who want to join
[16:06] <balloons> dobey, alecu "He didn't resist temptation. He pursued it. "
[16:07] <alecu> the temptation to run deb packaged X apps on snappy?
[16:07] * balloons realizes it all makes sense now. It's a Johnny Depp movie
[16:07] <mhall119> stephenw_: sorry, I was away, do you stillneed help with the hangout?
[16:09] <alecu> I keep refreshing, and I still can't see the stream in the summit page
[16:09] <balloons> bregma_, we can't see you yet
[16:09] <mhall119> bregma_: what's the youtube URL?
[16:10] <alecu> bregma_: in the summit page, click on "Edit hangout details": http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22609/supporting-legacy-applications-on-ubuntu-personal/
[16:11] <balloons> working on it now :-)
[16:11] <kyrofa> Ah!
[16:11] <kyrofa> Working now
[16:11] <mhall119> I've updated summit
[16:11] <mhall119> bregma_: stephenw_: you're good to start
[16:11] <justCarakas> we see you
[16:11] <mhall119> balloons: ^^
[16:12] <tedg> Oh, heard people in the other room. Back! :-)
[16:12] <mhall119> yes you're live now
[16:12] <kyrofa> bregma_, you've been good for a while now
[16:12] <balloons> bregma_, you are good to go
[16:13] <dobey> running emacs on your fridge
[16:14] <mhall119> vim for fridges!
[16:14] <mrQ_> snappy for all
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> LibreOffice compiles for room heating!
[16:14] <dobey> rice krispies go in the pantry, not the fridge
[16:16] <mrQ_> so we can use apt-get install on personal?
[16:16] <dobey> no
[16:16] <mhall119> QUESTION: will libertine apps be confined from each other, or just from non-libertine parts of the system?
[16:16] <mrQ_> oh
[16:17] <tedg> mhall119: They'll be in each container, there can be multiple per distro series or other archive.
[16:17] <mrQ_> so how do you install gimp?
[16:17] <mrQ_> snappy install gimp?
[16:17] <dobey> the front end app for libertine
[16:17] <tedg> mrQ_: libertine-launch apt-get install gimp
[16:17] <mrQ_> oh x2
[16:17] <tedg> mrQ_: Though long term there'll be a GUI
[16:17] <dobey> you can run apt-get inside the container, but not the host personal system
[16:17] <mrQ_> so you can use apt-get install
[16:18] <mrQ_> ok, i see
[16:18] <mrQ_> thanks
[16:18] <mhall119> "enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot" :)
[16:19] <mhall119> Libertine: makes mixing snappy and deb as easy as mixing analogies
[16:19] <kenvandine> legacy app support has landed in content-hub
[16:19] <mhall119> kenvandine: I was that video recently, cool stuff
[16:19] <kenvandine> so the apps in the container could show up in the peer picker as destination
[16:19] <tedg> Kinda, it's more like mixing a margarita and an elephant.
[16:20] <kenvandine> that landed this week :)
[16:20] <mhall119> kenvandine: how about as the requester? Can gimp use content-hub to get images to edit?
[16:20] <kenvandine> no
[16:20] <mhall119> planned?
[16:20] <kenvandine> that would require changes to the apps
[16:20] <kenvandine> no
[16:21] <mhall119> you don't want to apply ugly hacks to GtkFileChooser?
[16:21] <tedg> Yeah, I mean if someone in the community wanted to create a patch for GTK we'd be happy if someone built that and made it installable. But this is designed to be enough to limp.
[16:21] <kenvandine> no
[16:21] <kenvandine> it would be terrible :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> and not all apps use that
[16:21] <tedg> So you'd be able to write to a folder and have content hub find that.
[16:22] <mrQ_> oh x3
[16:23] <dobey> bregma_: i think you have yourself selected so other people talking don't get focused in the hangout
[16:23] <mhall119> can someone un-click bregma_ so we can see who's talking?
[16:23] <mzanetti> bregma_, can you please focus the video
[16:23] <balloons> bregma_, indeed, click Chris so we can see it
[16:23] <kyrofa> All I see is bregma
[16:23] <dobey> yeah, ChrisTownsend's video is very small
[16:23] <balloons> poor guy
[16:23] <tedg> kyrofa: Heh, a dream or a nightmare ?
[16:23] <kyrofa> There we go
[16:24] <kyrofa> tedg, :D
[16:24] <justCarakas> it is not in focus
[16:24] <justCarakas> now it is
[16:24] <justCarakas> :p
[16:24] <mhall119> video is in focus, but not playing
[16:25] <tedg> jdstrand: For instance things that require system level services won't work for instance.
[16:25] <tedg> jdstrand: I'd expect most "leaf applications" to work.
[16:25] <mhall119> screen recording apps I assume won't work
[16:25] <mrQ_> so the legacy apps are running on xmir?
[16:25] <mrQ_> in a container
[16:25] <dobey> mrQ_: yes
[16:25] <tedg> mhall119: They'd work for recording something in the same XMir ;-)
[16:25] <mrQ_> dobey: thanks
[16:26] <mhall119> true, which means only themselves if I understand bregma_ correctly
[16:26] <tedg> mhall119: As long as you change you're definition of "work" we're good ;-)
[16:26] <mhall119> tedg: yeah, I've tried that with my boss, it's not that easy :)
[16:26] <mhall119> so what's going on with this video?
[16:27] <alecu> yo dawg, you are about to watch a youtube video inside a hangout streamed thru youtube, so you can youtube while you hangout while you... tube, or something.
[16:27] <dobey> mhall119: you don't like staring at a paused youtube video in a hangout?
[16:27] <mrQ_> can we have the link to the video?
[16:27] <balloons> bregma_, ChrisTownsend are we going to play the video or?
[16:27] <mhall119> dobey: that's my new definition of "work" :)
[16:27] <tedg> I hope that one day, we'll all be able to use the web through Google Hangouts.
[16:27] <balloons> bregma_, we're staring at a blank youtube page
[16:27] <mrQ_> it doesn't load all the video
[16:28] <mhall119> ChrisTownsend: did you put it into fullscreen?
[16:28] <tedg> ChrisTownsend: I think you've selected the browser but not the full screened window.
[16:28] <tedg> ChrisTownsend: You need to select the window after making it full screen.
[16:29] <mhall119> no, we can see the video fine
[16:29] <balloons> it's locked to his video
[16:29] <mrQ_> omg just give us the link :D
[16:29] <balloons> bregma_, had it locked
[16:29] <mhall119> well now it's unlocked :/
[16:29] <mzanetti> :)
[16:29] <dobey> can we get some designers to fix hangouts so people can understand how to use it? :)
[16:29] <tedg> Technology sucks.
[16:29] <mhall119> technology \o/
[16:29] <mrQ_> enchanche url
[16:29] <mrQ_> got it
[16:30] * tedg can't wait to get the video via cassette tape
[16:30] <mrQ_> lol
[16:30] <balloons> LOL
[16:30] <mhall119> so what is the difference between libertine and puritine?
[16:30] * dobey sends tedg a betamax version
[16:30] <mzanetti> awesome :D
[16:30] <mrQ_> wat?? what is puritine?
[16:30] <mhall119> QUESTION: so what is the difference between libertine and puritine?
[16:30] <ChrisTownsend> Yeah, didn't realize that the fullscreen had to be selected.
[16:30] <mrQ_> yes
[16:31] <mrQ_> QUESTION: can you share the youtube link?
[16:31] <ChrisTownsend> Sorry 'bout that.
[16:31] <mhall119> you can un-select chris now
[16:31] <tedg> Heh, it's fun to watch ChrisTownsend
[16:32] <kyrofa> ChrisTownsend, strike a pose
[16:32] <tedg> Dance developer, dance!
[16:32] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[16:32] <ChrisTownsend> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtjTwJsfdJU
[16:32] <mrQ_> THANKS
[16:32] <mrQ_> ChrisTownsend: thanks
[16:32] <mhall119> bregma_: so is puritine like a proof of concept or reference implementation of libertine?
[16:33] * tedg is very excited
[16:33] * mzanetti too
[16:33] <balloons> QUESTION: How can we try this out for ourselves?
[16:33] <balloons> QUESTION: Will this work for games or graphically intensive apps?
[16:33] <justCarakas> QUESTION what if I have an app that doesn't work with it, will it be fixed or only the big programs
[16:33] <mhall119> read: Steam
[16:34] <tedg> balloons: It'll depend on the app, but for the most part XMir pulls the GL through directly to Mir. So for instance the WebGL aquarium demo worked well.
[16:34] <balloons> QUESTION: How can we report bugs or provide feedback should we try it out after the session?
[16:34] <tedg> justCarakas: Probably Canonical will have a set of applications that it supports, but as people have problems we'd be happy to work with them to get their fixes and problems addressed.
[16:36] <mhall119> QUESTION: for apps that are .deb packaged but will run in Mir, can those run in libertine without X11?
[16:36] <mhall119> QUESTION: and the opposite, an app that needs X11 but can be snap packaged, can those use libertine?
[16:37] <tedg> mhall119: Yes, we have an explicit desktop file key that needs to be set.
[16:37] <mhall119> tedg: you should be on the hangout answering these :)
[16:37] <tedg> mhall119: Yes, we have an explicit desktop file key that needs to be set :-)
[16:38] <tedg> Ah, well, you won't have a DISPLAY variable depending on the Desktop file :-)
[16:39] <dobey> mhall119: do multi-windows apps like gimp and such, work well on mir?
[16:39] <mhall119> dobey: not yet, but they're working on that
[16:40] <tedg> jdstrand: It should just work if you add a "stage-packages: xmir"
[16:40] <tedg> jdstrand: You'll get quite a bit added to your snap. But "should work"
[16:43] <balloons> QUESTION: Any issues with devices? For instance, will my USB connected devices be ok? Can I scan, print, provide input without worry?
[16:44] <mrQ_> balloons: has a question
[16:44] <mrQ_> ^^
[16:46] <tedg> Yeah, I can't imagine that we'd be able to support HW access.
[16:46] <balloons> QUESTION: Any integration plans between the container and unity8 besides content hub? Or can we expect access issues like this with HW
[16:46] <mrQ_> i guess it will be easier to just use a VM for legacy apps
[16:47] <balloons> QUESTION: is networking done via bridge or ?
[16:47] <dobey> tedg: how am i going to run the windows app in wine that i need to talk over a serial port? :)
[16:47] <tedg> dobey: MS will sell you a Slate ;-)
[16:47] <mrQ_> xmir wine exe
[16:47] <dobey> tedg: i'll charge it to your card :)
[16:48] <dobey> tedg: and be sure to only use it with your wifi network, so it doens't upload my wifi passwords to the open internet ;)
[16:48] <tedg> dobey: That's a feature!
[16:49] <tedg> "Upload to NSA"™
[16:49] <mrQ_> QUESTION: from where can we download Ubuntu Personal and how can we install it?
[16:49] <mrQ_> there is one question
[16:50] <kyrofa> mrQ_, video is a little delayed :)
[16:50] <mrQ_> oh x4
[16:50] <mrQ_> thanks kyrofa :D and all
[16:50] <mrQ_> nice session
[16:51] <balloons> thanks for the session guys!
[16:51] <tedg> Thanks bregma_ ChrisTownsend jdstrand tyhicks !
[16:51] <ChrisTownsend> Thanks!
[16:52] <balloons> seems more fun to grill you from IRC I suppose
[16:52] <tedg> Now to watch ChrisTownsend 's video :-)
[16:54] <tedg> Love the recommended videos from this one.
[16:55] <balloons> I'm definitely watching the wedge cake video
[16:55] <ChrisTownsend> Wha???
[16:58] <tedg> ChrisTownsend: Cool progress on the GUI app.
[16:58] <ChrisTownsend> tedg: Thanks:)
[17:43] <thecoder15> yes just in time
[17:59] <tsdgeos> Unity8 session starting in ~1 minute
[18:00] <tsdgeos> Ok, let's go for it
[18:01] <tsdgeos> https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[18:04] <horses_o> is start?
[18:04] <tsdgeos> should
[18:04] <tsdgeos> i'm speaking
[18:04] <horses_o> very cool
[18:05] <CheeseBurg> I see nothing
[18:05] <horses_o> i'm wathing your
[18:05] <horses_o> yes black video but soon
[18:05] <horses_o> ChanServ: tsdgeos speaking
[18:05] <horses_o> in video
[18:05] <horses_o> soon
[18:05] <tsdgeos> can you see the video?
[18:05] <tsdgeos> or just audio?
[18:05] <chucka> I see and hear nothing
[18:06] <horses_o> none is just a black rectangle
[18:06] <CheeseBurg> nothing
[18:06] <horses_o> with a starting soon text
[18:06] <horses_o> Starting soon...
[18:06] <tsdgeos> technical problems
[18:07] <tsdgeos> mhall119: any help? it says live but people can't see me
[18:07] <horses_o> turn camera on
[18:07] <horses_o> is black becose camera is not on
[18:07] <mhall119> tsdgeos: what's the youtube URL?
[18:07] <horses_o> is over :(
[18:07] <tsdgeos> ok
[18:07] <CheeseBurg> oh no
[18:07] <tsdgeos> i'll create another one
[18:07] <horses_o> ok, then see you twomorow
[18:07] <horses_o> bye
[18:07] <mhall119> horses_o: it's not over
[18:07] <horses_o> no?
[18:08] <horses_o> oh
[18:08] <mhall119> horses_o: just technical difficulties
[18:08] <horses_o> is start?
[18:08] <horses_o> i think i hear sounds
[18:08] <mhall119> horses_o: working on it
[18:08] <horses_o> ok
[18:08] <CheeseBurg> The stream is over but the loading thing is still spinning
[18:09] <horses_o> unity8 is better than wayland
[18:09] <tsdgeos> ok give me a minute, should be on air at http://youtu.be/NblPnHrA1YQ soon
[18:09] <mhall119> refresh the page to get the new video
[18:10] <chucka> I can see video after refreshing
[18:10] <icblnk> I can see the video as well
[18:10] <horses_oO> i see now
[18:10] <horses_oO> video
[18:10] <CheeseBurg> REFRESH WORKS
[18:10] <horses_oO> and hear keyboard
[18:11] <tsdgeos> https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[18:12] <horses_oO> QUESTION: why unity8? what was wrong with unity7?
[18:13] <mhall119> lots
[18:13] <mhall119> X11 == no confinement
[18:13] <mhall119> compiz == requires X11
[18:13] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/unity8/
[18:14] <mhall119> compiz + nux == hard to develop and contribute to
[18:14] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: I used the unity8 ppa on a virtualbox but it just freezes at login. Is that because of the drivers?
[18:14] <horses_oO> canot compiling unity7 with mir?
[18:14] <horses_oO> i see
[18:21] <horses_oO> QUESTION: can compile unity8 on 14.04?
[18:21] <tsdgeos> no
[18:21] <horses_oO> 14.10?
[18:21] <tsdgeos> no, see https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[18:21] <tsdgeos> for the support
[18:22] <horses_oO> only 15.04 and 16.04
[18:22] <horses_oO> i not understand
[18:22] <horses_oO> QUESTION: why not compile on 15.10?
[18:23] <horses_oO> is not 15.10 the supported ubuntu now?
[18:23] <mhall119> horses_oO: not on devices, they are still on 15.04
[18:23] <horses_oO> QUESTION: what is ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay ?
[18:24] <horses_oO> isn't 15.04 unsuported in 2 month?
[18:25] <mhall119> not for devices
[18:25] <kyrofa> horses_oO, phones will be using vivid for a while yet
[18:25] <horses_oO> still not understand, can compile unity8 on 15.10?
[18:26] <mhall119> no, 15.10 is missing dependencies
[18:26] <horses_oO> but 15.10 is the current ubuntu and 15.04 is dead soon
[18:26] <horses_oO> ok, thanks
[18:26] <horses_oO> understand
[18:26] <mhall119> unity 8 was never supported on 15.10
[18:26] <horses_oO> but how to develop?
[18:27] <mhall119> it was supported on 15.04 and will be on 16.04
[18:27] <horses_oO> install 15.04?
[18:27] <horses_oO> i have 15.10
[18:27] <mhall119> horses_oO: that's a good question to ask tsdgeos
[18:28] <tsdgeos> you need either 15.04 or xenial or a cheroot of those
[18:28] <horses_oO> what is chroot?
[18:29] <tsdgeos> it's explained in the page i linked
[18:30] <horses_oO> tahnks reading
[18:30] <h4ck3r> Chroot is an operation that changes the apparent root directory for the current running process and their children. A program that is run in such a modified environment cannot access files and commands outside that environmental directory tree. This modified environment is called a chroot jail.
[18:31] <horses_oO> so is safe to install 16.04 chroot
[18:31] <horses_oO> ok
[18:31] <mhall119> horses_oO: it's a bit like a container, only more lightweight
[18:32] <horses_oO> reading chroot link from doc, this is complicated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[18:32] <mhall119> so you could make a directory that contains a 16.04 install, then execute the build process in side that directory, with i thinking the directory is the whole system
[18:33] <horses_oO> i understand
[18:33] <h4ck3r> the directory act as FS
[18:33] <horses_oO> the chroot documentation from unity8 page is very old is for lucid
[18:33] <horses_oO> is working also on 15.10?
[18:34] <mhall119> tsdgeos: ^^ we should get that updated
[18:34] <tsdgeos> agreed
[18:38] <horses_oO> oh qml looks script, easy
[18:39] <horses_oO> how long to compile unity, not have strong PC
[18:40] <josharenson> horses_oO: depending on what you mean by "not strong"... I can't see it taking more than 30 min
[18:40] <horses_oO> pentium 4
[18:41] <horses_oO> QUESTION: unity8 runs faster than unity7 on not strong pc?
[18:42] <thecoder15> is this ovelr
[18:43] <thecoder15> over
[18:43] <h4ck3r> what is difference between unity8 and unity8-lxc
[18:43] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8
[18:44] <horses_oO> h4ck3r: what is unity lxc?
[18:44] <tsdgeos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/Checklists/Unity8
[18:46] <kyrofa> h4ck3r, I believe unity8-lxc allows you to run unity8 within LXC
[18:46] <h4ck3r> im on ubuntu 15.10 and i have searched for unity8 installation in this i got answer in form of installing unity8-lxc i dont kno what really it is
[18:46] <josharenson> horses_oO: Just timed it as I needed to do a clean build... I have a core i5 w/ 8gb ram and it takes me ~5 minutes to do a clean build (with 3 jobs -j3) and thats with a bunch of chrome tabs open and streaming this talk
[18:47] <h4ck3r> i think so
[18:47] <horses_oO> josharenson: woa you have strong computer
[18:47] <josharenson> horses_oO: :-)
[18:47] <h4ck3r> code link for unity8?
[18:47] <horses_oO> 5 min is very fast
[18:47] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/unity8/
[18:48] <horses_oO> 5 min wait to open firefox :))
[18:48] <tsdgeos> ok, end of video for me
[18:48] <tsdgeos> i'll hang around for a few more minutes in case somebody has any more question i missed
[18:50] <horses_oO> omg the unity8 code is so unintentionaly obfuscaded due to all the corner cases requierd for convergence that's not even... funny
[18:50] <horses_oO> nice session 10/10
[18:51] <horses_oO> udsbotu: is over
[18:51] <horses_oO> udsbotu: the video is close
[18:52] <tsdgeos> horses_oO: appreciate your comment :)
[18:52] <horses_oO> thanks :D
[18:52] <horses_oO> udsbotu: is over not 3 minutes
[18:52] <udsbotu> horses_oO: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:52] <horses_oO> oh
[18:52] <horses_oO> now i feel stupid
[18:52] <horses_oO> talking to the irc bot
[18:53] <horses_oO> :((
[18:53] <horses_oO> bye udsbotu
[18:54] <tsdgeos> Ok, dinner time for me
[18:54] * tsdgeos waves
[19:01] <LarreaMikel> no ubuports session?
[19:06] <justCarakas> QUESTION can you tell a good joke to fill the time
[19:08] <LarreaMikel> Good to see Marius! I have been following his work on the opo forums
[19:13] <LarreaMikel> The video is frozen.... the sound is ok
[19:13] <LarreaMikel> ok
[19:15] <LarreaMikel> QUESTION: What about the updates?
[19:15] <LarreaMikel> the video is ok
[19:16] <LarreaMikel> yes canonical updates
[19:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: How much works on the CM version of Ubuntu touch?
[19:18] <ahayzen> mariogrip, can you post the links into the etherpad ?
[19:19] <Sarang> Lol sorry
[19:21] <Sarang> I like flashing other Os like sail fish and Ubuntu so what do you think it will get a bit stable? This month?
[19:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch working on the OPO with things like calling working be your christmas gift to the world? ;P
[19:25] <iz_late_> :((
[19:27] <LarreaMikel> QUESTION: if someone tries to port using this CM base, do he have to host something in a personal server??
[19:27] <Sarang> Yes you are right Wi-Fi calling is much more important than GPS I barely use GPS once a month
[19:28] <iz_late_> i turn GPS off and tape the camera on android
[19:28] <iz_late_> i'm 90% sure i have NSA in android
[19:29] <Sarang> I vote for one plus one :)
[19:30] <LarreaMikel> will prefer to see ubuntu touch in a xiaomi device... mi4c for example would be great
[19:30] <iz_late_> why not kickstart porting ubuntu on phones?
[19:31] <iz_late_> EXCLAMATION: let's kickstart ubuntu porting
[19:32] <iz_late_> !
[19:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl> We have a pateron
[19:34] <wdehoog> QUESTION: I tried to port to Galaxy Tab 2 (P3110). Unfortunately nothing happens after flashing. No debug log at all. How can I proceed?
[19:34] <iz_late_> i live in moldova, i can store the money here
[19:34] <iz_late_> hehe
[19:35] <iz_late_> ChloeWolfieGirl: link?
[19:35] <wdehoog> yep is empty
[19:35] <mariogrip> https://wiki.ubports.com/w/Bug_report
[19:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl> https://www.patreon.com/ubports?ty=h
[19:36] <iz_late_> thanks ChanServ
[19:36] <iz_late_> ChloeWolfieGirl: sorry
[19:36] <iz_late_> thanks
[19:38] <wdehoog> you are right. it is not empty. but it shows nothing from my kernel.
[19:39] <wdehoog> QUESTION: how can we build the same image s you have?
[19:39] <Sarang> Talk about what you wanna talk about we will listen for Ubuntu
[19:39] <LarreaMikel> maybe canonical could support this project...
[19:40] <iz_late_> QUESTION: how do you like Ubuntu "Touch"? and do you think it needs added in the future
[19:40] <LarreaMikel> would be interesting to achieve more devices ported
[19:40] <iz_late_> QUESTION: what can Canonical do to help you in porting Ubuntu?
[19:40] <Guest69756> Is this a daily driver?
[19:41] <iz_late_> QUESTION: what are your favorite ubuntu native apps?
[19:42] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Personally my faves are Telegram and podbird they're are amazing
[19:43] <iz_late_> ChloeWolfieGirl: telegram2 runs so smooth <3
[19:43] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: When will you only use ubuntu touch for you phone and have you tried telegram v2 its so much better :P
[19:44] <iz_late_> :D
[19:45] <Guest69756> Can we install Google apps on UbuntuTouch phone?
[19:45] <G_to_the_W> Yes
[19:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Do you think you'll port to alot of cheaper devices such as ones that are around 2 years old or a few expensive new phones?
[19:45] <iz_late_> Guest69756: yes but it's silly
[19:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Guest69756: depends not native apps no
[19:45] <iz_late_> Guest69756: and i will not tell you how
[19:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Guest69756: you can use most if not all there services though
[19:46] <iz_late_> i like mariogrip :D
[19:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mariogrip is cool :P
[19:46] <iz_late_> such cool and smart
[19:47] <Guest69756> There are certain apps which I absolutely need on daily basis. If it supports Gapps, it good to know.
[19:47] <G_to_the_W> Do you think time is of the essence? Ubuntu announced convergence years ago when they tried to sell through kicksarter. Now they will be surpassed by Windows' continuum
[19:48] <iz_late_> time and timing is everything
[19:51] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Ubuntu touch on the OPO is the one I use the most but I need to keep my Xperia t around till everything works on the OPO
[19:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Sent you the click ;P
[19:52] <ahayzen> http://telegram.org/ :-)
[19:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> That makes sense :3
[19:55] <Guest69756> Is this a daily driver now on OPO?
[19:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Guest69756: nope doesn't do calls, camera, headphones yet
[19:56] <Guest69756> Alright thanks
[19:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Guest69756: welcome :P
[19:59] <wdehoog> thank you as well
[19:59] <Guest69756> Thank you for all of your hard work.
[19:59] <deyannn> Thanks for summarizing! I missed like 50 minutes of this session!
[20:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> And telegram groups :P
[20:00] <deyannn> Thanks for the work on this one!
[20:00] <iz_late_> thanks mariogrip! best session today
[20:01] <ahayzen> thanks for the interesting session mariogrip :-)
[20:03] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Is there a port for the new Nexus Google 5c etc ?
[20:05] <_Ridgewing> What is the nick of the presenter on youtube ?
[20:07] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: ping
[20:14] <_Ridgewing> The video is fine on youtube .
[20:26] <_Ridgewing> What channel are they using ?
[20:27] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: ping
[21:19] <mhall119> _Ridgewing: pong
[22:28] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: All ok now, cheers.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.305464
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BrianLinuxing2",
"CheeseBrg",
"CheeseBurg",
"ChloeWolfieGirl",
"ChrisTownsend",
"G_to_the_W",
"Guest69756",
"Laney",
"LarreaMikel",
"Mirv",
"Sarang",
"Sweet5hark",
"Trevinho",
"_Ridgewing",
"ahayzen",
"ahoneybunn",
"alecu",
"balloons",
"bregma_",
"chucka",
"cm-t",
"core_apps_police",
"deyannn",
"didrocks",
"dobey",
"elimisteve",
"h4ck3r",
"hikiko",
"horses_o",
"horses_oO",
"icblnk",
"iz_late_",
"josharenson",
"jrjrtgerg",
"justCarakas",
"kenvandine",
"kyrofa",
"mariogrip",
"mhall119",
"mrQ_",
"mzanetti",
"nommy",
"popey",
"seb128",
"sgclark2",
"stephenw_",
"tedg",
"thecoder15",
"tsdgeos",
"tsdgeos_web",
"udsbotu",
"uuart",
"vitimiti",
"wdehoog",
"willcooke",
"yofel"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-convergence.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-convergence"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-community
|
[13:16] <_Ridgewing> jose: Have you heard of PlayCanvas on Ubuntu ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml1_lQ1z4lI
[13:16] <_Ridgewing> popey: ^
[13:17] <popey> hm?
[13:17] <jose> me? I haven't
[13:17] <jose> I'm in class, but will check when I get home in an hour
[13:18] <_Ridgewing> popey, It was a click package for games . also being discussed here -> https://redd.it/3rdk07
[13:30] <popey> _Ridgewing, yeah, I posted it on twitter and G+ last night
[13:30] <popey> there's a reply from me in that thread from 11 hours ago :)
[13:30] <popey> It looks great!
[13:32] <_Ridgewing> popey, Ok, no probs - Looking forward to the session.
[13:42] <_Ridgewing> popey, Thank-you for guiding me to the funding page! - I asked for $30 for a years work. Not much, but I am happy to help out where I can
[13:52] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: are we getting ready (?) - and more importantly , can we join in again, like yesterday ?
[13:56] <dholbach> hey hey
[13:58] <_Ridgewing> dholbach: Are you ready in 2 mins for the stream ?
[13:58] <dholbach> I am :)
[13:58] <dholbach> hey dpm
[13:58] <dpm> hey hey
[13:58] <dholbach> here to join today :)
[13:58] <dpm> setting up the hangout now
[13:58] <dpm> yay!
[13:59] <_Ridgewing> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-community-roundtable-ii
[14:00] <dpm> thanks _Ridgewing
[14:00] <_Ridgewing> dholbach: Ready? 'cos the countdown timer has ended.
[14:00] <dpm> dholbach, and anyone wanting to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdK-btAvxswMpRyialQFVHspZ0XE-Q2otOPpNv00oMWLkN4gw
[14:00] <dholbach> _Ridgewing, almost there - just a minute :)
[14:00] <_Ridgewing> k
[14:03] <dholbach> broadcasting now! :)
[14:04] <dholbach> do you have any questions or anything you'd like to discuss?
[14:04] <dholbach> or if you want to join the hangout....... let us know :)
[14:04] <dholbach> you're all invited
[14:05] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-community-roundtable
[14:07] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/108331279007926658904
[14:07] <_Ridgewing> opening ... cheers.#
[14:11] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/107299007624972266094
[14:12] <jose> will join in a bit
[14:15] <dholbach> cool
[14:27] <dholbach> any more questions or feedback or topics you'd like to discuss?
[14:34] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Social
[14:37] <dholbach> popey, let's work on that together
[14:37] <popey> sure!
[14:43] <cm-t> Ill spam #convergence from our ubuCon :P
[14:44] <cm-t> nexus4 with 2m screen
[14:46] <dholbach> :-)
[14:47] <cm-t> common leak some dates, you're just on live trhought internet
[14:48] <dholbach> :)
[14:49] <Mister_Q> I'm sitting here with my bluetooth keyboard and mouse and my slimport but I'm waiting for my Nexus 7 to arrive but amazon dont like me today . the website says its already delivered :(
[14:50] <cm-t> the wait is long, i had same feeling last week waiting for my slimport;)
[14:59] <cm-t> Thanks
[15:00] <_Ridgewing> thanks everyone. \o/
[17:48] <YoBoY> hi
[17:49] <Mister_Q> YoBoY: hi :)
[18:01] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfYU3cYqe3IVXHtR2kv-fTZmPM3oLiwIbPEk5bgQ_W_g6NGzA
[18:01] <dpm> for anyone wanting to join the hangout
[18:01] <svij> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-ubucon-europe-planning
[18:02] <dpm> thanks!
[18:04] <sturmflut> Hey guys :)
[18:04] <svij> sturmflut: oh no not you again ;)
[18:04] <cm-t> by the way, i see a nice haircut over there
[18:04] <Mister_Q> QUESTION: why does svij look even better than usual ? :D
[18:05] <cm-t> ↑↑↑↑
[18:05] <svij> LOL
[18:11] <zonov_roman> Hello, everyone!
[18:11] <Jonathan___> Universities are slooow at making decisions :I
[18:12] <Jonathan___> Having technical troubles right now :D
[18:13] <zonov_roman> Strange things with IRC - I can open link only with anonymizer. Strange, that our (Russia) government blocks IRC chat...
[18:13] <Jonathan___> What do you mean by more than 2-3 days?
[18:14] <svij> Jonathan___: we're thinking about extending with an extra program
[18:14] <svij> we'll coming to that point later
[18:14] <Jonathan___> Alright!
[18:15] <zonov_roman> How I can join talk?
[18:15] <svij> zonov_roman: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfYU3cYqe3IVXHtR2kv-fTZmPM3oLiwIbPEk5bgQ_W_g6NGzA
[18:17] <Jonathan___> The biggest room is for ~150-200 ppl w/ chairs, the others are designed for ~30-40
[18:17] <Jonathan___> Hopes are, that not everybody stacks in one room :)
[18:17] <zonov_roman> Thanks
[18:17] <svij> Jonathan___: thanks!
[18:22] <Jonathan___> Essen is the ninth biggest city in .de ;)
[18:26] <cm-t> in paris, for food, we made a fair price of 2€, the rest of the price is "sponsored" by ubuntu-fr itself
[18:31] <cm-t> ubuntu-fr could pay for the full meal, but we don't want people think "it's free, i can waste"
[18:31] <cm-t> 2€ is symbolic price
[18:32] <Jonathan___> Well, the University is not crowded so much at a Saturday or Sunday. ;) Furthermore, it is important for the University, that the attendees can be recognized by e.g. a lanyard or otherwise.
[18:40] <cm-t> ubucontest should be at the ubucon of course
[18:40] <cm-t> the winner pay the beer
[18:40] <Mister_Q> +1^
[18:51] <Jonathan___> We're trying our best :I
[18:52] <cm-t> QUESTION: where do you think UbuCon Europe will happen in 2017, and why it will be Paris ?
[18:57] <svij> thanks everyone!
[18:57] <svij> and thanks Jonathan___ :)
[18:58] <Jonathan___> Thanks everybody :)
[18:58] <Mister_Q> thanks everybody !
[18:58] <svij> I'm even more motivated to put time into the ubucon now ;)
[18:58] <Jonathan___> So I'm off, going to write another e-mail to the professors about the current status of our application. ~.~
[18:59] <svij> Jonathan___: good luck!
[18:59] <Jonathan___> See you soon in Essen. :)
[19:02] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeZldCDNOW2d1jfIVaLkXnfGJcvp3OagTbtJLFKf3_EqNZzDg
[19:03] <dpm> for those wanting to join the session
[19:03] * svij joins the hangout
[19:04] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-ubucon-summit-organization
[19:06] <mhall119> o/
[19:07] <svij> o/
[19:07] <cm-t> o/
[19:08] <cm-t> Is there a wiki page, so we can understand the difference betwwen ubuCon and ubuCon summit ?
[19:09] <cm-t> Question: ↑
[19:09] <dpm> https://trello.com/b/9WhchzaT/ubucon-summit
[19:09] <popey> ta
[19:12] <balloons> oOo
[19:13] <mhall119> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/14x
[19:18] <svij> is there no central site for ubucon summit?
[19:19] <cm-t> and why the next will be in Europe
[19:22] <cm-t> QUESTION: I live far (europe for exampel while it happend in the USA) Can I find a way to sponsorise my travel cost?
[19:23] <svij> cm-t: Community Donations, I guess.
[19:24] <svij> as an ubuntu member
[19:25] * popey has never been to SCALE
[19:25] <dpm> cm-t, yes, community donations is the way to apply for sponsorship. We cannot guarantee that we can sponsor everyone, but we'll try to help a few community folks to attend. What I'd recommend,
[19:26] <dpm> is that if you are willing to attend, if you are willing to propose a session, that would help with sponsorship as well
[19:26] <popey> Quite fancy giving a talk or two.
[19:27] <svij> damn, need to talk to my future employer (startin in january…)
[19:29] <cm-t> Question: So ScaleX is an event, and ubucon summit will be an area of that event if I understand well ? (sorry I'm new to scaleX)
[19:29] <popey> Help us get more donations ;)
[19:29] <popey> *cough* http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute
[19:29] <mhall119> cm-t: yes, we'll have a couple of the SCaLE rooms at the convention center
[19:30] <cm-t> that makes sense
[19:31] <cm-t> thank for the anwser dpm :)
[19:32] <cm-t> and mhall119
[19:34] * balloons pokes his head back in
[19:47] <cm-t> Question: Is there a UbuCon logo ?
[19:47] <mhall119> cm-t: http://ubucon.org/
[19:48] <cm-t> I beleive the logo at http://ubucon.org/ will be reboot'ed with the new design ?
[19:48] <mhall119> maybe?
[19:48] <cm-t> (we are looking for a logo for "ubucon europe", could be cool if same idea in the logo
[19:51] <mhall119> an ubucon in Asia would be great
[19:52] <cm-t> +1, and Africa too I think ubuntu-tn are quite active
[19:53] <mhall119> morocco too I think
[19:54] <cm-t> any idea about the south ?
[19:54] <mhall119> south what?
[19:54] <cm-t> of africa
[19:54] <balloons> QUESTION: apologies if this was asked; how many ubucons per year are you looking for? Will the venues stay the same or change over the years?
[19:54] <cm-t> morroco and tunisia are both north
[19:54] <jose> I'll catch up later
[19:55] <mhall119> mauritius is very active, but they're not on the contident
[19:55] <mhall119> continent
[19:55] <mhall119> south africa I believe is active
[19:56] <cm-t> Thank
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.325404
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Jonathan___",
"Mister_Q",
"YoBoY",
"_Ridgewing",
"balloons",
"cm-t",
"dholbach",
"dpm",
"jose",
"mhall119",
"popey",
"sturmflut",
"svij",
"zonov_roman"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-community.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-community"
}
|
2015-11-04-#edubuntu
|
[04:29] <sufiplayboy> is there a way to convert an existing ubuntu vers (12) to edubuntu via the terminal?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.327823
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"sufiplayboy"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23edubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#edubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-touch
|
[05:21] <Guest42341> good morning all
[05:22] * Guest42341 such a beautiful day, today. great for science and such
[05:23] <khod> yes
[06:22] <elimisteve> greetings :-)
[06:31] <guest123124> i need coffee
[06:33] <guest123124> ☕☕☕
[10:13] * Mirv tries to get both phone and KDE on xenial work on the Qt 5.5.1 PPA before the Qt session in <4h :)
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Stress Awareness Day! 😃
[10:30] <abeato> tsdgeos, morning, could you give a try to the now updated silo 9? It should improve the freeze, although you will see it is not not 100% gone
[10:32] <tsdgeos> abeato: busy somewhere else, will try to have a look this afternoon
[10:32] <abeato> tsdgeos, great, thanks
[11:06] <victor_bq> does any body miss the keyboard pop up in r26?
[11:06] <victor_bq> I'm looking for people whose keyboard is not being shown
[11:07] <mcphail> victor_bq: happens to me at times
[11:07] <victor_bq> in all apps? just Ubuntu store?
[11:08] <mcphail> victor_bq: when it goes missing, it doesn't come back in any app until reboot
[11:08] <mcphail> victor_bq: has happened to me twice, but I haven't explored further
[11:11] <victor_bq> wow
[11:11] <victor_bq> take a look please https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1506753
[11:12] <victor_bq> that's right is where I attached some logs
[11:12] <victor_bq> is not critical but a little anoying :(
[11:13] <om26er> Hi! How can I programmatically check if I am on 3G or Wifi ? is there a command for that ?
[11:17] <mcphail> victor_bq: the bug report is not very well written, unfortunately, so I can't really +1 it as I don't know if my experience is the same
[11:18] <popey> om26er, does the qt connectivity api help?
[11:19] <om26er> popey, no, I am looking for something commandline/pythonic
[11:19] <popey> om26er, ahh, "nmcli d"
[11:21] <popey> om26er, should see a couple of lines (on bq) for the ril devices (two sims) and one for wifi
[11:21] <om26er> popey, thanks, that'll help
[11:21] <popey> om26er, also look at /proc/net/dev
[11:23] <popey> om26er, interested to know what you decide to use :)
[11:23] <om26er> popey, i'll probably go with with nmcli
[11:23] <popey> ok
[11:26] <zzarr> hello! is there a list of fixes for OTA-8?
[11:33] <guest123124> zzarr, https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww46-2015 ?
[11:33] <zzarr> thanks guest123124
[11:39] <Dragonkeeper> anyone know how to create a drop down menu in an app ?
[11:46] <oSoMoN> greyback_, hey, do you have an ETA for landing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/qtubuntu/ubuntuscreen-physicalsize/+merge/273965 ?
[11:46] <greyback_> oSoMoN: it's in silo21, which Saviq is handling
[11:46] <greyback_> oSoMoN: one last issue was found, fix in progress
[11:47] <Saviq> oSoMoN, will hopefully be QA Ready later today
[11:47] <oSoMoN> excellent, thanks guys
[11:47] <oSoMoN> that’s one huge silo
[12:13] <guest123124> hi, i have question
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> guest123124: ask
[13:16] <mhall119> Mirv: are you all set to host the Qt for 16.04 session in ~45 minutes?
[13:28] <Mirv> mhall119: otherwise yes, I just need to know if I need to do any setupping of hangout our if you will just give me an url 10 minutes before the session starts
[13:28] <Mirv> s/our/or/
[13:29] <mhall119> Mirv: it would be better if you set it up yourself, you have the access
[13:29] <mhall119> Mirv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions explains how to do it
[13:30] <Mirv> mhall119: ah, thanks for the link, the summit <-> wiki interlinking is not that heavy
[13:30] <mhall119> yeah, we've got some low-priority work items to improve that
[13:40] <wligtenberg> My scopes seem to hang when I move to the video scope. I cannot find a way to get it to work again, except for a full reboot. Does anybody know how to restart the scope thing?
[13:42] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, do you have big video files on your phone? I've been experiencing this earlier today, while copying a large video to the phone.
[13:42] <wligtenberg> @davidcalle I don't think so
[13:42] <wligtenberg> but let me check
[13:43] <davidcalle> jamesh, does it look like mediascanner stalling to you? ^
[13:44] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, to restart scopes, you can run "restart unity8-dash"
[13:45] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, it just restarts the scopes UI and should be enough to unlock you
[13:45] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: ok got to have the terminal in the shortcuts then :)
[13:46] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, right :)
[13:46] <jamesh> davidcalle: the mediascanner shouldn't be able to stop the dash UI from responding
[13:46] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: will do that now then :D, btw I have no videos on this device.
[13:47] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, ok
[13:47] <guest123124> last night i caught mediascanner eating my battery and i killed it
[13:47] <guest123124> twice
[13:48] <jamesh> guest123124: is that on a device with removable storage?
[13:48] <guest123124> jamesh, nope
[13:49] <wligtenberg> Aah, it is the Video scope
[13:49] <wligtenberg> with youtube stuff etc
[13:49] <jamesh> I'd be interested to know what it looked like it was doing
[13:50] <wligtenberg> I just swipe there, and it freezes
[13:50] <wligtenberg> I end up halfway there
[13:50] <wligtenberg> My guess it will be trying to pull stuff from the internet
[13:51] <Mirv> mhall119: was there some ubuntu overlay for the lower third?
[13:52] <Mirv> mhall119: nevermind, added logo plus color
[13:52] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, it does, but it shouldn't freeze for this, you should trying taking a short vid with the camera app, and see if it freezes again if the "My videos" scope (aggregated by the "Videos" scope) isn't empty.
[13:53] * davidcalle brb
[13:57] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: I did that, I see the new video in the top left of the Video scope, but it still freezes halfway, so I actually see it on the right of my screen.
[13:57] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: I did that, I see the new video in the top left of the Video scope, but it still freezes halfway, so I actually see it on the right of my screen.
[13:58] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: repeated in case you don't use something like irssi :)
[13:58] <davidcalle> wligtenberg, I don't :) Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce on my end
[13:58] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: I'm on a nexus4
[14:08] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: and when I deactivate the Videos scope, it happens on the Ubuntu store scope, which was before the Videos scope. So maybe it is trying to preload the next scope, and then the problem is in the next scope, not this one...
[14:09] <mcphail> Was there any news about timeframes for the phone to switch to snappy from the keynote yesterday?
[14:13] <wligtenberg> davidcalle: and then I disable another one and it moves to the one in front of the app store... weirdness
[14:36] <stripe> Hi all, do I need a ubuntu pc to install touch to a nexus 7 (2013)? (use debian on my pc's)
[14:44] <mcphail> stripe: i _think_ so, unfortunately
[14:45] <stripe> mcphail: thanks, will set it up on one of my servers :)
[15:32] <Mirv> vitimiti: thanks, I found your bug #1513098 an added the qt5.5 tag there!
[15:32] <vitimiti> Mirv, perfect
[15:34] <Mirv> vitimiti: oh and also, calibre is now there
[15:34] <Mirv> and built
[15:34] <vitimiti> Mirv, will try
[15:35] <vitimiti> Mirv, calibre-bin can't be installed
[15:35] <vitimiti> qtbase-abi-5-4-2 can't be installed
[15:37] <Mirv> vitimiti: did you apt update? that sounds like it's trying to install the old version
[15:37] <vitimiti> Mirv, hm, let me try
[15:43] <vitimiti> Mirv, done, it works, thank you
[15:45] <Mirv> vitimiti: you're welcome!
[16:03] <khod> Kenvandine everything going well so far pulling apart the flappy clone. I've removed the collision for the ground so it can be rode on, and fixed the jump and gravity to my liking........but how can i make something just jump and not fly?
[16:59] <stripe> hi all flashing a nexus7 (2013) \nd getting a "cant flash recovery image" error when trying to install touch, any ideas?
[16:59] <stripe> *and
[17:39] <geniewgen> Привет! Подскажите навигацию для toch
[17:40] <k1l> geniewgen: most guys in here read/write english so that would have better chances to get support.
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/more-fixes-added-for-ubuntu-touch-ota-8-495721.shtml
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> nice1 sil2100
[18:51] <dobey> ooh, we're going to get stable image numbers across devices? huzzah!
[18:52] <stripe> hi all, instaling to a 2013 nexus 7, now getting a "Cache formatting was not successful" error, anything I can do about it?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> stripe: wich channel did you install?
[18:53] <stripe> stable, the default from the wiki
[18:53] <geniewgen> RUS?
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> stripe: try devel-proposed for nexus7 mate
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> stripe: i run it myself
[18:55] <stripe> lotuspsychje: thanks mate, would that would read touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu ?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> stripe: yes
[18:56] <stripe> lotuspsychje: sweet, thaqnks man :)
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> stripe: works like a charm here, and seems best channel for the nexus7 too
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> stripe: did you buy it new? or 2nd hand?
[18:57] <stripe> lotuspsychje: I have had it since new, got it when first released,
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> stripe: ah just asking because heard roumors google stopped selling them
[18:58] <stripe> I have heard the same
[18:58] <dobey> stripe: did you have android 5.x on the device?
[19:00] <stripe> dobey: yes 5.1.1 I think, was up to date, just didnt go to 6 whith my other devices
[19:00] <dobey> stripe: reflash to 4.4.4, boot into android, reboot to fastboot, and then do ubuntu-device-flash with the --bootstrap option
[19:01] <dobey> the android 5.x recovery/kernel messes things up and ubuntu currently only flashes correctly if it had 4.4 on it
[19:01] <stripe> thanks dobey will try that
[20:07] <stripe> lotuspsychje: dobey cheers lads, just tried a different cable and a motherboard mounted usb port and it seems to be loading great now :) thanks very much
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> stripe: on devel-proposed?
[20:09] <stripe> sticking with stable till i learn the OS
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> ok
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> keep in mind devel-proposed might work better
[20:10] <stripe> lotuspsychje: will do, but until i learn how to fix things, lol
[20:58] <dobey> mardy: where is the source code for the actual UI that gets embedded in the gtk+ control-center on ubuntu-desktop images?
[21:24] <mterry> alecu, I have a couple apps that could implement IAP if you need more people to pilot it
[21:31] <alecu> mterry: that would be great, thanks! I'll add you to the lp team
[23:43] <uzgidebas> hi. i have a q
[23:43] <uzgidebas> is anyone tried to install ubuntu touch on iphone?
[23:45] <k1l> does the iphone have a open bootloader?
[23:45] <k1l> and where to get all the linux drivers then
[23:47] <uzgidebas> idk.. i wish if i can install linux on my iphone.. finally we have ubuntu touch/linux os
[23:47] <uzgidebas> but idk how :(
[23:48] <k1l> not possible. if you want a phone to flash other OS, never buy a iphone.
[23:52] <uzgidebas> :( iphone have iOS which is amazing... but i wish linux on my iphone... thx k1l, i must buy another cellphone then
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.346038
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Dragonkeeper",
"Guest42341",
"JamesTait",
"Mirv",
"Saviq",
"abeato",
"alecu",
"davidcalle",
"dobey",
"elimisteve",
"geniewgen",
"greyback_",
"guest123124",
"jamesh",
"k1l",
"khod",
"lotuspsychje",
"mcphail",
"mhall119",
"mterry",
"oSoMoN",
"om26er",
"popey",
"stripe",
"tsdgeos",
"uzgidebas",
"victor_bq",
"vitimiti",
"wligtenberg",
"zzarr"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-touch.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-touch"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-mir
|
[05:22] * Guest42341 such a beautiful day, today. great for science and such
[09:05] <RAOF> Saviq: Daily builds of Mir are available in ppa:mir-team/staging
[09:36] <zzarr> I just read the explanation why Canonical chose to create Mir instead of using Wayland and I completely agree with the decision. I knew in why earlier but not in the depth that I know now
[09:37] <zzarr> (not saying I got deep knowledge or anything, but deeper)
[11:42] <anpok> zzarr: how is your crome os thing coming along?
[11:43] <zzarr> anpok, I'm trying to install ubuntu in a chroot under arch linux which have gpu 3d acceleration
[11:44] <anpok> oh I thought you had a crome os rockchip board
[11:44] <zzarr> anpok, I have had alot to do so I haven't started with any freon -> mir wrapper, but I may do it
[11:45] <zzarr> anpok, I have a ASUS Chromebook flip with a rk3288 (rockchip)
[11:46] <zzarr> anpok, do you have a rockchip based device?
[13:36] <mzanetti> hey, is it possible to start a windowed Mir on top of X11?
[13:36] <mzanetti> like XMir, but the other way round
[13:38] <mzanetti> kgunn, ^
[13:53] <zzarr> anpok, would you like to start a project with me? (freon -> mir wrapper)
[14:03] <kgunn> mzanetti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsZ2jYUTqk
[14:04] <kgunn> that waht you mean ^
[14:04] <mzanetti> yes! :)
[14:11] <anpok> test
[14:11] <anpok> zzarr: nope .. just saw a few cheap and impressive rk boards
[14:13] <zzarr> ahh, okey
[14:13] <zzarr> seen this? http://www.cloudsto.com/products/android-mini-pc-s/new-rikomagic-mk68le-linux-edition-64-bit-octa-core-4k-ubuntu-linux-mini-pc-2gb-ram-16gb-flash-detail.html
[14:18] <anpok> oh arm64
[14:20] <zzarr> :)
[14:32] <zzarr> I wonder why it comes with Ubuntu 14.10 instead of 14.04 LTS
[18:39] <Saviq> RAOF, mirserer-dev needs a dependency on nettle-dev, otherwise nothing will build against it
[18:40] <Saviq> what's your process there?
[18:42] <bschaefer> Saviq, (no sure if you saw the message): https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[18:42] <bschaefer> i bumped it to xenial as well (so it has arm)
[18:43] <bschaefer> has trunk mir (which will turn into 0.18)
[18:43] <bschaefer> Saviq, also, the nettle-dev should be a depend in the ... deb stuff?
[18:43] <bschaefer> are you saying the pc file is missing it?
[18:43] * bschaefer thought we fixed that
[18:44] <Saviq> bschaefer, the .pc file has it
[18:44] <Saviq> bschaefer, but debian/control doesn't
[18:44] <Saviq> which means if you install libmirserver-dev, it's not usable (cmake complains mirserver isn't there, actually)
[18:45] <Saviq> but that's because it can't discern between that and missing .pc dependencies
[18:45] <bschaefer> Saviq, hmm i see it under the Source: mir ... nettle-dev
[18:45] <Saviq> bschaefer, yeah, I'm "fixing" the staging ppa
[18:45] <Saviq> bschaefer, not enough
[18:45] <bschaefer> that should have been in the main server branch change
[18:45] <Saviq> bschaefer, install libmirserver-dev, you need nettle-dev
[18:46] <Saviq> bschaefer, just try this: uninstall nettle-dev, `pkg-config --cflags mirserver`
[18:46] * bschaefer does
[18:46] <Saviq> (with Mir trunk, btw)
[18:47] <bschaefer> Saviq, hmm i dont see that but i dont have trunk installed as part of the archive
[18:48] <bschaefer> Saviq, i think the nettle depends gets pulled in from mir common
[18:48] <Saviq> bschaefer, basically, any dependency in .pc has to be replicated in debian/control
[18:48] <bschaefer> right, which i thought we had by adding nettle-dev to the Source: mir?
[18:48] <Saviq> bschaefer, no, that's a build dependency for Mir
[18:48] <Saviq> bschaefer, and the dependency in .pc is a "runtime" dependency of libmirserver-dev
[18:49] <Saviq> i.e. if you want to build anything against libmirserver-dev, you need nettle-dev, too
[18:49] <bschaefer> Saviq, o right yeah i see
[18:49] <bschaefer> i need to add that in the libmircommon
[18:49] <bschaefer> which should get pulled through to libmirserver
[18:49] * bschaefer double checks if the libmircommon that it is depending on
[18:50] <Saviq> which means libmirserver-dev needs a *runtime* dependency (Depends: under Package: libmirserver-dev, not Build-Depends: under Source: mir)
[18:50] <bschaefer> right
[18:50] * bschaefer broke to many things with that
[18:50] <Saviq> bschaefer, right, it might be going server → common → nettle, not sure
[18:50] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:50] <bschaefer> Saviq, let me get a branch out (but ill need to chase down the right sport)
[18:50] <bschaefer> spot*
[18:50] <bschaefer> thanks for poking about it :)
[18:50] <Saviq> bschaefer, but whichever .pc declares it, the package that ships that .pc needs a Depends on it
[18:50] <bschaefer> yup
[18:51] <bschaefer> was going to find which pc held the nettle depend
[18:51] <bschaefer> Saviq, looks like mir client
[18:51] <bschaefer> Requires.private: protobuf-lite >= 2.4.1, mircookie
[18:51] <bschaefer> the mircookie is what depends on the nettle
[18:52] <bschaefer> which is strange...
[18:52] <bschaefer> since the server doesnt depend on the client?
[18:53] <Saviq> that I don't know, but if that's ↑ from mirserver and mircookie deps on nettle, then mircookie-dev should depend on nettle-dev
[18:54] <Saviq> bschaefer, yup http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/view/head:/src/cookie/mircookie.pc.in
[18:54] <bschaefer> Saviq, the only issue, i dont see mirserver depending on the mir client
[18:54] <bschaefer> in the pc file
[18:54] * bschaefer checks the deb
[18:54] <bschaefer> Saviq, nm
[18:54] <bschaefer> i just cant read :)
[18:54] <bschaefer> Requires.private: mirclient
[18:55] <bschaefer> private requires
[18:55] * bschaefer adds to the libmirclient-dev the nettle-dev requirement
[18:55] <Saviq> bschaefer, yup
[18:55] <Saviq> bschaefer, not libmirclient-dev, libmircookie-dev
[18:56] <bschaefer> Saviq, i ... dont know why i haddent added that before...
[18:56] <Saviq> me neither ;)
[18:56] <bschaefer> Saviq, mixed up the source + the libmircookie part
[18:56] * bschaefer thought for some reason the source get propagated to the *-dev parts for w/e reason
[18:59] <bschaefer> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/mir/libmircookie-dev-needs-nettle/+merge/276688
[19:02] <Saviq> bschaefer, acked
[19:02] <bschaefer> Saviq, sorry about that!
[19:02] <Saviq> bschaefer, no need to be sorry :)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.363599
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Guest42341",
"RAOF",
"Saviq",
"anpok",
"bschaefer",
"kgunn",
"mzanetti",
"zzarr"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-mir.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-mir"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-ko
|
[00:25] <Work^Seony> 섬이라서 비싸기보단,
[00:25] <Work^Seony> 섬이라는 공간이 한정된 곳에 사람이 너무 많이 몰려서 비싸진 거죠...
[00:30] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇죠.
[00:30] <razGon_MINILA> 만재도는 싸것죠.ㅋㅋ
[00:30] <HolyKnight> ㅇㅎ
[00:34] <samahui_WS> 만재도 가서 여유롭게 낚시나 하고 싶군요... 아니면 제주도에서 휴가를 좀 즐기거나...
[00:34] <samahui_WS> 가장 하고 싶은건 하와이 이민이지만요 ㅎㅎ
[00:34] <samahui_WS> 아무튼 여유롭게 좀 살고 싶습니다
[00:34] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:35] <razGon_MINILA> 제주도에서 사시는 것도 괜찮을듯 싶은데요.
[00:35] <Work^Seony> 여기는 너무 여유가 넘쳐서, 복잡한 곳에서 살다오신 분들은 적응 못해서 다시 돌아가십니다
[00:35] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:35] <Work^Seony> 너무 할 게 없어서 불안하다네요
[00:35] <samahui_WS> 안그래도 아버님이 제주도로 사업체 하나 만들어서 옮겨가실 생각을 하고 계셔서 조만간 제주로 명절귀향하게 생겼습니다 ㅜㅜ
[00:35] <razGon_MINILA> 제가 공보의떄. 서울에서 나고 자란 치과선생은 전남 장성와서 힘들어함.
[00:36] <razGon_MINILA> 우울해하더군요.
[00:36] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:36] <samahui_WS> 확실히 도시 생활하다가 한적한 시골이나 지방 생활하면 좀 힘들죠
[00:36] <samahui_WS> 전 부산에 장기출장 갔을때 정말 힘들었어요... 한적한 시골은 아니지만 일도 서울보다 양이 적었고... 무엇보다 아는 사람이 저어서 만날 사람도 적고 함께 놀 사람도 없으니 정말 심심해서 미치겠더군요
[00:37] <samahui_WS> 덕분에 당시 온라인 게임과 콘솔게임기에 빠져 살았었죠... 그러다 이것도 아니다 싶어서 연애를 했었죠
[00:37] <samahui_WS> 확실히 새로운 지방에 가면 사람과 새로 사귀는게 가장 정신적으로다가 외로움을 이기기 좋더군요
[00:37] <Work^Seony> 여기도 그래요 ㅎㅎ 아니, 여긴 더 하죠. 술 마실만한데가 일찍 끝나니..
[00:37] <samahui_WS> 헐
[00:38] <samahui_WS> 지금은 자율인걸로 알지만 대학때까지는 야간에 영업을 못하기는 한국도 마찬가지였죠
[00:38] <samahui_WS> 그때 대전 궁동(유성)이나 다른 관광지로 놀러갔던 기억이 나네요
[00:38] <samahui_WS> 관광지만은 특례로 24시간 영업이 가능해서 많이들 갔었죠
[00:39] <samahui_WS> 요즘은 어딜가나 마실수 있지만... 마실 시간과 돈이 아깝다는... ㅎㅎ;;
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> 역시 돌파구는 여자.ㅋ
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> ㅋㅋㅋ
[00:39] <samahui_WS> 외국나가서 그나라 문화와 언어를 가장 빨리 배우는 방법도 연애죠
[00:40] <samahui_WS> 물론 예외도 있는게... 같이 나갔던 우리 직원은 여자를 만났는데 일본여자를 만나서 같이 영어는 폭망했다죠
[00:40] <samahui_WS> 미국가서 일본어를 배워오는 신기를 보여줬죠
[00:40] <samahui_WS> 물론 시간 지나면 다 영어도 하고 ... 덕분에 3개국어 능력자가 되었지만요
[00:41] <samahui_WS> 나중에 들은건데 일본처자가 저희 직원을 현지 동양인으로 알고 사귀기 시작했답니다. 그 친구도 영어 쉽게 배우려고
[00:41] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[00:42] <samahui_WS> 회의 댕겨올께요
[00:42] <Work^Seony> 다녀오세요
[00:44] <razGon_MINILA> ㅋㅋㅋ
[00:44] <razGon_MINILA> 다녀오세요.ㅎ
[00:45] <crixer> 혹시 vim 밑에 끼어들기, 비주얼 이런 메뉴라고해야하나요
[00:46] <crixer> 그 색 변경을 하려면 어떻게해야하나요? 노란색으로 나오는데 마음에 안드네요
[00:46] <autowiz_> 사마_휘 형님 , 굿 럭 ~~
[00:47] <crixer> 이게 테마때문에 노란색으로 나오는건가 킁..
[00:48] <crixer> 그나저나 zsh 쉘 정말 좋네요
[00:48] <crixer> bash보다 가벼운 느낌이고 컴파일할때 특정 헤더가 없으면 없다고 딱딱 알려주고 코딩할때 좋네요
[00:55] <Work^Seony> zsh 쓰기좋기로 유명하죠 ㅎㅎ
[00:56] <Work^Seony> 저는 bash에 워낙 적응해서 못바꾸지만, 쓰는 사람들은 극찬하는 쉘입니다 ㅎㅎ
[00:56] <Work^Seony> vim 어떤 색이요?
[00:58] <crixer> 코딩할때 밑에 insert 이런 옵션뜨잖아요 ㅎㅎ 그색이요
[00:58] <crixer> 그걸 정확히 뭐라고 표현해야할지 모르겠네요
[00:59] <Work^Seony> 보통 그거는 테마를 적용시키면서 바꾸긴 하는데요 잠시만요 제 설정파일을 좀 보죠
[01:00] <Work^Seony> 음... 일단, vi 띄워서
[01:01] <Work^Seony> :colorscheme 한칸띄고 탭키 눌러보세요. 그럼 테마가 몇가지 나올텐데,
[01:01] <Work^Seony> 그걸 하나씩 적용해보세요
[01:01] <Work^Seony> 저는 몰로카이를 좋아해서 그걸 쓰는데, 몰로카이는 기본 테마가 아니라..
[01:01] <crixer> 집에가서 해볼게요 ㅋㅋㅋ 킁 거기다 영화보다가 자꾸 끊겨서 엔비디아 드라이버 설치하려다 꼬여서.....
[01:01] <crixer> 그것도 삭제하고 다시해야되요
[01:02] <crixer> 할일이태산
[01:03] <Work^Seony> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1of6ro582o2zydp/vim.png?dl=0
[01:03] <Work^Seony> 대충 이렇게 생겼습니다
[01:03] <crixer> 아 드롭박스 막혔네요 여기
[01:03] <crixer> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[01:05] <Work^Seony> 헐 그래요? 그럼 잠시만요
[01:05] <Work^Seony> https://files.coe.hawaii.edu/index.php/s/KujQtavF8jMvJwm
[01:08] <crixer> 몰로카이를 해볼까요?
[01:08] <crixer> 넘치는게 테마니
[01:08] <crixer> 하다 질리면 다른걸로 바꾸고
[01:08] <crixer> 파워라인도 설치해야겠네요
[01:08] <crixer> vim은 파워라인이없으면 뭔가허전..
[01:09] <Work^Seony> 허전하기도 하지만, 파워라인이 보여주는게 의외로 많아서 필요하죠...
[01:48] <ipeter_> 병원 진료받고 이제 출근했습니다.
[01:48] <ipeter_> 좋은 하루 되세요.,
[02:56] <ipeter_> 오즈님
[02:56] <ipeter_> 사실껀가요?
[02:56] <ipeter_> 커브드 모니터요.
[03:50] <autowiz_> 커브드 아마 안살거 같습니다 ㅋㅋ
[08:08] <samahui_WS> 파폭은 항상 폰이 업데이트하고, 윈도우컴이 업데이트 한 후... 수시간에서 몇일지나야 리눅스버젼 업을 하는군요
[08:21] <HolyKnight> 트윗펌: 금수저 하니까 또 생각 나는 게.. 석사 졸업하고 학자금 갚아야 해서 돈 벌어야 한다고 하니까 '쓸데 없는 짓' 한다며 부모님이나 남자친구한테 달라고 하면 되잖아, 왜 니가 벌어? 라고 얘기했던 사람... ... ...
[08:23] <PotatoGim> ...울컥...
[08:24] <PotatoGim> 흙수저의 하나로써 대성통곡이 절로 나오네요...ㅜ
[08:28] <samahui_WS> 공부하는 학생이 공부에 매진을 못하고 돈을 벌어야 하는 현실이 참으로 한탄스럽습니다
[08:29] <samahui_WS> 날씨가 흐릿한건지 미세먼지가 심한건지 ... 창밖으로 보이는 도시가 뿌옇군요
[09:24] <samahui_WS> 오늘은 정말 칼퇴근합니다
[09:24] <samahui_WS> 저녁들 맛나게 드시고 행복한 저녁시간들 보내세요
[09:24] <samahui_WS> 야근은 하지 마시고 야근을 해야 한다면 농땡이!!! 장착 하세요 ~ 내일뵈요~
[09:45] <ipeter_> 전 야근해요.
[11:45] <ihavnoth> 40인치 UHD 모니터 싼것도 50만원 근처군요
[11:45] <ihavnoth> 모니터인지 TV인지 모르겠네요^.^
[12:13] <DarkCircle> 보통 한 45인치 언저리를 넘으면 그만큼 멀리 떨어져서 보는게 맞지 않을까요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[12:14] <DarkCircle> 안그래도 30인치가 "그나마 목을 멀쩡하게 유지시켜주는" 해상도인데 더 커지면 목 뒤틀릴듯
[12:20] <serengeti> 우분투 서버 버젼 사용중입니다
[12:21] <serengeti> service ??? restart
[12:21] <serengeti> 같은 service 명령어를 날렸을 때
[12:21] <serengeti> 아무런 메시지가 표시되지 않는데
[12:22] <serengeti> 다른 버젼처럼 메시지가 나오게 하려면 어떻게 해야하나요?
[12:37] <ipeter__> 안녕하세요.
[12:39] <ipeter__> 오피스 혹시 맥용으로 구매해서 사용하시는분 계신가요?
[12:40] <ipeter__> 지금 학교 계정 있을때 사둘까 생각중이라서요.
[12:40] <ipeter__> 10만원돈에 4년간 라이센스 주더라구요.
[12:42] <ipeter__> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/mskr/ko_KR/pdp/Office-365-University/productID.260486100?ICID=All_Office_ModO_365University
[13:03] <HolyKnight> 오호
[13:07] <jason__> serengeti: 경우에 따라서는 실행은 되지만, 응답이 불표시되는 경우도 있어요. 다른 판에서는 응답 메시지가 분명히 나왔어요?
[13:42] <dkj0208> /1/2
[13:44] <ihavnoth> ipeter : 회사에서 쓰고 있고 있어요... 하지만 뭔가 어색해서 VirtualBox Windows7에서 사용하는게 편하더라고요
[14:54] <ipeter> ihavnoth: 아...지금 결제창 띄울까말까 고민중이예요
[14:54] <ipeter> ㅎㅎ
[15:13] <HolyKnight> http://mlbpark.donga.com/mbs/articleV.php?mbsC=bullpen2&mbsIdx=3623969&cpage=4
[21:57] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[22:33] <ipeter> 안녕하세요?
[22:34] <ipeter> 깨서 씻고
[22:34] <ipeter> 샤워하고
[22:34] <ipeter> 이제 출근하려구요.
[22:34] <ipeter> 직장에서 뵙겠습니다.
[22:34] <ipeter> ㅋㅋ
[22:49] <razGon_MINILA> 모닝요.
[22:49] <razGon_MINILA> 저 머나먼 곳으로 갑니다.
[22:50] <razGon_MINILA> 아..가족과 있는게 좋기는 한데...
[22:50] <Work^Seony> 잉? 어디로 가세요?
[22:52] <razGon_MINILA> 근무지를 이동합니다.
[22:52] <razGon_MINILA> 광주외곽지역인 전남 쪽으로요.
[22:52] <razGon_MINILA> 방주만들듯이..
[22:52] <Work^Seony> 원래 개인의원 하시지 않으셨어요?
[22:52] <razGon_MINILA> 예견하건데.
[22:52] <razGon_MINILA> 옙ㅂ
[22:53] <razGon_MINILA> 3년정도즈음에 우리나라 IMF비슷한거 올겁니다.
[22:53] <razGon_MINILA> 그때 살아남으려면 지금 이동해야되요.
[22:53] <Work^Seony> 저는, 울나라 아직도 안망한게 신기한데요 ㅎㅎ
[22:53] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㅎㅎ
[22:53] <razGon_MINILA> 그래도 우리나라라고 하시네요.ㅎ
[22:54] <Work^Seony> 아직은 한국인이니깐요 ㅎㅎ
[22:54] <razGon_MINILA> 쩝..
[22:54] <Work^Seony> 미국 국적 따면 모르겠지만, 아직은 한국인이죠
[22:54] <Work^Seony> 제가 처음 유학올 때 당시만 해도, 절대로 한국 국적만큼은 포기하지 않을 거라고 생각했는데
[22:54] <Work^Seony> 요즘은 많이 바뀌었어요
[22:57] <razGon_MINILA> 하는 꼴이..ㅋㅋ
[22:57] <razGon_MINILA> 제가 주식한것은
[22:57] <razGon_MINILA> 앞으로 계속 투자처는 있을거라 생각해서요.
[22:58] <Work^Seony> 그렇기야 하죠. 외국인 투자가 전혀 없는 나라가 아니니...
[22:58] <Work^Seony> 저는 사실 주식투자는 전혀 몰랐다가, 옛날에 한국에서 금융기관에 직장 다닐 때 FP 자격증 공부하면서 알게됐죠.
[22:58] <razGon_MINILA> ㅇㅇ
[22:58] <Work^Seony> 그리고 결론 내린게, "주식투자는 도박과 같다" 라고 결론내리고, 일체 손을 안대기로 마음 먹었어요
[22:58] <razGon_MINILA> 잘하셧습니다.
[22:59] <razGon_MINILA> 그냥 외인들처럼 투자할려구요.
[22:59] <Work^Seony> 요즘 미국에는, 투자를 대신 해주는 사이트가 인기에요
[22:59] <razGon_MINILA> 중국주식에 5000달러 정도투자 해볼라구요.
[22:59] <razGon_MINILA> 근데 그건 문제.
[22:59] <razGon_MINILA> 금리 올라가면 ....ㅠㅠ
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 일정 액수를 넣으면, 어떤 특수한 목적으로 개발된 알고리즘에 의해 자동으로 분산투자해서 수익을 내는데,
[23:00] <razGon_MINILA> 잠시 아침 환자 진료 좀 보구요.ㅎ
[23:00] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㅎㅎ
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 주로 인덱스에만 투자를 하거든요
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 넵
[23:00] <razGon_MINILA> 그것도 호황장에.ㅋ
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 손해는 안나는데, 수익은 그냥 그렇습니다
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 4.5% 정도 선이에요.
[23:00] <Work^Seony> 한국처럼 예적금 금리가 높지않은 미국에서는 그나마도 괜찮은 편이긴 하죠
[23:47] <samahui_WS> 안녕하세요~ 좋은 아침 입니다.
[23:49] <razGon_MINILA> 안녕하세요?
[23:59] <HolyKnight> ㅎㅇㅇ
[23:59] <autowiz_> 안녕하세요~~
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.375047
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"DarkCircle",
"HolyKnight",
"PotatoGim",
"Work^Seony",
"autowiz_",
"crixer",
"dkj0208",
"ihavnoth",
"ipeter",
"ipeter_",
"ipeter__",
"jason__",
"razGon_MINILA",
"samahui_WS",
"serengeti"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-ko.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ko"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-release
|
[00:04] <darkxst> doko, ok thanks
[00:33] <cyphermox> ugh, please reject multipath-tools in wily, that's wrong... :(
[00:44] <slangasek> cyphermox: done
[07:12] <Ian_Corne> cyphermox: hmm that's to the ubstable debian then, or?
[07:12] <Ian_Corne> ahno, SID probably?
[10:46] <cjwatson> snakefruit (various archive cron jobs, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/, etc.) going down soon for a RAM upgrade
[11:30] <cjwatson> snakefruit back
[11:45] <cjwatson> yofel: do you know who would be a good contact to receive Kubuntu image health check mails (which basically whinge about oversizedness, any uninstallable packages, etc. unless corrected)? they're currently going to Riddell and ScottK, and at least Riddell has asked not to receive them any more and suggested "kubuntu-devel@ or someone relevant" - would this sort of cron mail be welcome on kubuntu-devel@ or could you suggest a ...
[11:45] <cjwatson> ... recipient or two?
[11:46] <yofel> good question, how frequent are those sent?
[11:47] <cjwatson> daily
[11:48] <yofel> can you please send them to me for now then? I don't think that's something we want to spam -devel with, and I'll come back to you once we have a better place
[11:49] <yofel> btw. with Riddell quitting as release manager, I (and sgclark as subsitute) would like to take over the job
[11:49] <yofel> anything/anywhere in particular we have to apply for to do this? Other than a mail to ubuntu-devel
[11:53] <cjwatson> I'm not sure, somebody techboardy should know, maybe infinity or stgraber
[11:53] <cjwatson> yofel: is your @kubuntu.org address OK?
[11:53] <yofel> cjwatson: it should be, yes
[11:54] <cjwatson> all right, done, thanks, can easily change on request
[11:54] * xnox ponders who manages @kubuntu.org domain
[11:57] * yofel assumed canonical
[11:57] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: "Registrant Organization:Canonical, Ltd."
[11:57] <yofel> at least the address updates are done in the same way as for @ubuntu.com
[11:57] <xnox> ah, cool. so probably done in bulk with the rest of them.
[15:49] <stgraber> cjwatson: IIRC ubuntu-release is basically self-managed, that is, existing members vote on new members. infinity could confirm.
[15:49] <stgraber> I believe the main requirement besides time is that you have to be a coredev
[15:53] <infinity> stgraber: Pretty much, yes.
[16:17] <yofel> stgraber: well, there are no kubuntu devs left that are core-devs, so we would have to do without being on the release team for now.
[16:17] <yofel> it's something we'll be aiming for in the future, but that'll take a while
[16:18] <infinity> yofel: You're not the only flavour without an ubuntu-release presence, it's not the end of the world, but you should certainly aim to get some core-devs again.
[16:19] <yofel> so, do we need to do anything beside that?
[16:19] <sgclark> yes I am aiming for that as is yofel
[16:48] <stgraber> FYI, I'll be releasing the network-manager SRU for wily in a couple of hours, I'm looking at the ppc64el regression (looks like the usual NM race, will retry the adt) and will do a bit of VM testing to make sure it doesn't break the world (but testing on xenial showed it's fine here)
[18:09] <bdmurray> arges: Could you have a look at that apport upload?
[18:11] <arges> bdmurray: yea
[18:12] <bdmurray> thanks
[18:59] <Ian_Corne> is there somewhere a template for a bugreport i can file to request a new version of a package being uploaded ?
[18:59] <Ian_Corne> I've tried going the reportbug way with -B debian, but it feels so much like a real bug report, i'm unsure if it's the good way to go
[19:20] <Logan> Ian_Corne: it's fine to report a bug like that
[19:20] <Logan> just make sure it has wishlist importance
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> ok, thank you
[19:20] <Logan> no problem!
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> I can do it like this?
[19:21] <Ian_Corne> Your version of ibus (1.5.10-1ubuntu1) is newer than that in Debian! Do you
[19:21] <Ian_Corne> icorne@topian:~$ reportbug -B debian ibus
[19:21] <Ian_Corne> sorry, pasted, wrong one
[19:21] <Logan> yes
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> damn, it's been submitted by icorne@topian
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> that's obviously not my email :p
[21:23] <arges> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=systemtap can you review this, i've tested built it on a power8 machine and should unblock libguestfs
[21:25] <bdmurray> arges: is there an SRU bug for that?
[21:25] <arges> bdmurray: I suppose i need to add one for that
[21:26] <arges> bdmurray: let me add that and re-up
[21:31] <arges> bdmurray: ok please review now. Thanks
[21:38] <bdmurray> arges: waiting on the diff generation
[21:44] <cjwatson> bdmurray: *muttermutterserialisednonsense*
[21:44] <cjwatson> (it's currently processing a firefox diff, and has been for 20 minutes ...)
[22:57] <bdmurray> infinity: Could you review ubuntu-release-upgrader in wily-proposed?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.393295
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Ian_Corne",
"Logan",
"Odd_Bloke",
"arges",
"bdmurray",
"cjwatson",
"cyphermox",
"darkxst",
"infinity",
"sgclark",
"slangasek",
"stgraber",
"xnox",
"yofel"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-release.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-release"
}
|
2015-11-04-#lubuntu
|
[01:16] <zerothis1> nfs once worked for me but ever since trusty I can't seem to make it work. I just want to share one folder on my network to me other linuxum systems
[05:02] <mijowh> hello i've just installed lubuntu, still getting used to linux. trying to get rid of extraneous packages that came by default that are unnecessary. Why do i have both lubuntu software center and synaptic package manager? they both seem to serve the same purpose. could i just uninstall lubuntu software center? I usuallly use apt-file and apt-get anyway
[05:03] <mijowh> I don't understand why I have two different guis for package management
[05:04] <ianorlin> mijowh: lubuntu software-center is easier for new users to which synaptic could be confusing
[05:04] <ianorlin> actually synaptic doesn't take that much space up
[05:04] <ianorlin> on disk or on install
[05:04] <mijowh> so uninstalling lubuntu wont break anything?
[05:05] <mijowh> i like synaptics interface more anyway
[05:05] <ianorlin> no uninstalling lubuntu-software-center won't break anything although you shouuld problably reinstall lubuntu desktop if you want to upgrade
[05:05] <ianorlin> as that is just a metapackage
[05:06] <mijowh> uninstalling software center will remove that also?
[05:06] <mijowh> because i do plan on making use of synaptics updater
[05:08] <ianorlin> lubuntu-desktop basically is a package that gives you all the other stuff the lubunt install contains
[05:10] <mijowh> Hm. I've already removed quite a bit that I knew I wouldn't ever use and have been installing ym preferred apps. would you compare lubuntu-desktop to a package "group" (from archlinux, like the gnome group including alot of different gnome stuff) because i think i understand that
[05:12] <ianorlin> lubuntu-desktop is what is known as a metapackage and bascially has a dependecy on stuff that it brings in so say if you wanted to install this you could only install say one thing in synaptic or the command line rather than having to select each package individually
[05:14] <mijowh> I see. emacs would be another one of these metapackages then, that depends on the actual emacs packages, so that installation/removal is simpler. thanks i think i understand
[06:06] <ianorlin> yes like for the game battle for wesnoth there is one that brings in like all the core campiangs
[06:09] <mijowh> thank you for the advice, appreciate it. Maybe you could also answer me this: my desktop is extended vertically (single monitor). What I mean by this is that if i mouse to the top of the screen, it scrolls, as if the screen was taller than it actually is
[06:09] <mijowh> how can i get it to all fit?
[06:09] <mijowh> instead of having to scroll to see the tops of windows
[06:11] <ianorlin> is this not in a virtual machine?
[06:11] <mijowh> no its not
[06:11] <mijowh> ive never seen this before, but ive never used lxde before
[06:12] <mijowh> like it fits perfectly horizontally, but vertically its like theres an extra 2 inches
[06:12] <mijowh> and i have to mouse to the top or bottom to "scroll" the entire screen
[06:12] <mijowh> how do i adjust resolution? - i know, stupid question
[06:12] <mijowh> im thinking it may be video drivers
[06:12] <ianorlin> from the menu prefrences monitor settings
[06:13] <mijowh> ive been having issues with my outdated geforce 8400
[06:14] <ianorlin> mijowh: which driver are you using noveau?
[06:14] <mijowh> ah, it was screen resolution, thank you. and I'm unsure, whatever would be the default
[06:15] <mijowh> how do i check? It's embarassing asking questions that are probably so simple, but I'm new to the world of linux. been a windows only user forever
[06:15] <ianorlin> mijowh: which version of lubuntu you could try the save button if 15.04 or newer
[06:16] <mijowh> 15.10, newest version
[06:16] <ianorlin> ah yeah in menu prefrences monitor settings there sohuld be a save button
[06:17] <mijowh> under additional drivers in meu preferences, it says i am using no proprietary drivers
[06:18] <ianorlin> in the montior settings there should be a save button
[06:18] <mijowh> yes noveua
[06:18] <mijowh> yeah i saved my settings
[06:19] <mijowh> since it works ill leave as is for now, ive got a new graphics card coming in the mail. no point in messing with the driver atm
[06:19] <mijowh> thank you again
[06:21] <mijowh> now, i like to use apt-get autoremove to keep my packages clean, but I'm foreseeing an issue with some of my code that uses boost. It's the only thing on my system that needs boost, but its not a package, just an executable, so i dont imagine the package manager would be aware that boost is actually being used, and upon an autoremove, would uninstall it. Is there a way to inform the system about what libraries my app depends on, so the
[06:21] <mijowh> unless i misunderstand how packages work
[06:22] <ianorlin> mijowh: I am not expirenced with programming with boost
[06:22] <ianorlin> although I think with 15.10 I remember someone talking about it being recompiled against gcc5
[06:23] <mijowh> well, any library really doesnt need to be boost. I just noticed that any lib that doesnt have any packages that have it as a dependency will be uninstalled with apt-get autoremove
[06:23] <mijowh> my code isnt a "package", its just a compiled executable, and so i dont think the package manager will be aware of my dependency on library XYZ
[06:23] <mijowh> and will remove it thinking its not used
[06:24] <mijowh> does that make sense?
[06:26] <mijowh> i think this answers my question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/149768/mark-a-deb-package-as-used-so-its-not-suggested-for-autoremoval
[06:57] <mijowh> btw the answer to my earlier question about packaging an app was answered in #ubuntu, all i needed was this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=910717 thanks again for the help guys
[06:58] <mijowh> if anybody was also curious, idk
[10:36] <Paulo> bom dia
[10:38] <Paulo> estava aqui navegando e as paginas com criptografia estão aparecendo obsoleta,ate as de banco,o que pode ser
[19:39] <Langley> How do I get HVEC to play in Lubuntu? Adding the lubde265 repository, it 404s on the package lists
[19:41] <Langley> Oh VLC can play it, nice
[19:42] <genii> You must be on Wily, that PPA was last updated 16 weeks ago so it has up to Vivid but not yet Wily
[19:44] <Langley> VLC is fine... I just can't find it in the list of programs, when trying to set it as default for videos
[19:49] <ianorlin> Langley: in default apps for lxsession?
[19:49] <ianorlin> Langley: if you have downloaded a video file in pcmanfm the file manager try right click open with and sleect vlc and then pcmanfm will open with that file type
[20:55] <Langley> ianorlin: VLC doesn't show up in either... maybe I need to restart?
[21:01] <ianorlin> Langley: maybe log out
[21:34] <Langley> Even though I set Chromium to be the default browser, links from Pidgin still open in Firefox
[21:58] <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to install lubuntu-desktop in a chroot and it's trying to also install unity-greeter and other unity-related stuff
[21:59] <alkisg> Those unity* packages are not installed in lubuntu normally though
[21:59] <alkisg> So I'm not sure what's going on... lubuntu-desktop recommends unity but the cd seeds blacklist it?!
[21:59] <alkisg> I'm reluctant to use --no-install-recommends in case it prevents other important packages from being pulled in
[22:00] <redwolf> alkisg, unity-greeter or lightdm-gtk-greeter
[22:00] <redwolf> unity-greeter is not included in the package list
[22:00] <alkisg> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop does pull it though
[22:00] <redwolf> try first with lubuntu-core
[22:00] <alkisg> I'm trying to find the exact dependency chain that does that
[22:00] <redwolf> but anyway that requirement is odd
[22:00] <alkisg> lubuntu-core as well, pulls unity-greeter
[22:00] <redwolf> odd
[22:01] <alkisg> It's in 14.04/armhf if it matters
[22:01] <Unit193> alkisg: apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^
[22:01] <alkisg> Thanks, trying..
[22:02] <alkisg> Unit193: the same, unity-greeter, unity-settings-daemon etc are again included there
[22:03] <Unit193> Odd, but not surprising as the Lubuntu ISO is built without recommends. I'd install the task (lubuntu-desktop^) without recommends then.
[22:03] <alkisg> That does make sense, thank you, I'll do that after pinpointing the exact package
[22:04] <alkisg> (just out of curiosity)
[22:05] <alkisg> ..probably lightdm...
[22:06] <Unit193> alkisg: ...Actually, try both the core and desktop tasks at the same time.
[22:07] <alkisg> Yeah lightdm needs to put a Recommends: unity-greeter | kde_greeter etc | lubuntu-greeter at the end
[22:07] <alkisg> It lacks the | ubuntu-greeter
[22:07] <alkisg> *lubuntu-greeter
[22:07] <alkisg> (however that is called... checking...)
[22:08] <alkisg> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[22:08] <alkisg> So I'll install lightdm --no-install-recommends first, and check again lubuntu-desktop after that
[22:11] <alkisg> Yup, that did it. A bug report should be filed against lightdm, to save people that start with chroots/server cds to avoid unity :)
[22:11] <alkisg> *save ... from installing unity
[22:13] <alkisg> Then again, it now pulls software-properties-gtk and other packages, so I'll just use the task^ and --no-recommends variant that good Unit193 proposed to me :)
[22:16] <alkisg> Thanks a lot guys
[23:30] <Unit193> It does actually, with 'lightdm-greeter'
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.410162
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Langley",
"Paulo",
"Unit193",
"alkisg",
"genii",
"ianorlin",
"mijowh",
"redwolf",
"zerothis1"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23lubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#lubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-pl
|
[01:48] <Guest91432> hello
[01:49] <Guest91432> mam pyranie odnosnie chroot do kogokolwiek
[01:49] <Guest91432> mam w tej chwili ubuntu dzialajace na chrome os
[01:49] <Guest91432> z tego co rozumiem jest to uruchomione przez chroot
[01:50] <Guest91432> pytanie jest, jaki w tej chwili uzywam kernel?
[09:13] <qermit> :)
[09:26] <sysek> cześć qermit :)
[09:34] <firemark> cześć sysek :)
[09:36] <sysek> joł firemark
[09:40] <gjm> gjm: cześć
[15:36] <Spaulding> qermit: oo panie, hello
[15:37] <Spaulding> qermit: co tam slychac? :D
[16:39] <qermit> Spaulding: a nic ciekawego
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.413979
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Guest91432",
"Spaulding",
"firemark",
"gjm",
"qermit",
"sysek"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-pl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-pl"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-kernel
|
[17:25] <catbus1> Dear Ubuntu kernel team, I am working with the Cisco SNIC (SCSI NIC) team. SNIC is a new driver accepted in upstream 4.2.4. I see our latest Wily kernel is based on upstream 4.2.3. Can someone please tell me about when we will be based on 4.2.4? Or should I work with them to submit a patch to Ubuntu kernel?
[17:37] <henrix> catbus1: 4.2.4 (and 4.2.5) patches should be applied to the wily kernel soon(ish). next week we start a new 3-week SRU cycle, and usually apply stable patches to our kernels during the 1st week
[17:39] <catbus1> henrix: Thank you. One more question, is a new driver consider a stable patch? It's accepted in 4.2.4: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/jejb/scsi.git/commit/?id=24136f 2c0b3bd55d98bdfe097331a4ab7eb1869b
[17:41] <catbus1> probably this is a better link: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/scsi/snic?id=refs/tags/v4.2.4
[17:44] <henrix> catbus1: new drivers/features are not acceptable for stable kernels. but the wily kernel is *not* a stable kernel -- we simply apply upstream 4.2 stable kernel patches, but it has lots of other ubuntu-specific patches
[17:57] <catbus1> henrix: Just want to make sure I fully understand this. So snic will be in wily kernel after the next SRU cycle. The wily kernel will become HWE kernel for 14.04 in Jan/Feb. The snic driver will be in-box in 14.04.4, right?
[18:01] <henrix> catbus1: correct. and although i'm just not sure about the next 14.04 point-release dates, it's likely that the linux-lts-wily kernel will be available before that ;)
[18:02] <catbus1> henrix: Great, thank you very much.
[18:03] <rtg> kamal, http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?id=2459ee8651dc5ab72790c2ffa99af288c7641b64 should go to 4.2 stable
[18:17] <kamal> rtg, 4.2-stable is still gregkh's responsibility. That commit bears a Fixes: line, but the commit it says it fixes didn't land until 4.3-rc1 ...
[18:18] <kamal> rtg, so how sure are you that its actually relevant for 4.2? I expect that gregkh will _not_ apply that one to 4.2 automatically.
[18:20] <rtg> kamal, I've already submitted the patch on the k-team list. It appears to fix an issue related to bug #1499089
[18:22] <kamal> rtg, ok relevant for wily, but not for 4.2 mainline -- got it. ok, issue resolved :-)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.418477
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"catbus1",
"henrix",
"kamal",
"rtg"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-kernel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-kernel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#lubuntu-devel
|
[07:18] <djX3N> hello everyone from lubuntu wily on the raspberry pi 2 :)
[07:19] <ianorlin> wow it had been more than 2 weeks since my last bug report my family life sure has been a mess
[07:21] <djX3N> shh i'm making a screenshot ianorlin :)
[07:22] <djX3N> jk, though, seriously. i kind of know the feeling, though it's a bit different on the fatherhood side of things.
[07:24] <djX3N> back again on the pi.
[07:25] <djX3N> watching a video about how lubuntu 15.10 is broken, ironically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nraL-6GErbk
[07:25] <djX3N> he's complaining pulseaudio needs to be installed. and here i am happily running hdmi audio with no problems.
[07:26] <djX3N> the crazy thing is that the usb wifi dongle worked right out of the box, too. bizarre.
[07:27] <ianorlin> I don't want hdmi and turn it off in uefi and view that as a motherboard feature
[07:27] <djX3N> i thought you had an hdmi display?
[07:27] <ianorlin> yes but I am connected over dvi
[07:27] <ianorlin> and no integreated speakers
[07:27] <djX3N> why don't you like hdmi?
[07:28] <djX3N> tsimonq2: you're probably asleep but hi, from the pi.
[07:29] <ianorlin> I do it is just my speakers would plug into headphone speaker jack
[07:29] <ianorlin> which would just plug into the back of my monitor
[07:29] <djX3N> hdmi audio no workie or just an alsa pita (many non-standard things are)
[07:29] <ianorlin> alsa-pita
[07:30] <djX3N> OH your speakers only input is a mini-jack or whatever they call them
[07:30] <djX3N> i'm honestly shocked this works without doing anything else
[07:30] <ianorlin> yes
[07:30] <djX3N> either flexiondotorg worked some major magic, or something else is going on.
[07:31] <djX3N> omg there's no freaking pulse on here either
[07:32] <djX3N> only output on the BCM2835 card is a PCM. curious
[07:34] <ianorlin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1512963
[07:36] <djX3N> oh wow that's fun
[07:36] <djX3N> was that your discovery? :)
[07:36] <ianorlin> yep
[07:36] <djX3N> good job, man!
[07:38] <ianorlin> I told people not to reproduce on a production machine
[07:39] <djX3N> heheheheh
[07:40] <djX3N> wxl: shorten this https://img.bi/#/Wq7O5rW!TPaSocZVgZ_AG6wurxPYmAd6B8hxHqD15D6ArTVl
[07:40] <djX3N> note to self, don't mind me
[07:41] <djX3N> but check out the search for the 42nd fibonacci at the botom right
[07:42] <djX3N> anywho i'm hitting the hay
[07:42] * ianorlin understands
[07:42] <djX3N> get some sleep, buddy
[12:41] <tsimonq2> wxl = djX3N?
[14:53] <flexiondotorg> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22575/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker/
[14:53] <flexiondotorg> Happening in a few mins ^^^^^^^^^
[15:22] <phillw> missed the start, I'll download it once completed
[20:06] <phillw> flexiondotorg: just watched the recording, excellent session. Thanks for the explanations !
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.434522
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"djX3N",
"flexiondotorg",
"ianorlin",
"phillw",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23lubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#lubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu+1
|
[04:20] <Fudge> yay dailies are running
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:13] <toni_> hello, i would want to know if LLVM 3.7 will be used in Ubuntu Xenial (if possible)
[14:13] <toni_> because i would want to get OpenGL 4.x support in Mesa :P
[14:14] <toni_> (right now im stuck at OpenGL 3.3 because of llvm 3.6)
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> good evening genii
[18:41] * genii slides lotuspsychje a fresh coffee
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[18:45] * genii makes a fresh pot
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.436169
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BluesKaj",
"Fudge",
"genii",
"lotuspsychje",
"toni_"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu%2B1.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu+1"
}
|
2015-11-04-#maas
|
[01:48] <eternal_> Hi, is there a fix for the no-such-image boot problem? I've been looking around but can't seem to find a solution. Each time I PXE boot my machines say Loading ubuntu/amd64/generic/trusty/no-such-image/boot-kernel which fails.
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1491831 changed: maas-cli should allow to specify a cluster controller for a new node <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491831>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1491831 opened: maas-cli should allow to specify a cluster controller for a new node <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491831>
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1491831 changed: maas-cli should allow to specify a cluster controller for a new node <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491831>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1491831 opened: maas-cli should allow to specify a cluster controller for a new node <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491831>
[04:36] <mup> Bug #1491831 changed: maas-cli should allow to specify a cluster controller for a new node <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491831>
[07:00] <mup> Bug #1512959 opened: MAAS should not offer EXT3, rather VFAT, EXT2, EXT4 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512959>
[07:03] <mup> Bug #1512959 changed: MAAS should not offer EXT3, rather VFAT, EXT2, EXT4 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512959>
[07:06] <mup> Bug #1512959 opened: MAAS should not offer EXT3, rather VFAT, EXT2, EXT4 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512959>
[09:58] <mup> Bug #1512891 changed: MAAS storage partitioning does not allow formatting as Swap <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512891>
[10:01] <mup> Bug #1512891 opened: MAAS storage partitioning does not allow formatting as Swap <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512891>
[10:13] <mup> Bug #1512891 changed: MAAS storage partitioning does not allow formatting as Swap <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512891>
[10:16] <mup> Bug #1512891 opened: MAAS storage partitioning does not allow formatting as Swap <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512891>
[10:19] <mup> Bug #1512891 changed: MAAS storage partitioning does not allow formatting as Swap <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512891>
[10:28] <mup> Bug #1463176 changed: modprobe hpvsa fails after installing hpvsa <hp> <hpvsa> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463176>
[10:28] <mup> Bug #1512825 changed: Deployment of Wily from Release Stream fails because of Cloud-Init <MAAS:Won't Fix> <maas-images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512825>
[10:28] <mup> Bug #1512890 changed: Way too complicated workflow to remove default LVM partition scheme on 1.9 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512890>
[11:34] <mup> Bug #1501112 changed: Node Networking - Users can edit network info while commissioning <MAAS:Invalid by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501112>
[11:55] <devop> HELP
[12:05] <devop> Hello
[12:05] <devop> Somepeople
[12:06] <devop> can help me?
[12:12] <roaksoax> !ask
[12:12] <roaksoax> !question
[12:12] <roaksoax> !help
[12:12] <mup> roaksoax: Run "help <cmdname>" for details on: bug, contrib, echo, help, infer, login, poke, register, run, sendraw, sms
[12:12] <roaksoax> argh
[12:13] <roaksoax> devop: plase ask your question and if someone knows the answer they'll help
[12:19] <devop> help
[12:20] <devop> I have one problem with the nodes
[12:20] <devop> not working
[12:20] <devop> i ready every documentation in internet
[12:20] <devop> but my nodes not working yet
[12:21] <devop> can you help me?
[12:21] <roaksoax> devop: TBH, with the information you've provided I cannot help
[12:21] <roaksoax> devop: if you were to expand what's actually not working, I'd be able to know whether I can help
[12:22] <devop> the problem is Failed commissioning
[12:23] <devop> i installed everything
[12:23] <roaksoax> devop: there are many reasons why it could fail
[12:24] <roaksoax> devop: 1. what version of MAAS
[12:24] <roaksoax> 2. what type of machine is it
[12:24] <devop> the last
[12:24] <roaksoax> 3. can MAAS power control these machines ?
[12:24] <devop> my machine is one dell power edge r220
[12:24] <roaksoax> devop: i dunno what you mean with last, it could be last one in tursty, (1.7), last one stable in ppa (1.8), last one in development (1.9)
[12:25] <roaksoax> devop: can MAAS power control them? as in, whne you click commission, do they actually turn on?
[12:25] <devop> this is MAAS Version 1.8.3+bzr4053-0ubuntu1 (tru
[12:25] <devop> not
[12:26] <roaksoax> devop: so MAAS cannot power control them?
[12:26] <devop> really
[12:26] <devop> can not power
[12:27] <roaksoax> devop: how did you add the machines to MAAS? via WebUI ?
[12:27] <devop> yes via web
[12:27] <devop> i created two nodes
[12:28] <roaksoax> devop: ok, go to the node details page, and on the top, there's a button that says "check power"
[12:28] <roaksoax> what's the result of that?
[12:28] <devop> one the power type wake on lan and the other vish
[12:28] <roaksoax> devop: ah!
[12:29] <roaksoax> devop: then that's probably the problem
[12:29] <roaksoax> devop: if it is a dell, doesn't it have IPMI ?
[12:29] <devop> i used the ubuntu image personalized for dell power edge r220
[12:30] <devop> ok one moment
[12:30] <devop> i ll try
[12:33] <devop> this the log
[12:33] <devop> Powering node on Wed, 04 Nov. 2015 13:32:03 Node changed status - From 'New' to 'Commissioning'
[12:36] <devop> comissioning... but not ready
[12:37] <devop> the status is commisioning always
[12:37] <devop> 3 days looking a solution for this problem
[12:38] <devop> I need nodes ready for install openstack and juju
[12:40] <devop> failed now
[12:40] <devop> Failed to power on node - Timed out Wed, 04 Nov. 2015 13:37:03 Node changed status - From 'Commissioning' to 'Failed commissioning'
[12:40] <devop> Andres i m spanish too
[12:40] <devop> where are you from
[12:47] <devop> que desesperacion
[13:51] <devop> somepeople can help me?
[14:00] <marka13> Question: I have landscape juju and maas on one machine. When I perform an openstack install, it gets to the very end of the installation where it is going to import images. But something is changing the IP of eth0 and I am thinking that is what is failing the last step
[14:00] <marka13> anyone seen that behavior before?
[14:01] <marka13> twisted.python.failure.Failure <class 'twisted.internet.error.ConnectionDone
[14:21] <marka13> I can't seem to find in the logs where the ip was changed, the interfaces file is 10.0.0.9, but for some reason the ip got changed to 0.26
[14:21] <marka13> weird
[14:44] <mup> Bug #1511713 changed: udev rules not updated to reflect MAC change in node <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511713>
[14:44] <mup> Bug #1513085 opened: Partitioning should align for performance <curtin:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513085>
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1513095 opened: MAAS should prevent deploying nodes with PXE interface 'unconfigured' (or all NIC's as 'Unconfigured') <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513095>
[15:10] <marka13> no one around?
[15:17] <MilesDenver> no one
[15:26] <marka13> lol
[15:26] <marka13> Just trying to figure out what had happened
[15:41] <mup> Bug #1513111 opened: When a bond is created all IP address associated with the bond members should be removed <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513111>
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1513111 changed: When a bond is created all IP address associated with the bond members should be removed <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513111>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1513111 opened: When a bond is created all IP address associated with the bond members should be removed <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513111>
[19:50] <mup> Bug #1512029 changed: maasserver.models.tests.test_interface:TestReleaseAutoIPs.test__calls_update_host_maps_for_next_ip_managed_subnet randomly fails <tech-debt> <tests> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512029>
[20:21] <mup> Bug #1513198 opened: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[20:24] <mup> Bug #1513198 changed: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[20:27] <mup> Bug #1513198 opened: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1513198 changed: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1513198 opened: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[20:48] <mup> Bug #1513198 changed: maas needs to install wsmancli as a dependency <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513198>
[21:33] <mup> Bug #1513214 opened: Unable to remove bond in the UI <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513214>
[21:33] <mup> Bug #1513224 opened: 1.9b2: node details storage displays big json blob <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513224>
[23:18] <mup> Bug #1513214 changed: Unable to remove bond in the UI <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Invalid by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513214>
[23:18] <mup> Bug #1513258 opened: CSS Broken for Bond Network Device <networking> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513258>
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.442957
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"MilesDenver",
"devop",
"eternal_",
"marka13",
"mup",
"roaksoax"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23maas.txt",
"channel": "#maas"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-fi
|
[12:48] <Hejkki> moro
[15:22] <Maakuth> jos jotakuta kiinnostaa let's encrypt, niin linux.fi pääsi juuri betaan mukaan
[15:22] <Maakuth> https://www.linux.fi/wiki/Etusivu sielläpä sitä voi ihmetellä
[15:55] <Mirv> Maakuth: hienoo! toi on tosi hyvä homma koko let's encrypt.
[16:05] <Maakuth> kyllä vain
[16:51] <Kehet> kiva
[16:51] <Kehet> jos vaikka vähän tiputtaisi normicerttien hintoja markkinoilla
[16:51] <Kehet> tuntuu hölmöltä maksaa toista sataa siitä ilosta että jollain palvelimella on jossain bitti toisinpäin
[16:54] <Kehet> tietty jos tarvitsee certtiä jonkun vähän tärkeämmän jutun todentamiseen niin asia erikseen
[17:20] <Maakuth> kyllä minä luulen että tuolla on edellytyksiä korvata nuo tavalliset sertit, jotka vaan varmistaa, että palvelin on se kuka sanoo olevansa. varsinaista firman identiteettiä tai sellaistahan tuo ei tarjoa
[17:20] <Maakuth> jospa nuo ca:t alkaisi tehdä jotain ansaitakseen leipänsä
[18:02] <Max^> mitä noi nykyset muka varmistaa ku niitä voi kuka vaan ostaa
[18:04] <tale> Max^: Ne varmistaa sertin ostajalla on sen sertin hinnan verran rahaa.
[18:41] <Thaurwylth> Jos sopivasta hintatasosta puhutaan, niin kyllähän tuolla pääsee jo pitkälle. Tai siis ison osan tavallisiin ihmisiin kohdistuvasta matalan tason huijaamisesta aivan perusideana on se, että sitä tehdään vain siksi, että se on halpaa.
[18:48] <Maakuth> on ne jotkut aika tarkkoja, vaativat nähdä virallisia papereita. mutta ei toki koske noita halvimpia
[19:00] <Thaurwylth> Tai siis miehän en mistään mitään tiedä, kysytäänpä ihan selvittely- ja uudenoppimismielessä tämmöinen, onko niitä sitten paljon semmoisia väärennettyihin sertifikaatteihin perustuvia siltä osin täysin toimivia hyökkäyksiä. Paljon voisi tuossa tarkoittaa vaikka sitä, että tulee web-turvallisuusalalla toimiville niin usein vastaan, että janarien pitää ihan erikseen tuumailla, että jaa, ...
[19:00] <Thaurwylth> ... tämmöisiäkin tosiaan on ja voi olla.
[19:51] <Maakuth> kyllä niitä säännönmukaisesti sattuu, että huolimaton CA sertifioi jotain mitä ei pitäisi
[19:52] <Maakuth> mutta ei se niin yleistä ole että olis "tavallisten konnien" kannalta käytännöllinen hyökkäystapa. jotkut valtion tyyppiset toimijat on sitten asia erikseen
[19:53] <Maakuth> mm. comodo, joka suuremmasta päästä näitä, antoi joskus jollekin iranin poliisille mail.google.comiin sertit
[19:55] <StockAntenna> Turktrust antoi myös Googlet v. 2011
[19:57] <Maakuth> ja nyt just google uhkaa ottaa symantecin rootin pois chromesta jos eivät korjaa touhujaan
[19:58] <Maakuth> jotain koeserttejä olivat myöntäneet vissiin satoja väärille tahoille
[20:00] <Maakuth> ei niillä kai ole muuta eroa tuotantosertteihin kuin lyhyt voimassaolo
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.456007
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Hejkki",
"Kehet",
"Maakuth",
"Max^",
"Mirv",
"StockAntenna",
"Thaurwylth",
"tale"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-fi.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-fi"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-unity
|
[05:22] * Guest42341 such a beautiful day, today. great for science and such
[09:31] <Mirv> heh, I was going to "quickly grab" the unity8 audio role patch for the xenial Qt 5.5.1 build, but it depends on use_quick_24 which depends on use_sdk_13 so I'll just instead remove the two lines from QML files :)
[09:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: since we regularly forget to run make pot_file do you think i should add items to the checklist in both submit and review saying "HAve you run make_pot if there's new i18n messages"?
[09:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe we can automate that
[09:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: as in?
[09:49] <mzanetti> sounds like a silo thin
[09:49] <mzanetti> thing
[09:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, bug #1359667
[09:50] <mzanetti> yep
[09:50] <Saviq> but tsdgeos, have a test that updates the .pot and compares it with the one in source (ignoring newlines and header etc.)
[09:50] <Saviq> but yeah, maybe time better spent on trying the approach proposed by robru in the bug
[09:51] <tsdgeos> i agree with him that commiting from the build bots is scary
[09:51] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:52] <tsdgeos> i think i kind of prefer the suggestion to have a test
[09:52] <tsdgeos> or maybe just run make_pot as part of make
[09:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, don't want that, we'll get .pot updates with every MP
[09:53] <Saviq> at least not unconditionally
[09:53] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:53] * Saviq don't see a problem with build bot committing
[09:54] <tsdgeos> actually i shouldn't eihter since it's what we have in KDE :D
[09:54] <Saviq> ;)
[09:54] <tsdgeos> but somehow here us doing it instead of a site-wide script makes me a bit more uneasy
[09:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh yeah, the debian/rules approach makes me cringe, too, would much rather have an explicit hook mechanism
[10:00] <Saviq> but since debian/rules is really just a Makefile, maybe it's workable
[10:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: the question is, does the thing thar run debian/rules actually have commit power on the repo?
[10:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, don't think so, not today indeed
[10:05] <Saviq> so we'd need the train to do something anyway
[10:05] <Saviq> at which point might as well have a custom solution
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh well, they do run clean when bzr is available, so should be fine
[10:08] <Saviq> but we'd need to have a condition on which to hinge whether we do it or not, that the train would make true (like an env var)
[10:09] <tsdgeos> seems like that'd be close to "a hook" :D
[10:27] <tsdgeos> faenil: i didn't set https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1431328 since i could never reproduce it
[10:28] <tsdgeos> so no idea if it's fixed or not, maybe you can try to reproduce it or give us some more steps?
[10:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: isn't it a bit bad to have almost duplicated code in Unity/Launcher vs Greeter/Unity/Launcher ?
[10:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, there's not so much duplicate, is there?
[10:32] <mzanetti> it's a different implementation of a backend
[10:33] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: quicklistentry, quicklistmodel, launcheritem
[10:33] <tsdgeos> problem is they have small differences
[10:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, well, that's the api definition
[10:33] <tsdgeos> and the untrained eye can't decide if it's because people forgot to update them
[10:33] <tsdgeos> or because it actually needs to be different
[10:33] <mzanetti> obviously it needs the same classes
[10:34] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, what do you suggest?
[10:34] <tsdgeos> e.g. one has
[10:34] <tsdgeos> if (countVisible) setAlerting(true);
[10:34] <Saviq> maybe we can abuse Qt/QML revisions? :)
[10:35] <tsdgeos> and the other has not
[10:35] <Saviq> and export Unity.Launcher with rev 1, and Greeter.Unity.Launcher with rev 2?
[10:35] <tsdgeos> and i guess this is a "correct" difference for greeter vs non-greeter
[10:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yes... well, the bigger difference is actually how the models are filled
[10:36] <mzanetti> one has access to the system, the other only to accounts-service
[10:36] <tsdgeos> right
[10:36] <faenil> tsdgeos: sorry, I'll try again and see if it works now.
[10:36] <tsdgeos> i guess we could share those 3 files in a lib
[10:36] <tsdgeos> but maybe it's me just being annoyin :D
[10:40] <Saviq> since nobody related to what I wrote, maybe it's just too crazy, but mzanetti, tsdgeos maybe we can abuse Qt's revision mechanism and export different revisions to Unity. and to Greeter.Unity.? or did you not respond because you hate that idea? ;)
[10:40] <mzanetti> haha
[10:40] <mzanetti> tbh I'd need to read up on that first to form an opinion
[10:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think it's unneeded since it's basically C++ code that is dupe, we can "fix" with simpler solutions if we think is a problem
[10:42] <mzanetti> Saviq, you mean just using different import versions?
[10:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, no
[10:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, basically, you can declare the same method multiple times, marking them with a different revision
[10:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, then, as you register the plugin, you say which revision you want
[10:43] <mzanetti> ah so we'd have just one plugin, which implements some methods multiple times
[10:43] <mzanetti> sounds like it could work...
[10:43] <Saviq> so you can have two different implementations of the same method in the same .so, and depending on which plugin you import you get one or the other
[10:43] <Saviq> s/which plugin you import/which import you use/
[10:43] <mzanetti> but also sounds like you better test that first as for sure you'll run into corner cases
[10:44] <ThijsWouters> \close
[10:44] <Saviq> oh sure, and maybe not even in this case, but we should keep that possibility in mind
[10:44] <mzanetti> yes... I really need to use that at some point... when you write apps usually that revisioning stuff is not really needed...
[10:46] <Saviq> yeah, it's usually only useful for backwards compat
[10:46] <Saviq> so not really for unity8 either
[10:47] <Saviq> we *could* think of applying that to all the bits that implement unity-api APIs, but probably too early for that still
[10:48] <faenil> tsdgeos: ah that's why I didn't provide any info, you replied "it's the first run of build.sh that installs the build deps" but in the comment above I say that I ran build.sh -s and then build.sh
[10:48] <Saviq> faenil, let me come to you :)
[11:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/lp1503693/+merge/276190 ?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: as in, confirm the bug exists and this workarounds it?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> fix the qt bug?
[11:16] <tsdgeos> or?
[11:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, seb128 asked for a review of ↑, but if we can fix the Qt bug, might be better ;)
[11:16] <seb128> Saviq, +1!
[11:17] <tsdgeos> "can fix" is a pretty broad statement :D
[11:17] <tsdgeos> i'm sure we can fix it, but it may take much more than those 3 lines :D
[11:17] <tsdgeos> but anyway yes i'll have a look
[11:17] <tsdgeos> i already had a look to it tbh
[11:17] <tsdgeos> but i'll have a second and approve if that's what you guys want
[13:39] <mterry> greyback_, heyo, poke about the no-touch-no-lifecycle branches. They are in our silo, but I realized they aren't approved yet. Would like to get them cleared, since other branches have started to pre-req them
[13:57] <Prasad> Hi, is anybody working on fix for bug # 1154364
[14:11] <greyback_> mterry: on it
[14:12] <mterry> thx!
[14:13] <mterry> greyback_, also I made a small change to the unity-api branch after you had approved it -- Saviq caught me not incrementing the VERSION for unity-shell-application
[14:13] <mterry> greyback_, so might want to give that a look over again
[14:13] <greyback_> ok
[14:18] <Prasad> Hi, I'm a C++ software , and willing to contribute to unity bug fixes
[14:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so do we want cimi to run make pot_file on lp:~cimi/unity8/preview-sharing or lading it "broken" and update it later?
[14:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we'll rebuild silo 21 so yeah
[14:40] <Saviq> cimi, ↑
[14:41] <cimi> Saviq, oki
[14:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/coding_update/+merge/276662 ?
[14:48] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, +1 for less redundancy
[14:49] <cimi> tsdgeos, I like having some information already in the package, shall we leave a bit and point to the website for "more details"?
[14:49] <cimi> like, usually when I download some new source code, I grep for README/HACKING for quick build instructions
[14:51] <tsdgeos> cimi: what would you leave of what i removed?
[14:52] <cimi> tsdgeos, maybe just build and a simple run
[14:56] <tsdgeos> dandrader: your "let's keep it closer to the code so it's update" has been proved wrong
[14:56] <tsdgeos> the web is up to date, that file is not
[14:56] <tsdgeos> true is that i updated the web so i'm half cheating
[14:56] <tsdgeos> but it was still more up to date that the file
[14:56] <tsdgeos> before i updated it more
[14:59] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you need special rights to edit that web page? it's not even a wiki
[15:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yes it's not a wiki
[15:00] <tsdgeos> it's a wordpress instance
[15:00] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I recall mhall119 was trying to get it up to date before...
[15:00] <dandrader> but a hard job as he's not involved in the daily development
[15:01] <Saviq> it should probably be in our source and updated from there automagically on the website
[15:01] <mhall119> dandrader: you just need to be in the right LP team and then go to unity.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/
[15:01] <dandrader> Saviq, that's my opinion as well
[15:01] <mhall119> ~unity-website-editors is the team
[15:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ideality is nice, who's going to write that wordpress plugin ? :D
[15:04] <tsdgeos> dandrader: Saviq: we could link from the web to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/CODING
[15:05] <tsdgeos> it's less fancy
[15:05] <tsdgeos> would also saves us from having to update stuff twice
[15:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm sure there is a wordpress plugin that imports rst or something from a url already
[15:05] <Saviq> and that url could very well be ↑
[15:06] <dandrader> We could just ensure that CODING file follows some lightweight markup language and ta da!
[15:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you moved https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/sdk1.3_newUbuntuShape/+merge/271610 to needs review because of the flaky test, should we move back to approved? i remmeber you mentioning something about the flaky not being clocking?
[15:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, will do
[15:17] <mterry> greyback_, thanks for reviews!
[15:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, you approved the slim greeter branch?
[15:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: wrong click
[15:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: it should be back on needs review
[15:18] <mterry> josharenson, btw I'm reviewing slim greeter as we speak
[15:18] <tsdgeos> plrease double check
[15:19] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh cool, LP must not have sent me email yet. I'm reviewing the branch now actually
[15:19] <josharenson> mterry: cool, you saw the conversation I just had w/ tsdgeos in #unity?
[15:19] <mterry> mmm, no will read
[15:19] <mterry> josharenson, ah cool
[15:19] <tsdgeos> josharenson: mterry: the CI just passed :)
[15:20] <mterry> josharenson, will avoid complaining about any qmluitest failures then
[15:20] <mterry> oh good
[15:20] <josharenson> tsdgeos: cool maybe the thing I did last night worked then... chmodded the runtests.sh
[15:22] <mterry> josharenson, so in terms of testing... I'm confirming that there are no regressions on phone, and then confirming that the new greeter works on my desktop? Anything else?
[15:22] <mterry> I guess test each of the modes real quick maybe
[15:23] <josharenson> mterry: uhhh I tested multi monitor... you can take my word for that
[15:24] <cimi> tsdgeos, you got my message about two columns?
[15:24] <tsdgeos> cimi: i did
[15:25] <tsdgeos> but there was "no message" D
[15:25] <tsdgeos> just a forward
[15:25] <tsdgeos> what do i do with it?
[15:25] <cimi> tsdgeos, I wrote here but probable I was disconnected
[15:25] <cimi> tsdgeos, design asked me to increase those paddings
[15:25] <cimi> as you read the mail
[15:26] <cimi> tsdgeos, also, potfiles were updated too in the branch you needreviewed
[15:26] <tsdgeos> cimi: in the past or just now?
[15:26] <cimi> 20 mins ago
[15:26] <tsdgeos> cimi: forgot to push?
[15:27] <cimi> tsdgeos, I did
[15:27] <tsdgeos> wait i'm looking at the wrong MR
[15:27] <cimi> "meh" :D
[15:28] <tsdgeos> back to approved
[15:28] <cimi> cool
[15:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: be careful when moving those margins
[15:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah...
[15:37] <tsdgeos> they'll complain later again when the composition is differnet :D
[15:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, do we have any code or place that gets enabled for two column layout?
[15:37] <cimi> is everything in Preview.qml?
[15:38] <tsdgeos> not sure what you mean
[15:38] <tsdgeos> Preview.qml decides the number of columns yes
[15:38] <tsdgeos> property int columns: width >= units.gu(80) ? 2 : 1
[15:39] <tsdgeos> should be readonly if you're going to modify that file
[16:40] <larsu> Saviq: are you planning on landing the gsettings-qt patch?
[17:04] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, I've moved the code over to Dialogs.qml... not sure if it's really better, but the argument to take some load from Shell.qml is a good one
[17:09] <Saviq> larsu, I didn't, do you want us to?
[17:12] <larsu> Saviq: yes please, unless seb128 wants to...
[17:14] <kgunn> mzanetti: trying to locate a bug i think you logged, i couldn't find it, but in windowed mode/monitor connect u-s-c cpu is high ?
[17:14] <kgunn> maybe i dreamed that
[17:14] <Saviq> kgunn, bug #1499039
[17:14] <mzanetti> kgunn, I think Saviq logged it in the end, but I have seen the issue too
[17:15] <Saviq> seb128, could you take care of that landing please? I'm already on the naughty list in the train ;)
[17:15] <mzanetti> haha
[17:30] <cimi> ltinkl, you around?
[17:37] <seb128> Saviq, can do
[18:02] <jcastro> hi guys, I'm in xenial on the unity8 session
[18:03] <jcastro> the one problem is it seems the lock screen is over the desktop
[18:03] <jcastro> so when I click on the launcher to launch apps I don't see them launching
[18:03] <jcastro> I suspect they're behind the lock screen
[18:03] <jcastro> putting my password in the lock screen turns the entire screen black, so I don't think that's what is supposed to happen
[18:29] <Saviq> jcastro, what release?
[18:31] <jcastro> the latest in xenial, let me check
[18:32] <Saviq> jcastro, can you try a different user
[18:32] <jcastro> Saviq: 8.11+15.10.20151021-0ubuntu1 is the version of the unity8 package
[18:33] <jcastro> sure
[18:34] <jcastro> same thing with a new test user
[18:35] <jcastro> with either user I can't get past the unity8 lock screen
[18:36] <Saviq> jcastro, and you installed via unity8-desktop-session-mir?
[18:36] <jcastro> yep
[18:36] <Saviq> jcastro, and you select the unity8 session in the greeter?
[18:36] <Saviq> jcastro, can you clear ~/.cache/upstart/*, try again and see what you find there
[18:38] <jcastro> no change
[18:40] <Saviq> jcastro, didn't mean that would fix, but the logs could help then
[18:53] <jcastro> oh! ok I have a session, will investigate and come back later
[18:53] <jcastro> thanks for the tips
[18:54] <jcastro> also is there a PPA I should follow? I don't mind breakage, I'm basically setting aside a machine for U8
[19:02] <Saviq> jcastro, no ppa, everything goes straight into trunks and xenial
[19:03] <jcastro> man dude, look at all these logs, finally, a desktop that logs everything, I love you.
[19:09] <Saviq> jcastro, plenty more to be logged, but yeah, much better than .xsession-errors, 'innit ;)
[19:12] <jcastro> nothing reallu jumps out as fatal-looking
[19:12] <jcastro> we need WARN: and ERR: for grepability :)
[21:15] <pmcgowan> when we pair with a bluetooth keyboard do we suppress the OSK?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.473694
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Guest42341",
"Mirv",
"Prasad",
"Saviq",
"ThijsWouters",
"cimi",
"dandrader",
"faenil",
"greyback_",
"jcastro",
"josharenson",
"kgunn",
"larsu",
"mhall119",
"mterry",
"mzanetti",
"pmcgowan",
"seb128",
"tsdgeos"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-unity.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-unity"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntustudio
|
[01:19] <gartral> hey all, small issue after upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10, my volume control indicator has vanashed\...
[01:20] <Unit193> gartral: Do you have xfce4-indicator-plugin and indicator-sound installed? If so, can you check your panel plugins for its presence?
[01:22] <gartral> Unit193: yes and yes, and there's a mixer plugin, but it's not the pulse-audio one that open pavucontrol
[01:23] <Unit193> gartral: There's supposed to be an indicator plugin enabled, although alternativly if you have the one from the PPA, there's also xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin! :P
[01:25] <gartral> Unit193: AHHAH, thank you! that fixed that!
[01:29] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[01:30] <gartral> Unit193: somehow the indicator was removed. now I just need to fix my one conky widgit
[08:16] <roy> welcme home
[08:21] <roy> anybode here?
[11:08] <roy__> holla amigo
[11:08] <cfhowlett> !es | roy__
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.479392
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Unit193",
"cfhowlett",
"gartral",
"roy",
"roy__"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntustudio.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntustudio"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-tw
|
[14:40] <michael__> hello
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.480349
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"michael__"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-tw.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-tw"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-pa
|
[10:10] <rmg51> Morning
[12:01] <JonathanD> howdy.
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.480909
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JonathanD",
"rmg51",
"teddy-dbear"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-pa.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-pa"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-gr
|
[09:06] <Death_Rider> meres
[21:49] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2791-1: NSS vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2791-1/> || USN-2790-1: NSPR vulnerability <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2790-1/>
[23:29] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2785-1: Firefox vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2785-1/>
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.484147
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Death_Rider",
"Euaki"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-gr.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-gr"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-dk
|
[18:35] <Ubuntubruger9> ?spørgsmål. nogen der har erfaring med broadcom netkort? jeg kan ikke få det til at virke.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.486195
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Ubuntubruger9"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-dk.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-dk"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-community-team
|
[02:13] <dupingping> popey, hi.
[09:31] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:33] <dpm> hey davidcalle
[09:57] <MooDoo> :)
[10:31] * dholbach relocate to the office - brb
[12:24] <dholbach> dpm, I won't be able to make it to the UOS session tomorrow, but I have an additional data point already :)
[12:24] <dholbach> dpm, UOS was a great venue yesterday to bring teams together
[12:24] <dholbach> alecu+kyrofa brought up their thougs about phone and snappy which was great
[12:25] <dpm> dholbach, nice!
[12:25] <dholbach> and awe+morphis brought up their thoughts on frameworks and landing stuff like bluetooth and connectivity on snappy
[12:25] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, for some reason yesterday this felt a much solider UOS than the previous one
[12:26] <dholbach> so whatever the future is going to be like, it'll be good if sessions can be set up very easily and are announced broadly well in advance
[12:26] <dholbach> this would also be nice for ad-hoc sessions across the cycle
[12:27] <dholbach> that a reminder is sent to some mailing lists
[12:27] <dholbach> ... or something
[12:28] <dpm> thanks dholbach. Quick q: do you happen to know the max number of participants in a UOS hangout? It used to be 10, but I think it got increased to 15
[12:28] <dholbach> wasn't it 10 for regular accounts and 15 for canonical accounts?
[12:29] <dpm> that's what I thought, but I couldn't find a reference
[12:32] <dholbach> dpm, https://www.google.com/work/apps/business/products/hangouts/
[12:32] <dholbach> "Hosten Sie Hangouts für bis zu 15 Personen – ob Mitarbeiter oder externe Teilnehmer."
[12:32] <popey> https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1216376?hl=en-GB
[12:32] <popey> Video calls can have a maximum of 10 participants
[12:32] <popey> Google Apps for Work: The maximum is 15 participants
[12:39] <dpm> thanks all :)
[12:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, did https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/1511676/+merge/276253 look all right to you?
[12:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, it's smart :) Haven't tested it yet, but looks good
[12:51] <dholbach> of course it's smart - I stole the idea from you :-)
[12:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, smart*er* then ;-) Will test in a short moment, first I need to figure out if we can announce a date for the scopes contest in the session in 1h, or if we should defer, preparation is not finished.
[12:53] <dholbach> take your time
[12:53] <dholbach> it's not superurgent
[13:49] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119: I followed up on the django upgrade MP
[13:49] <dholbach> I did some more testing - let's chat about it tomorrow
[13:49] <dholbach> mhall119, and we might need Daniele's help again
[13:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, +1
[13:50] <dholbach> unfortunately the importer's status is still in "it's complicated"
[13:58] <mhall119> dholbach: ack
[14:50] <balloons> popey, are you setting up http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22598/community-core-apps-qa/ or no?
[14:51] <popey> balloons, i wasn't. i thought it was yours
[14:56] <balloons> popey, no worries. just making sure
[14:56] <balloons> I'm setting it up
[14:58] <balloons> davidcalle, can you do the show and tell session happening right now?
[14:58] <balloons> or czajkowski or hggdh? I'm in a session and they need help
[14:58] <balloons> it's the ras pi session
[14:59] <davidcalle> balloons, czajkowski, hggdh, can't :/
[14:59] <balloons> dholbach, mhall119, popey, dpm ^^ Can you help out perhaps?
[15:00] <dholbach> no, in a session
[15:00] <mhall119> balloons: the Pi maker one?
[15:00] <jose> you need a host?
[15:00] <balloons> mhall119, yes
[15:00] <balloons> jose, yes, a host for martin
[15:00] <dpm> balloons, what kind of help are you looking for?
[15:00] <jose> balloons: I can do that for now
[15:00] <balloons> jose, awesome, ty
[15:01] <dpm> oh, on show & tell, got it
[15:01] <popey> jose, can you join #ubuntu-uos-showandtell
[15:01] <dpm> seems you got it sorted, jose saving the day :)
[15:01] <balloons> jose, set it up and edit the page. then ping flexiondotorg
[15:01] <balloons> thanks all!
[15:01] <popey> twice in one day!
[15:01] <dpm> :-)
[15:01] <jose> balloons: gotcha
[15:01] <jose> :)
[15:02] <mhall119> thanks jose!
[15:52] <balloons> I see dpm has already promoted Jane's q and a
[15:54] <dpm> \o/
[16:07] <jcastro> man, here i am running the cloud track like a chump and desktop is dropping USC?
[16:07] <jcastro> HAPPY DANCE
[16:13] <mhall119> you misspelled champ
[16:34] * davidcalle relocates
[17:16] <czajkowski> balloons: sorry I was around yesterday not today
[17:16] <balloons> czajkowski, that's why we have several folks who can help out :-)
[17:17] <czajkowski> balloons: cool was just worried onlybsaw ping now been in a day long sprint
[17:36] <jcastro> hey anyone know how to fire up a hangout on air from hangouts.google.com?
[17:36] <jcastro> instead of this obviously depracated g+ page I've been using?
[19:59] <dpm> yay, second UOS day is over, great sessions throughout!
[19:59] <popey> \o/
[19:59] <popey> yeah, had some really good discussions today
[20:00] <dpm> I've been impressed with the level of in-hangout participation
[20:00] <dpm> given the fact we've not done anything different than previous UOSs wrt organization
[20:03] <popey> Yeah, dunno what has triggered this
[22:44] <wxl> is it possible that someone on the CC can vote on this re-verification? one of our 5 members is a member of the loco and has abstained. another one has been MIA and we've been trying to get in touch to no avail, yet. i still have hope, but they expire tomorrow. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1508190
[22:44] <ubot2> wxl: Error: launchpad bug 1508190 not found
[22:44] <wxl> pleia2: consider this a response to your comment on the bug ↑
[23:12] <mhall119> wxl: bug not found
[23:12] <wxl> mhall119: yeah it's private. i figure you guys have super powers. i can add the cc
[23:13] * mhall119 has only alright powers
[23:15] <wxl> mhall119: cc now added
[23:17] <mhall119> wxl: you need a vote to reach quorum?
[23:17] <wxl> mhall119: with the (hopefully temporary) absence of our one council member and the loss of jose, we really need another seat. i've seen one nomination so far, but i'll take it. i'm not sure if there are rules for how many nominations we need to make a vote on that.
[23:17] <wxl> mhall119: yeah, i need one more +1 to reach quorum.
[23:17] <wxl> mhall119: and pleia2 must abstain too as she's also a member of the LoCo XD
[23:18] <mhall119> wxl: done
[23:18] <wxl> mhall119: thanks!
[23:18] <mhall119> no problem, thanks to you and the LC as well
[23:18] <wxl> no problem XD
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.501036
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"MooDoo",
"balloons",
"czajkowski",
"davidcalle",
"dholbach",
"dpm",
"dupingping",
"jcastro",
"jose",
"mhall119",
"popey",
"ubot2",
"wxl"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-community-team.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-community-team"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-ga
|
[00:57] <neeto> anyone active in here?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.501979
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"neeto"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-ga.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-ga"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-hr
|
[02:21] <jobenty> utro
[02:21] <jobenty> muku mučim s particioniranjem
[02:22] <jobenty> ako je netko budan i ima nešto vremena bio bih zahvalan
[07:01] <BotaniCar> nemosh raditi ista kriticno u 3 ujutro ako nisi evfrzirani profesionalac, shebat ces :)
[07:39] <dodobas> yutro
[07:45] <hbogner> o/
[07:48] <BotaniCar> Ste slagali kad multihomed linjare ? Na kaj treba paziti, osim ruting tablice ?
[07:49] <dodobas> nismo :)
[07:54] <Mmike> multihomed?
[07:55] <Mmike> like, stroj spojen na dve mreze?
[07:55] <Mmike> like, jedna internet, druga lokalna mreza? :)
[07:55] <Mmike> Multihoming refers to a computer or device connected to more than one computer network. It can be used, for example, to increase the reliability of an Internet Protocol network, such as a user served by more than one Internet service provider.
[07:55] <Mmike> BotaniCar: ja sam doma bio spojen jedno vrijeme i na amis i na bnet
[07:55] <Mmike> al neznam na kaj mislis tocno
[07:56] * Mmike si je pribavio Computer Networks od cicha Tannenbauma jer je skuzio da o mrezama nema pojma
[07:56] <jelly> Mmike: spojen dvaput na internet, dva ili vise uplinka
[07:57] <Mmike> znaci ak mu crkne tcom da mu nastavi radit iskon?
[07:57] <Mmike> no, wait, pa to je isto </rantish> :D
[07:57] <BotaniCar> Mmike: dodijelili mi u altusu novi adresni prostor. Sad bi trebao napraviti migraciju u njega bez odlaska tamo i s minimalnim downtimeom. Ideja je da dodam strojeve u novi prostor uz zadrzavanje starog, kad vidim da imam TCP spojivost pointati FQDN-ove na nove adrese, pricekati propagaciju i onda ukloniti stare adrese
[07:58] <BotaniCar> Nemam resursa da stavim load balancer pa cijelu igru odradim s njim
[07:59] <Mmike> "adresni prostor" = ? novi set IPjeva? tipa, prije si imao 150.10.2.0/17, a sad imas 130.20.140.0/17 ?
[07:59] <BotaniCar> Ae
[08:00] <jelly> BotaniCar: samo ti treba policy-based routing da sve udje na jednu rutu unutra izadje na istu van
[08:00] <BotaniCar> Zakaj nisi rekao da te zanima mreza, imam ti knjiga i na nasem i na englestini
[08:00] <jelly> sve sto* udje
[08:00] <BotaniCar> jelly: skuzih
[08:00] <Mmike> pa
[08:00] <Mmike> jos je jednostavnije, rekao bih
[08:00] <BotaniCar> pasmater, telefoni, brb, samo tipkaj
[08:01] <Mmike> BotaniCar: nemoras nista prestekavati, right? i dalje ce ti strojevi bit popikani u iste sviceve ili whatnot?
[08:01] <jelly> centos barem ima podrsku u konfiguraciji za to, na debilani moras sam slagat
[08:01] <BotaniCar> Mmike: da
[08:01] <jelly> Mmike: al on ne zeli imat downtime za switchover dns-a
[08:01] <Mmike> ak da, onda ti je valjda altus pripremio sve, pa skonfas jos jednu IP adresu na stroju, i voila. Slozis rutu tom stroju da prema van ide preko novih ajpijeva, tak da kad ovi to uginu da ti i dalje radi.
[08:01] <Mmike> pa ne mora imat
[08:01] <Mmike> stroj ce bit dostupan na obje IP adrese, ak je altus odradio posao kak treba
[08:02] <BotaniCar> ( kak cu se izjebat' ko majmun s reissuanjem certifikata, ne tehnicki nego zbog biznis modela ) :)
[08:02] <jelly> nemres samo slozit rutu, moras imat dvije routing tablice
[08:02] <BotaniCar> Kaj mi je danas s telefonima, svi me trebaju ..
[08:02] <BotaniCar> da, moram imat' dvije rute i policy da 1 in 1 out, 2 in 2 out
[08:03] <Mmike> zakaj?
[08:03] <Mmike> BotaniCar: kaj imas?
[08:03] <Mmike> od literature, jel
[08:03] <BotaniCar> Zato kaj ce inace defaultati na jednu rutu i imat cu cuspajz tipa in 1th0 out ath1
[08:03] <jelly> zato sto trebaju biti dvije default route
[08:03] <BotaniCar> kak tipkam, pardon
[08:03] <Mmike> ne trebaju, ima jednu default rutu
[08:03] <jelly> jedna nije dosta
[08:04] <BotaniCar> Mmike: krivo. 2 rute, svaka za svoj addr.space , inace imas pakete koji udju sim, izadju tam i cuspajz
[08:04] <jelly> ak hoce servati servise prema internetu paralelno na starim i novim adresama, trebaju dvije
[08:04] <Mmike> ali nece
[08:04] <dodobas> i tako... 2015 na odlasku... VirtualBox ne podržava nested-KVM ... fsck Orakl
[08:04] <Mmike> servirat ce ih samo s novim adresama
[08:04] <Mmike> dodobas: ae :)
[08:04] <jelly> ne smije "samo"
[08:04] <BotaniCar> Mmike: to nije zeljeno stanje.
[08:05] <jelly> treba radit i staro i novo istovremeno
[08:05] <Mmike> dodobas: ja odjebao vbox 2-3 mjeseca nakon sto sam dosao u canonical
[08:05] <jelly> i onda zaswitchat dns
[08:05] <BotaniCar> zbog DNSa
[08:05] <Mmike> cek cek
[08:05] <BotaniCar> jelly: :* :*
[08:05] <Mmike> onda ja failam opako
[08:05] <Mmike> znaci
[08:05] <BotaniCar> Mmike: procitaj me iznad
[08:05] <Mmike> ja imam na stroju IP adresu 192.168.10.100, imam defaultnu rutu preko 192.168.100.1
[08:06] <jelly> svako pametan spusti TTL na 5 minuta, i onda ima 5 minuta downtimea po noci... jer je to jednostavnije :-)
[08:06] <jelly> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[08:06] <Mmike> i imam na stroju IP adresu 10.3.50.1
[08:06] <jelly> al ak zelis izbjeci 5 minuta downtimea ^^
[08:06] <Mmike> i nemam gateway za tu mrezu, jer nemam kaj gatewayirat
[08:06] <Mmike> ili, ajmo rec da imam, za 10.3.0.0/16
[08:07] <dodobas> Mmike: a gle, pristupacan je ... i uglavnom radi ok
[08:08] <dodobas> cak mi je i experimental 3D radio
[08:08] <Mmike> pa kaj nije stroj dostupan i sa 192.168 i sa 10.3 ?
[08:08] <jelly> Mmike: ovdje je prica kad imas, i trebas gw
[08:08] <Mmike> dodobas: tak ti treba takva djidja onda je vbox ok, stovise, kvm je tu dost jadan. Al' sve drugo, kvm. Radi jednako brzo (dugo je bio ocanjo spor, al' sad prakticki k'o da nema overheada, isto k'o vbox)
[08:09] <jelly> Mmike: znaci, iz treceg segmenta moras routanjem moci pristupiti i do 10.3.50.1 i do 192.168.10.100,
[08:09] <BotaniCar> jelly: to je OK ako klijent nema svoj DNS koji se refresha jednom u petoljetci, imam takve klijente
[08:09] <Mmike> sucelje je malo ruznije, al' onda, mosh napisat skriptu koja ce ti deployat 100 strojeva, bootat ih iz isto imidza, svega
[08:09] <Mmike> jelly: pa to je ono oko cega se brine altus, ne?
[08:10] <BotaniCar> Mmike: ALTUS ti da adresni prostor i gateway, that's that, njihova zona odgovornosti terminira na gatewayu
[08:10] <Mmike> BotaniCar: ja imas, od literature, jel? :)
[08:10] <BotaniCar> Mmike: moram doc doma da vidim.
[08:10] <jelly> Mmike: altus ce tebi dovesti promet do interfacea. Tvoje je da promet ide natrag prema gw za 10.3 ako je dosao za 10.3, i prema gw za 192.168 ako je upit dosao na tu adresu
[08:11] <jelly> ako imas samo jednu defaultnu rutu, onda promet koji se ruta uvijek ide van natrag preko 192.168.100.1 i niti jedna TCP konekcija izvana na 10.3.50.1 ne radi
[08:12] <jelly> i onda su netfilterovci izmislili da mozes imati paralelne routing tablice, i markirati kuda koji paketi trebaju ici
[08:13] <BotaniCar> Da dodam sloj kompleksnosti, strojevi su virtualke, prvo moram shonfati host :)
[08:13] <BotaniCar> *skonfati :)
[08:16] <dodobas> moram probat skonfat ganeti i ovs, a nemam bas dva 'servera' da probam
[08:18] <jelly> BotaniCar: zato se port za hipervizor host uvijek stavlja u vlan trunk mod, pa samo dodajes i mices vlanove po potrebi
[08:21] <BotaniCar> jelly: kod hyper-v je mrvu gluplje, moram ( ako nisam nesto krivo zapamtio, a provjerit cu) dodavati vSwitcheve
[08:21] <BotaniCar> Sto je u biti ista stvar :)
[08:24] <Mmike> jelly: al' cek
[08:25] <Mmike> recimo da imam dve IP adrese, 161.53.100.5 i 212.10.22.5. I imam defaultu rutu koja ide preko 212.10.1.1, ali imam i rutu za 161.53.0.0 mrezu koja ide preko 161.53.1.1, reciom
[08:25] <Mmike> zakaj to nebi radilo?
[08:26] <Mmike> i ak se baja spaja na 161.53.100.5, doci ce i vratiti se preok 161.53.1.1, sve ostalo ide preko 212.10.1.1
[08:26] <Mmike> ili skroz krivo brijem?
[08:27] <Mmike> a na altusu je da osigura da to radi tak - sto znaci da ce i baja s carneta koji se spoji na 212.10.22.5 nece doc preok 161.53, nego s druge strane - i opet je sve ok
[08:27] <Mmike> BotaniCar: jesi dobio vec drugi set adresa? Skonfaj i vidi kaj ce se desit :D
[08:28] <BotaniCar> Mmike: planiranje prvo, ta nismo manageri da testiramo prije promisljanja :)
[08:29] <Mmike> kuzis, ovo gore radi kad imam 2 mrezne kartice koja je svaka ustekana u svoju mrezu - pa onda moj modemA zna kaj je 161.53 mreza, a moj modemB zna kaj je 212.10.22 ili kaj vec
[08:29] <Mmike> al' on ima altus iza, i mrezu koja to isto zna
[08:29] <Mmike> tak da bi mu to moralo raditi
[08:46] <BotaniCar> Sto sam nekad promucuran, svi certifikati mi idu na FQDN, mozda necu imati puno sexa :)
[08:46] <BotaniCar> Also, KeyStone Explorer me odusevio kao lokalni certificate manager
[09:06] <jelly> pa hm... na sto bi drugo isli
[09:06] <jelly> BotaniCar: kulike imate certifikata i aplikacija za menedjirat
[09:07] <BotaniCar> jelly: ~60 certifikata ( kako kad), 18 "vanjskih" aplikacija i varijabilni broj internih.
[09:08] <jelly> Mmike: mreza nista ne zna, ak imas jednu default rutu, onda ce ti paketi izlaziti van kroz taj iface sa krivom sors adresom, ili jos gore, za ispravnom sors adresom za taj iface ali krivom za taj connection, i uredjaj s druge strane ce ih glatko izignorirat
[09:08] <jelly> to nije puno, usporedivo s nasim
[09:09] <BotaniCar> Mi smo smallshop u usporedbi s vama :) Vele da se aplikacija lako nosi s vecim brojem unosa, nisam imao kako probati. Mene je funkcionalno odusevila jer nemam puno klikanja da odradim kaj trebam ; i java-based je pa mi svugdje radi
i ak se baja spaja na 161.53.100.5, doci ce i vratiti se preok 161.53.1.1, sve ostalo ide preko 212.10.1.1 # baja se spaja sa 5.6.7.8 na 161.53.100.5. Tvoj linux ne zna to rutat natrag preko 161.53.1.1; radili bi samo klijenti koji su bas drito na 161.53/16
[09:11] <Mmike> jelly: al' imas jedan interfejs
[09:11] <jelly> nebitno
[09:11] <BotaniCar> Mmike: jedan fizicki interfejs moze biti N logickih
[09:11] <BotaniCar> Sto u nasim primjerima i je
[09:11] <Mmike> jelly: znaci, baja koji je na 5.6.7.8 se spoji na 161.53.1.1, al' taj paket nije dosao preko one druge adrese, nego kroz carnet, i vratit ce se kroz carnet, a carnet to zna rutat natrag do baje.
[09:11] <jelly> (i ak je provider pametan, svaka mreza je u svom vlan-u)
[09:12] <jelly> Mmike: kako ce se vratiti kroz carnet?
[09:12] <Mmike> jelly: pa doslo je kroz carnet
[09:12] <jelly> Mmike: pa sto onda?
[09:12] <Mmike> aha, doslo je sa 5.6.7.8
[09:12] <Mmike> a default tura pokazuje na onaj drugi gateway
[09:12] <Mmike> ok, you got a point :)
[09:12] <jelly> e!
[09:12] <Mmike> all clear now
[09:12] <Mmike> BotaniCar: jbg, neznam :)
[09:13] <jelly> to je standardna konfa od 2.4 kernela, jedino debian jos ne zna za tak nove djidje ;-)
[09:13] <Mmike> nevjerojatno mi kak mi netko kravu kade svako jutro
[09:13] <BotaniCar> Mmike: nish ja ne velim, sorry ako zvucim osorno
[09:13] <Mmike> jelly: koje ?
[09:13] <Mmike> jelly: koje je standardna konfa za koju debian nezna?
[09:13] <jelly> dve routing tablice
[09:14] <BotaniCar> Mmike: di imas kravu ?!
[09:14] <jelly> #onokad sused krade kravu
[09:14] <Mmike> BotaniCar: kaj znaci 'logicki' interfejs? Jel' imas jos jednu mac adresu? Ak nemas, onda nije jos jedan interfejs
[09:14] <Mmike> wat?
[09:14] <Mmike> lol, krava :D
[09:14] <jelly> Mmike: VLAN-ovi svi imaju isti mac, a opet su "skroz" odvojeni :-)
[09:15] <BotaniCar> Mmike: "ip link add link eth0 address 00:11:11:11:11:11 eth0.1 type macvlan" sad imas jos jedan MAC
[09:15] <Mmike> macvlan
[09:15] <Mmike> odjebite
[09:15] <BotaniCar> :*
[09:15] <BotaniCar> samo velim, sve moze
[09:15] <Mmike> mackurac tap drekec
[09:15] <Mmike> ma znam
[09:15] <Mmike> ocajan sam kak malo znam o tome :)
[09:15] <Mmike> ponosan sam kaj sam uspio linode priznat da lazu
[09:16] <BotaniCar> Zakaj ? Ak' ti ne treba i jedino ti je bed kaj si nisi doma testnu mrezu skonfal kak treba, onda ces ionako sve zaboravit'
[09:16] <Mmike> prvo su mi trubili da mogu bridgeat interfaejsove i da mi LXCovi mogu bit na mrezi (privatnoj samo, dodue), i da sve mora radit
[09:16] <BotaniCar> Kaj su Linodare lagale ? malo su pre skupi da farbaju usere
[09:16] <Mmike> pa linode su kvm/xen virtualke
[09:16] <Mmike> i imaju jedan mrezni interface
[09:17] <Mmike> i sve dodatne adrese konfas po tom jednom interfejsu
[09:17] <Mmike> i sad sam ja htio da mi LXCovi koji su unutra imaju javne IP adrese i da to radi
[09:17] <jelly> a jel im mozes trazit da budu u istom segmentu
[09:17] <Mmike> medjutoa, ne radi
[09:17] <Mmike> jelly: privatne adrese i jesu u istom segmentu, javne kako koja
[09:17] <Mmike> ugl, digo br0, brdizdo ga na eth0, i rek'o lxcovima da se nakvace na br0
[09:17] <Mmike> i nakeljio im privatne IPjeve kak mi je linode reko
[09:18] <Mmike> sad, LXCovi nemogu na internet bez masqueradinga
[09:18] <Mmike> al' bi morali moz medjusobno komunicirat
[09:18] <Mmike> i linode tvrdi da mogu al' da nisam dobro poslozio
[09:18] <jelly> sad bi nesto reko al ne smijem :-)
[09:19] <Mmike> reci reci :)
[09:19] <Mmike> mosh sapnut! :)
[09:19] <Mmike> ugl, tcpdumpo i gledo i ispalo da linode ima macfiltering i da nemrem to kaj sam htio i da ovi kaj su rekli da se moze nisu dobro rekli :)
[09:20] <BotaniCar> :)
[09:20] <jelly> nisu ti dali popis mac adresa koje smijes stavit?
[09:20] <BotaniCar> Remmina RDP nema clipboard sharing ili sam nekaj sfushal ?
[09:21] <jelly> naravno da ima macfiltering po defaultu, oni tamo imaju hrpu skript kidija koji bi fejkali tudje linodove
[09:21] <jelly> BotaniCar: trenutno trosim xfreerdp, remminu sam preskocijo
[09:22] <BotaniCar> Dosla mi je s UbuntuJom, pa .
[09:22] <jelly> majstori od xfreerdp su zakljucili da jebes unix parametre, ajmo stavit sve parametre ko mstsc, sa slashevima i dvotockama
[09:22] <jelly> s jedne strane: ak znas windowse, super; s druge strane: ak znas linux, koji kurac
[09:22] <Mmike> jelly: nisu, stovise, reko, jel' mi mozete dat MAC adrese da ih skonfiguriram, vele 'sorry, no can do'
[09:23] <jelly> Mmike: lol
[09:23] <Mmike> pa reko, jebo, rekli ste da je taki setup moguc - veli lik, jesmo, sjebali smo, tehnicar nije znao, isprika.
[09:23] <Mmike> tak da sad moram skonfat te sve IPjeve na samim linode hostovima, i maskeradiranjem proturat to host-lokalnih IPjeva prema LXCovima
[09:24] <Mmike> to je zgodno s dockerom, kad ga pokrenes ovaj ti odmah slozi i iptablese tak da ti exposea sve sto treba u dockeru
[09:24] <jelly> ha, tak imam na ustanovi nekoj slozen pristup do XP-a sa prastarom aplikacijom
[09:27] <dodobas> Mmike: http://www.srce.unizg.hr/camt/ ?
[09:29] <Mmike> dodobas: ne pise cijena
[09:29] <Mmike> dodobas: https://class.coursera.org/cloudnetworking-001/auth
[09:29] <Mmike> to slusam
[09:32] <Mmike> Redovna cijena bez popusta: 9.000 kn (PDV uključen)
[09:32] <Mmike> da
[09:32] <Mmike> coursera it is :D
[09:32] <dodobas> :D
[09:54] <jelly> "tehnicar nije znao"
[09:55] <jelly> koliko cesto se rotiraju studenti kod nas u podrsci, vjerojatno je kod njih jos triput gore
[09:56] * Mmike se prisjeca svojih porno dana
[09:56] <Mmike> customer dodje i trazi da mu se nesh prebaci i veli NE DIRAJTE BAZU NA OVOM SERVERU, AKO DIRATE SVAKAKO JU MYSQLDUMPNITE
[09:56] <Mmike> dodje majstor, potaraca sve, naravno i tu bazu
[09:56] <jelly> -_-
[09:57] <Mmike> customer popizdi napise 5k hate maila i iznese plan kaj i kak treba napravit
[09:57] <Mmike> a majstor veli: "Negative, we're not doing that!"
[09:57] <Mmike> kao jedini reply na njegov post
[09:57] <Mmike> :)
[09:57] <jelly> #onokad imas rijetkog customera koji je kompetentan
[09:58] <BotaniCar> Svega mi, jedini dan kad uspijem napraviti nesto sto zahtijeva vise od 10 minuta fokusa je ponedjeljak , kad radim od doma. Ovo u uredu postaje neizdrzivo.
[09:59] <jelly> %$@# From: <[email protected]>
[10:00] <jelly> kome uopce treba mejl, ja bi to sve pogasio i gotovo
[10:03] <jelly> 50% queuea ide na typoane ili namjerno sjebate domene: noreply.com, gmail (samo gmail, bez tocka com), gmail.co, gmial.com, gmail.om, gmail.cm, yahoo.co ...
[10:19] <BotaniCar> Imas filter koji automaCki korekta typoe ? :D
[10:21] <jelly> imam filter koji automatski odjebaje takve na ulazu, ali jos ostaju svi customeri koji imaju typoe u .forward ;-)
[10:21] <jelly> hmm
[10:22] <jelly> ruleovi za typoe su negdje UTEKLI
[10:22] <BotaniCar> ziv'jo backup
[10:44] <jelly> hmm
[11:38] <Mmike> ono kad mami kupis flasu Lagavulina
[11:38] <Mmike> dodjes tjedan dana kasnije, i vise nema!
[11:50] <dodobas> 'bila je prijateljica' ...
[12:01] <Mmike> jok
[12:01] <Mmike> moja mama je pre stara za to
[12:01] <Mmike> 'kaj, pa nisi mi ga kupio da ga gledam'
[12:14] <jelly> ima praf
[12:27] <jelly> samo kod nas: zahoo.com
[12:27] <jelly> id=TYPO_YAHOO ; recipient_domain =~ /^(zahoo\.com|yahoo\.cm)$/ ;
[12:27] <jelly> action=550 5.7.1 probable typo in domain, did you mean yahoo.com
[12:39] <jelly> kdeconnect (android <-> kde desktop) je super
[12:41] <jelly> dodje SMS, notifikacija na desktop; -- zvoni mobitel, stisa muziku; -- navodno moze i browsat fajlove s mobitela
[12:42] <jelly> daljinac za muziku je isto zgodan iako meni nepotreban
[12:59] <pkiller> samo za kde?
[13:01] <jelly> ima i CLI kojeg nisam testirao.
[13:02] <jelly> Vidim da su se moji Neretvani raspisali o sortama mandarina, pa ako vas zanima, ovo će biti berba sorte Kawano wase (uzgajivači je još nazivaju i Ruska). Većina vrijednih ljudi u Neretvi tu je sortu već odavno obrala. Po dobrom starom običaju, mi smo pričekali da potpuno prirodno dozrije i sada je plasiramo.
[13:03] <jelly> > Očekivana isporuka je od utorka 10.11.2015. na dalje
[13:03] <jelly> cijena za 10kg i 20kg se malo spustila -- 10kg 70kn, 20kg 140kn
[13:04] <jelly> Mmike: vrati mandarine u topik, jeble nas mandarine
[13:04] <jelly> ^^ MANDARINE ^^
[13:05] <Mmike> dobro?
[13:05] <jelly> lol
[13:09] <jelly> kak ćeš sad vratiti na staro
[13:09] <pkiller> sad gledam neku konfiguraciju... kad ono vidim Turbo na procesoru :)
[13:09] <pkiller> PROCESOR: AMD FX-Series X6 6350 3.9/4.2GHz Turbo, 14MB
[13:10] <Mmike> erm
[13:10] <Mmike> hm
[13:10] <pkiller> nadam se da onda ima i gumb na kućištu za pravi feeling :)
[13:10] <jelly> pkiller: a jel ima na kućištu gumb za Turbo
[13:11] <jelly> heheh
[13:11] <jelly> Mmike: jbmte ping jelly, stavi link u topik kao prije
[13:11] <BotaniCar> ,ping jelly
[13:11] <pkiller> jelly: mislim da nema... ali uvijek možeš stavit :)
[13:11] <jelly> http://tinyurl.com/mandarineubuntu
[13:12] <Mmike> k'o zena si mi, samo se s tobom ne seksam
[13:12] <Mmike> nikad
[13:12] <BotaniCar> Mozda ovu rundu preskocim, imam jos jedan OPG iz tog kraja, veli frendica da je po 4kn/kg placala. Znat' cu bolje sutra
[13:12] <Mmike> BotaniCar: peetzko. pa idemo se nac, popit gemist s pivom!
[13:13] <BotaniCar> Iz nekog, samo njemu znanog, razloga ste mi detetu jako simpa, pa s cugom nema problema, velim za mandarine :)
[13:13] <jelly> BotaniCar: da, za 4kn/kilo bi pregrmio i sto nisu dozrele prirodno ;-)
[13:14] <jelly> ali tko će svom djetetu uskratiti najbolje moguće...!
[13:14] <jelly> THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[13:16] <BotaniCar> jelly: ako cemo pravo ni o procestu rasta ovih ni nekih drugih mandarina ne znam nista osim sto mi je receno, tak da .. ne da mi se tratiti vrijeme na novu aferu Sever :)
[13:18] <jelly> prvo zaradit milijun kuna, pa onda potrosit 5000 na ispitivanje
[13:18] <BotaniCar> Mogu ja i obrnuto, ako mi drugo garantira prvo !:)
[13:18] <BotaniCar> jelly: mozes se ponoviti, da ne skrolam, kaj koristis za RDPanje ?
[13:19] <BotaniCar> xfreerdp ?
[13:19] <jelly> BotaniCar: xfreerdp, al paket se zove xfreerdp-x11
[13:19] <BotaniCar> si probao "nomachine NX" ?
[13:19] <jelly> 1) nije (bio) free 2) dodatna instalacija potrebna na serveru
[13:24] <Mmike> 大部分销售主管都是从销售第一线被提拔上来
[13:24] <Mmike> eto! :)
[13:24] <Mmike> DREP DREP DRERP
[13:24] <Mmike> aha, rdp
[13:24] <Mmike> eh
[13:34] <BotaniCar> Jelly , spajanje stringom "xfreerdp --sec nla --ignore-certificate /u:domena\administrator /p:mojpass /v:12.34.56.78:3389" mi ne sljaka ( idem na win2008R2 ), kak se ti spajas ?
[13:35] <jelly> cek
[13:35] <jelly> xfreerdp -u jelly -d KITTENS -a 16 -g 1680x1050 -D -k US -x 80 --plugin cliprdr --ignore-certificate -p $(sleep 1; awk -F ' *= *' '/passw/{print $2}' .smbmountrc) jelly-vm.KITTENS.local
[13:36] <BotaniCar> to isto na 2008 ili novije spajas ?
[13:36] <jelly> i onda me on svaki put gnjavi da je konvertirao unix parametre u windows i da pazim sta radim
[13:36] <jelly> ovaj je sedmica, al na 2008 i 2012R2 ide isto
[13:37] <jelly> BotaniCar: za pocetak, :3389 ti ne treba al nije bitno, i linux shell ti vjerojatno sjebe \
[13:37] <BotaniCar> Glup sam , radi i moje, ako idem samo s usernameom, a ne domena\username
[13:38] <jelly> i nemoj ignore certificate ak ne moras -- xfreerdp je kao ssh, zapamtit ce host cert kod prvog spajanja
[13:38] <jelly> /u:'domena\administrator' ili /u:domena\\administrator -- da bash ne pojede \
[13:39] <BotaniCar> Jos nisam skuzio zakaj mi windows hostovi svako malo mijenjaju certifikat, imam nepotpuno poklapanje s windows updateima, muci me ovo "nepotpuno".
[13:39] <jelly> jesu u domeni?
[13:40] <jelly> ili svaki svoje
[13:40] <BotaniCar> Nisam, workgroup
[13:40] <BotaniCar> ( na obje strane )
[13:40] <jelly> oni koji su u domeni ne bi trebali tak cesto mijenjat
[13:40] <BotaniCar> Muci me kaj mijenja uopce
[13:40] <Mmike> picku i servisima koje nemres reloadat
[13:40] <Mmike> nego ih moras restartat
[13:40] <Mmike> corosync
[13:40] <Mmike> pacemaker
[13:40] <Mmike> i
[13:40] <Mmike> mysql
[13:40] <jelly> ne znam kak rade workgrupe
[13:41] <Mmike> govno, a ne basza
[13:41] <jelly> (ne znam ni kak rade domene... ak cemo pravo)
[13:42] <BotaniCar> Ni ja :) Nisam imao svoju vec 5 godina :)
[13:54] <jelly> > Sorry svima koji uporno naručuju jaja – vlada teška 'suša'.
[13:54] <jelly> kontekst!
[13:54] <BotaniCar> :)
[13:56] <jelly> remminu je kolega koristio neko vrijeme, ali mu copy/paste iz excela ili u excel ispade slika (.bmp) brojke a ne brojka
[13:56] <jelly> kak
[13:56] <BotaniCar> meni "guta" slova :) Otipkam "ping", a na ekranu napise "ing" i pride otvori disk manager :)
[13:57] <BotaniCar> kao da je sam stisnuo neki od ctrl/alt/what/not gumba
[13:57] <BotaniCar> I, naravno, samo na jednom serveru tako
[13:57] <jelly> e da, dosta cesto kad switchas vamo-tamo ostane Windows tipka zaglavita
[13:57] <jelly> to se desi kad mu ne das za uzme keyboard focus
[13:58] <jelly> pogotovo na ubuntutu koji uzme Windows keypress
[13:58] <BotaniCar> Da.
[13:58] <jelly> kde <3
[13:58] <BotaniCar> :) Unity :)
[14:00] <Mmike> HRANA!
[14:00] <jelly> etoga filter nazad
[14:07] <BotaniCar> Sam, ili uz tvoju pomoc ? :D ( ako pricamo o ranije spomenutom typo filteru )
[14:32] <Vlado9A3CY> dobar dan
[14:36] <BotaniCar> bok Vlado9A3CY
[14:48] <jelly> neće se ništa samo na žalost
[14:53] <BotaniCar> Ovi u altusu mi nisu u stan na dva odvojena porta dofurati dva linka, ako dofuraju jedan - drugi padne :)
[14:53] <BotaniCar> *stanju
[15:03] <Mmike> BotaniCar: u stanu?
[15:03] <Mmike> a, stanju :)
[15:41] <vileni> mandarine
[15:45] <Mmike> ndinemdadna
[20:44] <obrut> bas su lijeni ti openstreetmaperi :P
[21:53] <ipozgaj> mariocole: yt?
[21:53] <ipozgaj> ups
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.517400
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BotaniCar",
"Mmike",
"Vlado9A3CY",
"dodobas",
"hbogner",
"ipozgaj",
"jelly",
"jobenty",
"obrut",
"pkiller",
"vileni"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-hr.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-hr"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-discuss
|
[00:20] <wileee> user is not new and knows support limits here
[00:24] <OerHeks> :-)
[04:12] <Bashing-om> Had all I can stand, can't stands no more. Gnight .
[10:50] <TJ-> Morning
[11:12] <lordievader> o/
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:44] <TJ-> Heya
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: hi mate
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did the acpi guy solve his issue?
[11:49] <TJ-> I don't know :)
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:18] <TJ-> afternoon/morning/evening/gnight!
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TJ-
[14:39] <lotus|xenial> good afternoon from xenial
[14:40] <TJ-> hiay Mr XXx
[14:40] <lotus|xenial> lol
[14:41] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:41] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: my linksys wifi card has dissapeared from system, and its plugged in
[14:42] <lotus|xenial> hey pauljw
[14:43] <pauljw> :)
[14:43] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: how is it connected? Which bus?
[14:43] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: pci
[14:44] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: does "lspci -nn" show it?
[14:44] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: no, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101733/
[14:44] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: and it worked on trusty fine
[14:45] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: could this be a kernel thing?
[14:45] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: looks like there might be a PCI bus windows issue. can you "dmesg | pastebinit"
[14:45] <lotus|xenial> ive tested 2 different pci slots
[14:47] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: this is the same motherboard as had Trusty on?
[14:47] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101755/
[14:47] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: yes
[14:48] <TJ-> [ 0.100479] acpi PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMCONFIG information, can't access extended PCI configuration space under this bridge.
[14:49] <lotuspsychje_> system freeze lol
[14:49] <TJ-> [ 0.100479] acpi PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMCONFIG information, can't access extended PCI configuration space under this bridge.
[14:51] <lotuspsychje_> TJ-: should i bug it?
[14:51] <TJ-> lotuspsychje_: try adding to the kernel command-line: "pci=nocrs"
[14:51] <lotuspsychje_> ok
[14:54] <lotuspsychje_> ok brb reboot
[14:57] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: no luck
[14:58] <lotus|xenial> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="pci=nocrs"
[15:00] <lotus|xenial> 2.171409] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [ALKA] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 20
[15:00] <lotus|xenial> [ 2.175241] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [ALKA] enabled at IRQ 20
[15:00] <lotus|xenial> weird stuff
[15:02] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: OK, instead of that try "pci=realloc"
[15:02] <lotus|xenial> ok holdon
[15:02] <lotus|xenial> reboot :p
[15:05] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: nothing
[15:14] <lotus|xenial> ok gonna test trusty live to compare
[15:15] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: grab the dmesg and lspci -nn
[15:17] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101969/
[15:18] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13101978/
[15:19] <TJ-> haha I meant from Trusty!
[15:19] <lotus|xenial> ah kk lol
[15:19] <lotus|xenial> in a bit
[15:21] <TJ-> if it was upgraded to xenial, rather than a fresh install, there should be an older backup dmesg.X.log* from the previous version with the info in
[15:22] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: yeah upgraded from 15.10
[15:23] <TJ-> do an "ls -latr /var/log/dmesg* and pick one with a date that would have been the previous release
[15:25] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: only 1 dmesg log around
[15:27] <TJ-> drat
[15:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: not sure it worked on 15.10 either so
[15:27] <lotus|xenial> ill test out trusty lspci first
[16:45] <OerHeks> yay .. Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04
[18:00] <TJ-> grief! some people :)
[18:01] <OerHeks> Oh, you are fond of USC ?
[18:12] <TJ-> Eh? No - I was commenting on pikapi managing to destroy Ubuntu 3 times a day apparently
[18:14] <OerHeks> oh, reinstalling windows would take a day or more :-D
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: trusty didnt see the wifi card either, so i played around with bios and just cant find it
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> minimal defaults,optimized,all pci settings,...
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> tomorrow ill try cmos reset
[18:35] <TJ-> did it work ?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nop
[18:35] <TJ-> has it been dislodged in the PCI slot slightly?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: cant find what happened
[18:35] <TJ-> worth reseating it
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: tryed both slot, but ill try again tomorrow also
[18:36] <TJ-> oh yeah, you did say, sorry... very tired here
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> no sweat mate
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> good evening wileee
[18:42] <wileee> howdee pardner, heh
[18:43] <wileee> from the really really "west" coast
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:45] <TJ-> There's some great upstream work for a centralised UEFI firmware update service
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-on-other-phones-would-be-a-mistake-right-now-says-mark-shuttleworth-495724.shtml
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/another-wave-of-hacking-in-china-this-time-with-techcrunch/
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> good evening OerHeks
[19:19] <OerHeks> hi lotus :-)
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> !ping | wileee
[19:19] <OerHeks> !pang
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:28] <wileee> twang yee all
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:29] * lotuspsychje gets his snappy translator drone
[19:30] <wileee> missed talked like a pirate, I proclaim this talk like a country western stereotype daze
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj
[19:40] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[19:40] <BluesKaj> taking a break from raking leaves ... a beautiful day here , sunny and 20C
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[19:41] <TJ-> mmmm, leaf mulch
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> good for the dogs to run in
[19:42] <TJ-> nooooo! leaf mulch is wonderful stuff; give it a year or 2 to rot down
[19:42] <BluesKaj> too much for mulch here, send then to my friend's farm for landfill
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> proteins for the ground
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ok , the rake awaits ..bbiab
[20:01] <wileee> good aerobics
[20:01] <wileee> for you and the ground
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[23:20] <daftykins> i can only imagine these folk keep closing the program offering the update when the times come...
[23:22] <Bashing-om> point and click, point and click, never see else - duhhh .. what is a terminal ?
[23:22] <OerHeks> yes, like now on 15.04
[23:22] <OerHeks> :-D
[23:22] <OerHeks> still havent updated yet.
[23:24] <Bashing-om> 15.04 -> 15.10; My plan next month, when the load on the servers is lessened . But my main squeeze is 14.04 !
[23:28] <daftykins> :)
[23:32] <daftykins> seems we've got the "can't read" convention in town today
[23:33] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Has the greater patience than I .. " read the instructions, and then we discuss" is a general mind frame for me .
[23:34] <wileee> this user always has these issues been coming here for awhile
[23:34] <daftykins> i dunno about that ;) i want to murder them both
[23:35] <wileee> heh called a troll
[23:35] <wileee> is the one I meant
[23:36] <Bashing-om> What gets me is people looking this gift horse in the mouth - and not making any contributions .
[23:36] <daftykins> yeah ablest is an idiot
[23:36] <wileee> I think we get really young people maybe hard tp say
[23:37] <daftykins> definitely, you can spot the teens and kids a mile away usually
[23:37] <wileee> yeah
[23:37] <daftykins> "omg omg help me"
[23:37] <wileee> lol lol lol
[23:37] <wileee> by them
[23:37] <Ben64> ablest1980 = 35 years old?
[23:38] <daftykins> let's hope not ;)
[23:38] <wileee> ;)
[23:38] <daftykins> oh great now Twirl is back too
[23:38] <Ben64> like me, ben64 = ben1964 = 51
[23:38] <Bashing-om> If they are willing to learn, we can help . " Buy a man a fish" kinda thing . Else, enablement to cause destruction .
[23:39] <Ben64> although thats not correct at all
[23:40] <Ben64> tgm4883 = -2868 years old = time traveler
[23:40] <OerHeks> never gets older
[23:40] <daftykins> Ben64: hmm i had you pegged for closer to me :P
[23:41] <wileee> 51 here, just practicing 'get off my lawn' on occasion as of now
[23:41] <Ben64> i wasn't born in 64, but i've had many people ask me that with this nick
[23:41] <Ben64> its actually for the n64
[23:41] <Ben64> which probably gives you a better idea of my age
[23:43] <daftykins> samthewildone = troll?
[23:43] <daftykins> :)
[23:44] <OerHeks> n64 - 1996–2003
[23:44] <Ben64> rip :(
[23:45] <OerHeks> zx-81 5 March 1981 - 1984
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.534407
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Bashing-om",
"Ben64",
"BluesKaj",
"OerHeks",
"TJ-",
"daftykins",
"lordievader",
"lotuspsychje",
"lotuspsychje_",
"lotus|xenial",
"pauljw",
"wileee"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-discuss.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-discuss"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-appdev
|
[10:50] <hayman> hi
[10:51] <hayman> when the event starts ?
[10:55] <mikke> ik wil ubuntu op mij tabet kan dat
[12:37] <Dragos> hello
[12:37] <Dragos> is this startec
[12:37] <Dragos> is this started
[12:59] <Dragos> hi
[13:00] <Dragos> mhall119:
[13:16] <mhall119> Dragos: yes?
[13:19] <Dragos> when this video will start
[13:20] <Dragos> and in the yesterday video you sad that at 10 i can join canonical or something? how?
[13:21] <Dragos> mhall119:
[13:22] <mhall119> Dragos: I said that you had a few years still before joining Canonical
[13:22] <mhall119> in the past we've hired or contracted with developers who were as young as 16
[13:22] <Dragos> oh...
[13:23] <Dragos> but do u contracted with him?
[13:23] <mhall119> not anymore, he left to attend University
[13:24] <Dragos> but how do u contracted with him?
[13:24] <mhall119> it was a work contract
[13:24] <mhall119> pretty standard
[13:24] <Dragos> ohh ...
[13:25] <Dragos> now undertand
[13:26] <Dragos> now i understand
[13:27] <Dragos> ask the ceo:
[13:53] <Dragos> hi
[13:53] <kesha> hi
[13:53] <Dragos> xD
[13:53] <kesha> :P
[13:54] <Dragos> my headphones just got broken. lol
[13:54] <kesha> lol fix them :D
[13:54] <Dragos> k'
[13:55] <kesha> ty
[13:59] <kesha> Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6
[14:00] <kesha> Qt Purchasing is a commercial add-on module developed by The Qt Company
[14:00] <kesha> which implements a cross-platform API for in-app purchases on iOS and
[14:00] <kesha> Android.
[14:00] <kesha> Qt Purchasing is a commercial add-on :O its a comercial plugin mean ??? developers have to buy it ???
[14:01] <Osgood1> Oooo - exciting!!
[14:01] <Osgood1> Can't wait to see what's in store for Scopes
[14:03] <dobey> kesha: why are you asking about qtpurchasing in the scopes session? :)
[14:03] <dobey> kesha: qtpurchasing is open sourced with qt 5.6 now. it has been a commercial plug-in in the past though, yes.
[14:03] <davidcalle> Hi everyone, we'll start in two minutes!
[14:04] <kesha> oh thanks for informing
[14:04] <Osgood1> davidcalle: 💪
[14:05] <justCarakas> we hear you
[14:08] <davidcalle> If you have any questions, please make sure to prepend them with QUESTION:
[14:20] <marcustomlinson> FYI: JavaScript Scopes session tomorrow: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22616/javascript-scopes-hands-on/
[14:20] <dobey> who is cooking? :)
[14:23] <alecu> let's hope marcus has got his voice back for tomorrow's session!
[14:23] <marcustomlinson> yeah lets hope :P (for everybody's sake)
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> QUESTION: could you give a brief overview of what filters will be available, and how they will add to the overall user experience?
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> trust pawel to give it to you straight :)
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> excellent answer, thanks!
[14:31] <mvvvv> how the apps you developped this way are platform dependants ? DE dependants ?
[14:33] <alecu> mvvvv: thanks for your question
[14:33] <davidcalle> If anyone wants to play with the thumbnailer, there is a tutorial for QML apps https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/use-ubuntu-thumbnailer/
[14:34] <alecu> I'd like to ask the audience to prefix questions for the Hangout with "QUESTION:"
[14:35] <marcustomlinson> mvvvv: could you rephrase your question? sorry, I'm not sure I understand it.
[14:35] <mvvvv> ok sorry
[14:35] <alecu> I'll answer it shortly on the hangout
[14:36] <marcustomlinson> ok :) alecu understood
[14:37] <mvvvv> reusability outside unity
[14:37] <davidcalle> mvvvv, gotcha, thanks :)
[14:37] <dobey> they are plug-ins for unity8
[14:38] <dobey> other platforms could use the scopes libraries to provide integration via scopes, but unity8 is the only one that works with these scopes apis now
[14:38] <gwaka> QUESTION: Is there some plan to provide a fully customizable scope ? A way to aggregate apps, contents, favorites on a scope directly on the phone ?
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> mvvvv: the unity8 front-end and scopes back-end infrastructure are abstracted such that the back-end can be reused at least on other Linux distros
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> mvvvv: it is pure C++
[14:39] <mvvvv> ok thanks
[14:42] <BrianLinuxing> Interesting answer on Unity 8, any thoughts when there might be a stable Unity 8? Approximately?
[14:42] <alecu> BrianLinuxing: is that a QUESTION: for the hangout? :-)
[14:43] <dobey> unity8 is stable now
[14:43] <BrianLinuxing> Question: any time-scale when there might be a stable Unity 8? Approximately?
[14:43] <alecu> BrianLinuxing: thanks :-)
[14:43] <dobey> we've been shipping it on retail products for almost a year now :)
[14:43] <marcustomlinson> BrianLinuxing: I assume you mean for desktop?
[14:43] <BrianLinuxing> Sorry alecu, I am reading rather slowly, as I listen :)
[14:44] <gwaka> ok thanks for the answer
[14:44] <marcustomlinson> gwaka: you question is an excellent one by the way. We did design with this idea in mind. We would love to provide such an experience
[14:45] <gwaka> that would be very cool :)
[14:45] <marcustomlinson> so yeah, its on the todo list :)
[14:45] <BrianLinuxing> sorry wasn't 100% clear, Question: with Ubuntu phones when is a reasonable timescale for a really stable Unity 8?
[14:46] <dobey> oh, kyle transformed into a different kyle
[14:46] <marcustomlinson> hahaha
[14:47] <dobey> BrianLinuxing: what is "really stable" in that respect? it's pretty stable now, but will continue getting bug fixes, and occasionally some new features when necessary for new scopes features and such, or to fix interaction issues that we run into
[14:48] <kyrofa> dobey, yeah I got up and running with the streamed video :P
[14:49] <marcustomlinson> BrianLinuxing: perhaps this session later would be a good place to ask that: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22633/developing-unity-8/
[14:50] <kyrofa> Distributing a .so feels a little dirty though
[14:51] <dobey> kyrofa: well, how else would you distribute a go scope?
[14:51] <marcustomlinson> guys, we are really talking about 2 different things though. gwaka asked for an experience where the user creates an aggregator scope on the fly from the UI
[14:51] <BrianLinuxing> dobey, good point. I saw a Ubuntu phone the other week for the first time. I was impressed. I liked it. But I got the impression there might be some stability issues, I was curious overall.
[14:51] <dobey> you could always link statically too
[14:51] <kyrofa> dobey, I mean the way that aggregator works now you essentially have to commit the .so into version control
[14:52] <kyrofa> Especially if you're talking about hashing the .so
[14:52] <davidcalle> marcustomlinson, if it's just filling values into a JSON file, imagining a UI taking care of it is not too far fetched
[14:52] <gwaka> Yes, the objective is to be able to create the aggregation on the fly,thus not pb of security
[14:52] <dobey> kyrofa: i think the bigger problem is that they have to run unconfined
[14:52] <marcustomlinson> davidcalle: correct! But the guys are talking about releasing aggregators to store now. So the topic got a little sidetracked
[14:53] <davidcalle> marcustomlinson, right, still interesting :)
[14:53] <dobey> but yes, what gwaka was asking for is what design has been working on
[14:53] <marcustomlinson> gwaka: :) I think they did understand, they just got sidetracked
[14:53] <dobey> customization
[14:53] <gwaka> I saw that :)
[14:53] <gwaka> but I had my answer anyway
[14:54] <marcustomlinson> We can do that keywords thing for sure
[14:56] <davidcalle> Thanks everyone!
[14:56] <balloons> hello all
[14:56] <balloons> hopefully I won't have crickets for this session
[14:56] <alecu> thanks all!
[14:56] <balloons> I'll set it up and we'll roll
[14:56] <ahayzen> new jenkins \o/
[14:57] <davidcalle> Hey balloons, have a nice session :)
[14:57] <balloons> indeed
[15:00] <balloons> ok, video link should be posted
[15:03] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Will the CI dashboard ever be fixed again?
[15:04] <ahayzen> QUESTION: In music we mock the mediascanner2 database, however sometimes they make changes to their schemas and this breaks our mocking. Is there the possibility we could have jenkins periodically run a 'sanity' test over trunk, if the CI dashboard isn't going to be working ;-)
[15:13] <lolzilla> hi all
[15:14] <lolzilla> is the camera app core?
[15:14] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah we just wants at least a heads up :-)
[15:15] <ahayzen> "oh we need to rebuild our mocked db"
[15:16] <ahayzen> yeah that'd be cool :-)
[15:18] <lolzilla> QUESTION: witch apps are the core apps? is cammera app core app?
[15:19] <ahayzen> QUESTION: For the manual testing results page, some of the comments for the tests say "Didn't want to remove SD card", however I don't know if they clicked fail or skip. Firstly could the comments state what the person clicked and secondly would there be a way of changing a fail to a skip if someone had selected fail when they don't have an SD card etc
[15:19] <ahayzen> lolzilla, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[15:19] <ahayzen> balloons, https://ubuntu-community-testing.staging.ubuntu.com/reports/overview
[15:19] <ahayzen> lolzilla, camera is a 'system' app built by Canonical not the community
[15:20] <lolzilla> oh thanks balloons, the scroll didn't scroll and i didn't see your message
[15:20] <lolzilla> sorry balloons
[15:20] <popey> Note: Canonical is part of the Community :)
[15:20] <lolzilla> i'm on firefox
[15:20] <ahayzen> lolzilla, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps
[15:20] <lolzilla> usually i'm using chrome
[15:20] <lolzilla> chrome > firefox
[15:20] <popey> To be accurate "camera is a system app which is built by some people (who happen to work for canonical)" :D
[15:20] <popey> *>firefox
[15:20] <lolzilla> i see, popey
[15:21] <ahayzen> popey, hehe ;-)
[15:21] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/
[15:22] <Dragos> QUESTION: is terminal a core app?
[15:22] <popey> yes
[15:22] <balloons> ahayzen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-testing/+bug/1509015
[15:22] <popey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/
[15:22] <ahayzen> balloons, ah :-)
[15:24] <Dragos> QUESTION:why terminal is not in ubuntu touch 13.04
[15:24] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Maybe you should explain when and where to use autopilot vs qmltest vs manual tests
[15:25] <lolzilla> QUESTION: when will the core apps replace the gnome apps, like gnome termina, files etc
[15:25] <ahayzen> Dragos, from what I understand, its up to the manufacturer which apps they ship, however it is available in the store :-)
[15:25] <ahayzen> popey, ^^ that's correct right?
[15:26] <popey> Yes
[15:26] <popey> Touch 13.04 is somewhat retro
[15:26] <Dragos> QUESTION: why ubuntu store is not in ubuntu touch 13.04
[15:26] <lolzilla> QUESTION: what will replace the rest of the gnome apps, like for ex gnome font viewer? what core app
[15:26] <popey> Nobody uses 13.04, that's like a phone with loads of cardboard cutouts for apps.
[15:27] <popey> Dragos, what device?
[15:28] * mzanetti rewinds :D
[15:28] <lolzilla> 13.04??? that's like 5 years old
[15:28] <lolzilla> upgrade to 16.04
[15:30] <lolzilla> wb Dragos
[15:30] <Dragos> QUESTION:WHo can quess my age? im 10
[15:31] <Dragos> wb?
[15:32] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Autopilot Vis is awesome, are there any plans to have the ability to click on the component in the UI to show its data rather than expanding the massive tree
[15:33] <lolzilla> QUESTION: what is your favourite comunity app and why?
[15:33] <lolzilla> core
[15:33] <Dragos> QUESTION:how are yo all doing?
[15:35] <gwaka> QUESTION: I don't have "man" command on my terminal apps, is it me or is it by default ? if so, why ?
[15:36] <mzanetti> ahayzen, check out gammaray
[15:36] <Dragos> QUESTION:what is ur email?
[15:37] <mzanetti> ahayzen, http://www.kdab.com/gammaray/
[15:37] <ahayzen> mzanetti, wow! interesting
[15:37] <ahayzen> balloons, look at that ^^
[15:38] <mzanetti> ahayzen, https://launchpad.net/~gerboland/+archive/ubuntu/unity-mir
[15:38] <mzanetti> there's a package...
[15:38] <ahayzen> :-)
[15:39] <mzanetti> although not built for wily... but might still work... otherwise you can probably push that package to a ppa of yours to rebuild it for wily
[15:39] <mzanetti> or kindly ask Gerry to rebuild :)
[15:41] <James_Mulholland> Good choice Nicholas
[15:41] <lolzilla> dekko it is :D
[15:41] <James_Mulholland> Not that DanChapman and I are biased ;-)
[15:41] <lolzilla> good choice :D
[15:41] <lolzilla> thanks balloons
[15:41] <DanChapman> \o/ Dekko!
[15:41] <ahayzen> thanks balloons :-)
[15:42] <James_Mulholland> thanks balloons!
[15:42] <balloons> lol, I really really want to run it on my desktop too
[15:42] <balloons> I'm with mhall119 on this. I'm ready to replace Thunderbird
[15:43] <balloons> The session talking about Pilot is tomorrow: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22588/user-level-testing-for-ubuntu-phone/
[15:43] <balloons> and user testing of the phone in general
[15:45] <balloons> gwaka, I've got to try man now on my device, hah
[15:46] <mzanetti> balloons, thanks for the session. and once more, great job on the new jenkins stuff
[15:46] <balloons> silly me didn't even demo it
[15:46] <balloons> d'oh
[15:46] <mzanetti> well, you were talking about it
[15:47] <balloons> yea.. it's easy to blather, but I could have perhaps made it more flashly
[15:47] <balloons> I didn't even think about it
[16:00] <James_Mulholland> Hello!
[16:00] <DanChapman> o/
[16:00] <popey> ooh, look at the time
[16:00] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNmPvww8mjmXjXo0pZOZ2JNjqyr3vrJ5muFU_NI7at-Bzrcw?hl=en&authuser=0
[16:00] <popey> for those that want to join
[16:00] <popey> DanChapman, ^ James_Mulholland
[16:03] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-dekko-mail-planning
[16:05] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Firstly, Dekko is awesome! I'm still amazed at how it can download my emails over IMAP on a 2G connection :-) However, on startup/loading messages there are UI freezes does this occur on your devices, if so are there plans to eradicate this?
[16:06] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Sometimes I receive emails (usually on mailing lists) from people who I don't is there an easy way to display the full email address so that I can see the domain? (I expected tapping on the name todo this, as in gmail, but it doesn't)
[16:07] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Can you try Dekko on 15.10?
[16:09] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Alot of the HTML emails are to wide/small for the device, would it be possible to have pinch to zoom support in the message view ?
[16:10] <tikatik> *<|:o)
[16:18] <CheeseBrg> Just learned how to use Xchat
[16:18] <ahayzen> CheeseBrg, try HexChat ;-)
[16:18] <ahayzen> its XChat but still maintained
[16:19] <CheeseBrg> ahayzen, is it easier to use?
[16:19] <ahayzen> it looks exactly the same, but pre sets up some other security stuff for you
[16:22] <CheeseBurg> Now using hexchat
[16:22] <ahayzen> \o/ lol
[16:22] <CheeseBurg> irc is so complex
[16:28] <ahayzen> popey, battery critical !
[16:28] <ahayzen> that dialog comes up and says "Battery Settings..." or "Ok"
[16:31] <CheeseBurg> popey, When you hit "reply". Hate it when it is after I send it
[16:32] <davmor2> popey: I would pop up messages on click on reply/create new mail
[16:33] <ahayzen> davmor2, but if i'm on the train i don't wanna be trying to remember the smtp settings
[16:33] <popey> +1
[16:33] <CheeseBurg> popey: Does Dekko automatically set up email accounts like iOS. Basically you give it a gmail and it sets up IMAP/POP and SMTP or whatever
[16:33] <ahayzen> davmor2, i would rather that happen while i'm also looking up the POP3 settings
[16:35] <davmor2> I agree account is better
[16:38] <CheeseBurg> music, dekko, browser = the trinity
[16:38] <ahayzen> :-)
[16:46] <ahayzen> popey, don't forget the questions ;-) lol
[16:51] <ahayzen> CheeseBurg, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[16:52] <ahayzen> (the coreapps ppa)
[16:53] <CheeseBurg> thanks guys
[16:54] <ahayzen> thanks DanChapman, James_Mulholland, popey :-)
[16:54] <popey> yeah, thanks guys!
[16:54] <DanChapman> :-D
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, do you remember how the other coreapps get built for the PPA? as none of them are building for wily yet?
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, is it a switch in jenkins?
[16:55] <ahayzen> the current situation is quite poor ;-) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily?field.series_filter=wily
[16:55] <popey> ahayzen, no, but I have a meeting with francis on friday and will bring it up there ;)
[16:55] <ahayzen> cool thanks :-)
[17:29] <h4ck3r> is anybody there!
[17:34] <h4ck3r> ?
[18:02] <dbarth> we're about to start
[18:38] <dobey> QUESTION: Is it possible for click packages to provide plug-ins which require a new C++ back-end to be implemented?
[18:39] <dobey> mardy: untappd and meetup are examples where there are existing plug-ins
[18:43] <dbarth> dobey: hey, ok; let's see what mardy says
[18:44] <dobey> the examples were for the comment where he was talking about plug-ins included in ubuntu, and ones that are not. i wasn't asking about them :)
[18:45] <dobey> because there's no way to tell the online-accounts-ui to load the QML from the click's plug-in path for example
[18:45] <dobey> not necessarily signond plug-ins, but if we need to provide some c++ for the QML to use in the ui
[18:46] <dbarth> dobey: want to hop on the hangout maybe ?
[18:46] <dobey> i can i guess if i need to, but only a few minutes left and it's the only question :P
[18:48] <dbarth> nw, we're trying to answer and can follow up later of course
[18:53] <dobey> yeah, the reminders app looks ok
[18:54] <DanChapman> thanks guys!
[18:59] <dobey> hmm
[19:01] <alecu> hello
[19:01] <dobey> no hangout?
[19:02] <kyrofa> Who's hosting it?
[19:02] <dobey> not it
[19:02] <kyrofa> :P
[19:03] <alecu> here's the hangout link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeHL2UvfsamCzH5TQBlZcJALcwE1GDteY_SqvrDCFj_YDVqDg?hl=en&authuser=0
[19:03] <Wellark> starting in a few minutes. we are having some technical difficultios
[19:03] <kyrofa> What happened to popeyfan1 and PopeyFan?
[19:04] <popeyfan2> they became fans of balloons instead
[19:04] <alecu> here's the youtube link: http://youtu.be/bBj5zkJ7ffs
[19:04] <kyrofa> :D
[19:04] <balloons> your nick betrays you
[19:08] <alecu> popey: do you want to join the hangout?
[19:13] <balloons> alecu, popey is in the other session
[19:14] <popey> hmm?
[19:14] <alecu> balloons: ah, great
[19:14] <alecu> sorry
[19:14] <popey> np :)
[19:14] <balloons> alecu, I can be here to pepper you with question, lol
[19:17] <alecu> balloons: that would be great, thanks!
[19:17] * balloons just realized he's behind live
[19:19] <balloons> QUESTION: do you have a little demo you can give of how it works?
[19:20] <balloons> QUESTION: Can you give a brief technical overview of what IAP will look like? I need to add something to my app (the purchasing API), and then how much control and stats will I see in the webstore?
[19:22] <balloons> QUESTION: Are there limitations for how much I can charge (or a minimum I need to charge)?
[19:23] <balloons> QUESTION: Will I be able to have multiple IAPs, all at different prices?
[19:23] <kyrofa> balloons, right now yeah. Minimum is $2.99 (if I remember correctly. He just said during the slides)
[19:23] <dobey> balloons: that was answered already in the video (there is a minimum currently, same as minimum for app purchases)
[19:23] <balloons> ack, I assumed as much, I missed a couple mins during the slides
[19:24] <balloons> seems my last question is answered now as well, given his API demo. I should be able to define many IAP's. I'm mostly curious about how this works on the store side
[19:25] <dobey> yes, you can have lots of items defined in the store.
[19:26] <balloons> and it sounds like that answers my store question as well.
[19:28] <kyrofa> hangouts almost had a heart attack there
[19:30] <dobey> any more questions?
[19:31] <balloons> thanks for the session guys!
[19:32] <alecu> balloons: thanks to you for all the questions :-)
[19:34] <kyrofa> Thanks guys!
[19:34] <Wellark> alecu: did you remember to stop the live feed? :)
[19:35] <alecu> Wellark: I think I didn't :P
[19:35] <Wellark> alecu: ok. it stopped now
[19:35] <Wellark> :D
[19:36] <alecu> Wellark: I had to rejoin the hangout and manually stop it!
[19:36] <Wellark> :D
[19:36] <Wellark> "well, we did make it 60 minutes.."
[20:08] <aquarius> alecu, are you still around? I missed the IAP session but I'm watching it now, and I have questions :)
[20:09] <alecu> aquarius: hi sil! sure, I'm around
[20:10] <aquarius> alecu, heya, pal :)
[20:10] <aquarius> alecu, question about one-time IAPs. How can I verify that a purchase was made? Do you give me some sort of signed token that I can save and verify later?
[20:11] <aquarius> alecu, that is: I don't want to just call IAP.purchaseAThing(theThing) and have it return "true" and then I save "theThing: purchased" in my local database, because someone could just open the Terminal and then edit that database
[20:11] <aquarius> alecu, but equally I don't want to request https://iap.canonical.com/didIPurchase?thing=aThing&user=userid because then I can only check if I'm online :)
[20:12] <alecu> aquarius: good point
[20:12] <alecu> aquarius: I don't think we are handling the offline case just now
[20:13] <alecu> aquarius: let me find the people working on that
[20:13] <alecu> Wellark: are you still around? ^
[20:13] <aquarius> ah. So I call some sort of haveTheyPurchasedThisThing() API and it calls the server, I assume :)
[20:14] <alecu> aquarius: right: http://doc.qt.io/QtPurchasing/qtpurchasing-gettingstarted-qml.html#restoring-previously-purchased-products
[20:15] <aquarius> ah, this isn't *quite* about restoring purchases if I uninstalled the app. This is about unlockable features.
[20:16] <aquarius> Say my file transfer app only allows you to transfer 10MB of files at once, but you can pay £1.99 to unlock "unlimited transfers".
[20:16] <aquarius> How can the app know, without contacting the canonical servers (because it might not be connected to the internet) whether that has been purchased?
[20:17] <aquarius> if I drop my phone in the bath and then buy another phone then definitely I'd want to restore the purchase, but that's a one-time thing, and might ask for my password; I can't do that every time the app starts up
[20:18] <alecu> aquarius: that's a good point. And I can understand that it's not solved by storing a flag in a db of the app, because it would be trivial to defeat.
[20:18] <aquarius> exactly
[20:19] <alecu> aquarius: we've not implemented any of that yet. We are closely following QtPurchasing, which provides an abstraction on top of our store, and that will allow you to port your QML app to the android and ios stores.
[20:19] <aquarius> if I ship a good app with IAPs, the first comment on every website about it will be "open the Terminal; type 'echo yes > ~/.local/share/goodapp.sil/unlocked', and now you've got it for free" :)
[20:19] <alecu> aquarius: but I'm going to take your problem and talk with the QtPurchasing devels upstream
[20:20] <alecu> aquarius: do you know if any of the other app stores solves this thing?
[20:20] <aquarius> alecu, yeah. Other app stores solve it by not giving you root on the phone, so you can't edit the phone's data files. :)
[20:20] <alecu> lol
[20:21] <aquarius> Note that the use case I talk about is only one use case for IAP; other use cases don't have the same problem. (For example, if I buy 100 coins in a MMORPG, then my coin total is held on the server; the server does not trust the client about this.)
[20:22] <alecu> aquarius: yes, I know this only applies to apps that have extra content inside the app
[20:22] <alecu> aquarius: like a game with extra levels
[20:22] <alecu> it does not apply to apps that talk to a server.
[20:22] <aquarius> and in the limit case even if you *do* give me a signed token, I can't stop someone actually becoming root and editing the app QML to change "if (purchased)" to "if (true)" :-)
[20:24] <aquarius> so maybe I just have to live with it -- verify online; if not online, check my own database
[20:25] <aquarius> anyone who really cares about this sort of thing (Candy Crush, Clash of Clans, whatever) is going to have a server with accounts and track purchases there anyway
[20:27] <aquarius> alecu, next question: why not invent Ubuntu Coins which cost £1.99 for 200, and then let people buy things with Ubuntu Coins? Then the minimum purchase problem goes away.
[20:35] <alecu> aquarius: I'm asking the server guys for that, that would be a great feature
[20:39] <aquarius> alecu, perhaps I missed it in the video, but is there a demo of what the purchasing UI looks like? (And whether I can customise it?)
[21:00] <alecu> aquarius: we've not shown a demo just yet. I guess we should share a video of how it's looking so far
[21:00] <aquarius> that'd be cool :)
[21:01] <aquarius> ok, thank you, pal! Looking forward to seeing IAPs arrive.
[21:01] <alecu> aquarius: the actual purchase flow will be the same as when purchasing an app from the store.
[21:01] <alecu> aquarius: thanks a lot for your questions. As always, you are keeping us on our toes!
[21:03] <alecu> aquarius: mind if I add you to the IAP pilot team?
[21:05] <aquarius> alecu, I think I already am added :)
[21:05] <aquarius> I'm trying to decide what to do with it.
[21:12] <alecu> aquarius: we agree that usd 2.99 is too high for many app purchases. So, one thing we are suggesting this is for people that have two versions of the app in the store, a free one and a paid one with the same features, but that's intended for users that want to "contribute" a donation for the devel
[21:13] <alecu> so the devel could release just one app with IAP instead
[21:23] <aquarius> yeah
[21:23] <aquarius> that's what I'm thinking of doing with WifiTransfer
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.551506
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BrianLinuxing",
"CheeseBrg",
"CheeseBurg",
"DanChapman",
"Dragos",
"James_Mulholland",
"Osgood1",
"Wellark",
"ahayzen",
"alecu",
"aquarius",
"balloons",
"davidcalle",
"davmor2",
"dbarth",
"dobey",
"gwaka",
"h4ck3r",
"hayman",
"justCarakas",
"kesha",
"kyrofa",
"lolzilla",
"marcustomlinson",
"mhall119",
"mikke",
"mvvvv",
"mzanetti",
"popey",
"popeyfan2",
"tikatik"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-appdev.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-appdev"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-quality
|
[13:18] <dkessel> hellooo quality!
[13:29] <flocculant> :)
[13:34] <davmor2> hello
[13:36] <flocculant> hi davmor2
[13:46] <balloons> Hi hi hi
[13:47] <flocculant> hi balloons - ready for another day of it I hope :p
[16:12] <elopio> balloons: oops, I missed the session. Watching the video now.
[16:12] <balloons> elopio, no worries
[16:14] <balloons> elopio, if you don't want to watch 30 mins, read the pad
[16:14] <balloons> Everything I said is more or less in there
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.555536
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"balloons",
"davmor2",
"dkessel",
"elopio",
"flocculant"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-quality.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-quality"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-uos-plenary
|
[13:36] <TURKISH_UBUNTU_L> hey guys
[16:36] <_Ridgewing> 25 minutes to go till Jane !
[16:48] <dpm> o/
[16:49] <dpm> everyone ready for the Q&A?
[16:55] <balloons> q and a time!
[16:57] <_Ridgewing> dpm: I am, not sure about the oTher guys.
[16:59] * _Ridgewing slides PopeyFan a beer.
[17:00] <popey> uhoh
[17:00] <dpm> ok, about to start
[17:00] <_Ridgewing> ok
[17:00] <_Ridgewing> Where do we paste questions in ? Here or the etherpad ?
[17:00] <PopeyFan> ok
[17:01] <popey> QUESTION: Are Microsoft buying Canonical :) ?
[17:01] <_Ridgewing> I can see Jane .
[17:01] <banananana> LOL
[17:01] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Can you give us 'some' idea as to what month the Convergence Phone will be ready in the online stores ?
[17:01] <mhall119> popey: you can do tech support calls for them :)
[17:01] <popey> true
[17:01] <dpm> thanks everyone,
[17:02] <cm-t> :D
[17:02] <dpm> picking the first questions now
[17:02] <BrianLinuxing> Question: Jane, what are your thoughts on the UbuntuPhone? Release date, markets, availability etc
[17:02] <_Ridgewing> Question: what are your thoughts on religion and believe system ? e.g. Is Open source a belief system ?
[17:03] <mhall119> QUESTION: what current Ubuntu development are you most excited to see happening over the next year?
[17:03] <_Ridgewing> **belief
[17:03] <popey> QUESTION: What laptop do you personally own, so we know which one to get which will get bugs fixed faster :) ?
[17:03] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: When will Unity8 land for broader testing? When do you think it will be default?
[17:03] <cm-t> >< popey
[17:03] <kyrofa> popey, hahaha
[17:03] <ahayzen> QUESTION: How has the return rate of the devices been? And are the manufacturers generally happy with how the releases have gone?
[17:03] <banananana> QUESTION: are the orange matchboxes (raspbery pi) for sale? and if not why not
[17:03] <dpm> good questions everyone!
[17:03] <dpm> oh, missed popey's one!
[17:03] <popey> outrage!
[17:04] <ahayzen> hah
[17:04] <faenil> popey: lol
[17:04] <BrianLinuxing> Good question about the phone.
[17:04] <_Ridgewing> good answer !
[17:04] <ogra_> dpm, that tells everything !!!
[17:04] <mhall119> QUESTION: I remember in a previous Q&A you said that you personally use WhatsApp and need it on your daily driver phone, is there any progress on partnering with Facebook to get that, or are you working on migrating to Telegram?
[17:04] <cm-t> ↑ that means it is included or not in the "good questions" everyone ?
[17:04] <mariogrip> this is so cool, I feel like a "fangirl" when the ceo at canonical here!
[17:04] <banananana> QUESTION: what happened with the Meizu Ubuntu Phones?
[17:04] <ogra_> (softpedia: canonical not wanting to admit being bought by microsoft in public !!)
[17:05] <mhall119> ogra_: lol
[17:05] <dpm> wow, great questions everyone!
[17:05] <banananana> dpm: thanks
[17:06] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Where did you go to University ?
[17:06] <BrianLinuxing> Question: are Canonical intent on buying Microsoft ? :)
[17:06] <cm-t> "everyone" does this really include popey ?
[17:06] <svij> cm-t: haha
[17:06] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: Are there any partners Ubuntu is in talks with that have a focus on North America?
[17:06] <Benaissa> What's the new about ROS (Robot Operating System) in ubuntu
[17:07] <_Ridgewing> ^ ryanleesipes : excellent question !
[17:07] <ryanleesipes> (In regards to the phone)
[17:07] <mhall119> QUESTION: Red Hat's CEO recently wrote a book about leading an open-source oriented company, have you given any thoughts on writing a book?
[17:07] <BrianLinuxing> Thanks Jane, good answer.
[17:07] <mhall119> Benaissa: start your question with QUESTION or it will not be seen
[17:09] <mh> I just wanted to say "Thank you" to everyone who works on Ubuntu.
[17:09] <mhall119> I suppose I can allow two :)
[17:09] <_Ridgewing> .... so Open source is a Tool, then. Good.
[17:09] <mariogrip> QUESTION: What was the Canonical's response when Microsoft released continuum?
[17:09] <Jarlath> QUESTION: You mentioned expanding app, scope and feature offerings in the future. Can we expect performance to improve or should current users upgrade their hardware if they want better performance?
[17:10] <banananana> QUESTION: in witch country/contintent is Ubuntu the most popular?
[17:10] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Where do you see open source and Ubuntu in the "Internet of Things" market that is growing. Do you think this will affect the appeal of open source more traditional markets like desktop computing?
[17:10] <mhall119> mariogrip: mine was "welcome to the future, what took you so long?"
[17:10] <popey> QUESTION: What release of Ubuntu would you take when stranded on a desert island?
[17:11] <_Ridgewing> QTESTION: What is canonical's position on doing a Tablet kickstarter campaign, as MShuttleworth has said develoment is sorely needed in his Q&A, yesterday.
[17:11] <cm-t> popey >.<
[17:11] <Benaissa> QUESTION: What's the new about ROS (Robot Operating System) in ubuntu ?
[17:11] <mariogrip> mhall119: :P
[17:11] <popey> So many questions!
[17:11] <cm-t> is true :')
[17:11] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Do you see an opportunity in smart cars? Has there been any interest from any partners?
[17:11] <pstolowski> QUESTION: would you say cloud is becoming more important given how much market share ubuntu has in the cloud? or do you see all markets equally important?
[17:11] <mhall119> yeah, better get questions in now or there won't be time to answer it
[17:12] <komputes> QUESTION: Could you elaborate on why you feel Ubuntu Edge is not a good convergence scenario?
[17:12] <_Ridgewing> Much Questions #dodge
[17:12] <mhall119> komputes: ?
[17:12] <svij> QUESTION: If you have a chance to go back in time and change something in Ubuntu, which you can't do now anymore. What would it be?
[17:12] <mariogrip> QUESTION: will we ever see an Ubuntu watch? (snappy watch :)
[17:12] <kyrofa> komputes, wasn't that a hybrid Ubuntu/Android device?
[17:12] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: Have you considered a deep partnership (or acquisition) with companies like System76 in order to bring a line a convergent devices?
[17:12] <ogra_> snappy !!
[17:13] <komputes> mhall119: she said it as 'clunky', which doesn't explain discontinuing it.
[17:13] <_Ridgewing> dpm, We need to speed up question (not just from me) .. as there are so many, and Jane is taking 5 mins per question.
[17:13] <svij> QUESTION: Are you coming to UbuCon Summit and UbuCon Europe? ;)
[17:14] <mhall119> komputes: oh, you mean Ubuntu on Android
[17:14] <komputes> Personally I still think a dockable computer the size of a phone is very interesting alternative to a laptop.
[17:14] <ogra_> komputes, it will come ...
[17:14] <mhall119> komputes: that's still planned, it just won't be a phone running Android
[17:14] <mhall119> it will be a phone running Ubuntu :)
[17:15] <komputes> ogra_: perhaps virtualization on top of a phone OS at some point.
[17:15] <mhall119> komputes: so it was the Android use that was clunky
[17:15] <svij> QUESTION: What do you say about criticism about Canonical IP policy? Don't you think a bit clear policy would be better for everybody?
[17:15] <ogra_> komputes, why would you virtualize ? you can run native ubuntu for both usecases
[17:16] <kyrofa> komputes, agreed, but the reason it wasn't a "good convergence scenario," in my mind, is that it isn't just pure Ubuntu
[17:16] <ogra_> komputes, but once the phone moved to snappy even running VMs will be possible
[17:16] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: What is Canonical doing as a company to promote the desktop to PC manufacturers?
[17:20] <mhall119> QUESTION: This UOS we had a 10 year old wondering what he needs to learn in order to one day work at Canonical, do you have any advice for young students who already have an interest in software and open source?
[17:21] <mariogrip> QUESTION: Will Canonical ever have own brand phones like the nexus (or lumia)?
[17:23] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Do you agree they'll be a good benefit to a massive #convergence party to celebrate the convergence phone in Q1, 2016 ? Esp. London.
[17:25] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: An Artificial Intelligence background, eh? Are you familiar with the Mycroft project. Any interest in getting something like this available in Unity 8 to operate like Siri or Cortana on their respective platforms? (Shameless self-promotion).
[17:26] <tedg> Heh, when the machines take over, will they be running Ubuntu? ;-)
[17:26] <kenvandine> of course they will be
[17:26] <frecel> hardy heron had the best default wallpaper of all Ubuntu releases
[17:26] <_Ridgewing> agreed !
[17:27] <mhall119> tedg: "I am what I am, because of who you all were" :)
[17:27] <ogra_> tedg, you havent heard of snappy skynet yet ?
[17:28] <tedg> Heh, it is still under review in the store ;-)
[17:29] <_Ridgewing> http://askubuntu.com/questions/121379/how-do-i-install-wallpapers-from-older-releases/121380#121380
[17:29] <mhall119> now I'm curious which shirts she doesn't like
[17:30] <ogra_> the sevilla UDS one was definitely the worst
[17:30] <frecel> _Ridgewing: I just have to find someone who will make me a matching brown KDE theme
[17:30] <CheeseBurg> ryanleesipes: I second your question
[17:30] <_Ridgewing> frecel: www.fiverr.com
[17:30] <frecel> haha
[17:30] <mhall119> ogra_: what was that, jaunty or karmic?
[17:31] <ogra_> mhall119, i think jaunty, not sure anymore
[17:31] <_Ridgewing> frecel: The artist'll probably v=be from India or Pakistan, thou ;-)
[17:31] * mhall119 wasn't there, so didn't get that shirt
[17:31] <ogra_> you wouldnt want it :)
[17:32] <mhall119> I don't have dresser space for any more anyway
[17:32] <mhall119> though I do want one of those Wily shirts
[17:32] <kenvandine> me too!
[17:32] <ogra_> +1
[17:32] <_Ridgewing> +1
[17:33] <hwpplayer1> What are your standards when you talk to other communites and Linux companies ?
[17:33] <mhall119> hwpplayer1: start your questions with QUESTION
[17:33] <ogra_> ... else they get lost
[17:33] <mhall119> also, please be more specific in your question
[17:34] <hwpplayer1> QUESTION : What are your standards when you talk to other communites and Linux companies ?
[17:35] <hwpplayer1> i'll try for a better question thanks
[17:36] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: Pricing for services like Landscape seemed very much aimed at large enterprises. Have you considered a stripped down, cheaper version of the service for startups, small to medium-sized businesses, and local and state governments?
[17:38] <frecel> QUESTION: When talking vendors does Canonical put any emphasis on promoting open/libre software or simply promotes the software supported by Canonical?
[17:38] <ogra_> frecel, whats the difference ?
[17:38] <kyrofa> frecel, Canonical software IS open... ?
[17:39] <mhall119> frecel: we were able to get MediaTek to release their kernel sources as part of our partnership with Bq, that was a pretty big ddeal
[17:39] <frecel> ogra_: it is, but I can encourage someone to use Ubuntu without ever mentioning the fact that it's open source
[17:39] <ryanleesipes> QUESTION: Will you answer questions you didn't have time to during this, in a blog post or the like after?
[17:40] <_Ridgewing> she needs to-do an AMA !
[17:40] <frecel> an AMA in r/Ubuntu would be awesome
[17:40] <Dragos> dpm: Hi
[17:40] <mhall119> an AMA is a great idea
[17:41] <Guest16648> What us talking you too long to deliver Unity8/Mir
[17:41] <Dragos> desktop gadgets for ubuntu will be cool
[17:41] <Dragos> another thing will be cool will be ubuntu 16.04 LTS using mir instead of X11
[17:41] <michelr> QUESTION : beside convergence, can we imagine some kind of equiv of Apple's continuity, specifically 'Handoff'' : instant communication between a phone and a computer ?
[17:42] <Dragos> QUESTION:How do i join canonical?
[17:42] <Guest16648> It will be good to know what Dragos said
[17:42] <JasonSinas> QUESTION: I have an important question: How the hell do you pronounce Ubuntu?
[17:42] <Dragos> ? Guest16648
[17:42] <JasonSinas> I think thats what everyone wants to know.
[17:42] <ogra_> Dragos, http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[17:42] <Guest16648> about mir and X11
[17:43] <mhall119> Dragos: 16.04 will be using Unity 7 and Xorg, it's already been decided, but there will be a testable version using Mir and Unity 8
[17:43] <Dragos> what happened to Unity 8
[17:43] <mhall119> Dragos: still under heavy development
[17:43] <Guest16648> can anyone please explain the difficulties in releasing a stable Mir?
[17:43] <komputes> CheeseBurg: QNX is probably best placed regarding self-driving cars.
[17:43] <Dragos> oh..
[17:43] <ogra_> Dragos, 16.04 has to be supported for 5 years ... you dont want that with a super new and not yet fully tested desktop
[17:44] <mhall119> Guest16648: implementing enough features in Unity 8 for it to replace Unity 7
[17:44] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION, Will Jane do a reddit AMA ???
[17:44] <_Ridgewing> dpm: ^ make sure you ask this so we can continue ...
[17:44] <JasonSinas> HAHAHAHA @mhall119
[17:44] <Guest16648> Its almost 2 years but still its junk..
[17:44] <mhall119> Guest16648: it's not a small task
[17:45] <dobey> mir is "stable"; it's shipping on retail phones.
[17:45] <ogra_> Guest16648, it supports so much more things than Xorg and Xorg took many years too
[17:45] <mariogrip> Working at Canonical is my biggest dream...
[17:45] <Guest16648> i know, i personally think that Oragnization is not helping new comers to learn and connect to build things
[17:45] <JasonSinas> @Guest yess
[17:46] <French_31> # QUESTION Hello J
[17:46] <DanChapman> +1 mariogrip
[17:46] <Guest16648> its too complicated to even report a Bug
[17:46] <mhall119> Guest16648: if you think you can help us impove that, I encourage you to get involved
[17:46] <Guest16648> i wanna get invloved and i have tried but i got no where
[17:47] <ogra_> Guest16648, start at the #ubuntu-mir channel
[17:47] <Guest16648> just answering questions of ASKUBUNTU
[17:47] <ogra_> thats where the developers coordinate their work
[17:47] <hwpplayer1> QUESTION : How many Linux community do you support ? Will you support more ?
[17:48] <JasonSinas> Are you even a developer? @Guest
[17:48] <Guest16648> It depends what i have to develop in ur sense of talk
[17:48] <French_31> Don't you think it's urgent to port ubuntu phone apps to desktop ubuntu ? add value to all !!! : valorize devellopers work, enchance desktop possiblity and lightness of the os ^^
[17:48] <kyrofa> JasonSinas, https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu = "oo-boon-too"
[17:48] <_Ridgewing> Tablet +1
[17:49] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: with the Discussion about background processes in mind, do you think that you need more developers for the phone project?
[17:49] <Dragos> QUESTION:Will ubuntu 16.04 LTS will suport touchscreen interface with touchscreen module?
[17:49] <dobey> French_31: no, the solution to that is to work to further convergence
[17:49] <JasonSinas> @kyrofa THANK YOU!!!
[17:49] <JasonSinas> I was hoping for oo-bun-to...
[17:49] <mhall119> French_31: Ubuntu phone apps will already run on the desktop
[17:49] <Guest16648> what exactly is a developer? JasonSinas
[17:50] <mhall119> but the current desktop doesn't offer safe confinement, so they're not made available through the store
[17:50] <dobey> a developer is one who develops
[17:50] <kyrofa> Dragos, Ubuntu has supported touchscreens for... ever
[17:50] <JasonSinas> @Guest developer
[17:50] <JasonSinas> dɪˈvɛləpə(r)/
[17:50] <JasonSinas> noun
[17:50] <JasonSinas> noun: developer; plural noun: developers
[17:50] <JasonSinas> a person or thing that develops something.
[17:50] <JasonSinas> "a property developer"
[17:50] <Dragos> oh ok
[17:50] <Freya_guy> hello, sorry I'm late! I hope we still have sometime. I have a question.
[17:50] <dobey> mhall119: the phone apps also do not integrate well with the traditional environment
[17:50] <tedg> Ha, kyrofa I'm telling bregma that you called him forever old ;-)
[17:51] <kyrofa> tedg, HAHAHA
[17:51] <Guest16648> In Open Source community what developers develop?
[17:51] <_Ridgewing> dpm: PLEAASE ask about Jane doing a Reddit AMA before we end , cheers.
[17:51] <dobey> Guest16648: they develop open source
[17:51] <Freya_guy> aww.. is the question about unity dock has been asked yet? Especially about its movability?
[17:51] <mhall119> French_31: it's been asked a million times in the past, always the same answer
[17:52] <dobey> mhall119: Freya_guy not French_31
[17:52] <Freya_guy> also can 15.10 users download and use Gnome Software center?
[17:52] <JasonSinas> @Guest Depends what you develop in particular...
[17:52] <Freya_guy> so no? :( thanks
[17:52] <mhall119> dobey: thanks, tab-complete failed me
[17:52] <cyphermox> always the mythical man-month story really.
[17:52] <Guest16648> then it should be simple for new people to come and understand whts going on in is this community
[17:52] <JasonSinas> @Guest For example, I work for Xiaomi and I develop HTML5 applications.
[17:53] <dobey> Guest16648: it's plenty simple
[17:53] <JasonSinas> @Guest Umm
[17:53] <Dragos> mhall119: is it posible to run osx apps on ubuntu>
[17:53] <mhall119> Guest16648: again, if you can help us, come help us. Join #ubuntu-community-team or #ubuntu-devel
[17:53] <mhall119> Dragos: no
[17:53] <Dragos> oh
[17:53] <cyphermox> Guest16648: what makes you feel that it's complicated? you should bring your specific concerns to the other channels, as mhall119 mentioned :)
[17:53] <mhall119> JasonSinas: when will we get a Xiaomi Ubuntu Phone?
[17:53] <dobey> Guest16648: however, joining an irc channel and trolling because you for some reason don't like a piece of software, is not developing things :)
[17:53] <Freya_guy> [udsbotu]
[17:53] <Freya_guy> 1 minute left in this session! <-- what is this?
[17:53] <JasonSinas> @mhall Totally agree.
[17:53] <Dragos> mhall119: can i help?
[17:53] <Guest16648> but i dint think so... lets head to Mir site for proofing itd simplicity
[17:53] <mhall119> Dragos: anybody can help :)
[17:53] <Dragos> ok
[17:54] <cyphermox> Freya_guy: just reminder because the schedules can be tight
[17:54] <French_31> mhall119
[17:54] <French_31> Thank's, i did'no know :) Ubuntu miss a REAL "end user commity to drive the dev work ^^ Its a real weak to by pass what end users have to say ^^
[17:54] <Dragos> irc client for ubuntu?
[17:54] <Freya_guy> thanks
[17:54] <_Ridgewing> dpm: PLEAASE ask about Jane doing a Reddit AMA before we end , cheers.
[17:54] <Freya_guy> Dragos: pidgin
[17:54] <mhall119> French_31: in Ubuntu, the people who do the work decide the work
[17:54] <mariogrip> need year i think we need 2 hours for Q&A with the ceo
[17:54] <Dragos> thnx
[17:54] <mariogrip> (next summit)
[17:54] <JasonSinas> @mhall I have not heard of any plans for a Xiaomi Ubuntu phone.
[17:55] <mhall119> Dragos: there are many IRC clients for Ubuntu, XChat, irssi, even empathy and pidgin
[17:55] <JasonSinas> @mhall And it is unlikely at this point.
[17:55] <mhall119> JasonSinas: just saying, Xiaomi and Ubuntu would be a great match :)
[17:55] <kenvandine> +1
[17:55] <mhall119> nice hardware, nice software
[17:55] <DanChapman> +1
[17:55] <Guest16648> haha mhall119
[17:55] <JasonSinas> @mhall Yes, but the problem is much more complicated.
[17:56] <Dragos> mhall119: sudo apt-get install joy happines comunity
[17:56] <mhall119> JasonSinas: oh I know, but a guy can be hopeful right?
[17:56] <dobey> mhall119: follow the porting guide ;)
[17:56] <JasonSinas> @mhall We have worked on MIUI for a long time (nearly five years now).
[17:56] <Guest16648> Dragos now whitespaces in apt-get install please
[17:56] <mhall119> dobey: you over-estimate my technical abilities
[17:56] <Dragos> Guest16648: sudo apt-get install sorry
[17:56] <ogra_> mhall119, but it has the exact steps !
[17:56] <mariogrip> snappy install :)
[17:57] <mhall119> ogra_: still over-estimating me :)
[17:57] <wililupy> juju deploy :)
[17:57] <ogra_> mhall119, nevar !
[17:57] <JasonSinas> @mhall What we are doing however is opening up out platform more, for example Windows 10 for the Mi4
[17:57] <dobey> mhall119: convince ogra_ to do it for you. i hear whisky helps ;)
[17:57] <ogra_> :D
[17:57] <Freya_guy> I have another question although it is too late to answer on the video, why does installing gnome-desktop breaks Ubuntu? I have done this twice and it always breaks light-dm and gdm. I am a vapid distro hopper, I remind you. lol
[17:57] <kyrofa> Ah! Not an LTS?!
[17:57] <popey> Correct answer!
[17:57] <mhall119> maybe JasonSinas can help me port Ubuntu to a Xiaomi phone
[17:57] <kyrofa> What if it's unstable?
[17:57] <Guest16648> we dont compare things like Windows does so dont say anything about windows here
[17:58] <BrianLinuxing> Good set of questions, I enjoyed Jane's candid answers :)
[17:58] <CheeseBurg> Thanks Jane!
[17:58] <JasonSinas> @mhall [email protected] for any questions.
[17:58] <JasonSinas> Not a good place to ask this.
[17:58] <hwpplayer1> thanks
[17:58] <_Ridgewing> it's over.
[17:58] <popey> Nicely done silbs!
[17:58] <dobey> Freya_guy: why don't you install the ubuntu-gnome metapackage?
[17:58] <mhall119> thank you for all the answers silbs
[17:58] <BrianLinuxing> thanks dpm
[17:58] <ogra_> thanks silbs !!!
[17:58] <hwpplayer1> Have a good day
[17:58] <Dragos> buy
[17:58] <Dragos> bye
[17:59] <JasonSinas> However, I would be more than happy if Canonical contacts my people at Xiaomi about this. @mhall
[17:59] <wililupy> Bye, Thanks!
[17:59] <Freya_guy> dobey: I installed the full desktop package for gnome. But after I removed it (gnome-dekstop), it broke the lightdm.
[17:59] <elopio> thank you.
[17:59] <_Ridgewing> Bye Jane !
[17:59] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[17:59] <Guest16648> why its hard for ubuntu to use latest stable Kernel?
[17:59] <Freya_guy> so im on elementaryos right now, its okay to use.
[17:59] <Freya_guy> :)
[17:59] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[17:59] <Dragos> ubuntu for kids :)
[17:59] <_Ridgewing> ok
[17:59] <dobey> Freya_guy: i don't think that's what gnome-desktop is
[17:59] <dobey> anyway
[17:59] <balloons> my favorite asrtwork is also hardy heron :p
[17:59] <mhall119> JasonSinas: if you can PM me a good contact email or phone #, I will be happy to pass it on to someone at Canonical who can do that
[17:59] <dobey> Guest16648: it does use it just fine
[17:59] <dobey> Guest16648: stop trolling :)
[17:59] <dpm> sorry we couldn't go through all of the questions, but I think it was a great one
[17:59] <Freya_guy> anyway, thanks for this AMA guys
[18:00] <Freya_guy> later. cheers
[18:00] <JasonSinas> @mhall Thing is, if Xiaomi contacts us about this, we would be more than happy to co-develop a custom ROM for Ubuntu for the Xiaomi flagship devices.
[18:01] <mhall119> JasonSinas: didn't you say you work for Xiaomi?
[18:01] <ogra_> JasonSinas, dont hold back !
[18:01] <JasonSinas> Yes
[18:01] <JasonSinas> But
[18:01] <ogra_> (i'd buy it)
[18:01] <Dragos> mhall119: ubuntu for kids
[18:01] <Dragos> my project
[18:01] <mhall119> Dragos: look at edubuntu and join the #edubuntu IRC channel
[18:01] <JasonSinas> I am mainly a HTML developer for MiCloud
[18:02] <JasonSinas> There are lots of departments where I work
[18:02] <mhall119> JasonSinas: understood, but if you can give us a contact for the correct department to talk to about this, I'll have somebody from our side do that
[18:02] <Dragos> no not edubuntu an text based os with teaches kids how to install packages, add repositories etd, until they have a fully working kubuntu laptop
[18:02] <JasonSinas> Again, Canonical is more than welcome to contact us, just like Microsoft did with their Windows 10 ROM.
[18:03] <JasonSinas> @mhall Sorry, didn't read that.
[18:03] * popey would love a Xiaomi phone running Ubuntu. They make some nice devices!
[18:03] <JasonSinas> I can't eactly do that. We have a LOT of departments and most of them are Chinese only.
[18:03] <mhall119> JasonSinas: feel free to PM me, probably don't want to post contact details in a public/logged channel
[18:04] <mhall119> JasonSinas: we have people who can contact those departments
[18:04] <Dragos> bye
[18:04] <JasonSinas> Okay, please link?
[18:04] <mhall119> JasonSinas: link to what?
[18:04] <JasonSinas> I am just used to chat.
[18:05] <JasonSinas> IRC
[18:05] <JasonSinas> We use WeChat.
[18:05] <JasonSinas> Link me to a convo and I'll be there in a flash.
[18:05] <JasonSinas> I am legitimately untrested.
[18:05] <JasonSinas> *interested
[18:07] <JasonSinas> @mhall I meant II am not used to chat on IRC. My keyboard is running out of juice so it is doubleclicking
[18:09] <Guest16648> Can anyone explain why there is games for Ubuntu?
[18:11] <mhall119> JasonSinas: you can email me [email protected] to continue this if you'd like
[18:12] <JasonSinas> Okay
[18:13] <JasonSinas> I will reply by tomorrow and then forward you to a few departments.
[18:54] <Andreas_288> Are there plans to bring Ubuntu touch to the Fairphone 2?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.571602
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Andreas_288",
"Benaissa",
"BrianLinuxing",
"CheeseBurg",
"DanChapman",
"Dragos",
"French_31",
"Freya_guy",
"Guest16648",
"Jarlath",
"JasonSinas",
"PopeyFan",
"Sid_Payton",
"TURKISH_UBUNTU_L",
"_Ridgewing",
"ahayzen",
"balloons",
"banananana",
"cm-t",
"cyphermox",
"dobey",
"dpm",
"elopio",
"faenil",
"frecel",
"hwpplayer1",
"kenvandine",
"komputes",
"kyrofa",
"mariogrip",
"mh",
"mhall119",
"michelr",
"ogra_",
"popey",
"pstolowski",
"ryanleesipes",
"svij",
"tedg",
"wililupy"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-uos-plenary"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-cn
|
[00:21] <^k^> Niac: 拜金装土豪.
[00:51] <^k^> 新 服务器基础应用 • 安装Ubuntu 15.10后，Samba拒绝访问 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473680 以前只需要在文件夹上右键启动共享，然后机器会自动安装Samba和libpam-smbpass，然后命令行输入sudo smbpasswd -a 系统用户名之后，就可以从Windows正常访问该文件夹了，但在安装了Ubuntu15.10之
[01:24] <kingbo> hi,好久不见
[01:50] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • 默认的gnome3.10桌面，右上角不能显示rhythmbox状态了吗？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473683 装了ubuntu gnome 14.04.3发现右上角之后声音和关机等等标志，没有发现网络图标和rhythmbox的标志呢？是默认的就没有吗？还是我设置有问题 zz: fenglelyng — 2015-11-04 9:46
[02:01] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46037
[02:01] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | 纽约时报发布免翻墙安卓应用
[02:01] <onlylove> 墙恼了直接干掉github
[02:02] <FranX> github随时都会被干掉
[02:04] <onlylove> github被干掉过一次，那次是因为12306抢票，呵呵
[02:04] <wbchn> 还有bitbucket
[02:05] <onlylove> github完了的话，openwrt咋办
[02:05] <wbchn> https的可以反代么？
[02:05] <onlylove> 不知道，没做过
[02:05] <wbchn> openwrt 没问题啊，官方有git和svn
[02:06] <wbchn> 再不济，想办法做镜像
[02:06] <onlylove> 我怎么记得是从github上clone的
[02:07] <wbchn> github上也有，是官方的镜像吧
[02:07] <onlylove> 好不容易找个能玩的玩具，要是因为扭腰时报这玩意儿封了github……
[02:09] <wbchn> 源码地址 https://dev.openwrt.org/browser
[02:09] <ubrl> ⇪ f: / – OpenWrt
[02:10] <wbchn> trunk (main development tree) Main repository: ChangeLog git clone git://git.openwrt.org/openwrt.git
[02:10] <wbchn> 这地址是openwrt官方的，不是git的，一般extra库在github上面
[02:11] <wbchn> 比较新的俩branch地址：
[02:11] <wbchn> git clone git://git.openwrt.org/15.05/openwrt.git
[02:11] <wbchn> git clone git://git.openwrt.org/14.07/openwrt.git
[02:13] <wbchn> onlylove: 你怎么玩openwrt呢，gpio做控制，基于openwrt做Iot？还是局限在优化路由器？
[02:15] <onlylove_> 我还没玩到那种地步
[02:15] <wbchn> onlylove: 16M的Flash太紧张了，装个python都要三四M以上，带luci和一些包的img已经8M左右了，这样没多少空间折腾了
[02:15] <wbchn> 难道大家都是挂外部存储做启动？
[02:15] <onlylove_> wbchn: 哦，我路由的flash是128的
[02:16] <wbchn> 啥型号的？硬件这么土豪
[02:16] <onlylove_> wbchn: wndr3700v4 wndr 4300v1
[02:16] <onlylove_> wbchn: 很稀奇的型号么？
[02:16] <wbchn> 网件啊，看来都土豪
[02:16] <onlylove_> 300块的路由土豪毛线
[02:17] <wbchn> onlylove_: 我还用tp和huawei的呢，没用网件的
[02:17] <onlylove_> 你要是觉得路由器就应该100块以下当我没说
[02:17] <onlylove_> linksys的1900ac还2000+呢
[02:17] <wbchn> onlylove_: 我的想法是把最普通的路由器折腾到最顶端
[02:17] <onlylove_> wbchn: tb也有好的
[02:18] <onlylove_> wbchn: 那个wdr7500还是啥
[02:18] <onlylove_> tp……
[02:18] <onlylove_> 渣网络开网页都卡死
[02:19] <wbchn> wdr7500 cpu:Atheros QCA9558 750MHz, 8M Flash, 128M RAM, 2*USB
[02:20] <onlylove_> 8M？闹呢？
[02:20] <wbchn> onlylove_: tp的缩水太厉害了，没见过大点的Flash
[02:20] <wbchn> onlylove_: 自己看 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500
[02:20] <ubrl> ⇪ f: TP-Link Archer C5 AC1200 / TP-Link Archer C7 AC1750 / TP-Link TL-WDR7500 [OpenWrt Wiki]
[02:20] <onlylove_> wbchn: 那就粗粮，我记得粗粮mini是16的
[02:21] <onlylove_> wbchn: 或者你把flash吹下来换个大点的上去
[02:21] <wbchn> onlylove_: 16M的也太扣了，要是折腾必须要换个64M的flash上去
[02:21] <onlylove_> wbchn: 其实你不要luci的话，貌似才3M
[02:22] <wbchn> 不过64M的，估计要改配置重编镜像了
[02:22] <onlylove_> wbchn: 当然，只是很基本的一个系统
[02:22] <wbchn> onlylove_: 嗯，不要luci，aira，samba等等，官方的基本包也就3M多一点
[02:23] <wbchn> onlylove_: 要折腾的多了，要么虚拟机，要么树莓派上，8+G Flash， 1G RAM，不考虑带机，玩别的没大问题
[02:24] <onlylove_> wbchn: 树莓硬件太弱
[02:24] <onlylove_> wbchn: 你要是玩卡片机，很多国产片子很好的
[02:25] <onlylove_> wbchn: 那香蕉派什么的
[02:25] <wbchn> onlylove_: 能具体说下弱在哪儿么？觉得做路由器来说，转发性能会差，运算都好吧
[02:26] <onlylove_> wbchn: 和其他的片子比
[02:26] <onlylove_> wbchn: 而且是bcm的
[02:26] <onlylove_> wbchn: 我不黑boardcom,但是那货对开源真心不咋样
[02:27] <onlylove_> 虽然全志这几天也不地道
[02:27] <wbchn> onlylove_: 2B，4核的也还行，BCM做路由器差点，干别的还行吧
[02:28] <onlylove_> wbchn: 自己看allwinner A20和树莓的CPU的比较
[02:28] <wbchn> onlylove_: 好，我去看看
[02:28] <onlylove_> wbchn: bcm做啥都不差，只是需要私有代码，不然实在太挫
[02:28] <onlylove_> wbchn: 有不少路由是bcm的
[02:29] <wbchn> onlylove_: 嗯，之前了解过RTL bcm的差，Atheros的好一些，tplink多用Atheros，只是其他硬件和系统缩水太厉害
[02:32] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46038
[02:32] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | Steam人民币结算上线，大部分游戏五折以上
[02:32] <onlylove> 买啥好呢
[02:37] <onlylove> 整天借用别的项目的机器，那数据库咋就那么不争气呢
[03:06] <vipzrx> 请教一个问题，我现在想在PATH中添加自己的脚本文件，写的文件不对
[03:06] <vipzrx> $ tail .bashrc
[03:06] <vipzrx> # fi
[03:06] <vipzrx> # done
[03:06] <vipzrx> #
[03:06] <vipzrx> # return 0
[03:06] <vipzrx> # }
[03:06] <vipzrx> #
[03:06] <^k^> vipzrx:. .., 别刷屏，超过6行 大段文字 请贴至paste.ubuntu.com +q 23s
[03:06] <ubrl> vipzrx:. .., 别刷屏，超过6行 大段文字 请贴至paste.ubuntu.com +q 23s
[03:07] <vipzrx> $ cat ./bin/PATH
[03:07] <vipzrx> BIN=${HOME}/bin
[03:07] <vipzrx> PATH=${BIN}:${PATH}
[03:07] <wbchn> irc机器人怎么做的？自己写的脚本么？
[03:08] <vipzrx> 我在xp上安装cygwin，想在里面安装apt-cyg
[03:08] <vipzrx> 现在已经下载了apt-cyg文件 ，添加了可执行权限，
[03:09] <vipzrx> 我想将这个文件放到~/bin 目录中，并且在bash中能自动搜索到他
[03:09] <vipzrx> path的设置有什么问题吗
[03:09] <wbchn> echo ${PATH} 看一下， which 一下你的命令看看
[03:10] <wbchn> 没用cygwin，给不了太多建议i
[03:10] <onlylove> 脱袜子又骂人了
[03:10] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46036
[03:10] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | Linus又发怒了，这次是针对丑陋的代码
[03:10] <onlylove> 不过linux的网络高负载实在不如BSD，啥时候改进啊
[03:11] <vipzrx> Ubuntu Pastebin
[03:11] <vipzrx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13098689/
[03:12] <vipzrx> 这是echo 和 which的结果
[03:14] <wbchn> which apt-cyg 没找到？
[03:14] <vipzrx> 没有
[03:14] <wbchn> path有你加上的路径吗
[03:14] <vipzrx> meiyou
[03:15] <vipzrx> 没有
[03:15] <vipzrx> $ echo ${PATH}
[03:15] <vipzrx> :/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/py279:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/py279/Scripts:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Common Files/Acronis/SnapAPI:/cygdrive/d/soft/soft_x200/platform-tools:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/TortoiseGit/bin:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/AllWinnertech/PhoenixSuit
[03:15] <vipzrx> 我要加的是 ~/bin
[03:15] <wbchn> ./bin/PATH 怎么执行的？ 用 source ./bin/PATH 后再看看
[03:16] <vipzrx> /bin/PATH 只是一个文本
[03:16] <wbchn> 那是个bash脚本，用source执行，不要用 ./ 执行看看
[03:17] <vipzrx> 用./ 可以执行
[03:17] <wbchn> 再说一次，不要用./执行，你用source执行看看，如果分不清两者，建议查下资料
[03:18] <vipzrx> which都找不到apt-cgy 不用./怎么执行
[03:19] <vipzrx> which如果能找到，bash会自动补全的
[03:19] <vipzrx> $ ./apt-cyg --version
[03:19] <vipzrx> apt-cyg version 0.59
[03:19] <vipzrx> $ apt-cyg
[03:19] <vipzrx> -bash: apt-cyg: 未找到命令
[03:20] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 求大神：在同一台电脑上安装不同版本的ubantu系统 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473685 真是坑爹了，让我U盘装装ubantu的单系统还好，结果要我装12.04和14.04这俩个不同版本的，虽然我很菜但我还是瞎搞了一下，1T的硬盘，先装的12.04的，选择自己分区，分
[03:20] <wbchn> 你把设置环境变量放在了 cat ./bin/PATH 里面，用source执行./bin/PATH后，再试 which apt-cyg
[03:20] <wbchn> 是我没说清楚呢，还是我解释错了，或是你本不接收我的解释连试都没试？
[03:21] <vipzrx> #自定义的PATH变量
[03:21] <vipzrx> source ${HOME}/bin/PATH
[03:21] <vipzrx> 我试了你的操作
[03:21] <vipzrx> 我在.bashrc中添加了
[03:21] <vipzrx> source ${HOME}/bin/PATH
[03:21] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[03:22] <vipzrx> $ cat ${HOME}/bin/PATH
[03:22] <vipzrx> BIN=~/bin
[03:22] <vipzrx> PATH="$BIN":"$PATH"
[03:22] <wbchn> .bashrc 里加了后，要么source .bashrc执行下，要么重新打开一次，cygwin里 ～ 好用么
[03:22] <onlylove1> 越看越迷糊
[03:23] <wbchn> 说白了一句话，环境变量没加上
[03:23] <vipzrx> 是环境变量没加上
[03:24] <vipzrx> 问题出在哪里呢
[03:24] <vipzrx> .bashrc 里加了后，要么source .bashrc执行下，要么重新打开一次 试了，还是不行
[03:24] <wbchn> 环境变量的配置文件用source执行，再者你把～换成绝对路径看看
[03:24] <onlylove__> 你export了么，老大
[03:25] <onlylove__> 你连export都不export，你还抱怨没有，你们玩够了没
[03:25] <wbchn> cygwin和miniGW不知道什么
[03:25] <onlylove__> cygwin……
[03:25] <wbchn> 对，export。。。
[03:28] <vipzrx> 怎么写
[03:28] <vipzrx> 我试下
[03:29] <vipzrx> 现在出问题的写法，我在debian上那么用是可以的
[03:29] <vipzrx> export这家句加在哪里？
[03:29] <wbchn> onlylove__: ubuntu表示同一个进程中不export也没问题，可能系统有区别吧
[03:29] <vipzrx> s/家//
[03:31] <onlylove_> 不知道你们怎么搞的，反正我修改变量之后都要export，不为别的，多写一句保险
[03:31] <wbchn> 嗯，我也表示赞同，而且路径写绝对路径更好
[03:33] <vipzrx> Cygwin环境变量设置 - tonia的日志 - 网易博客
[03:33] <vipzrx> http://tlyxy228.blog.163.com/blog/static/181090120105910554715/
[03:33] <ubrl> vipzrx: ⇪ Cygwin环境变量设置 - tonia的日志 - 网易博客
[03:34] <vipzrx> cygwin的环境变量是用bat文件设置的
[03:34] <vipzrx> 我是在xp上安装cygwin xp的路径符号和linux的是反的
[03:36] <wbchn> 那咱们把问题简单化下，新打开窗口 export PATH=`pwd`/bin:${PATH};echo $PATH 显示有加上～/bin么？
[03:37] <vipzrx> $ export PATH=`pwd`/bin:${PATH};echo $PATH
[03:37] <vipzrx> :/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/py279:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/py279/Scripts:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Common Files/Acronis/SnapAPI:/cygdrive/d/soft/soft_x200/platform-tools:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/TortoiseGit/bin:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/AllWinnertech/PhoenixSuit
[03:37] <yurakucho> http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw600/005AZjD9jw1exmt8ldxq0j30yi0u10ze.jpg
[03:49] <onlylove1> test
[03:49] <ubrl> onlylove1:点点点. 11:46
[03:49] <onlylove1> yurakucho: 不要频道里面晒日常
[03:50] <wbchn> test
[03:50] <ubrl> wbchn:点点点. 11:47
[03:50] <onlylove> yurakucho: 不要频道里面晒日常！
[03:50] <onlylove> test
[03:50] <ubrl> onlylove:点点点. 11:47
[03:50] <yurakucho> onlylove: ?
[03:51] <onlylove> 卡死了，连续发了两次……
[03:52] <wbchn> 我也去弄个irc robot
[03:54] * yurakucho afk
[04:17] <onlylove1> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46041
[04:18] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | XcodeGhost更新加入iOS9支持
[04:22] <yunfan> onlylove1: 我用搜狗输入法老卡 tmd
[04:29] * ubrl 2.6.32-042stab102.9 #1 SMP Fri Dec 19 20:34:40 MSK 2014 Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [i686-linux]
[04:43] <onlylove> yunfan: 这种小破事，直接把 happyaro1拖出来吊打一顿就好了
[04:45] <onlylove> yunfan: 当然，如果是windows，那没办法，搜狗就那样，不卡你硬盘就卡你网络，或者干脆卡你CPU玩
[04:47] <onlylove> 旧手机电池不行了，新机器还是得买啊
[04:48] <onlylove> 顺路把sim卡换了，不过貌似要回家换
[04:53] <yunfan> onlylove: lin下的 我怀疑他是否是选个词就发回给云端搞统计
[04:54] <onlylove> yunfan: 那就吊打小蓉蓉去
[05:06] <onlylove_> 这几天有电话恐惧症……
[05:16] <onlylove1> 昨天手机关机忘了开机，N个电话没接，也不知道是不是招聘公司的
[05:50] <imtxc> ..
[05:50] <nipsing> hi
[05:50] <ubrl> nipsing:点点点. 13:47
[05:51] <nipsing> 有人吗
[05:51] <ubrl> nipsing:点点点. 13:48
[05:55] <NWMonster> ....
[06:10] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/32838.html 低价的原因 : 一天,阿强出门逛街,发现一家店铺里挂满了各式各样的衣服,门口玻璃上贴着:"开店大酬宾,高档西服30元每套,衬衫5元每件……" 阿强心中莫名高兴:这么好的事情终于被我赶上了！于是急着往里冲,就在进门的一瞬间抬头
[06:10] <^k^> ─> 看到:"干洗店。"
[06:11] <huzoubache> http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail33/32839.html
[06:11] <ubrl> huzoubache: ⇪ 别在屎上踩来踩去-ZOL笑话频道
[06:12] <huzoubache> 不同牌子的内存能同时用么
[06:12] <MangHuo> huzoubache: 可以啊
[06:13] <huzoubache> 兼容性应该怎么考虑
[06:14] <huzoubache> 网上看了很多介绍，头有点晕
[06:14] <huzoubache> @MangHhuo
[06:14] <nyfair> 没人用的东西不用考虑
[06:14] <^k^> 新 办公、图像、机械电子设计等 • ubuntu kylin 15.04 关于创建PDF 文件 作者署名问题 求指教 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473687 你好 系统版本 ubuntu kylin 15.04 想使用PDF 文档 写日志 AbiWord 署名了作者 保存之后 打开 作者又变了 有其他同类型 好一点的 或者 方便一点的 PDF 文件 制
[06:14] <^k^> ─> 作软件吗 求推荐 谢谢！！ zz: tuzuoyouxi — 2015-11-04 13:32
[06:15] <onlylove1> 你真怕兼容性，就买金士顿
[06:15] <huzoubache> 我看说是得考虑赫兹的问题
[06:15] <onlylove1> 坏到家降频运行而已
[06:16] <huzoubache> 0.0
[06:16] <huzoubache> 我现在一个1066一个1333赫兹，这会降频么？？
[06:17] <onlylove_> 必须的，你哪那么多事情
[06:18] <onlylove_> 你能感觉出1066和1333的区别？
[06:18] <huzoubache> 害怕蓝屏，事必须得多问问
[06:18] <onlylove_> 你别装了，你只要不超频，就没蓝屏的事情
[06:18] <onlylove_> 你要是怕的不行，就买两条一样的
[06:19] <huzoubache> 超频什么意思？
[06:19] <onlylove_> overclock
[06:19] <wbchn> 1066和1333降频也只是降到1066吧？
[06:20] <onlylove_> 人才不关心降频，人怕蓝屏
[06:20] <wbchn> 嗯，就是双通道用着也没什么感觉
[06:22] <huzoubache> onlylove你哪来这么大气？
[06:22] <huzoubache> 这就不懂问问，搁这说话带着刺
[06:24] <onlylove> 你先问，不同牌子的内存，然后又变成了关心的是赫兹，到最后变成了蓝屏
[06:26] <onlylove__> 请问你关心的到底是什么呢？
[06:29] <huzoubache> 这些是不是都是内存的事我全问问学习一下有什么问题么
[06:30] <onlylove> 这边不是电脑城，要装机，请出门左转
[06:31] <huzoubache> 没求着你
[06:31] <huzoubache> 装这么大，不会爆炸？
[06:33] <onlylove_> 现在的新手真大爷，伺候不起
[06:36] <huzoubache> 行了，以后见了我你不用伺候
[06:39] <yunfan> onlylove_: 没卵用 他又做不了主
[06:40] <onlylove> yunfan: 他做不了主，那不是问题，你只要天天吊打一遍，他烦了，没准就有用了
[06:41] <nyfair> 老司机们，一起联机玩游戏
[06:41] <wbchn> 你们不上班么
[06:42] <onlylove> 上班啊，不是等复制安装包，闲的无聊么
[06:42] <onlylove> 千兆网卡跑出百兆速度，真捉急
[06:42] <wbchn> 额
[06:43] <wbchn> 普通的5类线10米以内能组千兆网么
[06:45] <onlylove> cat5没问题啊
[06:46] <wbchn> 家里的玩意都是百兆网卡，也每个千兆的玩意组网玩。烦死了
[06:47] <wbchn> 真羡慕你们有的玩，之前有机会插光纤的时候也没弄懂，别人说咋插咋插，GE口啥的也不懂
[06:49] <onlylove> wbchn: GE就是千兆网啊
[06:49] <onlylove> 光纤这个，R对T，T对R
[06:49] <onlylove> 貌似……没啥讲究
[06:49] <wbchn> onlylove: GE是吗？可是插的是光纤啊
[06:51] <wbchn> onlylove: 你们公司做这个，还是你是网工？
[06:51] <onlylove_> wbchn: gigabit ethernet
[06:51] <onlylove_> wbchn: 对应的 FE就是fast ethernet
[06:53] <onlylove_> wbchn: 网工的title比我高多啦哈哈哈，你看着这频道藏着好多有CCIE证书的
[06:53] <wbchn> onlylove_: 哦，还记得ne40e-x16 有16个转发板，每个插4个线卡，每个线卡20个GE口吧
[06:54] <onlylove_> wbchn: 华为的接触的不多，没玩过那东西
[06:55] <wbchn> onlylove_: 那你们玩啥的呢
[06:55] <onlylove_> wbchn: 我之前上班的地方小地方，只认大品牌，思科 Juniper什么的
[06:56] <onlylove_> 便宜的话，就是h3c
[06:56] <wbchn> onlylove_: 必须的思科 juniper还是名声大，华三做企业网的
[06:57] <wbchn> 华为做运营商的
[06:58] <pity> 这里有 维基百科 的管理员么？
[06:58] <onlylove_> 应该……没有吧，不知道论坛里面有没有
[07:00] <pity> onlylove_: #wikipedia-zh 里都没人说话
[07:01] <nyfair> 噫吁嚱，危乎高哉！蜀道之难，难于艹小马！
[07:01] <onlylove_> pity: 人很忙，哪里像我这闲的无聊的
[07:01] <pity> onlylove_: 你那还招人不？我就喜欢这么闲的
[07:01] <wbchn> 也可能人家时区或上线时间跟咱们不一样
[07:01] <nyfair> wiki这不要脸的敛财网站还没倒闭呢？
[07:01] <nyfair> pity: 你过来，我给你推荐个好地方
[07:02] <pity> nyfair: 你被敛财了吗？
[07:02] <wbchn> 觉得百度搜索才不要脸呢
[07:02] * pity 就没几个要脸的互联网企业——放大招打死一船
[07:02] <nyfair> pity: 钱不多，就半狗，但是挂个学位证书就行
[07:03] <pity> nyfair: 高二文化，无纸文凭
[07:03] <onlylove_> pity: 赶紧自考个去
[07:03] <nyfair> wbchn: 话不能这么说，婊子搞定了市场就会洗白的。你看麻花疼现在都在拼命洗
[07:04] <nyfair> 度婊什么时候一家独大了，也会洗白的
[07:04] <wbchn> nyfair: 这。。
[07:04] <yurakucho> nyfair: 牛牛, 包养我!
[07:04] <onlylove_> wbchn: 是不是觉得好有道理，无法反驳
[07:04] <wbchn> onlylove_: (⊙o⊙)…
[07:05] <pity> onlylove_: 功名与我如浮云……
[07:05] <onlylove_> pity: 浮云会给你钱的
[07:05] <onlylove_> pity: 你要是敢说金钱如粪土，求捐点
[07:06] <pity> onlylove_: 我现在都五行缺五行了
[07:07] <wbchn> 五行只剩金了吗
[07:07] <nyfair> 我举个例子，当年360全家桶威力大家都知道，现在360抢占市场了，比起度婊企鹅婊金山婊反而就不怎么流氓了
[07:08] * yurakucho 五行缺金, 另外太土
[07:09] <nyfair> 水能载舟
[07:09] <nyfair> 亦能赛艇
[07:10] <nyfair> 亦可赛艇
[07:10] <nyfair> 尼玛，出洋相了
[07:10] <pity> nyfair: 亦可煮面
[07:10] <wbchn> 这些我都在远离，啥时候谷歌成谷婊了再说
[07:11] <nyfair> pity: 亦可赛艇=Exciting，这梗你得知道
[07:11] <nyfair> wbchn: 你什么时候产生了不是g婊的错觉
[07:11] <wbchn> 讲讲吧，我是太老还是太新，竟然不知
[07:12] <nyfair> wbchn: g婊自己搞关键字审查，还好意思喷度婊也搞
[07:12] <wbchn> nyfair: 只知道有个墙那才是真婊
[07:13] <wbchn> g还没流氓，这是我觉得好的地方
[07:13] <nyfair> wbchn: 墙有什么问题？
[07:13] <pity> nyfair: 学习了
[07:13] <nyfair> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=461113
[07:14] <ubrl> ⇪ f: 取标题超时 execution expired
[07:15] <onlylove_> wbchn: don't be evil -> do the right thing
[07:17] <wbchn> 关键字这事，我觉得吧，不要用本土的，比如搜日本的，可以考虑下google.com.tw或是google.com.sg
[07:17] <wbchn> 本土的最受限制，就像百度在中国一样
[07:18] <wbchn> 特别是本土做的最大的，比如百度搜索 shadowsocks 已经没有结果了，soso之类的还有
[07:18] <yunfan> onlylove_: 我是讲理的人
[07:19] <onlylove> yunfan: 问题是，搜狗不和你讲理，不是么
[07:20] <nyfair> 你丫在逗我？https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=3&rsv_bp=1&ch=&tn=baidu&bar=&wd=shadow+socket&oq=shadow%2Bsocket&rsv_pq=de8838a500029078&rsv_t=7db4WVptxTVcQFb0w1xVIbUoHnkplpXHxmMXBvA6qoAfP2YCRmHc%2Fdh74YI&rsv_enter=1&prefixsug=shadow+socket&rsp=3&inputT=545
[07:20] <ubrl> nyfair: ⇪ 百度一下，你就知道
[07:21] <wbchn> iptables 把搜狗的域名禁掉呢
[07:21] <netsnail> shadowsocks还能用吗？
[07:23] <wbchn> nyfair: 你搜错了，是 shadowsocks，我这儿搜索完显示：百度为您找到相关结果约6个根据相关法律法规和政策，部分搜索结果未予显示。
[07:24] <nyfair> 。。。你当我不知道shadowsocks
[07:24] <tingo1983> 翻墙工具搜索都会提示这个
[07:25] <wbchn> 二逼百度，搜索还说法律法规不显示，那推广链接竟然还敢放。谁有方法投诉他，工信部行吗？
[07:25] <wbchn> nyfair: 看来你在墙外么？人肉翻出去的？
[07:26] <nyfair> wbchn: 我是支那国特权阶级，ok?
[07:27] <nyfair> wbchn: 你要肯为我打工也能享受免翻墙
[07:27] <wbchn> nyfair: NB，我等P民有方法混进去么，边边边也行
[07:27] <wbchn> 不要说啥小黄油哈
[07:27] <nyfair> wbchn: 有努力赚钱，然后在特定的地方买房子
[07:28] <wbchn> nyfair: hk？
[07:28] <nyfair> ...
[07:28] <Soengun> .
[07:28] <Soengun> .
[07:29] <yunfan> onlylove_: 讲理的人就是不把搜狗的事转移到阿龙头上
[07:30] <netsnail> https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=Annette%20Schwarz&rsv_spt=1&rsv_iqid=0xa34ab262000211bf&issp=1&f=8&rsv_bp=1&rsv_idx=2&ie=utf-8&tn=baiduhome_pg&rsv_enter=0&rsv_t=5aedzMF0lw1sudjkEo0GCrWsOgdAYwhOeThHEIr3NciAEMYnbwSPjrFsRHnqx3GcfGAG&oq=Annette%20Schwarz&rsv_pq=8bce4d2200023c90
[07:30] <ubrl> netsnail: ⇪ 百度一下，你就知道
[07:30] <netsnail> 这个好
[07:30] <onlylove> yunfan: 好吧，我不讲理了
[07:31] * tryit 有SDN专业人士吗？
[07:31] <onlylove> test
[07:31] <ubrl> onlylove:点点点. 15:29
[07:32] <wbchn> g 竟然第一次没结果，再刷新一次才有
[07:32] <ubrl> wbchn: 竟然第一次没结果，再刷新一次才有 只看楼主 最新回复 去底部 |刷新| ... 平面模特这个行业，大家一定不陌生，多少有一些 了解，很多人觉得模特这行光鲜亮丽 ... 长得还算漂亮，不过我发现这个老板娘有暴露 癖，偶然|一次|她上厕所没关门，我发现她 ... 我的内心有一万只
[07:32] <ubrl> ─> 草泥马在奔腾！ ... 老板看我年龄小，开始用语言挑逗我，因为当时的我是|第一次|出来打工，根本不懂 很多 ...
[07:33] <wbchn> 谁在问SDN？
[07:39] <tryit> wbchn, :-)
[07:40] <wbchn> tryit: 原来公司有搞，貌似实际没有宣传的那么好
[07:41] <tryit> wbchn, 私聊 :)
[07:42] <wbchn> tryit: 太前沿了，不懂
[07:42] <tryit> wbchn, 准备投身前沿中的前沿……犹豫中
[07:44] <onlylove_> tryit: 高管不做内核网络子系统了？还等着你把linux的网络搞好点呢，和BSD差不少呢
[07:46] <tryit> onlylove_, 反正都是在网络这一块
[07:50] <yunfan> onlylove_: Now i am using mobilephone
[07:52] <onlylove__> 傻乎乎的在机器上执行find /了……
[07:52] <onlylove__> 这下有的卡了
[07:52] <wbchn> 有Ctrl+C救命
[07:52] <yunfan> onlylove__: 嘿嘿
[08:02] <onlylove1> 看他们在折腾服务器，真心有自己装个临时用的想法了
[08:03] <wbchn> 啥服务器？用云多好
[08:03] <onlylove1> 内网测试数据库
[08:03] <onlylove1> 我司的网络用云会死人的，你看我这网
[08:03] <onlylove1> 一个oracle而已
[08:03] <onlylove1> 随便起个实例就好
[08:04] <wbchn> 所有的数据计算都在云，办公室只用个小水管接入就够
[08:05] <onlylove1> 还需要装个西语的windows……
[08:07] <nyfair> onlylove: 话说我觉得gb18030比utf-8好很多，为什么没有推广开
[08:07] <nyfair> 还是支那不够强大啊
[08:08] <nyfair> 要是能建立大东亚共荣圈就好了
[08:08] <onlylove1> nyfair: 委员长剿匪不力，别说了
[08:08] <nyfair> 先把鬼子和棒子打下来
[08:09] <onlylove__> nyfair: utf8除了变长的编码长度，其他还好吧
[08:10] * yurakucho 晚上吃什么
[08:10] <onlylove__> 我要揍死那个装数据库的！克隆机器不改主机名！
[08:12] <nyfair> onlylove__: 你自己搞一门语言要实现string的时候你就知道恶心了
[08:12] <nyfair> onlylove: 而且严重影响performance的
[08:13] <onlylove1> nyfair: 有些时候，function比performance重要点
[08:13] <onlylove1> nyfair: 不过我们可以提unicode-n.0嘛
[08:14] <onlylove1> nyfair: 然后用18030的方法去实现，把现有的都替换掉
[08:15] <nyfair> onlylove1: 没用的，支那早被文化侵略了
[08:15] <onlylove1> nyfair: 被美帝侵略了？
[08:15] <nyfair> 不仅仅是
[08:16] <nyfair> 尤其是码畜阶层
[08:16] <onlylove1> nyfair: 恐怕不在颛臾，而在萧墙吧
[08:16] <pity> 有对维基百科简繁转换了解的同学么？简繁转换总提示 -{zh-hans:快捷方式; zh-hant:捷徑;}- 是缺少了啥东西？
[08:17] <onlylove1> nyfair: 自己人对自己人的摧残，有时候比外来侵略残酷的多
[08:17] <onlylove1> test
[08:17] <ubrl> onlylove1:点点点. 16:14
[08:18] <nyfair> onlylove1: 没可能
[08:20] <onlylove1> nyfair: 你觉得歪果仁，没事会造火星文玩？
[08:20] <onlylove1> nyfair: 没事恶搞古人？（岛国三国除外，三国志在人那）
[08:21] <nyfair> onlylove1: 你看，时隔1年，又有傻逼在github上来找我茬了 https://github.com/greatfire/wiki/issues/1
[08:21] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Can you stop polluting Github? · Issue #1 · greatfire/wiki · GitHub
[08:21] <nyfair> onlylove1: 你说我该回么
[08:27] <MangHuo> test
[08:27] <ubrl> MangHuo:点点点. 16:24
[08:36] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • Ubuntu15.10 64位版卸载nouveau驱动问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473690 在Ubuntu 15.10 64位系统中安装NVIDIA显卡驱动失败需要卸载 nouveau ，但是按照网上的步骤执行mv /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img.bak时总是提示找不到 /boot/initramfs-4.2.0-16-gen
[08:36] <^k^> ─> eric.img ，请问是怎么回事，Ubuntu15.10 64位版该如何操作？ zz: w591964454 — 2015-11-04 16:33
[08:38] <onlylove1> nyfair: 我觉得我够无聊了……您老人家消停下吧，他们爱咋样咋样，到最后尘归尘土归土
[08:40] <onlylove1> nyfair: 我关心的是，怎么赚够足够多的钱，把妹子抱回家
[08:41] <onlylove1> nyfair: 至于什么皿煮什么的，爱哪玩哪玩去
[08:42] <^k^> 新 开源模板库 • 【开源模板库分类目录】（随时更新）开设新分类、修改建议请跟帖 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473691 【开源模板库分类目录】 http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/%E5%BC%80%E6% ... F%E5%BA%93 各种开源软件的常用模板，免费下载。 如果您也有常用的开源模板，欢迎共享，为普
[08:43] <onlylove1> nyfair: 不管谁上台，有没有在野党，台上的总是要粉饰自己，搞的像模像样，鬼知道底下有什么勾当
[08:44] <onlylove1> nyfair: 历史老师一直说，农民起义的各种缺点blabla，那么现在哪个没有那些缺点？
[08:44] <onlylove1> nyfair: 所以不要相信政客
[08:45] <nyfair> onlylove1: 从政就是为了捞取个人利益啊
[08:46] <nyfair> 当个人利益和人民利益一致时，就叫明君，是不是这个意思？
[08:46] <onlylove1> nyfair: 对啊，他们为了捞取个人利益，底下一群人被卖了帮数钱不说，还互相指责对面数钱自杀不对，然后还打起来
[08:47] <onlylove1> nyfair: 修身齐家治国平天下
[08:47] <onlylove1> nyfair: 我虽然不喜欢孔老二
[08:47] <onlylove1> 哦，数钱姿势，不是自杀
[08:47] <onlylove1> 搜狗输入法也开始淘气了
[08:50] <onlylove1> nyfair: 历史总是惊人的相似，所以那些被改的不成样子的史书看多了，就觉得这么多年没长进，真无聊
[08:51] <nipsing> 推荐android 商店 F-droid
[08:52] <nipsing> 全部应用 开源
[08:52] <nipsing> 的
[08:59] <nyfair> nipsing: 开源是个贬义词，你不知道？
[09:00] <nipsing> 为何?
[09:00] <nyfair> nipsing: 商业软件，10个里面9个是垃圾；开源软件，100个里面199个是垃圾
[09:00] <onlylove1> nipsing: 因为被鼓吹的多了
[09:00] <nyfair> nipsing: 你问我为什么知道，因为我就是写开源软件的
[09:01] <onlylove1> nyfair: 我只关心100里面199是怎么出来的
[09:01] <nyfair> nipsing: 我贡献的开源代码比那些光说不练的开源厨要多多了
[09:01] <nipsing> oh
[09:01] <nyfair> onlylove: 参考ffmpeg-libav openoffice-libreoffice
[09:04] <^k^> 新 开源模板库 • 【上传模板须知】有疑难问题，可以跟帖咨询。 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473693 欢迎大家的参与，一起来丰富开源软件的模板库，方便大家，利益群众！ （1）各种软件的文件格式众多，而论坛对上传的文件类型有所限制，因此在上传前，请在文件名的最
[09:05] <nyfair> 有的人成天说mpv有多好，却不知道mpv的色彩空间转换是我写的。然而我看到mpv就想喷
[09:10] <nipsing> 为什么我的hangouts 没有公开群聊功能?
[09:11] <wbchn> nyfair: 我是用开源软件的，感觉利还是大于弊的，比如在用apache/facebook/yahoo的几个开源项目
[09:12] <nipsing> 有人回答我的问题嘛?
[09:13] <nipsing> 没有公开群聊的功能
[09:13] <nipsing> google hangouts
[09:15] <nipsing> 有人为 gnu hurd 项目贡献代码吗?
[09:16] <nipsing> 看我给cia 打电话骂他们
[09:17] <nipsing> 有人用 hangouts吗?
[09:17] <nipsing> :(
[09:18] <nyfair> nipsing: 不怕被监听？你不看看hangouts的用户协议？
[09:18] <nyfair> nipsing: g婊可是不需要负责的
[09:18] <nipsing> 别的用户都有,为啥我的没有?
[09:19] <nipsing> 痛哭中......
[09:21] <nipsing> cia 电话:+1 (703) 482-0623
[09:40] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 新手报道 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473694 现在最新版本的Ubuntu 是？ zz: CasanovaLee — 2015-11-04 17:16
[09:54] <onlylove1> 刚开完一个超级蛋疼的会
[09:54] <onlylove1> nyfair: 牛牛，你说，拿经济形势来吓唬人，算是闹哪样
[09:56] <gebjgd> onlylove1, 走人
[10:07] <htwep> onlylove 牛牛，openwrt的工具链必须编译整个固件才有？
[10:09] <onlylove1> gebjgd: 问题是确实不好
[10:09] <onlylove1> htwep: 不是，sdk和toolchain有单独下载
[10:09] <gebjgd> onlylove1, 经济形势就没好过
[10:10] <onlylove1> gebjgd: 牛牛慧眼如炬
[10:15] <hceasy> onlylove1: 今天也被经济形势忽悠了.
[10:17] <onlylove> 喵咪咪的这日子没法过了，就那么几个破机器，带那么多虚拟机
[10:24] <htwep> onlylove_: 那我需要编译个aria2给openwrt用，下sdk 还是tookchain
[10:25] <htwep> onlylove: 不需要编译整个固件，我就想编译个aria2在x86上给mips上的openwrt用，下sdk还是toolchain
[10:25] <onlylove> htwep: opkg install不行么，那就用toolchain
[10:25] <htwep> onlylove 源里的是阉割版没法用magnet
[10:27] <htwep> onlylove__: http://downloads.openwrt.org/barrier_breaker/14.07/ar71xx/nand/ 这里面的toolchain能用吗
[10:27] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Index of /barrier_breaker/14.07/ar71xx/nand/
[10:27] <onlylove__> htwep: 不知道，我没用过，注意你的版本号
[10:28] <htwep> onlylove__: 我的固件版本就是14.07
[10:28] <onlylove__> 那就下了用就知道了
[10:28] <onlylove__> 我记得可以build package的
[10:28] <htwep> onlylove__: sdk和tookchain的区别是啥
[10:29] <htwep> onlylove__: 还有3个版本 generic mikrotic nand区别是啥
[10:30] <onlylove_> htwep: Software Development Kit
[10:30] <onlylove_> htwep: 现在你知道SDK是啥了？
[10:30] <htwep> onlylove_ 我知道sdk的名字，我是问他两有区别？
[10:31] <htwep> sdk一套开发工具，toolchain一套编译工具
[10:31] <htwep> 有啥区别
[10:31] <htwep> 不都是一堆库一堆编译工具
[10:32] <onlylove_> 都是操作系统，你为毛用Linux不用Windows
[10:32] <onlylove_> 不都是一堆代码
[10:33] <onlylove_> 你为什么不用刀子和叉子吃中餐，都是餐具
[10:40] <onlylove1> 不开心，下班
[10:41] <onlylove_> htwep: 我的理解是，sdk包括toolchain
[10:41] <htwep> onlylove ok
[10:43] <onlylove_> htwep: 刚和你说了，不知道你看见没，我这网络我也不知道
[10:43] <htwep> onlylove_: 看见了
[10:43] <onlylove_> htwep: 我个人理解，sdk包括toolchian
[10:43] <htwep> onlylove_: 嗯，我下载toolchain了已经
[10:43] <onlylove_> 看见了，那没事了，下班
[11:26] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 关于sftp的传输速率 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473696 局域网环境，使用550M的无线路由，服务器用有线方式直接接到无线路由器端口（服务器为千兆网卡），客户机采用54M无线网卡，接口是usb2.0。使用sftp方式（get）从服务器下载1.5G的大文件。发现传
[11:26] <^k^> ─> 输平均速率只有3.1M/秒，请各位大神说说瓶颈在何处？ zz: xwp911 — 2015-11-04 19:25
[11:28] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 普通用户通过visudo提升权限不成功，求助 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473698 我的user用户需要以root身份运行我的一个xxx.sh（里面有需要root权限的cmd)，不输入密码。 visudo里，添加 ALL ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/home/user/xxx.sh 不成功。 如果xxx.sh里面是"sudo cmd"，那么
[11:43] <journeyZC> hi
[11:43] <ubrl> journeyZC:点点点. 19:41
[11:43] <journeyZC> 你们好
[12:00] <gaffey> 偶来灌水的```
[12:44] <rabbitear> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdN5GyTl8K0
[12:44] <ubrl> rabbitear: ⇪ Jason Mraz - I Won't Give Up (Lyric Video) - YouTube
[12:56] <^k^> 新 常用硬件支持 • [求助]epson K105 ， 网络打印机，CUPS 2.1.0 ，官方驱动，Filter failed， http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473699 debian desting ， CUPS 2.1.0 ，官方驱动，epson K105 ， 网络打印机，openprinting 有认可 总是显示 Filter failed ， 无法打印。 zz: aihaozhe2 — 2015-11-04 20:54
[13:26] <CyrusYzGTt> 不小心启用了 bpo 源，， 需要重装 libreoffice
[13:27] <CyrusYzGTt> Warning: failed to launch javaldx - java may not function correctly
[13:27] <CyrusYzGTt> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'
[13:27] <CyrusYzGTt> Fatal exception: Signal 6
[13:29] <CyrusYzGTt> ^k^§ sudo apt-get install cups-pdf
[13:32] <ulot0> hell0
[13:32] <ulot0> hello
[13:32] <ubrl> ulot0:点点点. 21:29
[15:11] <longlong> happyaron: 下载了整个openwrt源码，但又只想要编译一个包时，用make menuconfig选择要编译的包时，需要选择SDK和toolchain吗？
[15:12] <longlong> 编译真是件浪费生命的事情
[15:12] <longlong> 珍惜生命，远离编译
[15:26] * ubrl 2.6.32-042stab102.9 #1 SMP Fri Dec 19 20:34:40 MSK 2014 Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [i686-linux]
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.592280
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"CyrusYzGTt",
"FranX",
"MangHuo",
"NWMonster",
"Soengun",
"^k^",
"gaffey",
"gebjgd",
"hceasy",
"htwep",
"huzoubache",
"imtxc",
"journeyZC",
"kingbo",
"longlong",
"netsnail",
"nipsing",
"nyfair",
"onlylove",
"onlylove1",
"onlylove_",
"onlylove__",
"pity",
"rabbitear",
"tingo1983",
"tryit",
"ubrl",
"ulot0",
"vipzrx",
"wbchn",
"yunfan",
"yurakucho"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-cn.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-cn"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-app-devel
|
[01:01] <balloons> snizzo, which meeting?
[06:43] <Dragonkeeper> hi, im trying to deploy my app to the phone. but, as the app trys to load on the phone it force quits and tells me module QtQuick.Controls isnt installed .
[06:44] <Dragonkeeper> this app loads on the desktop tho ..
[06:50] <Dragonkeeper> anyone ?
[07:34] <Dragonkeeper> nvm fixed it
[10:38] <om26er> didrocks, Hi! Do you know how can I update to pycharm 5, is there a way to do that from umake ?
[10:41] <didrocks> om26er: use the built-in pycharm updater
[10:41] <didrocks> it should warn you about it and let you update
[10:41] <om26er> didrocks, it says already upto date, probably the built-in updater will working after a few days.
[10:42] <Dragonkeeper> anyone know the componant to create drop down selection menus >
[10:42] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, they are doing rollouts
[10:49] <om26er> didrocks, manually updated it for now, love the hidpi support.
[10:49] <om26er> didrocks, was instantly greeted with https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-141725 -- do you know when that will be fixed ?
[10:51] <didrocks> om26er: normally, jayatana is disabled for java app by default, did you export the env yourself?
[10:53] <om26er> didrocks, yes, I did. It warned me about jayatana when I started it, 5.0 disabled it by default, I re-enabled it. I am just curious if we will have a real fix sometime.
[10:53] <didrocks> om26er: I don't think if anyone is working on it that we would have a fix (or having a proper java integration support for appmenu)
[10:53] <didrocks> om26er: question for the fundation team I guess, we have a java maintainer
[10:54] <om26er> didrocks, oh, ok, will ask him. Do you know his name ?
[10:56] <didrocks> om26er: tdaitx
[10:56] <om26er> didrocks, thanks
[10:57] <didrocks> yw!
[12:31] <letatcest> Is there an option using a gesture or something to scroll through the terminal commands in the Ubuntu Touch Terminal?
[12:31] <letatcest> the formerly used ones i mean
[12:32] <ogra_> letatcest, use two fingers ;)
[12:32] <ogra_> oh, you want the command history, thats wipe left/right iirc
[12:33] <ogra_> (or was it up/down ? ... one of these)
[12:35] <letatcest> I sometimes am lucky boiko and ogra_ but mainly it doesnt work well... (trying to mirscreencast from a meizu, but it's pretty annoying to type in the commands...)
[16:44] <vitimiti> Is there a CMake variable to identify if the system is Ubuntu instead of just Linux? I would like to make a portable library that only uses QML for Ubuntu (it uses SDL2 as of now)
[16:57] <DanChapman> mardy: hey! could you point me to the bug for no edit ui in online accounts (if there is one) can't seem to find it
[18:50] <mzanetti> balloons, I'm afraid jenkins can do that dance longer than you can :DD
[18:50] <balloons> mzanetti, lol
[21:22] <dobey> aquarius: around?
[21:23] <aquarius> I am
[21:23] <dobey> aquarius: surely at the pub as well? :)
[21:24] <aquarius> debating heading out, but not yet :)
[21:24] <dobey> aquarius: anyway, alecu sent round the irc log of your questions about IAP and i wanted to clarify some things for you
[21:25] <aquarius> coolio
[21:25] <dobey> aquarius: 1) the API calls in QtPurchasing are perhaps not quite aptly named for how IAP works
[21:25] <aquarius> clarify away :)
[21:26] <dobey> the API was also heavily designed around how iOS/Android work, since it was originally designed for those platforms
[21:26] <aquarius> k
[21:27] <dobey> restorePurchases() makes it sound a lot more complex than it is, for one. it doesn't currently work while offline, but it's not something you should avoid calling
[21:28] <dobey> and while iOS/Android don't give you root on the phone, there are certainly plenty of sites/videos showing how to get free IAP items on those platforms :)
[21:28] <aquarius> ah, OK. It explicitly warns that it might ask for passwords
[21:28] <dobey> on ubuntu it will not do that
[21:28] <aquarius> if that's the case, I obviously don't want to call it on app startup
[21:28] <dobey> ever
[21:29] <aquarius> ah. Good. :)
[21:29] <dobey> on ubuntu we only ask for the password if it's been more than 15 minutes since you last actually logged in by typing the password, and you're actually trying to spend money
[21:29] <aquarius> certainly there are limits to how far one can go to protect an app from someone hacking its data files or source to get free stuff; the only way to actually avoid that is to not trust the app and do it on the server :)
[21:31] <dobey> right, the only way to do it "securely" is to have some sexternal service where you verify things
[21:31] <dobey> with some sort of encryption and API that can't be broken
[21:32] <aquarius> ya
[21:33] <aquarius> I'd just like to not make it necessarily *easy*, and "echo 'update purchases set coins=1000' | sqlite3 ~/.local/share/app.sil/db" is a bit too close to being easy :)
[21:33] <dobey> yeah
[21:34] <aquarius> hence the question about maybe you give me back a little signed token file I save somewhere which I can pass to IAP.decodeThisToken and get back {"coins":1000} -- IAP.decodeThisToken would be a local call, and just do public key verification on the token
[21:34] <dobey> well, you could make proprietary apps and do everything in c++ (or at least in qml that is embedded as resources in a c++ qt binary), and encrypt the db
[21:34] <aquarius> but I'm just making up API here; there are likely better ways
[21:34] <dobey> yeah, i'm not sure what the best way to do that is
[21:35] <aquarius> I was just hoping to avoid having to hit the internet for it, because then if I call restorePurchases() on app startup and you're currently in a phone dead zone then the app switches back into you-haven't-paid-for-it mode, which will annoy people
[21:35] <dobey> we could maybe do it on the client side, but as part of the service, rather than something each app deals with
[21:37] <dobey> aquarius: re: customization, the UI is exactly the same as when purchasing an app. you can set the name of the item, and an icon, in the store side, and that's what is displayed in pay-ui
[21:37] <aquarius> ah, OK; fair enough, then
[21:39] <dobey> the situation where verification of things is required, is indeed a bit difficult to deal with. one of the reasons why we are suggesting to just add "Donate $5" sort of items to start with, where they are immediately consumable, and you don't need to verify for using the app. and it fits well with the current case where people have one version of an app in the store that's for purchase to support development of it, and anoth
[21:40] <dobey> so with this, instead of two apps, you'd just have the one, and a page with the list of donate buttons for different amounts
[21:40] <dobey> the current minimum price requirements also make it more difficult to have some sorts of IAP items that are common in games with micropurchases
[21:41] <mhall119> alecu: I want in on the in-app-payments testing please
[21:41] <aquarius> that's a fair comment, indeed
[21:41] <aquarius> and I can save that the person has donated in my database
[21:42] <aquarius> and yes, someone could then flip that switch so it looks like they've donated when they haven't
[21:42] <dobey> well you don't even need to care if they've donated or not
[21:42] <aquarius> but that person is just a heel if they do that, and get no benefit, and go to hell for guilt later.
[21:42] <dobey> in the app anyway
[21:42] <aquarius> it'd be nice to not show them the button ;-)
[21:42] <dobey> well what if you added a new feature, and i want to buy you another beer?
[21:43] <alecu> mhall119: sure thing!
[21:44] <dobey> aquarius: make it a "Support" button on the main page, but it opens the page with the store so they can support you with beers, instead of you giving them support ;)
[21:51] <aquarius> ha! sneaky. :)
[21:51] <dobey> aquarius: and the problem with having something like ubuntu coins, is that then we have to track how many coins people have, how many they give to other people, and we lose money when the value of the dollar/pound/euro changes
[21:52] <aquarius> yup
[21:52] <aquarius> on the other hand, you don't have to have a minimum price of three dollars.
[21:52] <dobey> which is why MS don't do it any more on xbox either :)
[21:52] <dobey> well we do
[21:52] <dobey> it's just not a minimum price we have to make app developers deal with
[21:54] <dobey> and we don't want to deal with currency conversion, which having a fake currency would make us do
[21:56] <aquarius> s'pose, yeah
[21:56] <aquarius> make it an altcoin ;)
[21:57] <dobey> the minimum price thing isn't new either. we've had it for years (since we had apps for sale in the software-center)
[21:57] <mhall119> dogecoin or nothin
[21:57] <dobey> but we are actively working to reduce it
[21:58] <mhall119> dobey: instead of "ubuntu coin" we could always just track a "balance" in someone's Ubuntu One account and debit from small payments from that
[21:58] <aquarius> ya, I know it's not new, but opening up more ways to pay makes it more annoying ;)
[21:58] <aquarius> mnah, handwave, that means you're a bank
[21:59] <aquarius> money laundering regs go through the roof if you hold balance for people.
[21:59] <dobey> mhall119: but then we are google wallet or paypal
[21:59] <mhall119> only in the way my AT&T pre-paid service is a bank
[21:59] <mhall119> it works the same way
[21:59] <dobey> no, at&t pre-paid service is you buy X minutes per month
[22:00] <mhall119> dobey: yes, but I don't pay for those minutes with my credit card, I pay for those minutes out of my AT&T account balan ce
[22:00] <aquarius> can you get the balance back?
[22:00] <mhall119> I have to top-up my account when it runs out, then I can renew my monthly service
[22:00] <mhall119> aquarius: never tried, maybe? I'm sure it wouldn't be easy
[22:00] <aquarius> sounds like they're a bank. But AT&T have more lawyers than you've got lines of source, so it's easier for them :P
[22:01] <mhall119> I dunno, I used to write Java code
[22:01] <dobey> at&t have their own credit clearing i think
[22:02] <dobey> but that is the same problem, whether it's actual money we hold as a balance, or ubucoins
[22:02] <alecu> I think the key is what aquarius suggested earlier: we sell Ubucoins, and the prices of IAPs are in that virtual currency.
[22:03] <aquarius> that is precisely what I was suggesting, yeah
[22:03] <dobey> what key is in there?
[22:03] <alecu> then we don't have to do conversions, and we are not a bank
[22:03] <aquarius> but I see dobey's arguments against it, around the changing price of money
[22:03] <aquarius> I hadn't thought of that.
[22:03] <dobey> alecu: yes we do have to do conversions
[22:03] <dobey> alecu: otherwise we can't pay developers :)
[22:04] <alecu> we pay a rate out of those coins
[22:04] <dobey> and we would be a bank
[22:04] <alecu> and that rate can vary with time
[22:04] <dobey> you're describing a bank :)
[22:04] <alecu> bah
[22:05] <alecu> anyway, I'll let legal figure it out :-)
[22:05] <dobey> instead of a vault full of cash, it would be a hard drive full of bits
[22:05] <aquarius> alecu, the risk is this: I pay £2 (equivalent to $3) and get 200 Ubuntu Fun Bucks. A month goes past, during which the exchange rate for the pound goes in the toilet, meaning that Canonical's bank account with £2 in it is now worth $3.50. Then we have to pay the developer the equivalent of 200 Fun Bucks because of their purchases, which means paying them $3.50 when we've only got $3.00. So Canonical loses 5
[22:05] <aquarius> 0c.
[22:05] <dobey> but those bits are valued against the currency rate
[22:06] <aquarius> essentially, you avoid holding balances for people, *and* you avoid the minimum charge for most purchasers, *but* you have to become a money speculator. :)
[22:06] <dobey> exactly
[22:07] <aquarius> all of these are unenviable choices.
[22:07] <dobey> it also means we have to follow a whole different set of legal guidelines, becuase we are holding balances, rather than just asking some other credit clearing house to process some transactions for us
[22:08] <mhall119> the proper solution of course is just to get a massive volume of sales so that we can negotiate a lower per-transaction cost
[22:08] <aquarius> well, you aren't really holding balances; you've just got a DB table somewhere with (userid, funbucks) in it. But I appreciate that the money laundering people will not see it that way ;)
[22:08] <aquarius> the proper choice, of course, is "be a big enough deal that banks will drop their minimum charge" and then it's all good
[22:08] <aquarius> ha! jinx, mhall119
[22:08] <mhall119> lol
[22:09] <aquarius> but: egg, bag, bag, egg.
[22:09] <aquarius> maybe that'll happen.
[22:10] <aquarius> I *personally* think that the real solution here is to stop people whining about three lousy dollars when a latte costs more than that, and actually value the software they purchase. But I've not had a lot of luck with that philosophy.
[22:10] <dobey> aquarius: well, that's all a fiat currency is. bank computer just says you have a running balance of $XXXX, but they spread your balance around in loans to other people
[22:10] <aquarius> you're not allowed to say "fiat currency"; it makes you sound like an r/bitcoin nutter. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you :)
[22:11] <mhall119> of course, the other option is lower the minimum below what it actually is, and take the hit on every transaction in the hope that the increased transactions eventually get us below that new minimum
[22:11] <aquarius> won't happen fast enough
[22:11] <mhall119> also, that's not what a fiat currency is
[22:11] <dobey> well the US$ is a fiat currency :)
[22:11] <mhall119> even on the gold standard it's pretty much all just numbers in a computer
[22:11] <aquarius> Ubuntu phones are not currently in the position where there are a zillion customers but they all refuse to pay because the prices are too high. If everyone with a phone paid for every app they use you still wouldn't make serious money, not yet.
[22:12] <mhall119> fiat just means the sum of all those numbers is chosen by a person or persons, rather than some natural limitation
[22:12] <dobey> fiat means you can't take those numbers and exchange them for some physical item
[22:13] <mhall119> I can exchange USD for physical items
[22:14] <dobey> you can make a transaction and give them to someone else to obtain an item they own possession of
[22:15] <mhall119> and that's different from a silver note or gold-backed paper currency how?
[22:15] <mhall119> heck, I can trade you Microsoft stock certificates for beer
[22:15] <dobey> the government owns the silver or gold and you can take your note to the government and they will give you silver or gold
[22:16] <mhall119> true, but I can take my USD into a pawn show and they will give me silver or gold for it too
[22:16] <dobey> yes, but you can also get an ipod or a gun in that pawn shop
[22:16] <mhall119> I can probably get them from the government too, somehow
[22:17] <dobey> the value of the dollar isn't tied to the value of that gold, ipod, or gun
[22:17] <dobey> anyway, speaking of beer
[22:17] <dobey> it is that time approximate
[22:18] <mhall119> which brings us back to my original assertion, currency is a fraction of some whole value. Fiat currency is when that whole value is simply declared by some authority, rather than being based on some measurable substance like gold
[22:19] <mhall119> bitcoin isn't backed by any physical substance, but it's not fiat because the total number of bitcoins in existance isn't determined arbitrarily
[22:19] <mhall119> it's a function of some funky hard math
[22:20] <dobey> but it's not an unlimited amount either
[22:20] <mhall119> it's also not a static currency, the total number of bitcoins that exists is *increasing*
[22:21] <dobey> it is finite. once all the bitcoins have been calculated, there will be no more
[22:21] <aquarius> anyway, I shall leave you to the discussion -- thank you for the detail, dobey! I shall try to find time to be part of the pilot ;)
[22:21] <mhall119> dobey: I don't believe it is finite in theory
[22:21] <mhall119> but I could be wrong
[22:22] <mhall119> I thought it just kept getting exponentially harder to create new ones
[22:22] <aquarius> (on my way out: mhall119, it is finite. There can never be more than 21 million bitcoins. As the total number approaches that, mining gets harder, until when it hits that, mining is impossible. It asymptotically approaches 21m.)
[22:22] <dobey> gold was a finite resource too
[22:22] <mhall119> aquarius: thanks
[22:22] <dobey> mhall119: https://bitcoin.org/en/faq#wont-the-finite-amount-of-bitcoins-be-a-limitation
[22:23] <mhall119> in that case, at some point in time bitcoin will become irreversibly deflationary
[22:23] <mhall119> assuming it ever catches on widely
[22:24] <dobey> right
[22:24] <mhall119> which would pretty much spell the end of a bitcoin economy
[22:25] <mhall119> then everybody will move to dogecoin
[22:25] <dobey> it's probably wiser to invest in ammunition, realistically :)
[22:26] <mhall119> or, currencies backed by a reliable economy
[22:26] <dobey> so one where humans are not involved at all then
[22:28] <dobey> anyway
[22:28] <dobey> time to go :)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.613981
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"DanChapman",
"Dragonkeeper",
"alecu",
"aquarius",
"balloons",
"didrocks",
"dobey",
"letatcest",
"mhall119",
"mzanetti",
"ogra_",
"om26er",
"vitimiti"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-app-devel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-app-devel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-devel
|
[00:15] <doko> pitti, barry, infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=python3
[00:34] <barry> pitti: LP: #1440388
[00:39] <lfaraone> stgraber: re LP #1501588 , I've heard similar reports from people in our Ubuntu deployment (and experiencing the problem myself); is downgrading wily to 2.1 (vivid's version) an acceptable fix, or would it be better to find the problematic patch and revert it?
[01:11] <stgraber> lfaraone: well, so in my case the downgrade doesn't actually solve it
[01:12] <stgraber> lfaraone: one thing I've noticed here and it may well be the source of the problem is that NM is misbehaving wrt IPv6 MTU. It's occasionally getting a frame without a MTU and so interprets it as MTU=0, it then attempts to set the interface MTU to 0, fails and falls back to the minimal MTU of 1280
[01:13] <stgraber> lfaraone: so from that point on, my network interface has a wrong MTU (1280 instead of 1500) which prevents wpa_supplicant from setting up an EAP session and leads to the error I've reported
[01:13] <stgraber> lfaraone: I only came up with that theory a couple of hours ago when noticing the wrong MTU and a lot of MTU related messages from NM in /var/log/syslog
[01:14] <stgraber> and that'd explain why downgrading the kernel, firmware and wpa_supplicant didn't do the trick here, it looks like, at least for me, the main issue is NM
[04:43] <lfaraone> I have yet to try to downgrade. I'll play with it later.
[04:44] <lfaraone> except now I can't repro :(
[09:26] <Mirv> Laney: any chance for the devel-permissions Qt thread answering?
[09:28] <Laney> I pinged the others yesterday
[10:46] <cjwatson> snakefruit (various archive cron jobs, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/, etc.) going down soon for a RAM upgrade
[11:30] <cjwatson> snakefruit back
[11:52] <ogra_> cjwatson, if you are interested .... my kernel package install prob from yesterday is caused by:
[11:52] <ogra_> + rm -r var/lib/dpkg var/log/apt
[11:52] <ogra_> + rm usr/bin/dpkg-query usr/bin/dpkg-split usr/bin/dpkg-divert usr/bin/dpkg-trigger usr/bin/dpkg-statoverride usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper
[11:52] <ogra_> (i use the rootfs chroot after tarball creation, snappy removes dpkg ...)
[11:52] <ogra_> (or parts of it)
[12:25] <antgel> Hi all, I was referred here from #u. I'm trying to run nm-tool (or nmcli) from a user's crontab. It works from the shell, but from cron, it fails with Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.613" (uid=1000 pid=7278 comm="nm-tool ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.Ne
[12:27] <mgedmin> because cron has a separate environment and doesn't see your DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[12:29] <antgel> mgedmin: Any pointers to where I can configure this? It seems bizarre as default, but I don't mind tweaking the config. I'll google the variable you mention in any case
[12:52] <antgel> mgedmin: Okay, I added something to pull that envvar in, and I can see it in cron via echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS. But the call still fails, in the same way. Any clues?
[14:26] <mvo_> cyphermox: looks like fwupdate-signed is in dependency wait since a couple of hours. do you know what is going on?
[14:26] <cyphermox> probably waiting for fwupdate itself, lemme look
[14:29] <cyphermox> oh, crap, missing a character.
[14:29] <cyphermox> mvo_: yeah it's broken because yeah.
[14:31] <mvo_> cyphermox: thanks for checking
[14:41] <cyphermox> mvo_: it will be fixed shortly.
[14:45] <mvo_> ta
[14:58] <dholbach> chrisccoulson, tyhicks, smoser: do you know who's running the libv8/node.js session in the core track in a few?
[14:58] <dholbach> is it doko?
[14:58] <smoser> doko i assumed
[14:58] <dholbach> hum, he's not online
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> I saw doko at breakfast about 20 minutes ago
[15:09] <hallyn> hi - can a no-build rebuild (of vm-builder) be done in wily without the need for an SRU? This would be to enable the build for power8. (bug 1510720)
[15:19] <infinity> dholbach: There's a nodejs session? Who registered it? :P
[15:20] <dholbach> infinity, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22590/nodejs-and-libv8-for-1604/
[15:21] <caribou> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/haproxy/+bug/1481737
[15:24] <cyphermox> barry: caribou: pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1513110
[15:24] <cyphermox> unity, for lack of a better idea where this would need to be reported :/
[15:27] <cyphermox> barry: also; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/1513113
[15:28] <Trevinho> cyphermox: that's a byobu bug
[15:28] <kirkland> Trevinho: I'm happy to fix that in byobu, but I need a real fix in bamf or whatever
[15:28] <barry> cyphermox: LP: #1512498
[15:29] <cyphermox> Trevinho: is it?
[15:29] <kirkland> Trevinho: in vivid, unity/bamf/whatever stopped showing the byobu icon entirely
[15:29] <cyphermox> seems very wrong if some random app can break the matching for another
[15:29] <barry> kirkland, Trevinho: you might want to dupe one of those two bugs to the other
[15:29] <Trevinho> kirkland: yeah, I need to add some support to desktop API to change that, but... It's something that's going to work only with gnome-terminal probably
[15:29] <kirkland> Trevinho: cyphermox: instead showing the gnome-terminal one
[15:29] <kirkland> cyphermox: I agree with that -- that could be a security problem, honestly
[15:29] <Trevinho> kirkland: in a meeting, we can discuss later
[15:29] <cyphermox> kirkland: stretching "security" a bit, but hey ;)
[15:30] <kirkland> cyphermox: imagine a PPA or random package in the archive that ships an icon.png which is a goatse type image, but replaces firefox/chrome's icon
[15:31] <cyphermox> heh
[15:31] <kirkland> Trevinho: so I'm happy to revert the byobu change (which I agree is wrong) as soon as the other one gets fixed; I've left it there to call attention to the problem, which hasn't received much attention thus far :-)
[15:31] <Trevinho> Well good way to get attention :)
[15:32] <cyphermox> kirkland: Trevinho: you guys will dedupe the two bugs?
[15:32] <kirkland> Trevinho: ;-)
[15:34] <jgdx> larsu, hey, when Albert approves [1], will you be landing it too? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/lp1503693/+merge/276190
[15:35] <larsu> jgdx: I won't, but I'll make sure somebody will ;)
[15:35] <jgdx> larsu, thanks :)
[15:35] <barry> Trevinho: have you seen LP: #1513110 ? That's a nasty one we're all seeing here at the sprint
[15:35] <infinity> Trevinho: Nasty and entertaining!
[15:36] <infinity> Trevinho: Not only are the menus busted, but it exposes another shrinking window sizing bug. :P
[15:36] <cyphermox> it's a fun way to resize terminals though, maybe it should be a feature
[15:36] <Trevinho> infinity: don't blame me... :P It's kirkland that used the hard hand ;-)
[15:37] <infinity> Trevinho: Hrm? Are we talking about different bugs here?
[15:37] <hallyn> arges: can a no-build rebuild of vm-builder in wily be done without an SRU?
[15:37] * larsu is not seeing that
[15:37] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: Could you add a comment to bug 1512099?
[15:37] <larsu> this is stock xenial?
[15:37] <kirkland> Trevinho: I don't think I've broken window sizing
[15:38] <Trevinho> infinity: ohhhh. sorry, I'm in on hangoout so so I ddid't read that properly
[15:38] <Trevinho> kirkland: no you didn't, sorry I misunderstood
[15:38] <infinity> kirkland: WAY TO GO DUSTIN.
[15:38] <infinity> kirkland: YOU BREAK EVERYTHING.
[15:38] <kirkland> muuuhahahahaha
[15:41] <cyphermox> hey, I no longer have indicators :)
[15:41] <infinity> \o/
[15:41] <infinity> cyphermox: I blame kirkland.
[15:41] <pitti> hallyn: so just running https://github.com/hallyn/lxcfs/commits/testing should suffice, I don't need a newer cgmanager to go along with this? (on xenial)
[15:41] <cyphermox> I'm waiting for the "self-destruct sequence initiated" message.
[15:43] <chiluk> slangasek: no rush. SRU template fixed. Not sure how I missed the testcase earlier. bug 1509120
[15:43] <hallyn> pitti: correct, it simply doesn't use cgmanager
[15:55] <mterry> barry, is the python3 session in 5 min?
[15:55] <barry> mterry: yes
[16:09] <arges> hallyn: i'm not entirely sure
[16:13] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ do you know? vm-builder is arch:all, not built for power8; someone wants it in wily for power8. Can we do a no-build rebuild without going through sru, and would that enable it for power8 in wily?
[16:21] <xnox> hallyn: no, as it will not publish as far as i can know.
[16:21] <xnox> hallyn: sru should be (a) quick and (b) fast to do / validate.
[16:31] <hallyn> xnox: and sru would then enable it for power8?
[16:32] <xnox> hallyn: that is that needs to be tested.
[16:32] <hallyn> xnox: ok, thanks :)
[16:33] <hallyn> let's try
[16:35] <hallyn> cjwatson: is there a flag that cna be set in the back end to make vm-builder in wily be enabled for power8?
[16:35] * hallyn holds his finger over the dput button, under the assumption answer will be no
[16:37] <cjwatson> hallyn: sorry, no context, in what way is it disabled?
[16:37] <hallyn> it simply doesn't seem to be available for power8 in wily.
[16:37] <cjwatson> hallyn: an arch: all binary exists for all architectures, that's the point
[16:38] <hallyn> right, but power8 didn't exist last time vmbuilder was uploaded
[16:38] <hallyn> should that have become available anyway automatically?
[16:38] <cjwatson> hallyn: power8 is not a different architecture
[16:38] <cjwatson> hallyn: it was just a change in default toolchain for ppc64el/xenial
[16:38] <hallyn> cjwatson: bug 1510720 is the original reporter
[16:39] <cjwatson> hallyn: none of this is making any sense
[16:39] <cjwatson> hallyn: this isn't some magical archive thing, afaics the reporter is complaining that the *code* doesn't support ppc64el?
[16:39] <cjwatson> hallyn: why does it need to be architecture: any?
[16:40] <mvo_> cyphermox: yay, fwupdate-signed is now pending publication
[16:41] <hallyn> cjwatson: it doesn't
[16:41] <hallyn> disregard comment where i said that
[16:41] <cjwatson> hallyn: so I have no idea why you need to rebuild, or what a no-change rebuild would achieve
[16:41] <cjwatson> hallyn: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/ppc64el/python-vm-builder shows that it's there
[16:41] <hallyn> cjwatson: actually, i'm seeing it now on a power8 anyway. wtf
[16:42] <hallyn> cjwatson: i thought a rebuild would magically fill in some db field saying "this exists for that platform"
[16:42] <hallyn> i was wrong
[16:42] <hallyn> cjwatson: sorry for the noise, thanks
[16:43] <cjwatson> hallyn: I think this must be talking about all the architecture conditionals in vm-builder, not about archive-level stuff
[16:44] <cjwatson> e.g. ./VMBuilder/plugins/ubuntu/maverick.py which seems to be the current list of valid flavours by inheritance
[16:44] <hallyn> cjwatson: i had wondered that at first, maybe it is that after all.
[16:44] * hallyn wishes h'ed yanked it from the archive before 14.04
[16:44] <sarnold> when in doubt, ask reporter for a copy-paste of error messages :)
[16:45] <hallyn> sarnold: well i just tol dhim it is there, if he meant the other thing he'll shout i'm sure
[16:45] <hallyn> thanks again
[16:45] <sarnold> :)
[16:49] <cyphermox> mvo_: yep
[16:50] <seb128> doko, I think your babeltrace delta can be dropped and the package can be synced from Debian, you might want to have a look to that
[16:56] <seb128> doko, you can probably sync openexr as well
[16:58] <dkessel> mterry: looks like you had one or too looks into duplicity's codebase - i am confused what the upstream VCS for it is... is it hosted on launchpad bzr?
[16:58] <mterry> dkessel, yes
[17:00] <dkessel> mterry: oh, you even worked on a python3 port. i wondered about that while reading the the session notes from today.
[17:01] <mterry> dkessel, yeah, I've been slowly working on python3 pieces that need to get it ready
[17:01] <mterry> dkessel, next piece I was doing was strings/bytes
[17:01] <mterry> dkessel, but I never finished it
[17:01] <mterry> dkessel, and don't have time this cycle likely
[17:01] <mterry> dkessel, but would gladly help someone else! :)
[17:03] <dkessel> mterry: well it would be great not to have duplicity require a download of python2 with all that stuff, right? :)
[17:03] <dkessel> are the dependencies all there on python3?
[17:04] <mterry> dkessel, for the core, I believe so. For all the backed plugins, I'm less sure
[17:05] <mterry> But it would be nice to avoid the download. Especially since *eventually* we'll need to port to py3 anyway
[17:14] <dkessel> is your port a pure manual port? or did you run 2to3 initially?
[18:15] <hjd> Could someone please trigger a rebuild of node-iconv and node-nan on Xenial? They might work a bit better now that node-gyp should be installable again :)
[18:17] <doko> seb128, done
[18:17] <seb128> doko, thanks
[18:18] <seb128> doko, I didn't follow the replies, but is there any workaround we could try for the binutils aarch64 issue that is blocking webkit? that's basically holding the cheese/evolution-data-server/poppler/libgtop/gnome-desktop transitions in xeny-proposed
[18:18] <mvo_> cyphermox: hm, fwudate-signed is still not published, should I ask someone in #ubuntu-relase to binary-NEW it?
[18:20] <mdeslaur> pitti: how can I retrigger the autopkgtest for libapache2-mod-perl2? It should be fixed by my libbsd-resource-perl upload yesterday
[18:20] <mdeslaur> which will unblock apache2, which will unblock php5, and will make me TIL on half the archive
[18:21] <doko> seb128, no, I'm on it. no work around yet
[18:22] <seb128> doko, ok, thanks
[18:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Re-running_tests
[18:23] <mdeslaur> hrm, guess I can't put off installing the vpn any longer... :P
[18:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[18:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, yw
[18:29] <doko> seb128, would you like to look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openexr/2.2.0-7/+build/8264422 ?
[18:45] <cjwatson> hjd: done
[18:56] <tkamppeter> slangasek, hi
[18:59] <hjd> cjwatson: ty :) They still failed though, but looks like the initial problem is gone
[19:36] <mterry> doko, looks like you subscribed foundations team to fonts-font-awesome, but not modernizr
[19:37] <slangasek> tkamppeter: hullo
[19:39] <pitti> mdeslaur: you can't right now (needs ubuntu_archive@snakefruit), I've done it
[19:39] <pitti> mdeslaur: thanks for fixing!
[19:40] <mdeslaur> pitti: thanks!
[19:40] <doko> mterry, ugh, I thought I did ... now done
[19:40] <mterry> doko, perfect thanks :)
[19:51] <sil2100> mterry: hey! So are those recommendations you made on the unity-api MIR bug required for changing the component to main?
[19:51] <sil2100> Or is it fine enough as is?
[20:01] <sarnold> Do we have plans on supporting ZFS in trusty's HWEs? This deserves a look, perhaps for an SRU https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1454740
[20:09] <machinaut> How do I send a patch for a package like `tzdata`?
[20:10] <infinity> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/tz
[20:11] <machinaut> infinity:
[20:12] <machinaut> It's already in their package, and in the wily version of tzdata, but not the precise (12.04) version of tzdata.
[20:12] <infinity> machinaut: precise has the same version as wily.
[20:12] <infinity> (base)adconrad@nosferatu:~$ rmadison -a source tzdata | egrep 'precise|wily'
[20:12] <infinity> tzdata | 2012b-1 | precise | source
[20:12] <infinity> tzdata | 2015g-0ubuntu0.12.04 | precise-security | source
[20:13] <infinity> tzdata | 2015g-0ubuntu0.12.04 | precise-updates | source
[20:13] <infinity> tzdata | 2015g-1 | wily | source
[20:13] <machinaut> On my wily machine tzdata is version "2015g-1" and on precise its "2015g-0ubuntu0.12.04". What's missing is a leap-seconds file.
[20:13] <infinity> machinaut: Oh. Yes, I didn't backport that change intentionally.
[20:14] <machinaut> Crap. Exactly that backport was what I was looking for. Whats the reason?
[20:14] <infinity> I don't backport packaging changes, only zone info changes.
[20:14] <infinity> If you file a bug justifying why you want/need the leap second file (running an ntp server and want to point at it?), I can perhaps SRU just for that.
[20:15] <machinaut> Is there any way to get leap-seconds otherwise on a precise system?
[20:15] <infinity> The canonical URL for it is... Hold on.
[20:16] <infinity> https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list
[20:17] <machinaut> I was looking for a operating-system provided method (cant hit the web for other reasons). I think I might just parse it out of the 'right/UTC' zoneinfo then.
[20:17] <machinaut> infinity: will precise continue to get leap-second updates to its 'right/' timezone infos?
[20:18] <infinity> machinaut: Yeah.
[20:18] <infinity> machinaut: I can ship the leap second file too in a future update, just file a bug with a justification and I'll make it happen on the next upstream bump.
[20:19] <machinaut> Roger, wilco, thanks!
[20:32] <dobey> the problem with watching the uos sessions after the fact, is that you can't just go round pinging the people while you're listening to it
[21:43] <cyphermox> kirkland: Trevinho: barry: I think we want to revert that revert: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=b735feff4ca0a88b389a89d151bb075bf39e32f8
[21:45] <Trevinho> cyphermox: yeah that would be the easiest fix..
[21:46] <Trevinho> cyphermox: however, being a gnome-terminal-server just a single instance, is this working for all the created windows?
[21:46] <cyphermox> Trevinho: I don't know, I haven't tried
[21:46] <Trevinho> i.e. if you've a gnome-terminal and a byobu instance open, will this cause any issue?
[21:46] <Trevinho> ok
[21:46] <Trevinho> but being on terminal-app... Maybe...
[21:47] <Trevinho> it seems reasonable, though
[21:57] <Laney> You can see from the referenced bug that both desrt and larsu have worked on this issue
[21:57] <Laney> I think you should talk to them and work it through upstream
[21:57] * Laney isn't really here though - bye :)
[21:58] <Trevinho> Laney spotted!
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.619777
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Laney",
"Mirv",
"Trevinho",
"antgel",
"arges",
"barry",
"bdmurray",
"caribou",
"chiluk",
"chrisccoulson",
"cjwatson",
"cyphermox",
"dholbach",
"dkessel",
"dobey",
"doko",
"hallyn",
"hjd",
"infinity",
"jgdx",
"kirkland",
"larsu",
"lfaraone",
"machinaut",
"mdeslaur",
"mgedmin",
"mterry",
"mvo_",
"ogra_",
"pitti",
"sarnold",
"seb128",
"sil2100",
"slangasek",
"smoser",
"stgraber",
"tkamppeter",
"xnox"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-ops
|
[17:54] <bazhang> pikapi has been warned multiple times about the excessive chattiness
[17:54] <k1l> well, quiting and joining all the time doesnt make it better to communicate with him
TJ-, so i will just format the whole drive as NTFS and install ubuntu on it?
[17:55] <bazhang> seems to be a bit trolly as well
[17:56] <k1l> iirc he is talking about a live usb setup.
[17:56] <bazhang> his reason was that ntfs is faster than ext4
[17:56] <Pici> err
[17:58] <bazhang> he also has this greetery type behavior/with certain nicks
[17:58] <Pici> hihihih
[17:59] <Pici> hi this is pici too
[17:59] <bazhang> I will refrain from single word ALL CAPS
[17:59] <bazhang> so as to prevent excess trauma
[18:10] <hggdh> you WILL?
[18:11] <bazhang> ouch!
[18:11] <bazhang> I will take this to the HAGUE!11
[18:11] <bazhang> feelers hurt here!
[18:11] <hggdh> I AM sorry. I think.
[18:12] <hggdh> nah, not really ;-)
[18:12] <bazhang> @random waaaahmbulance emacs HURD
[18:13] <bazhang> phew
[18:13] <hggdh> see, still all caps
[19:58] <Pici> oh deary
i just installed 7.10, i go to install apache, and the repo... is gone?
[20:01] <genii> Yes, I've been trying not to laugh
[20:01] <Pici> I had to do a double take
[20:04] <hggdh> 7.10? Not a typo?
[20:04] <Pici> not a typo
[20:05] <hggdh> sigh.
[20:05] <Pici> seems he wants to recreate an old environment, I've given him a bunch of warnings about it
[20:05] <hggdh> well, he could try to reset the repositories to old-releases.u.c
[20:06] <Pici> yeah, thats what I suggested
[21:05] <k1l> uh, osx is now the same as ubuntu, too.
[21:06] <Pici> sure
[21:06] <k1l> i wonder where all the hate comes from if all seems to be based on ubuntu ;p
[21:07] <genii> I thought it was bases on BSD
[23:08] <k1l> 2015-10-24:03:47:24< RudzZ > raspberian OS exactly
[23:09] <genii> Hm
[23:09] <k1l> sometimes dafty is not only a bad grumpy one.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.625460
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Pici",
"bazhang",
"genii",
"hggdh",
"k1l"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-ops.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ops"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-arm
|
[02:30] <dTal> Hello chaps. I've added Hugh Greenberg's PPA for xf86-input-cmt, but no packages are available on my ARM Chromebook. I can see that the packages don't seem to be built for ARM, but the peculiar thing is I can't even "apt-get source" them.
[02:34] <dTal> Never mind!
[15:57] <ogra_> alai, yo
[15:57] <ali1234> hi
[15:58] <alai> ogra_, hi
[15:58] <ogra_> so the only way to successfully load dtbs on the rpi2 is to load them via config.txt and the binary blob
[15:58] <ogra_> alai, lol, sorry i meant ali1234
[15:58] <ali1234> why would that be a thing?
[15:58] <ogra_> the blob stuff the dtb (and overlays) into 0x100 ... and uboot needs to load it from there
[15:59] <ali1234> okay so you can't load overlays directly with u-boot
[15:59] <ali1234> that is because u-boot doesn't understand them
[15:59] <ogra_> if you do a fatload or tftp load it will not initialize correctly
[15:59] <ogra_> and uboot will set ATAGs ...
[15:59] <ali1234> okay, i will test this :)
[15:59] <ogra_> so your kernel boots but you end up without /proc/device-tree and not all HW features work
[16:00] <ogra_> for snappy i chainload uboot from the blob ... and let the blob handle all dtb bits ...
[16:00] <ali1234> yes, obviously we must always chainload from the blob
[16:00] <ogra_> in uboot i only call "fdt 0x100" to load it
[16:01] <ogra_> there are some extras you want to actually get the board serial and MAC though
[16:01] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@rpi2:~$ fw_printenv |grep ^loadfdt
[16:01] <ogra_> loadfdt=fdt addr 0x100; fdt get value args /chosen bootargs
[16:01] <ogra_> thats what i use in snappy
[16:02] <ali1234> so what i'm using is pxe
[16:02] <ogra_> i then add ${args} to the commandline
[16:02] <ali1234> or rather the u-boot pxe emulation
[16:02] <ogra_> that way the serial and MAC (which only the blob knows) are handed over
[16:02] <ogra_> and you can have the codecs working etc
[16:03] <ali1234> vmlinuz-4.2.0-1014-raspi2 yeah?
[16:03] <ogra_> right
[16:03] <ogra_> and /lib/firmware/4.2.0-1014-raspi2 for the dtb files
[16:03] <ogra_> (and the overlay subdir)
[16:04] <ali1234> i won't need the overlay because u-boot can't load that...
[16:05] <ogra_> right, but you want bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dtb
[16:05] <ogra_> err
[16:05] <ali1234> 2-b
[16:05] <ogra_> bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb
[16:05] <ogra_> right, sorry
[16:05] <ali1234> yeah, same name as the foundation one
[16:05] <ali1234> i already have an identical named file on my server
[16:05] <ogra_> well, you want the one that matches your kernel :)
[16:06] <ali1234> nah, it doesn't really matter too much
[16:06] <ogra_> else you make a mess
[16:06] <ogra_> sure it does
[16:06] <ali1234> i'm using one built for 3.18 on a 4.1 kernel right now
[16:06] <ali1234> it works fine
[16:06] <ogra_> it is directly tied to the enabled devices from the kernel config, else you will only have half the stuff working
[16:06] <ali1234> yes, but those don't change much
[16:06] <ali1234> anyway, enough chat
[16:07] <ogra_> note that this kernel is using the ubuntu config
[16:07] <ogra_> same as -generic
[16:07] <ogra_> so you really dont want to use a foundation 3.18 dtb here :)
[16:09] <ali1234> okay here we go
[16:11] <ali1234> aw typos
[16:16] <ali1234> ogra_: it booted, i have /proc/device-tree
[16:16] <ogra_> and you have system serial and the actual HW MAC in your system ?
[16:17] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@rpi2:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep ^Serial
[16:17] <ogra_> Serial : 000000008b04db1c
[16:17] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102443/
[16:17] <ali1234> no, serial is 0
[16:17] <ogra_> right
[16:17] <ali1234> but that is an entirely different thing
[16:17] <ogra_> so no video codecs for you and your IP will chane on every boot
[16:18] <ogra_> i'm surprised though ... what uboot version is that ?
[16:18] <ali1234> HEAD from two days ago
[16:18] <ogra_> mine is about 8 weeks old and it doesnt work here
[16:18] <ogra_> aha
[16:18] <ogra_> so perhaps it has seen some fixes
[16:18] <ali1234> must have
[16:19] <ali1234> anyway the serial number thing is not something that is stored on the SD card
[16:19] <ogra_> in any case i need the serial since people that want to build snappy kodi appliances will want to use the codecs :)
[16:19] <ali1234> the point of this whole thing was to prove you could boot a pi with nothing except u-boot and config.txt
[16:19] <ali1234> and the firmware bins
[16:19] <ogra_> the serial gets added to the devicetree by the blob when it loads it
[16:19] <ali1234> oh. well that's just stupid...
[16:19] <ogra_> as gets the MAC
[16:20] <ogra_> the blob is the only thing that talks to the HW on that level
[16:20] <ali1234> well i'll pass this on to the LTSP flks as they will no doubt want to use codecs too
[16:21] <ogra_> i discussed that with alkis quite a bit in the last weeks :)
[16:21] <ogra_> so he is aware i guess :)
[16:22] <ogra_> ali1234, so you are sure it isnt using the dtb that the blob has put into 0x100 ?
[16:22] <ali1234> since two days ago?
[16:22] <ogra_> i see you are loading to the same address
[16:23] <ogra_> no, over the past weeks
[16:23] <ali1234> yes because my config.txt is completely empty except for the line kernel=u-boot.txt
[16:23] <ogra_> we didnt talk the last two days
[16:23] <ogra_> your confi.txt has no influence on the dtb
[16:23] <ogra_> only on the overlays
[16:23] <ali1234> ogra_: well it was two days ago he asked on raspberry pi and i got it working
[16:23] <ogra_> the dtb name and path are hardcoded in the blob
[16:23] <ali1234> hmm good point
[16:24] <ogra_> do you have the dtb on Sd next to the blob ?
[16:24] <ali1234> yep
[16:24] <ogra_> tyr renaming it or removing it and see if it still boots
[16:24] <ali1234> although surely if it was doing that, it would have a serial number?
[16:24] <ali1234> also if i overwrote it, how can it use it?
[16:24] <ali1234> trying now anyway
[16:24] <ogra_> (though that wont still tell if uboot actually overwrites 0x100 ...)
[16:25] <ogra_> you will only have the serial if you handed it to the kernel cmdline
[16:25] <ogra_> bcm2709.boardrev=0xa01041 bcm2709.serial=0x8b04db1c smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:04:DB:1C
[16:25] <ogra_> you need these three on the cmdline
[16:26] <ogra_> fdt get value args /chosen bootargs
[16:26] <ogra_> in uboot after you loaded the dtb
[16:26] <ogra_> then make sure to have ${args} on your cmdline and uboot shoudl expand it
[16:26] <ali1234> oh, so that could just be hard coded in the pxe config?
[16:27] <ogra_> well, but it will only be populated in the dtb the blob did put to 0x100
[16:27] <ogra_> i'm not sure what happens if you overwrite that area with your tftp retrieved dtb
[16:27] <ali1234> why does it need to be on the command line and the dtb?
[16:27] <ogra_> the kernel needs it on the cmdline
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah it booted with the dt renamed
[16:27] <ali1234> the sd card one that is
[16:27] <ogra_> cool !
[16:28] <ogra_> i guess i'll take a look then ...
[16:28] * ogra_ needs to update the snappy device tarball anyway for the rpi
[16:28] <ali1234> let me add those numbers on my command line
[16:28] <ogra_> so what i wonder now is if you can use a fake dtb for the blob ... just to get the args populated ...
[16:28] <ogra_> ... then overwrite it from uboot with a dtb you load
[16:28] <ogra_> and if that still boots
[16:29] <ogra_> that way you get the cake and the tea :)
[16:29] <ali1234> i don't understand
[16:30] <ali1234> you mean like pass a fake dt in and then extract out the bits the blob added?
[16:30] <ali1234> why even use a fake one?
[16:30] <ali1234> just use the real one...
[16:30] <ogra_> because the blob will try to add to it
[16:30] <ali1234> it's going to get overwritten anyway
[16:30] <ogra_> right
[16:30] <ogra_> but first you want to extract the args from it
[16:30] <ali1234> yes we want the blob to add to it
[16:31] <ogra_> to get the HW data the bkob did read
[16:31] <ali1234> so use a fake one because it will be easier?
[16:31] <ali1234> because there's less space to search
[16:31] <ogra_> i doubt the blob will add the stuff if there isnt *some* dtb
[16:31] <ali1234> okay my pi now has that serial number you pasted here
[16:31] <ogra_> well, thats mine :P
[16:32] <ogra_> it comes from the chip
[16:32] <ogra_> and you need it to obtain the codecs from broadcom .... they get tied to the device via the serial
[16:32] <ali1234> yeah
[16:33] <ali1234> so wouldn't the codecs work even if /proc/cpu shows the wrong serial?
[16:33] <ogra_> to get your serial you need to get it from the blob ... and thats only possible via the in memory dtb ... which is most likely gine once you overwrite it by loading yours
[16:33] <ali1234> sure sure
[16:34] <ali1234> but i mean if the codecs relied on /proc/cpu to validate... then there would be lots of piracy
[16:34] <ogra_> broadcom will give you a codec that only works on a specific serial ... and i would expect they keep track if they have given it out already
[16:34] <ogra_> i also guess there is more to it than the cpuinfo serial that gets checked against
[16:35] <ogra_> i.e. if the codec takes action i would expect it to verify the number against the actual SoC
[16:35] <ali1234> so at this point we need u-boot to be able to manipulate overlays etc
[16:35] <ali1234> then we can do this properly
[16:36] <ogra_> right, i havent seen a way to do this
[16:36] <ogra_> in snappy i fully rely on the blob for all dtb actiions by now
[16:36] <ali1234> yeah, can't do that when booting from the network
[16:36] <ogra_> has at least the advantage that all upstream docs still match :)
[16:37] <ogra_> you can ... but its ugly
[16:37] <ogra_> you can obtain the dtb via tftp ... fatwrtite it, set a flag and reboot
[16:37] <ali1234> hah, like the old N900 multiboot method
[16:37] <ali1234> reflash the kernel every time you switch OS
[16:37] <ogra_> as i said ... ugly
[16:38] <ali1234> no thanks :)
[16:38] <ogra_> (gets even more ugly if you want to clone the overlays subdir every time)
[16:40] <ali1234> hmm
[16:40] <ali1234> actually
[16:40] <ali1234> you now mkknlimg?
[16:40] <ogra_> for unboot.bin, yeah
[16:41] <ali1234> well i didn't run the rpi mkknlimg on my u-boot.bin
[16:41] <ali1234> which means the blob won't think it supports device tree
[16:41] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@rpi2:~$ grep uboot /boot/uboot/config.txt
[16:41] <ogra_> kernel=uboot.bin
[16:41] <ali1234> which means it won't set any device tree
[16:41] <ogra_> ah
[16:42] <ali1234> if you put a vmlinuz directly into /boot without running mkknlimg on it, not /proc/device-tree
[16:42] <ogra_> right, cant do that on snappy
[16:42] <ali1234> can't do what?
[16:42] <ogra_> so nothing i ever bothered to experiment with
[16:43] <ogra_> our kernel lives in a subdir thats selected via uboot scriptery
[16:43] <ali1234> okay that doesn't matter
[16:43] <ali1234> the thing is that mkknlimg appends a tag to the elf binary you run it on
[16:43] <ali1234> the blob look sat that tag to determine if device tree is supported
[16:43] <ogra_> right, which is needed by the blob
[16:43] <ali1234> so my u-boot does not have that tag
[16:44] <ogra_> but only for the first thng you load via the kernel= option in confi.txt
[16:44] <ali1234> yes which is u-boot.bin
[16:44] <ogra_> right
[16:44] <ali1234> which means that the blob will not put device tree at 0x100
[16:44] <ali1234> because it does not think u-boot supports device tree
[16:44] <ogra_> oh, for you you mean
[16:44] <ali1234> yes for me
[16:44] <ogra_> yeah
[16:44] <ali1234> who else? ;)
[16:45] <ali1234> anyway so the question then is how did they pass the serial numbers before dt support was added?
[16:45] <ali1234> using those kernel params you showed?
[16:45] <ogra_> ATAGs :P
[16:45] <ali1234> if so we can rip the serial etc from ATAGS
[16:45] <ogra_> try it
[16:45] <ali1234> because those are like a million times easier to parse in u-boot
[16:46] <ogra_> but i fear if they dropped ATAG support from their kernel their last iteration of the blob might have dropped it too
[16:46] <ogra_> you ahve to check
[16:46] <ali1234> that would certainly explain why the kernel failed to boot when i loaded no DT
[16:46] <ali1234> if there were no ATAGs either...
[16:47] <ogra_> well, for me it also fails if i load an old dtb because oi forgot to replace it
[16:47] <ali1234> but no it must still support them because i booted a kernel without DT support when going direct from the blob
[16:47] <ali1234> hmm
[16:47] <ogra_> well, try to read them then
[16:47] <ali1234> i will
[16:48] <ali1234> also did you run mkknlimg on your u-boot?
[16:48] <ali1234> if you use the blob for dt management then i think you must have...
[16:48] * ogra_ wonders what we talked about the last ten minutes :P
[16:48] <ogra_> yes, i use mkknlimg on my uboot.bin and define it as kernel= in config.txt
[16:49] <ogra_> so that the user can define overlays and dt options in config.txt ... uboot just passes the dt trhough
[16:50] <ogra_> (all i need uboot for is the kernel and initrd selection and the auto-fallback functioality of snappy)
[16:51] <ali1234> would be nice to have a boot menu for different kernel testing... i should set that up properly at some point
[16:51] <ogra_> yeah, thats trivial with uboot
[16:51] <ogra_> especially since the rpi one has framebuffer support by default
[16:52] <ali1234> i only have serial and ssh on my pi
[16:52] <ali1234> a failsafe initrd would be handy too
[16:52] <ogra_> reimplementin snappy ? :)
[16:52] <ali1234> well snappy doesn't work on the model a :P
[16:52] <ogra_> (we call it recovery there though)
[16:52] <ali1234> and about that
[16:53] <ali1234> i did an rdepends on all those snappy packages
[16:53] <ogra_> yeah, old HW is old HW
[16:53] <ali1234> it was absolutely huge so i gave up
[16:53] <ogra_> an rdepends ?
[16:53] <ogra_> on what now ?
[16:53] <ali1234> remember we talked about porting snappy to raspbian?
[16:54] <ogra_> vaguely
[16:54] <ali1234> well it looks really hard
[16:54] <ali1234> even with jessie
[16:54] <ogra_> yeah, its a bit bloated currently
[16:54] <ogra_> we'll do some cleanup work soon
[16:55] <ogra_> snappy source is now on github btw
[16:55] <ogra_> (for the snappy binary)
[16:57] <ali1234> i calculated all the packages in the snappy core image that aren't in jessie, and then did an rdepends on them and calculated the list of those packages not in jessie
[16:57] <ali1234> the first list was about 20 packages, the second was about 80 packages
[16:57] <ogra_> did you talk to alan bell ?
[16:57] <ali1234> not recently
[16:57] <ali1234> i know he was trying to set up a compile farm some time ago
[16:57] <ogra_> he actually wanted to rebuild the archive on his cluster
[16:58] <ali1234> i funded part of his kickstarter :)
[16:58] <ogra_> doing the same raspbian did to debian but based on the ubuntu archive
[16:58] <ogra_> not sure where that went
[16:58] <ali1234> afaik nowhere
[16:58] <ogra_> (simply rebuilding everything as armv6)
[16:58] <ali1234> okay so i just dumped 0x100 and it looks like ATAGs to me
[16:59] <ogra_> and ? any valuable data in there ?
[16:59] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102809/
[16:59] <ogra_> or just random basics
[16:59] <ali1234> the serial for one thing
[16:59] <ogra_> yeah
[16:59] <ogra_> !
[16:59] <ogra_> nice one
[17:01] <ali1234> so the way we did this on N900 was just to not touch the atags set by previous bootloader
[17:02] <ali1234> but u-boot upstream did not like that very much
[17:02] <ali1234> but the point being we never actually parsed them
[17:02] <ali1234> and we can't reuse atags when booting device tree
[17:05] <ali1234> erm...
[17:05] <ali1234> u-boot has a command "fdt get"
[17:05] <ali1234> we can just use that to read from the blob's fdt before overwriting it?
[17:05] <ali1234> is also has "set"
[17:06] <ogra_> i think that didnt work last time i tried
[17:06] <ogra_> (didnt boot anymore)
[17:13] <ali1234> how does a bootloader pass the command line to the kernel when booting with device tree?
[17:13] <ali1234> in general i mean...
[17:15] <ali1234> also, multiple device tree blobs are allowed?
[17:16] <ali1234> so then pass an empty one to the initial bootloader and then load ours into a different place?
[17:16] <ali1234> that might just work...
[17:17] <ali1234> or maybe even none at all
[17:17] <ali1234> hmm
[17:17] <ali1234> i need to run mkknlimg on my u-boot
[17:18] <ogra_> heh
[18:08] <ali1234> ogra_: mkknlimg refused to operate on my u-boot.bin, any hints?
[18:08] <ogra_> hmm, not really
[18:08] <ali1234> * Is this a valid kernel? In pass-through mode.
[18:09] <ogra_> there is a way to make it ignore that but i dont hav emy notes around
[18:09] <ali1234> okay i'll check the source
[18:10] <ali1234> ah you force the flags --dtok and --283x
[18:10] <ali1234> dunno what the atter does
[18:11] <ali1234> ah, for open source kernels
[18:39] <ali1234> ogra_: got u-boot tagged now. with no dt file at all, the broadcom blob always puts atags in 0x100 regardless
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.630370
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"alai",
"ali1234",
"dTal",
"ogra_"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-arm.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-arm"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-oh
|
[02:24] <Unit193> Too bad it doesn't show local issues.
[02:32] <yano> http://www.10tv.com/content/sections/local/elections/index.html
[02:32] <jenni> [ Election Results - November 3, 2015 | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1kqttRV
[02:32] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/sections/news/government-politics/elections/index.html
[02:32] <jenni> [ Election results 2015 | The Columbus Dispatch ] - https://j.mp/1KWI5Os
[02:43] <Unit193> Ah. Local one has some stuff, but not displayed or updated well.
[23:56] <Unit193> jrgifford, belkinsa: Re-verification is in 2 weeks.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.633513
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Unit193",
"jenni",
"yano"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-oh.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-oh"
}
|
2015-11-04-#launchpad
|
[10:50] <Laney> Is bos01 having a sad or something?
[12:08] <cjwatson> Laney: apparently nova-compute had segfaulted on several ppc64el compute nodes - IS has recovered it
[12:11] <Laney> cjwatson: Indeed, seems that the instances are picking up builds again, thanks
[13:39] <__marco> Good afternoon (UTC+1). I recreated a qemu package but the ppa page says always that a new version is available
[13:40] <__marco> 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19 vs 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.20
[13:40] <__marco> the *ubuntu1.19 is the latest relased
[14:00] <cjwatson> __marco: Yes, it's currently not pocket-aware so it doesn't distinguish 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19 in -updates from 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.20 in -proposed
[14:00] <cjwatson> I think it's still worth knowing that there's a newer version on its way though
[14:01] <cjwatson> Depends what you're doing
[14:04] <dobey> you should also use nextver~myppa1 instead of just nextver, for ppa builds, generally
[14:08] <__marco> dobey: https://launchpad.net/~marco-giusti/+archive/ubuntu/qemu I think I already do
[14:08] <__marco> 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19vde1
[14:11] <dobey> __marco: no, that's current version plus appended string. should use 1.20~vde1 there instead (but that is still older than 1.20)
[14:11] <__marco> cjwatson: Yes, I am definitely interested in new versions. Is there a notify mechanism?
[14:12] <cjwatson> __marco: Not directly in Launchpad; the best you can do that I can think of is subscribe to [email protected] and filter.
[14:12] <__marco> dobey: I am following https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning but I did not yet explored the Ubuntu packaging guide
[14:12] <cjwatson> dobey: That depends on semantics. Neither is objectively better in all cases.
[14:13] <__marco> cjwatson: no problems. I did not aware of it
[14:13] <cjwatson> backport of 1.20 => 1.20~<something>, 1.19 plus extra patches => 1.19<something> or 1.19+<something>
[14:13] <__marco> anyway, thanks both
[14:13] <dobey> well, 1.19vde1 conflicts with the possibility of an update in ubuntu being 1.19.1 for example
[14:14] <__marco> it is ubuntu1.19
[14:14] <__marco> I don't think will be a ubuntu1.19.1 even
[14:14] <__marco> ever*
[14:16] <dobey> in this specific case perhaps not, but i'm talking about the general case
[14:26] <cjwatson> dobey: no, it doesn't
[14:26] <cjwatson> $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.19vde1 lt 1.19.1; echo $?
[14:26] <cjwatson> 0
[14:27] <cjwatson> if that were a problem then Ubuntu's "append ubuntu1 etc." versioning scheme would be broken relative to Debian in a way that it is not
[14:27] <dobey> oh
[19:28] <ricotz> hello, is it intended that one can enable support for ppc64el?
[19:28] <ricotz> ... for personal PPAs
[20:41] <Laney> ricotz: http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/ppas-for-ppc64el <- yes
[20:51] <ricotz> Laney, ah, ok
[22:18] <ki7mt> Hello, does Launchpad support PPC packages?
[22:18] <ki7mt> for PPA's
[22:18] <wgrant> ki7mt: ppc64el, but not 32-bit powerpc yet.
[22:18] <wgrant> Hopefully soon.
[22:20] <cjwatson> ki7mt: I went into some detail on http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/ppas-for-ppc64el about what the blockers are
[22:22] <ki7mt> Hi guys, ok, thanks. I had someone ask me about ppc64 package support, and to be honest, ppc is a bit out of my Wheelhouse.
[22:25] <wgrant> ki7mt: ppc64el is easy, just hit "Change details" on your PPA. Ubuntu doesn't support plain ppc64, and LP doesn't support 32-bit powerpc PPAs yet.
[22:26] <ki7mt> wgrant, Would ppc64el work with: [ uname -r = 4.2.0-16-powerpc64-smp ] boxe, it's G5 iMac running Ubuntu-Mate I believe.
[22:26] <wgrant> ki7mt: That's 32-bit powerpc (just with a 64-bit kernel), which we don't have PPA support for yet.
[22:27] <ki7mt> wgrant, Ok, thanks for the help.
[22:30] <ki7mt> wgrant, If I enable the ppc64el under "Change Details", do I need to bump the PPA version to generate the package?
[22:32] <wgrant> ki7mt: Builds won't automatically be created. You can either upload a new version or copy the package over itself to create the new builds.
[22:33] <ki7mt> wgrant, ok, thanks.
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.641269
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Laney",
"__marco",
"cjwatson",
"dobey",
"ki7mt",
"ricotz",
"wgrant"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23launchpad.txt",
"channel": "#launchpad"
}
|
2015-11-04-#kubuntu
|
[00:25] <rodolfojcj> jrg: for anonymity I read some time ago about Tails (a Debian based distribution). I have no experience with that, however
[00:31] <jrg> i'm sure i'd have to take some extra steps to get the wifi working
[00:31] <jrg> sure wish everybody would just use an intel based wifi module in laptops that works in linux heh
[00:33] <jrg> rotzbub: only an i386 iso?
[01:01] <tzvika1> trying to upgrade to 15.04 from 14.04
[01:01] <tzvika1> getting could not calculate the upgrade error message
[01:01] <tzvika1> any idea?
[06:12] <TriedToLiterally> Hello?
[06:22] <TriedToLiterally> *tumbleweed*
[06:25] <eliba> PRIVMSG eliSky hi
[06:26] <eliba> JOIN #ubuntu
[08:00] <gabrimonfa> hi all, I'm on kubuntu 15.10. I cannot find which package contains debug symbols for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Qml.so.5
[08:16] <svend-ev> Good morning
[08:23] <freiform> Hi, KMail is loosing my cutom shortcuts after a couple of seconds. I define ALT-A to archive Mail, this works for three, four mails, and then the shortcut is reset. A colleague has the same problem..
[09:52] <ShishKabab> Somehow, when logging into KDE after using Gnome (the previous Kubuntu release was totally broken for me), somehow Abiword starts despite never having used it. It's not listed under Autostart however. How can I prevent this?
[09:56] <Margus> does anybody experience repainting problems in Kubuntu 14.04?
[09:56] <Margus> for me only kde/qt widgets are corrupted, gtk world is unaffected
[10:21] <Margus> it seems PyCharm corrupts all Qt graphics
[10:22] <Margus> it doesn't do it immediately, but after using it for a while, all Qt apps repainting, graphics is misaligend
[10:22] <Margus> then, closing PyCharm, everyhthing will look okei again
[10:22] <Margus> how do I debug that_
[10:22] <Margus> how do I debug that?
[10:52] <chrisfromgreece> help !
[10:52] <lolmaus> I've installed fresh 15.10 and I'm missing Actions and Compress menus in Dolphin. How do I enable them?
[10:53] <chrisfromgreece> There is a problem with the newer kernel and amd proprietary drivers , when you try to install proprietary drivers system won't boot
[10:53] <chrisfromgreece> ...is it fixed or not?
[10:57] <chrisfromgreece> can you see my text ?
[11:01] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: have you checked with the manufacturer of said propietary drivers?
[11:03] <chrisfromgreece> i know its a problem that will be solved in the future i allready used askubuntu
[11:07] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: who is solving it? The Ubuntu kernel team or AMD ?
[11:07] <chrisfromgreece> its just not supported by the newer kernel on ubuntu 15.10
[11:07] <chrisfromgreece> i dont know when will be solved
[11:08] <clivejo> You will have to wait until the kernel team apply a patch/fix the problem and use an older kernel that works
[11:09] <chrisfromgreece> how i can installer an older kernel on kubuntu 15.10
[11:09] <clivejo> it usually keeps an older version, when it installs a new old
[11:10] <clivejo> drop into the grub menu and see what options you have
[11:11] <clivejo> You press and hold your SHIFT key while booting to access grub
[11:12] <clivejo> chrisfromgreece: for more information about grub, see here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[11:16] <chrisfromgreece> am i gonna be able to see an older kernel version on grub
[11:16] <chrisfromgreece> ?
[11:19] <chrisfromgreece> this thing was not supposed to happen
[11:30] <hateball> ack, they left too soon :\
[11:30] <hateball> it is a shame when people want help do not idle
[12:07] <mike_sta> Hi, I have a problem with the keyboard layout. It is stuck at English (US). Adding or changing the layout in the kcm module does not affect the actual layout. Using Kubuntu 15.10, KDE 5.15.0. Any ideas?
[12:08] <hateball> mike_sta: can you change it with setxkbmap ?
[12:15] <mike_sta> hateball: yes
[12:16] <hateball> hmmm, sadly not got a plasma 5 machine handy here
[12:16] <hateball> but someone surely will show up if you are patient :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:17] <Smurphy> yo dude ...
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hi Smurphy
[13:44] <Smurphy> Boring day. Loocking at pcap day in day out currently ...
[13:45] <Smurphy> And all thta, because customer's can't configure switches correctly :(
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, pcap?
[14:04] <TJ-> BluesKaj: packet capture; the network package file format used by libpcap, and the user tools tcpdump, wireshark, etc.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok thanks
[14:09] <gombean> Hi all.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> hi gombean
[14:10] <gombean> I am trying to set a default application for magnet links in firefox. Ktorrent is the only app in the list, but I use qBittorrent. When I click 'Choose Application', it just opens a dolphin(-like) window. How do I choose qbittorrent from here?
[14:10] <gombean> do i just choose /usr/bin/qbittorrent?
[14:14] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: pcap -> packet capture of network data.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is default, remove it and qbittorerent should open the next time you invoke a torrent url , how ever FF doesn't do magnetic links without configuration, copy the magnet link location and click on the add url in qbittorent
[14:14] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:14] <Smurphy> ktorrent does magnetic links
[14:15] <BluesKaj> yes, but ktorrent is a pita in other ways
[14:15] <gombean> qbiitorrent does magnet links fine
[14:16] <BluesKaj> gom yes it does if you don't use firefox browser
[14:16] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:16] <gombean> i got it by adding /usr/bin/qbittorrent to app list for firefox magnet links and setting this as default. now clicking on a magnet will automatically open the magnet in qbittorrent
[14:17] <gombean> unless I am missing something, this appears to work 100%
[14:19] <gombean> is /usr/bin/[app-name] the correct executable to use and are there cases where it is not?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> gombean, if you're unsure just use the locate packagename in the terminal
[14:27] <gombean> BluesKaj: nice one, thanks
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gom where is the app list in firefox you just mentioned?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gombean,^
[14:31] <gombean> BluesKaj: When I am on a 'certain' site and click on a magnet link... it just appears. Ktorrent was the only one in the list until I added qBittorrent
[14:32] <gombean> BluesKaj: But now I notice that for an actual *.torrent file, I only see KTorrent in the list....!?
[14:32] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: in what ways is ktorrent a pita ?
[14:33] <gombean> I will just uninstall KTorrent
[14:33] <gombean> Smurphy: just personal preference for me really
[14:34] <Smurphy> :}
[14:35] <gombean> all good :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> gombean, I removed ktorrent , you eithe apt-get remove ktorrent in the terminal or use the packge manager , then qbittorrent will become the only alternative torrent cleint , hence the default
[14:38] <dougiel> so I installed 15.10 and I have not network or wifi - any thoughts?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, qbittorrent is more configurable for ports and download bandwidth etc..w're ikn the boonies and wife is a gamer so we needd more control overdownloading
[14:39] <BluesKaj> dougiel, which wifi chip?
[14:40] <dougiel> atheros 8151 if I recall... double checking
[14:41] <dougiel> Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[14:41] <dougiel> Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[14:41] <hegemon8> o/ All
[14:41] <dougiel> \o
[14:42] <hegemon8> quick question, when if at all can i expect to see Muon software center to be back again? (The one with packages list like in synaptic
[14:43] <hegemon8> Discover is cool, but it lacks that small command tools that i could browse, You know the whole repo list?
[14:47] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: You're wife is a gamer ??? *lol* Cool. One thing we have in common then :D
[14:48] <Smurphy> Mine is addicted to games. Check this out -> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=blog&user=2§ion=232
[14:48] <BluesKaj> dougiel, there's no reason why it shouldn't work . my bcm 4311 works just fine , most broadcoms do
[14:48] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: 3rd entry -> that's our gaming env.:D Parents gaming Env ! :D
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, wife is a LOTRO and DDO gamer mostly
[14:50] <Smurphy> lol. Mine loves to play Skyrim, and we met while playing Left4dead. We still play left4dead2 on a regular base. I got a modded server at home for that :)
[14:51] <hegemon8> Left4Dead yay! ok, i'll ask my question again later, going to play now, Smurphy You've reminded me, that there are still zombies to kill...
[14:52] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, just install muon
[14:52] <hegemon8> see Ya :)
[14:52] <hegemon8> BluesKaj:
[14:53] <hegemon8> ok, is it a separate package then that Muon Discover comes with?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> muon discover and muon are 2 different packages, the old muon is much better
[14:54] <hegemon8> i had it in 14.04 with discover, and since 15.04 i guess it wasn't preinstalled
[14:54] <Smurphy> hegemon8: *rofl*: "Get up - there are zombies to kill and shit"
[14:54] <Smurphy> :D
[14:54] <hegemon8> Smurphy: i know right? :D let me install muon then :)
[14:54] <Smurphy> ;)
[14:55] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: ok, thx for clearing this, btw, naming them 2 muon doesn't make it obvious, but what ever, now i know :)
[14:55] <Smurphy> Problem for me, that left4dead2 is not fluid under linux, and I don't know why. Metro last light is faster under linux than under windows.
[14:55] <hegemon8> and BluesKaj true, i liked that "synaptic" kinda style when i know what i look for, but not exact name.
[14:56] <hegemon8> Smurphy: it runs quite well on my s...tty laptop
[14:56] <hegemon8> and man, i'm on gforce 315m
[14:57] <hegemon8> well, depends i guess
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I use muon as a package reference guide, more info about repos and dependencies etc, even use it to purge or install stuff occasionally
[14:59] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: yes, i get Ya. Discover is nice to have and needed, i wonder if 2 coud get combined like "friendly view" and advanced ? Just an idea
[15:00] * Smurphy has 2 dedicated gaming rigs, 8GB Ram, i5 2.6Ghz Quad-core CPU's, GTX660 Ti GPU's and SSD Disks (5 year old, will be replaced next year)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, I think muon discover is just a "dumbed down" gui for new useers
[15:03] <Guest49845> how do you put the volure in plasma5 (kubuntu 15.10) over 100%
[15:03] <Guest49845> it used to be called 'overdrive'
[15:03] * BluesKaj and wife are an older retired couple who discovered the benefits of the internet after my retirement in '99, and it's given us something "to do" in our so called "golden years"
[15:04] <hegemon8> Guest49845: my lame way is to use vlc, but hopefully someone have better idea
[15:05] <hegemon8> and if this is mp3 or so, there was some volume normalizer command tool that i used to make my whole music collection to be at this same vevel, that makes a difference on a playlist.
[15:07] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: thats why i think its needed, but not preffered, as i'd rather update from cli instead from GUI - progress bar tells me nothing :) (i liked the way You could show details in synaptic and see the console output
[15:07] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Niiiice... Well, we are just approaching the 50 ;) good to know we can still play after that ! :D
[15:08] <Guest49845> hegemon8: thanks - do you mean phoron-vlc?
[15:09] <hegemon8> nah, just simple vlc gui let me to go to 120% and i'm quite sure it was 200% before Guest49845
[15:12] <hegemon8> Guest49845: try http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/how-to-increase-volume-over-100-in-kde
[15:13] <hegemon8> should work still i guess
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, there is a volume normaizer in vlc/tools/prefernces/audio
[15:14] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: right, but i try to think systemwise as You know, VLC is a player, and who knows what is his scenario ? :) Playing YT clips in vlc is a way, but...
[15:14] <hegemon8> Guest49845: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2136185 check post no 4 there as well
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, congrats, you and wife look much younger than 50 :-)
[15:16] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: Watching Kubu podcast today? :)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, agreed abou the cli and updates etc, but as a reference for different packages and their uses muon has been a good info source over the yrs
[15:17] <Guest49845> hegemon8: cheers - don't think thats plasma5 compatible?
[15:18] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: yes, totally agre.
[15:18] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Ah, that's because we behave a lot like teen-agers ;)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, I tried , but I'm not a dev and so far not my cuppa tea.
[15:20] <hegemon8> Guest49845: i'm pretty sure it should, as not all kde4 stuff was ported to plasma 5 yet they're there, but its easier to remove widget then ither soft in my opinion - les hassle.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, wel, I hate to admit that i still play in a band at my age ;-)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[15:22] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: i'm not a dev myself ;( but updqates upgrades dist-upgrades autoclean autoremove and ping are always few arrows up away in my terminal, so, i lie to look to see if any "error" or so didn't pop in
[15:22] <dougiel> neither of these 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[15:22] <dougiel> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0) work on my fresh install of 15.10 suggestions welcome
[15:23] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: now You need to send us a link, i want to hear :) I play with guitar, but only to relax and piss off the neighbours, so i'd love to hear it
[15:24] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Nice ;) Well, I don't really have time for these things... Work, then I have my hobbies etc. Had to make a choice.
[15:24] <Smurphy> Maybe I'll restart music later, when time permits it again :D
[15:30] <BluesKaj_> wife wants to watch the new Prime Minister swearing in cermony here in Canada. I normally use the TV as my monitor when we aren't watching tv, so I switched to the laptop to continue.
[15:31] <hegemon8> BluesKaj_: You have cool wife, hard to say no :)
[15:32] <hegemon8> BluesKaj_: BTW any chance to check Your band somewere on the net?
[15:33] <BluesKaj_> yeah, she's always been cool, that's why I married her :-)
[15:33] <hegemon8> Lucky B! ;)
[15:34] <BluesKaj_> hegemon8, well, some of the guys are bit shy about recording, since we're basically a jam band.
[15:35] <hegemon8> fair enough BluesKaj_ - worth asking anyway :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj_> hegemon8, Np , my previous band had a wbsite with some tunes on it , but it got taken down after we broke up
[15:37] <hegemon8> ahh, pity, my friend's band had this same issue, and after they went their own way, all the vids got lost. He had 2 fav on pc, but rest... well
[15:45] <dougiel> any ideas why no networking works on the latest and greatest 15.10?
[15:46] <dougiel> ... just not sure where to look as I have the only hardware networking does not work on?
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> dougiel, sorry which broadcom again ?
[15:47] <dougiel> you get that info with lspci right?
[15:48] <BluesKaj_> yes
[15:48] <dougiel> BCM4352 AR8151 neither work - was in a bash for my raspberry
[15:49] <dougiel> lsmod
[15:49] <ejay> Hi. How can I reset dolphins thumbs? I mean those small pictures that previews gfx files in a folder.
[15:51] <dougiel> cfg80211 484040 1 wl
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> dougiel, install broadcom-sta-common
[16:09] <parveen> hello
[16:10] <parveen> i have installed kubuntu 15.10 on my laptop. but i can't find vlc medis player on its software center. can anyone help me on this
[16:16] <hegemon8> parveen: chceck if You have Canonical Partners sources checked in Your Sources list
[16:33] <dougiel> BCM4352 AR8151 neither work - on my 15.10 install suggestions welcome... after googling it looks like I am the only one on the planet having issues
[17:21] <dougiel> BluesKaj, you have to manually config network in 15.10 I don't recall doing anything intellectual on my 14.04 but am here now
[17:21] <dougiel> 15.10 is running and I am connected via wifi
[17:54] <Towkir> anyone can help me generating a fingerprint ??
[17:55] <Smurphy> Fingferprint of what ???
[17:56] <Towkir> was trying to generate a OpenGPG fingerprint
[17:56] <Smurphy> Fingerprint ? You have a private key yet ???
[17:57] <Towkir> which is needed for signing the ubuntu code of conduct
[17:57] <Towkir> not sure
[17:57] <Towkir> how to check pls ?
[17:57] <Smurphy> Lol. Ah. Use the kgpg
[17:57] <Towkir> how is that ?
[17:57] <Smurphy> it's an application. Install it, and use it.
[17:57] <Smurphy> Got a Ui.
[17:58] <Towkir> searching :)
[17:58] <Towkir> thanks,
[17:58] <Towkir> If I fail, I will ping you Smurphy :)
[17:58] <Smurphy> lol. Do that :)
[18:13] <lolmaus> I've installed fresh 15.10 and I'm missing Actions and Compress menus in Dolphin. How do I enable them?
[18:14] <Kwaadpepper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1499530
[18:15] <Kwaadpepper> sudo ln -s /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/konqpopupmenuplugin.desktop /usr/share/kservicetypes5/
[18:21] <rom1504> Hi I have this bug where icons are small when starting a session in kubuntu, it goes back to normal after a few seconds but it's annoying http://download.rom1504.fr/stuff/bugkubuntu.png
[18:21] <rom1504> any way to fix that ?
[18:21] <rom1504> it's happening since 15.10
[18:25] <marco-parillo> rom1504: I am guessing it is related to the push for better support on high-resolution displays. Some of the posters here are experienced in device driver selection (my guess on the root cause) and you can blacklist certain drivers.
[18:33] <rom1504> hmm how would I blacklist drivers ?
[18:33] <rom1504> (I'm using nvidia-352)
[18:56] <denza242> rom1504: which drivers?
[18:57] <denza242> oh
[19:54] <Voyage> Some times my skype and other GUI gets messed up. I think xorg got messed up when i sent an 'intrupt' signal by accident. How can i fix it?
[19:54] <Voyage> Kubuntu LTS, dont know about chipset but its asus z97 k board http://pastie.org/10529683
[20:09] <frecel> I posted the link to Scarlett's patreon campaign on the Linux Action Show subreddit
[20:09] <frecel> https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3rja1j/kubuntukde_developer_needs_your_help/
[20:09] <frecel> We should get this campaign as much visibility as possible
[20:13] <dougl> 15.10 buggy or is it may hardware?
[20:13] <dougl> my
[20:14] <Smurphy> Did you upgrade or did you do a fresh install ?
[20:16] <genii> Could be either or both
[20:18] <Smurphy> I had to practically eliminate the plasma config from 15.04 to get it working right.
[20:23] <rom1504> Smurphy: ah you do you do that ? it might solve my pb
[20:25] <LeeJunFan> Is there anywhere to get updated firefox-kde? The plasmazilla ppa is 4 versions behind.
[20:27] <newb> hi all
[20:27] <newb> can someone tell me if kubuntu works on a non-pae cpu ?
[20:29] <genii> !docs > genii
[20:30] <lordievader> newb: No, IIRC since 12.04 Ubuntu's kernels require pae.
[20:33] <newb> lordievader: ok ok. is er een manier om dat te forceren ?
[20:34] <lordievader> newb: This is an English channel, join #ubuntu-nl if you want to continue in Dutch ;)
[20:34] <TJ-> newb: is the CPU definitely non-PAE - some CPUs just don't advertise it in their flags and you can "forcepae" on the kernel command-line
[20:34] <lordievader> newb: There is a check to see if the cpu supports pae upon install of new kernels.
[20:35] <denza242> LeeJunFan: hmm
[20:44] <newb> hmm how can I check?
[20:45] <newb> sys info says .......Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3200 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
[20:45] <newb> cant seem to find anything if this suka got pae
[20:45] <laci> hy
[20:50] <lordievader> newb: i5 should support pae... What kind of problems are you getting?
[20:51] <newb> lordievader: it says pae feature not present on the cpu
[20:51] <newb> lordievader: ive checked the bios but couldnt find a thing regarding pae
[20:52] <lordievader> newb: That is very odd. Where did that sys info line come from?
[20:52] <txrx> lordievader: win7
[20:53] <lordievader> newb: This is a physical install, not a vm install or anything like that?
[20:54] <newb> lordievader: no its in vm orcale vitrual box
[20:55] <lordievader> newb: Ah, that explains a lot. Is vt-x and vt-d enabled?
[20:56] <newb> lordievader: hmm checking rite now
[20:57] <newb> lordievader: solved!!! you r the man thx..installing as we speak
[20:57] <lordievader> newb: Cool, good to hear.
[22:36] <robr> Hello
[22:36] <robr> I would like to know how to go about checking what is causing my HDD to fill up so fast
[22:43] <Fritigern> robr: First us filelight or K$DirStat to find out which failes/folders are the largest on your system.
[22:44] <Fritigern> Sorry, fast typing.... the second program is called K4Dirstat
[22:45] * keithzg give three cheers for Filelight, one of the most useful GUI programs of all time
[22:50] <denza242> robr: Filelight is your best bet
[22:50] * denza242 cheers with keithzg
[22:56] <denza242> what does this mean W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages Hash Sum mismatch
[22:56] * denza242 scared
[22:57] <Fritigern> I prefer k4dirstat myself, because I don't care for that pie chart in filelight, and I also like having a tree menu that I can navigate besides the graphical depiction of the file/directory sizes.
[22:58] <denza242> what about fsview then
[22:58] <Fritigern> Hash sum mismatch most likely means that the transferred file got corrupt. Either on the server, during transfer, or on your own PC.
[22:59] <Fritigern> I haven;t used fsview, I will see iif i can install it
[22:59] <Fritigern> Doesn't seem to be in the (wily) repos.
[22:59] <genii> !info fsview
[23:00] <genii> !info fsview vivid
[23:00] <genii> Hm
[23:01] <Fritigern> fsview appears to have last been part of precise
[23:02] <denza242> weird
[23:02] <denza242> i have fsview
[23:02] <Fritigern> Prolly from some PPA, or perhaps you decline the removal of packages after an upgrade?
[23:02] <Fritigern> (release upgrade, that is)
[23:04] <denza242> actually, i think it's part of another package
[23:04] <denza242> since I have /usr/bin/fsview
[23:04] <denza242> it's in konq-plugins
[23:04] <clivejo> installed by konq-plugins
[23:04] <clivejo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/amd64/konq-plugins/filelist
[23:04] <denza242> ^
[23:04] <Fritigern> Wait, konq is still not dead? In spite of dolphin and rekonq?
[23:05] <bprompt_> correct
[23:08] <bprompt_> denza242: but I believe you can use any of the konqueror plugins in rekonq anyway
[23:21] <Fritigern> That reminds me, before Wily, I had an action menu in dolphin, but that's gone now. It used to have actions like opening a terminal at that folder, rename with krename, extract/compress, and more. All that is gone now, but is there a way I can re-add that?
[23:21] * Fritigern is kinda set in his ways
[23:24] <Supermanintights> has anyone had performance issues in 15.10? I'm getting regular crashes (krunner being the biggest culprit), and more than 3-4 tabs and firefox grinds to a near standstill, or at least far laggy beyond acceptable use. Occasional typing lag as well in different apps
[23:25] <keithzg> Supermanintights: first question, which graphics drivers are you running?
[23:58] <keithzg> What's the preferred way of installing Telegram on Kubuntu? I see there are PPAs out there, but those don't seem to be official. On the other hand, the official way Telegram documents installing is to use their own installer. This all then seems complicated by how it apparently upgrades itself via an Updater app, which would seem to complicate the packaging of it . . .
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.659405
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BluesKaj",
"BluesKaj_",
"Fritigern",
"Guest49845",
"Kwaadpepper",
"LeeJunFan",
"Margus",
"ShishKabab",
"Smurphy",
"Supermanintights",
"TJ-",
"Towkir",
"TriedToLiterally",
"Voyage",
"bprompt_",
"chrisfromgreece",
"clivejo",
"denza242",
"dougiel",
"dougl",
"ejay",
"eliba",
"frecel",
"freiform",
"gabrimonfa",
"genii",
"gombean",
"hateball",
"hegemon8",
"jrg",
"keithzg",
"laci",
"lolmaus",
"lordievader",
"marco-parillo",
"mike_sta",
"newb",
"parveen",
"robr",
"rodolfojcj",
"rom1504",
"svend-ev",
"txrx",
"tzvika1"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23kubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#kubuntu"
}
|
2015-11-04-#snappy
|
[03:41] <Sam_> Hi
[05:22] * Guest42341 such a beautiful day, today. great for science and such
[07:39] <liuxg_> where can find the output messages from a running snappy app? thanks
[08:11] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:19] <kgunn> stgraber: ping
[09:20] <mvo_> ogra_: you may need to rebase your livecd-rootfs ppa changes with my latest upload (should be trivial though)
[09:46] <ogra_> mvo_, will do (i hope i get done today, implementing this is hell ... (our chroot is so messed up after build due to removing half the packaging system))
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Stress Awareness Day! 😃
[14:20] <tedg> Oh man, I didn't send out stress awareness day cards. Now I'm stressed about it, but at least aware.
[14:24] <mcphail> Hi. Do we have a target date for the phone to transition to snappy?
[14:35] <mvo_> jdstrand: hey, just fyi - https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/55 is up mostly to get input from Chipaca but you are welcome to look/comment/reply of course
[15:04] <jdstrand> mvo_: ack, thanks
[15:24] <tedg> mcphail: No, there isn't a date set yet.
[15:31] <elopio> fgimenez: do you think subunit Status should return the number of bytes written?
[15:32] <fgimenez> elopio, doesn't feel quite well, maybe we could get rid of all the writer stuff
[15:32] <fgimenez> elopio, i think that the only useful part now is the multiwriter
[15:33] <elopio> fgimenez: I agree. Your pipes structure was cool, but now I don't find a use for it.
[15:33] <elopio> but before I get rid of it, I want to make sure that we would be able to put this subunit module in gocheck.
[15:33] <elopio> maybe I'll try that first before doing anything crazy on our branch.
[15:34] <fgimenez> elopio, ok makes sense
[15:47] <mcphail> tedg: thanks
[15:47] <stgraber> kgunn: pong
[17:35] <snappy_> getting a "UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed" error when trying to run mir app.
[17:35] <snappy_> any1 else run into this issue?
[18:19] <mvo_> jdstrand: I added the check for changes in "apparmor, ubuntu-core-security-*" around the snappy policygen --regenerate-all now, do you happen to remember if anything else is missing featurewise?
[19:02] <sergiusens> mvo_, is there a way to setup APT::Install-Recommends false using python3-apt?
[19:02] <mvo_> sergiusens: yes, apt.apt_pkg.config.set("apt::install-recommends", "false")
[19:03] <sergiusens> mvo_, neat
[19:03] <mvo_> python-apt is quite good :)
[19:04] <sergiusens> mvo_, it is :-)
[19:04] <sergiusens> mvo_, btw, did you figure out my question from the other day?
[19:05] <mvo_> sergiusens: uh, what was the question? about apt update files? sorry, I forgot again, could you help me?
[19:05] <sergiusens> mvo_, about having .fetch_archives tell me what it downloaded
[19:06] <sergiusens> or what it is about to download
[19:06] <sergiusens> mvo_, either is fine
[19:06] <mvo_> sergiusens: aha, so there is definitely a list of the urls in the acquire system, I just need to have a look how to access it
[19:08] <sergiusens> mvo_, great, this will allow me to download once per project if multiple parts require the same deb
[19:09] <mvo_> sergiusens: ok, so the best way is to create a "fetcher" via apt_pkg.Acquire(progress) and with fetch.list you can iterate over the list of items that got downloaded
[19:09] <mvo_> sergiusens: oh, if that is your use-case just use a common download dir
[19:09] <mvo_> sergiusens: apt will re-use existing debs, i.e. not fetch them again
[19:10] <sergiusens> mvo_, oh, but I need to unpack each to its own private location
[19:11] <sergiusens> mvo_, unless I just download once and unpack into the stage area and forget about putting it in part.installdir
[19:11] <mvo_> sergiusens: right, unpack them to any location, just keep the apt.Cache(rootdir=./something) to the same "something" for all parts
[19:11] <sergiusens> also a possibility; then we get the same phantom dep bugs as in debian packaging when using multiple parts masking missed deps :-)
[19:11] <mvo_> sergiusens: i.e. just keep the debs and the list in the same dir, unpack and handle in whatever way yu want
[19:12] <mvo_> sergiusens: well, you can of course iterate over a fetcher.items, each item will have a uri and a description
[19:13] <sergiusens> mvo_, ok, I'll look into it
[19:13] <mvo_> sergiusens: I will be off a bit, but just mail me any questions
[19:13] <mvo_> sergiusens: or telegram
[19:14] <sergiusens> thanks
[19:14] <jerryG> Chipaca: what changes need to be made to get sockets working with freerdp?
[19:33] <Chipaca> jerryG: I don't know; what isn't working?
[19:36] <jerryG> Chipaca: pastebin.com/ZvU8yFgL
[19:36] <Chipaca> jerryG: oooh, nice :)
[19:37] <Chipaca> jerryG: so, first, figure out what system call is being blocekd
[19:37] <Chipaca> blocked*
[19:38] <Chipaca> second, have your wrapper script set XKB_CONFIG_ROOT so it finds the xkb bits, if you need them
[19:38] <Chipaca> jerryG: but your first problem is that system call, clearly
[19:40] <Chipaca> jerryG: so. sc-logresolve is probably what you want. Or sudo journalctl | grep -i audit
[19:44] <Chipaca> jerryG: where do sockets come into it?
[19:48] <Chipaca> jerryG: also, do you need sudo?
[21:10] <tedg> zyga: I'm trying to run a single plainbox test in Snapcraft, do you know how to do that?
[21:34] <zyga> tedg: yes, one sec
[21:35] <zyga> tedg: have you seen ...
[21:35] <zyga> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snapcraft/plainbox-app
[21:35] <zyga> tedg: (I need to return to that soon)
[21:36] <zyga> tedg: this allows you to do all of that
[21:41] <tedg> zyga: So I can't do it today?
[21:41] <zyga> tedg: with that example you can, with the current code it is also doable, just uglier
[21:41] <zyga> one sec
[21:42] <tedg> Why do we have all these custom wrappers? Feels weird this functionality isn't just provided as part of plainbox.
[21:42] <tedg> We shouldn't have code to support running the tool :-/
[21:43] <zyga> tedg: because it was written against old version that was in the archive
[21:43] <sergiusens> zyga, since you are here, can we have 'silent mode unless errors' for plainbox commands spitting output?
[21:43] <zyga> sergiusens: I believe exactly that is implemented in the branch above
[21:44] <zyga> tedg: plainbox is primarily a library and now it's very easy to create all kinds of tailored tools on top
[21:44] <zyga> tedg: like the one I wrote there
[21:44] <zyga> sergiusens: it runs tests and shows the error for each failing test
[21:45] <zyga> tedg: plainbox run -i regexp-matching-test-id
[21:45] <zyga> tedg: that runs a single thing
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: in integration_tests/runtests.sh you can see we call plainbox run -T $test_plan
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: you can run plainbox run -i blah manually
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: for quick testing that's actually pretty useful
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: you can run manage.py develop
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: then all of the snapcraft integration test cases are available directly
[21:46] <zyga> tedg: plainbox run -i test_id
[21:47] <tedg> zyga: Can you give me an example, that wasn't working for me.
[21:47] <zyga> tedg: sure, let's see
[21:52] <zyga> tedg: eh :)
[21:52] <zyga> tedg: SNAPCRAFT=snapcraft plainbox run -i 2015.com.canonical.snapcraft::snapcraft/normal/bzr-tag
[21:52] <zyga> tedg: everything failed because $SNAPCRAFT was unset, it is set by the wrapper script
[21:52] <zyga> tedg: I think scripts could just default to ${SNAPCRAFT:-snapcraft}
[21:53] <zyga> tedg: or really make it always snapcraft and rely on PATH being set
[21:53] <zyga> tedg: but that's just script design
[21:53] <zyga> tedg: that worked for me _after_ I ran "./manage.py develop" to register the snapcraft integration testing tests with plainbox
[21:54] <zyga> tedg: actually running a provider "from source" is one of the last snapcraft driven APIs that I haven't improved, I have a branch for that but I haven't worked on it since holidays (overloaded with other stuff)
[21:54] <zyga> tedg: there's a branch that adds a provider unit so that manage.py becomes obsolete (apart from being a convenience for running stuff interactively)
[21:55] <zyga> tedg: and then plainbox run could take a path to the provider as an argument, to let it just run without any extra setup
[21:55] <tedg> Okay, I think that I was missing the ./manage.py develop step
[21:55] <zyga> tedg: and anther, unrelated, branch that adds environment units so that a job can sensibly depend on an environment variable and things like unset SNAPCRAFT won't have bad UX
[21:55] <tedg> I seem to get a test now.
[21:56] <zyga> tedg: I will return to them after I settle down in the snappy core team and start feeling some free time on Fridays
[21:56] <tedg> The test fails, but at least it runs :-)
[21:56] <zyga> tedg: hehe :)
[21:56] <zyga> stuff I've mentioned is in https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/checkbox/config-units
[21:56] <zyga> and in https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/checkbox/provider-unit
[21:58] <zyga> sergiusens: can you confirm my assertion
[21:58] <zyga> sergiusens: if there is something to actually do there I'd love to know
[21:59] <sergiusens> zyga, how far back do I have to read? I am all for not needing manage.py
[22:00] <zyga> sergiusens: just about the interactive output on error thing you asked about
[22:01] <sergiusens> zyga, if it is already there, that's fine; I recall it from Budapest now
[22:01] <sergiusens> zyga, ideally it would live in trunk/master ;-)
[22:01] <zyga> ::)
[22:01] <zyga> sergiusens: yeah, belive me, I wish I had 34 hours, not 24
[22:01] <zyga> sergiusens: catching up with family, checkbox, snappy and UOS now
[22:01] <zyga> sergiusens: and $commercial_project
[22:01] <zyga> sergiusens: fun
[23:02] <jerryG> Chipaca: no. I don't need sudo to reproduce error. DO u want me to send you journalctl output?
[23:03] <jerryG> Chipaca: sockets are used to connect w/ remote host
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.675542
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Chipaca",
"Guest42341",
"JamesTait",
"Sam_",
"elopio",
"fgimenez",
"jdstrand",
"jerryG",
"kgunn",
"liuxg_",
"mcphail",
"mvo_",
"ogra_",
"sergiusens",
"snappy_",
"stgraber",
"tedg",
"zyga"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23snappy.txt",
"channel": "#snappy"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-za
|
[05:26] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:27] <magespawn> good morning
[05:44] <pieter2627> it's a cold morning... brrr..
[06:01] <magespawn> there was some rain here this morning
[06:11] <pieter2627> still hoping for proper rain here
[06:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:33] <inetpro> magespawn: rain, what is that?
[06:37] <pieter2627> hi inetpro
[06:38] <pieter2627> rain is the meds to improve sleep :P
[06:39] <inetpro> here in Gauteng we just jump between extreme heat and almost extreme winter conditions all the time
[06:40] * pieter2627 invisioned a white christmas this morning
[07:05] <andrewlsd> Morning all.
[07:31] <magespawn> inetpro: this sort of wet, slightly cold stuff that falls out of the sky, i had to go look it up
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> moooorning
[07:33] <magespawn> if i ssh from byobu to a server, then run htop on the server, how do i stop htop without killing the byobu window/
[07:33] <magespawn> hey thatgraemeguy
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> uh, how do you normally exit htop?
[07:35] <magespawn> F10
[07:35] <thatgraemeguy> ah i see you can use F10
[07:35] <thatgraemeguy> press 'q' just like plain old top
[07:35] <magespawn> right thanks
[07:35] <thatgraemeguy> np
[07:36] <magespawn> hah, works like a charm
[07:39] <magespawn> playing around using byobu on my local machine
[07:41] <inetpro> magespawn: Ctrl+C
[07:43] <magespawn> thanks inetpro, that works as well
[15:58] * Kilos waves
[16:31] <gremble> Are any of you having trouble connecting to IRC with mweb?
[16:41] <MaNI> left mweb a long time ago but had endless IRC problems wi th them before I did FWIW
[17:30] <stickyboy> Kilos: Dude, what happened to our communities?
[17:31] <Kilos> what you mean stickyboy ?
[17:31] <Kilos> ive been slack i spose
[17:32] <stickyboy> Kilos: I'm leaving Kenya permanently in 3 weeks. :(
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my
[17:32] <Kilos> before you go get the ubuntu users in that lug to join the africa channel
[17:33] <Kilos> even the other linux users
[17:34] <Kilos> stickyboy ^^
[17:35] <Kilos> find someone to head things there
[17:36] <stickyboy> Kilos: I'll still be involved, but I might start a new cult of personality in Bulgaria.
[17:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:37] <Kilos> enjoy yourself
[17:38] <stickyboy> Eight years in Kenya...
[17:38] <Kilos> like home already
[17:38] <stickyboy> Totally
[17:39] <Kilos> if you arent happy with leaving then why do it
[17:48] <stickyboy> Kilos: Nah, it's home, but I am ready for new adventures. :)
[17:55] <Kilos> haha
[17:56] <Kilos> tell those lug peeps to join us man
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.680784
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Kilos",
"MaNI",
"andrewlsd",
"gremble",
"inetpro",
"magespawn",
"pieter2627",
"stickyboy",
"thatgraemeguy"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-za.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-za"
}
|
2015-11-04-#kubuntu-devel
|
[06:17] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: received and distributed
[06:17] <ovidiu-florin> you already got a patron
[09:09] <tsdgeos> mck182__: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrFastImport
[09:09] <tsdgeos> seems to not be packaged in ubuntu?
[09:12] <yofel> it was in the past
[09:12] <yofel> Deleted on 2015-08-21 by Steve Langasek
[09:12] <yofel> (From Debian) RoQA; orphaned, unmaintained upstream, rc-buggy; Debian bug #742416
[09:13] <yofel> vivid and older have it in the archive if you need it
[10:13] <yofel> mgraesslin: what do you think about the symbol diff at the bottom of https://launchpadlibrarian.net/224122678/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kwin_4%3A5.4.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[10:13] <yofel> It looks like libepoxy 1.3 is namespacing things?
[10:14] <mgraesslin> yofel: yes, see https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125883/
[10:14] <yofel> ah, nice, thanks!
[10:14] <mgraesslin> yofel: if you have any additional input, please add
[10:29] <yofel> what a mess :S
[12:16] <Mirv> phew, running KDE on xenial on Qt 5.5.1, just in time to mention it in the Qt session
[12:22] <yofel> and nothing exploded? sweet \o/
[12:29] <mamarley> Mirv: I have been running your 5.5.x packages on Wily for quite some time now. I like them alot because they fix an issue I had been having on some of my older computers where the mouse cursor would jerk alot when starting a Qt5 application. Thanks!
[12:31] <Mirv> mamarley: you're welcome! :) and I moved the wily packages today to a new location as documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting since I guessed some people will want to use them. that way they can be kept in a more permanent place than that landing PPA.
[12:31] <mamarley> Yep, I saw that when I suddenly had a bunch of "local or obsolete" packages this morning, so I looked at the wiki and found the new location.
[12:32] <Mirv> yofel: well, after fixing kwin symbols, nothing exploded. others recompiled without problems.
[12:32] <Mirv> but no issues I can immediately see from user point of view when doing the siwtch
[12:32] <Mirv> mamarley: heh, good to have up-to-date documentation then
[12:32] <mamarley> Yep :)
[12:33] * mamarley probably won't be able to resist upgrading to Xenial for that much longer.
[12:41] <ahoneybun> yofel: the heck are you doing on trello
[12:42] <ahoneybun> removing me from the cards and moving done cards over
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I see you're moving everithing now
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> I was planning to move the thing from promotion myself
[12:48] <ovidiu-florin> and then review each one if it's still valid or not
[12:48] <ovidiu-florin> but I can go through the whole backlog
[12:48] <ovidiu-florin> and add labels
[12:48] <ovidiu-florin> to all of them
[12:51] <yofel> ahoneybun: I didn't move anything that was actually marked was DONE
[12:51] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I didn't touch promotion, I'll leave that to you
[12:52] <ahoneybun> mm
[12:52] <yofel> ahoneybun: sorry about the removals, I forgot to add people to the board *before* moving the cards -.-
[12:52] <ahoneybun> it's all good
[12:57] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm just happy to see movement :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:01] <mhall119> FYI, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22570/qt-for-1604-lts/ is starting now
[14:02] <sgclark> morning
[14:24] <Guest91343> hola
[14:24] <Guest91343> como les va
[14:24] <Guest91343> mi jente
[14:47] <sgclark> yofel: my computer was acting and had to reboot and missed most of qt uos, did you catch what we need to do to get 5.5 going?
[14:47] <yofel> well, 5.5 is mostly ready from what I gathered. So adding the landing PPA and reporting any issues we see would be the way to go
[14:48] <yofel> for those of us that are running xenial at least
[14:50] <sgclark> ok, guess I should do that
[14:51] <sgclark> I am about to release my trusty backports, look out for any issues and let me know all
[14:52] <yofel> this should get a news post on the website
[14:52] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: could you add that?
[14:52] <yofel> or give me Author permissions?
[16:12] <yofel> hm, python3-only on images session going on right now
[16:12] <yofel> that would be a fun task....
[16:15] <sgclark> ouch
[16:15] <sgclark> so we have to get core-dev it seems yofel
[16:16] <yofel> to be on the release team? yes, Scott already told me that
[16:16] <sgclark> ok
[16:18] <yofel> thanks for telling me that someone replied though ^^
[16:18] <sgclark> np
[16:18] <sgclark> do you know where we atart to get going on that?
[16:18] <sgclark> start*
[16:21] <yofel> well, you need to gather some recommendations for the application and need to know how to work with software in 'main'
[16:21] <yofel> so we would need to work on something in there (e.g. Qt)
[16:22] <sgclark> ok
[16:23] <yofel> additionally, you need to know how the release process works to not step on other people's feet during freezes etc.
[16:23] <yofel> but that's already a MOTU requirement
[16:24] <_Ridgewing> Hiya guys _Ridgewing here !
[16:24] <sgclark> hiyas
[16:24] <yofel> hey
[16:24] <_Ridgewing> 'allo.
[16:24] <_Ridgewing> When the podcast due, today ?
[16:25] <yofel> if the schedule doesn't lie, 19:00 UTC
[16:25] * _Ridgewing already consumed numerous beers :-)
[16:25] <yofel> ahoneybun: ^
[16:26] <_Ridgewing> Looking forward to the hangout and getting wiki.kubuntu.org up-and running.
[16:26] <yofel> hm, installing kubuntu-desktop in a chroot and then apt-get purging python2.7 results in 63 removals
[16:26] <yofel> not as bad as I thought
[16:26] <_Ridgewing> We could make it as good as the KDE one.
[16:37] <allee> sgclark: FYI: after 24 hours using your trusty staging-applications I've seen no regression. Great work!
[16:40] <sgclark> great :) thanks allee
[16:42] <clivejo> yofel: do you know who looks after node.js in ubuntu?
[16:42] <yofel> no, best ask in #ubuntu-devel
[16:45] <clivejo> :( do I have to?
[16:46] <yofel> hey, they don't bite!
[16:46] <yofel> we're all ubuntu devs after all
[16:46] <clivejo> I beg to differ
[16:46] <yofel> #ubuntu-server might be another place
[16:46] <clivejo> Ill just install for source
[16:48] <clivejo> this is weird, Ive had more problems with wily from it was release than the entire time it was in devel!
[16:50] <yofel> that's the usual pattern...
[16:50] <clivejo> maybe I should upgrade to xenial
[16:50] <clivejo> that could be fun!
[17:03] <yofel> make sure to also add the qt5.5 PPA
[17:03] <yofel> otherwise not much changed so far :P
[17:06] <Riddell> prth: yo?
[17:07] <prth> hi Riddell
[17:07] <Riddell> prth: want to talk ubiquity?
[17:08] <prth> sure
[17:09] <prth> i'm planning to first port kde_ui.py so that other individual pages & plugins can be tested
[17:09] <Riddell> prth: do you know the project timeline?
[17:09] <prth> yes, 4 months till Feb I think
[17:10] <Riddell> finish end of feb, loads of time
[17:10] <prth> yupp
[17:10] <Riddell> main priority being to port ubiquity to PyQt 5
[17:10] <Riddell> which probably isn't so difficult
[17:11] <Riddell> is ubiquity using python 3?
[17:11] <Riddell> yes it is so that's fine
[17:11] <Riddell> prth: have you used PyQt before?
[17:12] <prth> yes but while creating patches for Ubiquity
[17:13] <Riddell> prth: I guess reading the general qt 4->5 documents would be worth doing as well as any pyqt specific ones
[17:13] <Riddell> prth: have you used bzr?
[17:13] <prth> sure, I have read it & will be referring it a lot
[17:14] <prth> Riddell, yes I have used bzr & am comfortable with it
[17:14] <Riddell> prth: presumably start off by making a branch for this port in launchpad
[17:15] <prth> Riddell, I have set up the project & started hacking on the VM
[17:15] <prth> Riddell, sure
[17:15] <Riddell> prth: did you read agateau's blog post about working on ubiquity?
[17:15] <Riddell> http://agateau.com/2013/hacking-on-ubiquity-the-setup/
[17:15] <prth> yes I followed that only
[17:16] <Riddell> prth: do you have a blog on planet kde? will you do a starting blog post?
[17:16] <prth> Riddell, should i use kubuntu 16.04 daily build because once the current build was buggy
[17:17] <prth> Riddell, no but I can.
[17:17] <prth> I'll publish the starting blog this weekend
[17:18] <Riddell> prth: use whatever works, I would think kubuntu 15.10 release is fine and will not be as unstable as 16.04 daily
[17:19] <prth> I'll open a bug report to add my blog's kde feed
[17:22] <Riddell> prth: presumably you're still at university during this time?
[17:23] <prth> yes Riddell
[17:23] <Riddell> prth: do you have exams?
[17:24] <prth> yes first week of december
[17:25] <Riddell> ok, so obviously those will take priority
[17:27] <Riddell> prth: hopefully you can finish off the qt5 port with plenty time to fix other bugs in ubiquity :)
[17:27] <prth> sure Riddell
[17:27] <prth> :)
[17:27] <Riddell> prth: have you ever used oem-config?
[17:28] <prth> no but i know about it
[17:29] <Riddell> prth: worth trying out an oem install to make yourself familiar, oem-config is ubiquity in a different mode and it's possible to break oem-config when working on ubquity
[17:30] <prth> ok, i'll try it Riddell
[18:45] <clivejo> anyone notice that the clock on the login screen seems to stand still?
[19:03] <allee> clivejo: no. I've tried: Loggged out -> 20:02 Now it shows 20:03
[19:04] <_Ridgewing> I see you in the video. Yay \o/
[19:05] <_Ridgewing> "Tings could go wrong" hehe.
[19:05] <allee> _Ridgewing: URL?
[19:05] <_Ridgewing> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22565/kubuntu-podcast/
[19:06] <wxl> sgclark: saw your blog post. is the ppa the staging area for moving things into the official backports repos?
[19:07] <sgclark> Afraid I do not know how that process works. ANother thing to learn. Going in blind on all this.
[19:08] <sgclark> wxl: ^
[19:08] <wxl> okie dokie, sgclark. do you know who i might ask?
[19:08] <sgclark> He quit
[19:08] <sgclark> yofel: might know
[19:09] <wxl> okie dokie
[19:10] <yofel> wxl: kde is so large and has so many dep relationships that we gave up putting it into the official backports years ago
[19:10] <wxl> yofel: ok, so then the recommendation for production machines running kubuntu is to add the backports ppas, then? is this documented anywhere?
[19:11] <yofel> probably...
[19:11] <wxl> hahah
[19:11] <yofel> there is https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs
[19:11] <wxl> thx
[19:12] <genii> Do things ever get moved from Kubuntu backport PPAs to just the regular backport repositories?
[19:12] <yofel> no
[19:13] <yofel> well, maybe single things, but usually that's just a lot of effort for little benefit
[19:13] <genii> So it's not some concious separation from the regular repos then
[19:15] * genii wanders back to struggling with sddm
[19:15] <sgclark> dunno I think it may be worth it for point releases. I will look into it if I have time.
[19:16] <yofel> the problem is that the backports also requires regression testing, so you're expected to test all rdepends of libs that you update for regressions
[19:16] <yofel> with the size of kde that's a crapton of work
[19:18] <sgclark> ahh, perhaps if we get bigger with a larger tester ool lol
[19:18] <sgclark> pool*
[19:21] <allee> ovidiu-florin: for the podcast. Wouldn't it help if you reduce the screen resulution to e.g.1280x1024 this way the installation window is almost as big as your Monitor. Makes no sense to transmist > 50% of an gray area.
[19:43] <allee> ovidiu-florin: k-menu->type info -> start kinfocenter: kernel listed on 'about system' that is opened by default
[19:44] <ovidiu-florin> allee: please join in #kubuntu-podcast or #ubuntu-uos-showandtell
[19:52] <ahoneybun> yofel: can we program the bot to point to sections of the manual?
[19:52] <ahoneybun> like !repos
[19:52] <ahoneybun> !install
[19:53] <yofel> well, the factoids would need adjusting, so you need to talk to someone from the IRC team
[19:53] <yofel> genii: ^
[19:54] <genii> yofel: Putting me to work now? ;)
[19:54] <yofel> you and unity are the only people I know :P
[19:54] <yofel> erm, Unit
[20:00] <genii> PM some suggestions for what you want as Kubuntu-specific !repos or !install and I'll see what I can do
[20:01] <valorie> what a great podcast, guys
[20:02] <yofel> yep indeed, was fun to watch :)
[20:02] <valorie> heh, I was just thinking about factoids too
[20:03] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=2467&action=edit
[20:03] <valorie> !kubuntudocs = http://docs.kubuntu.org for instance
[20:03] <ahoneybun> !kubuntudocs
[20:03] <ahoneybun> !kubuntumanual
[20:03] <valorie> silly ubottu, why aren't you easy to edit like the amarok bot is?
[20:21] <valorie> ok, bbl
[20:34] <genii> ubottu: docs-#kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu documentation can be found at http://docs.kubuntu.org General linux documentation can be found at http://www.tldp.org and http://rute.2038bug.com
[20:34] * genii goes back to coffe
[20:37] <ahoneybun> !docs
[20:37] <ahoneybun> !docs-#kubuntu
[20:41] <genii> ahoneybun: It only changes it in this case to be specific to the #kubuntu channel
[20:41] <ahoneybun> right
[20:41] <valorie> oh cool
[20:41] <ahoneybun> thanks genii
[20:41] <genii> np
[20:44] <genii> I'll add one later for Kubuntu-specific !repo factoid also
[21:05] <genii> There was already a Kubuntu specific !repos which did not seem to need changing. I did add a new one for !backports now however.
[21:05] <genii> !backports-#kubuntu
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> I was looking into this: https://trello.com/integrations and integrated a bot for telegram that shows trello updates in the telegram group we have
[21:14] <yofel> would someone be kind enough to add me to that group?
[21:16] <ahoneybun> yofel: you have telegram?
[21:16] <yofel> yes
[21:17] <yofel> @Yofel over there
[21:41] <clivejo> something is badly wrong with Kontact :(
[21:47] * clivejo cries
[21:51] <yofel> define "wrong"
[21:51] <yofel> there's a lot of "wrong" with akonadi.......
[21:53] <clivejo> its throwing a tantrum, so I took a backup and deleted all the accounts
[21:53] <clivejo> tried to restore the backup and the tool crashed
[21:54] <clivejo> so trying to add the account manually
[21:56] <clivejo> Stupid wizard wont work either
[21:57] <clivejo> has anyone upgraded their system to xenial yet?
[22:01] <ahoneybun> nope
[22:04] <clivejo> curious on how it running
[22:10] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: xenial?
[22:10] <ovidiu-florin> really?
[22:11] * clivejo nods
[22:11] <clivejo> why not?
[22:15] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[22:15] <ahoneybun> at this point it really is just a nightly of wily
[22:18] <yofel> bragging rights are important ;P
[22:19] <clivejo> just the man
[22:19] <clivejo> is QT5.5 in xenial yet?
[22:19] <yofel> no, still in the landing PPA
[22:19] <yofel> will land sometime this month
[22:19] <clivejo> I guess nothing to test it with yet?
[22:20] <yofel> well, you can test the _existing_ stuff with it
[22:20] <clivejo> or will you recompile old stuff?
[22:20] <clivejo> LOL
[22:20] <yofel> Mir_v already recompiled the necessary parts in the PPA
[22:20] <clivejo> have you tried compiling frameworks with it?
[22:21] <yofel> no, I was hoping we could use the new tooling for that, but that's not at that point yet
[22:22] <yofel> and well, ENOTIME
[22:22] <clivejo> yofel: did you know rick has secured $500 of credit on Digital Ocean?
[22:23] <yofel> yes, he did say that in the meeting yesterday
[22:23] <yofel> that'll be really handy for our CI setup
[22:23] * clivejo nods
[22:23] <clivejo> get some heavy CPU droplet running
[22:24] <yofel> nah, a 4GB or even 2GB one would be sufficient, maybe another one on demand if the queue gets too long
[22:24] <yofel> otherwise we're just wasting mondey
[22:24] <yofel> what a word invention..
[22:24] <santa_> mondey
[22:27] <clivejo> hi santa_, how are the automation ng scripts coming along?
[22:27] <santa_> clivejo: good, I tested what I have so far today
[22:29] <clivejo> what you test it on?
[22:29] <santa_> a test rebuild
[22:29] <clivejo> kde stuff?
[22:30] <santa_> yes, now In just need to make the new-release script so it would be usable fo the next kde releases
[22:30] <mamarley> yofel: If you guys need Digital Ocean credit, I have some laying around that I am never going to need. It is only like $20 or $25, but you guys can use it if you want.
[22:32] <clivejo> I thought you could customise your droplet, ie 4 cores, 2 GB RAM, 20GB SSD and 1TB Transfer
[22:32] <clivejo> for building its all about the CPU :/
[22:34] <yofel> not from what I can see, but the instances are still cheaper than EC2
[22:38] <clivejo> yofel: is there such a thing as a distributed build server? Kinda like the SETI Project, World Community Grid etc where you can donate unused CPU cycles?
[22:39] <yofel> not that I know of, but I'm not sure that's something we would want to use for security reasons. (How do you guarantee that nobody tampered with the packages?)
[22:40] <yofel> ok, for the CI that might not be much of a priority
[22:40] <yofel> but if we can make the slave setup easy people can still donate build hardware (tanglu runs mostly on donated hardware)
[22:46] <wxl> what is the SC is KDE SC?
[22:47] <yofel> software compilation
[22:47] <wxl> strange thing to make an acronym out of
[22:48] <yofel> maybe that's why digikam dropped it
[22:48] <wxl> well it's still on the wiki https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs
[22:49] <yofel> right, because they weren't updated in ages, the KDE SC is KDE4
[22:49] <yofel> for the new releases you have sepeare kde frameworks 5, plasma 5 and applications YY.MM
[22:50] <wxl> ahh so SC is the intergration of frameworks and plasma
[22:50] <wxl> (i see apps referred to as a separate thing from the SC)
[22:50] <yofel> no, SC is obsolete branding for kde workspace 4 + plasma 2 + the rest of the applications
[22:50] <wxl> oh ok
[23:54] <keithzg> I think at this point we just say "KDE" and then wave vaguely in the direction of both software and community ;)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.686501
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"BluesKaj",
"Guest91343",
"Mirv",
"Riddell",
"_Ridgewing",
"ahoneybun",
"allee",
"clivejo",
"genii",
"keithzg",
"mamarley",
"mgraesslin",
"mhall119",
"ovidiu-florin",
"prth",
"santa_",
"sgclark",
"tsdgeos",
"valorie",
"wxl",
"yofel"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23kubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#kubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-br
|
[00:31] <cptjs> Olá!
[00:32] <cptjs> Alguém pode me ceder suporte quanto ao sistema operacional Ubuntu ?
[00:33] <MerliM> duvida?
[00:33] <MerliM> boa noite
[00:33] <cptjs> Boa noite
[00:33] <astroo-> ola
[00:33] <cptjs> É que eu estou em dúvida quanto aos sistemas do Windows e do Ubuntu
[00:33] <cptjs> Quais são suas diferenças ?
[00:34] <KurtKraut> cptjs, Eu sugiro começar sua leitura por aqui: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/index_br.php?lang=br
[00:34] <oliverio> olha quem apareceu.. KurtKraut
[00:34] <KurtKraut> oliverio, Aloha :D
[00:34] <cptjs> Obrigado :)
[00:39] <cptjs> Pô cara, achei o Ubuntu bem legal. Eu sou um programador de jogos digitais, e como o nome faz sentido, jogo jogos, e desenvolvo jogos, só que o problema é que o Ubuntu não é compatível aos jogos que eu jogo no meu Windows, teria como ao invés de eu rodar o Ubuntu numa máquina virtual, eu dar dual boot no Windows e no Ubuntu, sem apagar o Windows que já está no meu computador com todos os seus arquivos ?
[00:40] <astroo-> poe duplo boot
[00:41] <cptjs> Como ? :/
[00:42] <KurtKraut> cptjs, Se você é desenvolvedor da área de jogos, já ouviu falar na Valve? Em Unreal Engine? Em Unity Engine?
[00:42] <cptjs> Sim, uso a Unity para produzir meus jogos.
[00:42] <cptjs> Não gosto da Unreal, pois acho que a Unity é mais simples
[00:43] <cptjs> E não gosto da Valve pois, não faz sentido comprar um jogo por 200 reais e joga-lo durante 1 hora, o que a maioria dos jogos da Steam fazem..
[00:43] <astroo-> cptjs ve o privado se faz favor
[00:43] <KurtKraut> cptjs, Jogos feitos em ambas são compatíveis com Linux.
[00:43] <KurtKraut> cptjs, O Steam tem mais de 1500 jogos para Linux.
[00:43] <cptjs> OHm
[00:43] <cptjs> Hm'
[00:43] <cptjs> Vou tentar dar um dual boot no meu sistema então. Obrigado
[00:49] <oliverio> cptjs, aqui na minha máquina eu tenho Win e outra distro GNU/Linux :)
[00:50] <cptjs> Entendi
[00:50] <cptjs> Cara
[00:50] <oliverio> cptjs, reparticiona seu HD e instala o Ubuntu na nova partição. Na hora da instalação tem uma opção que o próprio instalador detecta o Win e pergunta se você quer instalar ao lado..
[00:50] <oliverio> OU.. faz a instalação do zero.
[00:50] <cptjs> Sério cara ?
[00:50] <cptjs> Entendi
[00:50] <oliverio> Só te aconselho fazer backup dos seus arquivos antes pra um possível erro que venha a dar
[00:51] <MerliM> cptjs, se tens dados importantes na máquina faça um backup ANTES
[00:51] <MerliM> cuidado
[00:51] <cptjs> Então, eu crio um pendrive bootavel, sem desinstalar meu Windows, instalo o Ubuntu, e ele me dá a opção de partir meu HD e instala-lo ao lado do WindowS?
[00:51] <cptjs> Entendi
[00:51] <oliverio> cptjs, exato.
[00:52] <MerliM> cptjs, no instalador do ubuntu ele detecta e pergunta se queres instalar lado a lado com o windows dai aceita e ele pergunta qual o tamanho da partição para o linux
[00:52] <cptjs> Okay
[00:52] <oliverio> http://www.cleuber.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/install-ubuntu4.jpg
[00:52] <cptjs> Obrigado pela atenção e pela ajuda :)
[00:52] <oliverio> é mais ou menos assim..
[00:53] <oliverio> cuidado pra não escolher a opção de instalar por cima do Windows sem antes fazer o backup :P
[00:53] <oliverio> bom.. vou estudar agora, qlqr coisa vejo depois
[00:53] <oliverio> abraço
[00:55] <MerliM> oliverio, abraços bons estudos
[00:59] <astroo-> ciao
[01:02] <cptjs> Bons estudos !
[01:05] <cptjs> Tchau pessoal, até a próxima.
[01:05] <astroo-> ciao
[01:10] <MerliM> http://m.tecmundo.com.br/video/88765-internautas-desavisados-entram-incrivel-fps-vida-real-video.htm
[01:50] <annakamilla> oi
[01:52] <MerliM> annakamilla, ola
[01:53] <astroo-> ola
[01:53] <annakamilla> meu note foi para o conserto
[01:55] <annakamilla> pensei em trocar de linux
[01:55] <annakamilla> mas a oab só recomenda para tolken o ubuntu
[01:59] <annakamilla> alguém sabe me dizer se a 15.04 está estável ?
[02:04] <annakamilla> 15.10
[02:10] <MerliM> creio que sim
[02:10] <MerliM> pera ai
[02:10] <astroo-> ja foi
[02:10] <MerliM> kkkk
[03:53] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[11:25] <Vico> Bom dia pessoal
[11:32] <Vico> Preciso de uma ajuda
[11:41] <rafael> Bom dia, srs
[11:42] <Vico> Bom dia
[11:43] <Vico> Pessoal instalei o ubunto atraves do pendrive e para iniciar o ubunto eu preciso estar com o pendrive conetado como faco para rodar sem o pendrive?
[11:44] <rafael> Ubuntu*
[11:44] <Vico> sim
[11:45] <rafael> Para rodar sem o pendrive vc instala ele
[11:45] <Vico> eu instalei ele
[11:46] <Vico> configurei pra dar boot pelo pendrive e instalei
[11:47] <Vico> sera que durante a instalacao fiz algo de errado?
[11:49] <elisboa> bom dia a todos
[11:49] <Vico> Bom dia
[11:53] <Vico> Pq nao consigo usar o ubuntu sem estar com o pendrive conectado?
[12:01] <vlm42> vico, vc tem dual boot? Mesmo depois de instalado está bootando no Windows? Chega a aparecer o grub (menu para escolher o OS a ser iniciado)?
[12:02] <Vico> nao tenho dual boot
[12:03] <Vico> eu formatei o notebook e instalei o ubuntu
[12:04] <vlm42> então quando o pendrive não está conectado qual msg aparece na tela? ele diz que não é possível boot pelo hd?
[12:04] <Vico> erro de boot a bios nao esta conectada
[12:05] <Vico> ja configurei o setup para dar boot pelo hd mas continua o erro
[12:08] <rafael> Vico, depois que der boot pelo pendrive vc tem que pedir para instalar o ubuntu
[12:08] <Vico> eu fiz isso, ele pergunta se quer apagar tudo do hd e foi o que eu fiz
[12:10] <rafael> e prossegui a instalação até o fim?
[12:10] <Vico> sim
[12:10] <rafael> Vico: qual é o modelo do seu notebook?
[12:11] <Vico> Acer Aspire 5516
[12:12] <rafael> UEFI ou BIOS?
[12:12] <Vico> BIOS
[12:12] <rafael> Vico: estou vendo aqui que é UEFI
[12:13] <Vico> UEFI?
[12:14] <rafael> mude o UEFI para legacy
[12:14] <rafael> procure a opção no seu UEFI
[12:14] <rafael> e depois instale o ubuntu
[12:14] <Vico> mudo isso no setup?
[12:16] <rafael> Vico: isso
[12:17] <Vico> ok, vou tentar isso. Valeu.
[12:23] <Proteus_> ola
[12:23] <Proteus_> alguem poderia me ajudar?
[12:23] <Proteus_> (po favor)
[12:23] <Proteus_> (por favor)
[12:24] <elisboa> Proteus_: olá, gato
[12:24] <elisboa> quer tc?
[12:24] <Proteus_> quero
[12:24] <Proteus_> de onde voce é?
[12:25] <elisboa> Proteus_: SP Capital e vc?
[12:25] <Proteus_> Cuiaba... MT
[12:25] <Proteus_> conhece?
[12:25] <elisboa> nunca ouvi falar
[12:25] <Proteus_> mato grosso
[12:25] <elisboa> nem grosso nem fino
[12:25] <Proteus_> kk
[12:25] <Proteus_> posso saber teu nome?
[12:28] <rafael> tem bot no canal?
[12:57] <shallwe> bom dia galera
[12:57] <shallwe> pros gamers: Reis dos 0,62%: Ubuntu e Linux Mint são as distribuições mais Populares na Steam
[13:04] <Proteus_> alguem pode me dar uma ajuda sobre ubuntu?
[13:05] <shallwe> Proteus_, bom dia, diga qual sua dúvida
[13:05] <Proteus_> nao consigo ler documentos em PDF. As letras aparecem totalmente desfiguradas...
[13:06] <Proteus_> as palavas nas caixas de dialogo tb
[13:06] <Proteus_> mas tudo o que esá escrito em browsers aparecem sem problema
[13:06] <shallwe> e ele abre o pdf com qual programa?
[13:07] <Proteus_> eu achava que era o programa mas não é
[13:07] <shallwe> vc tem google chrome?
[13:07] <Proteus_> é o que eu uso
[13:07] <elisboa> Proteus_: que navegador está usando?
[13:07] <Proteus_> Crome
[13:07] <elisboa> Proteus_: consegue enviar uma foto da tela pro igmur.com para a gente ver?
[13:07] <shallwe> elisboa, a cara, eu cheguei primeiro kkk, se ele resolver é ponto meu hein
[13:07] <Proteus_> o problema não está no navegador
[13:08] <elisboa> shallwe: à vontade
[13:08] <elisboa> tenho mais o que fazer
[13:08] <shallwe> kkkk
[13:08] <shallwe> Proteus_, tenta mandar uma imagem através dos site http://postimage.org/
[13:09] <elisboa> shallwe: esse eu não conhecia
[13:09] <shallwe> elisboa, eu sempre uso ele, tem até classificação adulta :)
[13:09] <Proteus_> as letras.... palavras... aparecem desfiguradas.... mas só em caixas de diálogos ou arquivos do tipo PDF..
[13:09] <shallwe> mas com é org, dou prioridade
[13:10] <shallwe> Proteus_, certo, mas tira um printscreen e nos manda no link http://postimage.org/, consegues?
[13:10] <Proteus_> PERAI
[13:10] <elisboa> massa
[13:10] <shallwe> elisboa, só não descobri como ver as fotos postadas na sessão 18+ kkk, mas ta bom
[13:13] <Proteus_> vou ter que fazer cadastro na pagina
[13:13] <shallwe> não
[13:13] <shallwe> Proteus_, só faz upload e nos passa o link
[13:15] <Proteus_> mas nao to conseguindo..... eu seleciono o arquivo mas o arquivo nao aparece para enviar
[13:15] <Proteus_> entende?
[13:15] <shallwe> Proteus_, estranho pois é padrão
[13:15] <shallwe> então seu ubuntu ta com problemas
[13:15] <shallwe> http://imgur.com/
[13:16] <shallwe> tenta esse então
[13:17] <Proteus_> um momento
[13:22] <Proteus_> fiz o drag and drop na imgur...
[13:23] <shallwe> blz e o link?
[13:23] <Proteus_> tem como eu te mandar de outra forma? nao forneceu o link
[13:23] <Proteus_> pode ser por whats?
[13:23] <shallwe> muito estranho, esse ubuntu é novo? a instalação?
[13:24] <Proteus_> é a ultima versão
[13:24] <Proteus_> 1.10
[13:24] <Proteus_> 15.10
[13:24] <shallwe> você usa o google chrome ou firefox?
[13:24] <Proteus_> o navgador não é importante
[13:24] <Proteus_> todos funcionam bem
[13:25] <shallwe> mas pra vc não estar conseguindo fazer um simples upload acho estranho
[13:25] <Proteus_> eu uso o Crome no momento
[13:25] <shallwe> também estou usando ele
[13:25] <Proteus_> acredite.... nao estou conseguindo
[13:25] <shallwe> e nem no google chrome o pdf abre certo?
[13:26] <Proteus_> no navegador o pdf abre sem problemas.... posso te mandar por email?
[13:26] <shallwe> eu ajudo por aqui amigo, desculpe não posso mandar e-mail
[13:26] <shallwe> mas você concorda comigo se no navegador abre normal e no programa não, deve ser o programa?
[13:27] <Proteus_> nao porque as caixas de diálogo do proprio ubuntu ambem estão com esse problema
[13:27] <shallwe> a bom então temos mais um detalhe, não só o pdf
[13:27] <Proteus_> foi como disse no inicio
[13:28] <shallwe> pensei que as caixas de diálogos eram do pdf
[13:28] <Proteus_> algumas imagens tb aparecem embaralhadas
[13:28] <shallwe> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras já tentou instalar?
[13:28] <Proteus_> nao
[13:28] <shallwe> mas como é nos diálogos acho que não vai resolver muita coisa
[13:28] <shallwe> isso instala fontes também
[13:28] <shallwe> java etc
[13:29] <Proteus_> ja mudei a fonte varias vezes, mas o problema persiste
[13:29] <shallwe> o bom mesmo era tentar nos mandar uma imagem
[13:29] <Proteus_> pode ser por whats?
[13:29] <shallwe> coloca ai no google "imagem upload" e ve se consegue fazer em alguem
[13:29] <shallwe> algum
[13:29] <shallwe> olha vai ser difícil alguém te passar contato aqui, entendo que não funciona, mas a gente tenta ajudar como pode por aqui
[13:30] <shallwe> algum site você tem que conseguir enviar as fotos
[13:30] <shallwe> a não ser que você esteja com problemas de upload
[13:34] <Proteus_> coloquei no google +
[13:35] <Proteus_> estou tendo muito problemas para fazer upload
[13:35] <shallwe> blz manda o link ai
[13:35] <Proteus_> minha conta é Ervin Buck
[13:35] <Proteus_> pode tentar?
[13:35] <shallwe> não tem compartilhar a foto?
[13:36] <shallwe> esse problema de upload você sempre teve ele?
[13:37] <Proteus_> https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNlysIqd6T4rEQ2CKViw7nT7Qh8WNsfh4_hqQBD
[13:38] <Proteus_> é esse o link da foto
[13:38] <Proteus_> tente acessar
[13:38] <shallwe> diz q não existe
[13:38] <Proteus_> meu pai eterno !!!!
[13:39] <Proteus_> https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipN0Syc4MrUgJy2xjcMepNtkdTitr4HZZCXZzFYF
[13:39] <shallwe> Proteus_, você precisa resolver isso de upload tb, é da sua internet?
[13:39] <Proteus_> tenta esse só pra ver se abre
[13:39] <shallwe> também não
[13:39] <Proteus_> faz assim....
[13:40] <Proteus_> tenta entrar no google photos
[13:40] <Proteus_> https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_
[13:40] <shallwe> o link gerado é mais ou menos assim "https://goo.gl/photos/NTxtLBT2X5J6g"
[13:40] <shallwe> quando vc compartilha a foto com link
[13:41] <Proteus_> https://photos.google.com/search
[13:41] <Proteus_> dai procure pela minha conta Ervin Buck
[13:42] <Proteus_> acabei de compartilhar ela no google +
[13:42] <Proteus_> tente esse endereço agora https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNlysIqd6T4rEQ2CKViw7nT7Qh8WNsfh4_hqQBD
[13:43] <shallwe> Proteus_, vc está compartilhando errado eu acho, fiz um link pra ti
[13:43] <shallwe> http://postimg.org/image/468vsd7jz/
[13:43] <shallwe> acessei lá
[13:43] <Proteus_> conseguiu ver?
[13:43] <shallwe> Proteus_, vc instalou o ubuntu agora?
[13:44] <Proteus_> ontem
[13:44] <Proteus_> mas fui notar o problema hoje
[13:44] <shallwe> instalou algum drive proprietário?
[13:44] <Proteus_> na versão anterior eu tava tendo problema só nas caixas de dialogo mas lia arquivos pdf normalmente
[13:45] <Proteus_> eu atualizei atraves de uma opção que apareceu "deseja atualizar para a versão 15.10?"
[13:45] <shallwe> isso parece problema de vídeo, muito estranho, você antes estava com o 15.04?
[13:45] <Proteus_> sim
[13:46] <shallwe> já vi algo assim mas faz muito tempo
[13:46] <shallwe> qual seu hardware?
[13:46] <Proteus_> vc conseguiu ver a imagem que te enviei?
[13:46] <shallwe> sim eu te mandei o link
[13:46] <shallwe> http://postimg.org/image/468vsd7jz/
[13:46] <Proteus_> meu é um IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo
[13:47] <Proteus_> Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2
[13:47] <Proteus_> Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[13:49] <shallwe> e já tentou instalar o drive proprietário da sua placa de vídeo?
[13:49] <Proteus_> eu acho que a placa gráfica dele é um pangaré
[13:49] <shallwe> deve ser uma intel
[13:49] <Proteus_> o que seria um drive proprietário?
[13:49] <shallwe> sabe ali na busca em cima no botao do ubuntu?
[13:49] <Proteus_> sei
[13:50] <shallwe> digita "drive" e vai aparecer um ícone de uma placa de circuito impresso verde
[13:50] <shallwe> abre e espera ele procurar por algo
[13:50] <Proteus_> sim .... e dai?
[13:50] <shallwe> as vezes tem drivers proprietários pra você instalar, deve resolver algumas coisas
[13:51] <shallwe> como seu pc é meio antigo o bom seria o ubuntu 14.04
[13:51] <shallwe> ele deve ser bem mais compatível
[13:51] <Proteus_> apareceram apenas "drivers adicionais" e "system testing"
[13:52] <shallwe> drivers adicionais
[13:52] <M3r|iM> oi pessoal que tá pegando
[13:53] <shallwe> M3r|iM, bom dia
[13:53] <shallwe> eu não to pegando nada e ninguem hoje
[13:53] <Proteus_> Merlin.... to tendo problemas
[13:53] <MerliM> bom dia!!!!
[13:53] <MerliM> Wht
[13:53] <shallwe> Proteus_, achou algum drive adicional?
[13:53] <Proteus_> nenhum
[13:53] <shallwe> MerliM, http://postimg.org/image/468vsd7jz/ esse é o problema do Proteus_
[13:54] <shallwe> as letras de algumas coisas, eu acho que o hardware dele é meio antigo pro ubuntu 15.10
[13:54] <Proteus_> na caixa de dialogo aparece escrito "nenhum drive proprietario está em uso"
[13:54] <shallwe> Proteus_, pois é não tem então
[13:54] <shallwe> deixa eu ver uma coisa
[13:56] <MerliM> Proteus_, se tu é comunista ou nao
[13:56] <MerliM> ahuahuhauhauha
[13:56] <MerliM> brincando o leitor de PDF né
[13:57] <Proteus_> kkkkkk
[13:57] <Proteus_> muito pelo contrario
[13:57] <Proteus_> mas nao é problema no leitor
[13:57] <shallwe> Proteus_, é o IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo M52?
[13:57] <Proteus_> porque ja testei outro
[13:57] <Proteus_> perai
[13:57] <MerliM> testou outro leitor qual???
[13:57] <shallwe> ele usa a intel 945G
[13:58] <Proteus_> M55
[13:58] <MerliM> normal mesmo driver intel
[13:58] <MerliM> que os chipset usam
[13:58] <Proteus_> 965Q x86
[13:58] <Proteus_> intel 965Q x86
[13:58] <MerliM> o problema é somente em pdf ou tem em relação a video também imagens ????
[13:58] <MerliM> roda de boa
[13:58] <Proteus_> video do youtube normal
[13:59] <Proteus_> videos do computador normal tb
[13:59] <MerliM> então nao é driver de video man
[13:59] <MerliM> video do tube é flash nem digo nada
[13:59] <Proteus_> mas algumas imagens aparecem embaralhadas tb
[14:00] <MerliM> porem do pc nao usa compressores então se fosse driver de video dava galho
[14:00] <Proteus_> nas caixas de dialogo
[14:00] <shallwe> MerliM, video do youtube é html5
[14:00] <shallwe> flash já morreu
[14:00] <MerliM> shallwe, ainda usam flash nao descontinuou nao man
[14:00] <shallwe> usar usam, mas não no youtube :)
[14:01] <shallwe> mas mesmo assim se está funcionando outras coisas não deve ser mesmo o vídeo
[14:01] <Proteus_> Rodrigo e Leo..... como faço para entrar em contato com voces mais tarde?
[14:01] <MerliM> Proteus_, da na comand line isso -> apt-cache search evince
[14:01] <MerliM> e retorna a saida aqui pra mim
[14:01] <Proteus_> perai
[14:02] <Proteus_> adwaita-icon-theme - default icon theme of GNOME (small subset) libevince-dev - Document (PostScript, PDF) rendering library - development files libgxps2 - handling and rendering XPS documents (library) evince - Visualizador de documento (Postscript, PDF) evince-common - Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer - common files evince-dbg - Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer - debugging symbols gir1.2-evince-3.0 - GObject introspection d
[14:04] <Proteus_> Merlin..... como faço para entrar em contato contigo outras horas?
[14:04] <Proteus_> Shallwe.... como faço para entrar em contato contigo outras horas?
[14:04] <shallwe> Proteus_, estamos sempre por aqui
[14:04] <shallwe> alguem vai tentar te ajudar
[14:05] <shallwe> vou lá almoçar depois eu volto e vejo alguma coisa mais pra vc, entra mais tarde :)
[14:05] <MerliM> ja volto man terminar de arrumar o quarto aqui
[14:05] <shallwe> MerliM, xii quarto de homem, não termina de arrumar hoje
[14:06] <MerliM> Proteus_, sempre estou aqui
[14:06] <MerliM> shallwe, se fosse o carro ja tava brilhando
[14:06] <Proteus_> eu vou almoçar.... será que vai dar timeout aqui pra mim?
[14:06] <MerliM> desde as 8 da manha mano
[14:06] <shallwe> :)
[14:06] <shallwe> Proteus_, depois vc entra de novo
[14:06] <MerliM> Proteus_, instala o evince-common
[14:06] <Proteus_> ok.... vou nessa
[14:06] <MerliM> qual outro visualizador vc ja tentou usar
[14:06] <Proteus_> voces são de onde?
[14:07] <MerliM> Maranhão aqui das pedrinhas onde cabeça de maluco rola quando tem rebeliao e a gente come os figadossss dos Alemão ahuahuah
[14:07] <shallwe> MerliM, maranhão é legal, não é a terra de um deputado?
[14:08] <Proteus_> tentei usar o muPDF para visualizar... mas deu na mesma
[14:08] <shallwe> color?
[14:08] <Proteus_> color é de Alagoas
[14:08] <shallwe> sim, mas tinha alguma coisa ai kkk mas é off topic deixa pra la
[14:09] <Proteus_> merlin tentei usar o muPDF para visualizar... mas deu na mesma
[14:09] <Proteus_> bom gente.... vou nessa
[14:09] <shallwe> MerliM, mas quando ele usa no navegador google chorme da certo
[14:09] <shallwe> Proteus_, tranquilo até mais
[14:09] <Proteus_> eu leio normalmente em qualquer navegador....
[14:09] <Proteus_> nenhum problema aparece
[14:10] <Proteus_> só as caixinhas de dialogo e até agora PDF
[14:10] <Proteus_> SÓ
[14:10] <shallwe> Proteus_, depois se tiver tempo
[14:10] <shallwe> baixa a iso do 14.04 e roda na live
[14:10] <shallwe> só pra ver se vc terá esse problema
[14:10] <Proteus_> MAS 14.04 NÃO TEM MAIS SUPORTE
[14:10] <Proteus_> né?
[14:10] <shallwe> claro que tem
[14:10] <shallwe> a 14.10 que não tem
[14:10] <shallwe> 14.04 é LTS é diferente
[14:11] <Proteus_> ok.... almoço... depois a gente se fala
[14:11] <shallwe> as "oficiais" são as 14.04 e a 16.04, o resto teoricamente seriam de teste
[14:11] <shallwe> blz
[14:11] <rafael> MerliM: São Luís?
[14:17] <MerliM> rafael, sim
[14:17] <MerliM> bairro - Turu
[14:17] <MerliM> es daqui
[14:17] <MerliM> tambem
[14:18] <MerliM> shallwe, é a terra de um coronel ex-ṕresidente já passou por todos os cargos politicos
[14:18] <MerliM> recentemente afastado pq será ahuahuahahu
[14:19] <MerliM> Proteus_, háaa pega normal em navegador é a renderizacao do cliente pdf
[14:19] <MerliM> no teu diretorio home tira o ocultar arquivos e pastas e manda buscar por evince
[14:19] <MerliM> tudo que achar dele apaga
[14:19] <MerliM> só do evince
[14:19] <MerliM> e depois tenta novamente
[14:23] <rafael> MerliM, talvez seja
[14:23] <rafael> hehe
[14:26] <MerliM> rafael, tá
[14:28] <edu141415> boa tarde
[14:28] <edu141415> Na vesão que uso ubuntu 14.10 fica dando erro no dpkg ao tentar instalar o gnome.
[14:29] <edu141415> desculpe na versão 15.10
[14:30] <MerliM> qual erro posta aqui por favor se muito grande usa pastebin
[14:31] <edu141415> dpkg was interrupted pedindo para usar sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:31] <edu141415> mais tambem da erro ao tentar usar sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:31] <hggdh> edu141415: bem, que tal seguir a recomendação?
[14:31] <edu141415> sou novo estou tentando fazer sozinho
[14:31] <edu141415> me passe o link por favor
[14:32] <edu141415> vou almoçar
[14:32] <hggdh> isto ocorre/pode ocorrer quanto dpkg é interrompido (reboot, cancelamento do terminal, cancelamento do dpkg.
[14:32] <edu141415> eu interrompi ele pois ele tinha ficado preso em um processo time out
[14:33] <hggdh> e a solução é a dada pela mensagem.
[14:33] <edu141415> tipo eu cansei de esperar
[14:33] <edu141415> ai apertei cntr + C
[14:33] <rafael> edu141415: tenta sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[14:33] <hggdh> edu141415: não importa, realmente, *como* dpkg foi interrompido.
[14:33] <edu141415> ta vou tentar
[14:34] <edu141415> estou anotando os comandos para gravar, já peguei as manhas do editor de texto vi
[14:34] <hggdh> rafael: a solução é a dada na mensagem. Qualquer outra ação é perda de tempo *agora*.
[14:34] <MerliM> so deletar o lock realmente tem na mensagem
[14:34] <edu141415> minha intenção é instalar a ultima versão estavel do ubuntu com mysql server ultima versão e migrar o banco dados
[14:34] <hggdh> ...
[14:36] <edu141415> Errors were encountered while processing: cgmanager systemd-shim indicator-datetime ynity-control-center ubuntu-desktop indicator-bluetooth
[14:36] <edu141415> vou almoçar, quando voltar leio as mensagens não se apagam né?
[14:36] <hggdh> edu141415: coloque TODA a saída do comando em um pastebin, e de-nos o link
[14:36] <edu141415> é que o ubunto esta em uma vmware pro 12
[14:36] <hggdh> NÃO coloque as mensagens directamente aqui
[14:37] <edu141415> pode ser print?
[14:37] <hggdh> não
[14:37] <edu141415> não tem como copiar os erros da vmware
[14:37] <MerliM> pode ser um print via pastebin legivel
[14:37] <edu141415> ok
[14:37] <hggdh> sudo dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 > erros.dpkg
[14:38] <edu141415> ta
[14:38] <hggdh> e depois copie o erros.dpkg para fora do sistema, pastebin it
[14:40] <rafael> hggdh: tem pastebin na linha de comando
[14:41] <MerliM> rafael, tinha um script porem fui no site e nao consegui baixar
[14:42] <MerliM> edu141415, qual versao desse butun
[14:43] <rafael> cat ~/some_file.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:43] <rafael> pronto
[14:43] <rafael> resolvido
[14:45] <MerliM> vlws lol
[15:06] <oliverio> não conhecia esse termbin
[15:06] <oliverio> legal, viu :)
[15:10] <hggdh> não existe na instalação padrão
[15:11] <hggdh> oh
[15:11] <hggdh> nao ntei o nc no início
[15:11] <MerliM> hggdh, queeeeeeee terminar de comer mano
[15:11] <hggdh> MerliM: é manhã qui...
[15:11] <hggdh> aqui
[15:17] <shallwe> gente quem cuida do site do ubuntu-br.org?
[15:18] <shallwe> se precisarem de ajudar pra alterar lá pro ubuntu 15.10 eu posso tentar ajudar
[15:19] <hggdh> shallwe: o problema não é ignorancia do que fazer, é falta de acesso
[15:20] <hggdh> (aliada ao fato de quem tem acesso ou sumiu-se, ou não está interessado)
[15:20] <shallwe> hggdh, a bom
[15:21] <shallwe> pena pois é um dominio já conhecido e sempre cai lá nas pesquisas quando se coloca ubuntu no google
[15:22] <rubrk> qual minimo para instalação ubuntu 15.10 32
[15:22] <shallwe> rubrk, depende, seria pra vc? qual hardware vc tem?
[15:23] <rubrk> 1 gb ram amd II atualmente winxp
[15:23] <hggdh> pois... eu tentei por algum tempo. Sacudi muito vespeiro, e turvei muita água. Finalmente, achei um responsável vivo, que disse-me que iria cuidar das acções necessárias.
[15:24] <hggdh> e nada. Então coloquei o novo PvNotice no canal, e desisti.
[15:24] <shallwe> hggdh, é sei como é, é como dizem "não adianta ficar dando murro em ponta de faca", jeito é esperar
[15:25] <rubrk> qual seria melhor, só para internet atual?
[15:25] <shallwe> rubrk, eu aconselho o ubuntu 14.04
[15:25] <hggdh> rubrk: com 1GB de memória principal eu usaria *ou* o Lubuntu *ou* o Xubuntu. Nunca o Ubuntu.
[15:25] <hggdh> e na 14.04, como disse, acima, o shallwe
[15:26] <shallwe> é um amd2 né? esse processador é forte é bom, pena é a ram
[15:26] <shallwe> rubrk, amd athlon ii 2 ?
[15:30] <shallwe> hggdh, interessante o dominio ubuntu-br.org é registrado direto pela Canonical
[15:31] <elisboa> sim, é
[15:31] <rafaelsoaresbr> rubrk, Xubuntu, Lubuntu e Ubuntu-
[15:31] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ubuntu-MATE*
[15:31] <rafaelsoaresbr> são boas opções
[15:33] <shallwe> rubrk, é se achar pesado o ubuntu 14.04 tem estas outras opções. Nem tudo depende da ram, mas sim do processador se é muito antigo etc
[15:33] <hggdh> shallwe: sim, a Canonical mantem vários domínios ligados ao Ubuntu. No caso, ubuntu-br.com é um vhost em um servidor da Canonical
[15:33] <shallwe> hggdh, pois é, foi o que pensei
[15:35] <shallwe> eu tenho essa mania de tudo olhar direto no oficial, geralmente acompanho tudo pelo ubuntu.com mesmo, mas tem muita gente que sempre tenta achar sites brasileiros claro, até por estarem em português
[15:35] <MerliM> pronto terminei de arrumar meu quarto tá com a coxa da cama roseoo que mamae me deu a
[15:35] <MerliM> ahuahhuahhu
[15:35] <shallwe> MerliM, q coisa linda :) a minha vou arrumar quando eu for dormir
[15:36] <shallwe> se a patroa não arruma pq eu tenho né kkk
[15:37] <hggdh> MerliM: colcha
[15:37] <MerliM> Oxiii :D fofo smackss
[15:37] <MerliM> hggdh, vlwss *--* tu é fofo tb
[15:37] <hggdh> MerliM: tu és
[15:38] <MerliM> kkk
[15:44] <shallwe> na teoria pra eu instalar o unity no ubuntu com gnome só precisaria instalar o unity né?
[15:44] <shallwe> ubuntu-desktop
[15:45] <MerliM> yeap
[15:45] <shallwe> não gosto muito de ficar com o outro desktop atrelado, mas como é o gnome 3 então acho que não tem muito problema
[15:46] <shallwe> melhor do que reinstalar tudo de novo kkk
[15:46] <rafaelsoaresbr> shallwe, é pois os programas são quase o mesmo
[15:46] <MerliM> instala gnome-shell somente
[15:46] <MerliM> qunto mais clean mior
[15:46] <shallwe> MerliM, eu estou usando o gnome-shell
[15:46] <shallwe> na realidade eu instalei o ubuntu gnome 15.10
[15:46] <rafaelsoaresbr> shallwe, agora tem que ver se vai dar algum conflito de pacotes.
[15:47] <shallwe> vou testar, qualquer coisa que dê errado acho que é só tirar o ubuntu-desktop de novo
[15:47] <shallwe> no último caso tenho tudo na nuvem, dropbox ai só instalo de novo
[15:48] <rafaelsoaresbr> nada como a nuvem rs
[15:48] <shallwe> é verdade, tenho todos meus trabalhos lá é uma mão na roda, uso em qualquer lugar
[15:48] <hggdh> normalmente, para instalar-se um ambiente usa-se o pacote <ambiente>-desktop
[15:48] <shallwe> hggdh, é bem lembrado :)
[15:49] <rubrk> valeu galera pelo suporte
[15:49] <shallwe> mas um kubuntu com ubuntu fica uma nhaca kkkk
[15:49] <hggdh> como gnome-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, etc
[15:49] <shallwe> rubrk, tranquilo :)
[15:49] <hggdh> shallwe: não, não fica. Apenas ocupa mais espaço
[15:50] <shallwe> hggdh, vou testar, uma vez fiz algo que ficou uma nhaca, mas não lembro o que era
[15:50] <hggdh> (no meu laptop tenho Ubuntu, Gnome, xubuntu, e kubuntu)
[15:50] <shallwe> mas não deve ter sido isso então
[15:50] <hggdh> no login pode-se escolher o ambiente
[15:51] <neskau> o que é 'ESXi 5 Evaluation Mode ' ?
[15:51] <shallwe> ah ta foi isso então a muuito tempo eu devo ter instalado o plasma 5 que conflitou com o 4 e deu uma nhaca brava, mas não tinha nada a ver com o desktop
[15:52] <MerliM> hggdh, gostei de ve o hggdh socialvel parabens
[15:52] <MerliM> :D
[15:52] <hggdh> neskau: ESXi é uma opçãp do VMWare. Evaluaiton mode significa que o pacote deve ter limitações impostas
[15:52] <MerliM> shallwe, por isso uso so o awesome WM
[15:53] <neskau> [hggdh]: mas não é o VMWare?
[15:53] <hggdh> MerliM: sou sociável. É só não cutucar com vara curta :-)
[15:53] <hggdh> neskau: é *uma* das opções de VMWare.
[15:54] <shallwe> hggdh, vc é o homem do debian developer que tem o twitter?
[15:54] <hggdh> ??
[15:54] <shallwe> a ta não deve ser vc kkk achei estranho
[15:54] <hggdh> unaparseable sentence
[15:54] <shallwe> feito vamos fazer um logout
[15:55] <MerliM> hggdh, saca boot usando ubuntu num mac book air
[15:55] <MerliM> to querendo testar um aqui parado
[15:55] <hggdh> MerliM: (in)felizmente, jamais tive um Mac
[15:56] <MerliM> queria ter um mac mano to com do cliente ele nunca veio buscar dai quero brincar
[15:56] <hggdh> (limitações filosíficas, não aceito a Apple expandir o freeBSD e nada devolver à comunidade)
[15:56] <MerliM> ve se roda suave
[15:57] <MerliM> hggdh, Opa concordo plena e totalmente com você
[15:57] <hggdh> tinham pessoas no Ubuntu Engineering usando Mac com Ubuntu
[15:57] <MerliM> porém a licença deles permite esse tipo de pratica né tenso
[15:57] <MerliM> hggdh, Linus usa parece o Air pois diz que nao incomoda, ele ODEIA ruido
[15:57] <MerliM> hauhuahua
[15:58] <hggdh> MerliM: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[15:59] <MerliM> thnks tava lendo entendi nada
[16:00] <hggdh> alguns no UE usavam MacOS, mas tiveram alguns problemas com parte do grupo: um Ubuntu developer deve usar Ubuntu (chama-se a isto "eating your dog food")
[16:00] <MerliM> hggdh, sera que aceita install lado a lado
[16:00] <hggdh> assim como um RH developer deve usar Fedora, or RH desktop
[16:01] <hggdh> MerliM: não sei. Acho que sim, mas não posso confirmar.
[16:01] <MerliM> hggdh, concordo plenamente
[16:01] <MerliM> hggdh, seria tipo um piloto de formula 1 da ferrari usar coisas da mercedes ahauhauhuhuah
[16:01] <MerliM> puts
[16:02] <hggdh> heh. Por aí
[16:03] <edenc> http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f104/ttodd0450/PepsiGuyDrinkingCoke.jpg
[16:03] <edenc> algo assim
[16:04] <edenc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Riu6SOpks
[16:04] <edenc> ou assim
[16:04] <MerliM> kkkkkk
[16:05] <MerliM> Tinha um contrato que nenhum empregado da coca-cola poderia sequer ser visto consumindo qualquer produto que nao fosse da marca
[16:05] <edenc> MerliM: no Brasil é ilegal fazer esse tipo de exigência
[16:07] <MerliM> tenho uma amiga q trampou no juridico de la e me disse que rolava isso
[16:08] <edenc> MerliM: e você acha que a coca-cola lucra milhões vendendo o alimento mais letal do planeta seguindo as regras?
[16:08] <edenc> kkkk
[16:10] <shallwe> funcionar funcionou o ubuntu-desktop mas ainda dá alguns erros no ubuntu 15.10 instalando desta maneira
[16:10] <shallwe> estou sem plano de fundo kkk tudo preto
[16:11] <shallwe> mas vi que é problema no xorg mais certamente na radeon que não está 100% ainda com o novo ubuntu
[16:11] <edenc> hggdh: apesar que eu não concordo com a exigência
[16:12] <edenc> hggdh: tem vários motivos pelo qual a pessoa pode usar outro sistema sem implicar que o sistema no qual ele tá trabalhando é ruim
[16:13] <Ferrhcp> Galera, boa tarde
[16:13] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, boa tarde
[16:13] <Ferrhcp> é possivel tirar o lancador?
[16:13] <shallwe> tirar a tecla de atalho?
[16:13] <Ferrhcp> não.. não quero mais o lancador
[16:14] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, bom é só não clicar nele kkk, mas acho que não, não sei essa eu passo
[16:14] <MerliM> edenc, toda certeza que nao
[16:15] <edenc> Por exemplo, eu vou mudar pra red hat porque trabalho na IBM e tem uma série de compliances que eu preciso acatar
[16:15] <edenc> mas eu gostaria de continuar contribuindo com o ubuntu porque é o que eu preferiria estar usando
[16:16] <MerliM> edenc, concordo sobre a questao de usar outro sistema sem que seja o de desenvolvimento ou trabalho, creio que isso é mais por marketing
tão facil assim/
[16:16] <Ferrhcp> ?
[16:16] <Ferrhcp> rs
[16:16] <edenc> Mas é um marketing questionável
[16:16] <MerliM> tipo tu lanca um produto tu vende ele dizendo que é o melhor porem vc usa o do concorrente ????w
[16:16] <MerliM> COMO assim
[16:16] <edenc> Não sei se é essa a proposta do Ubuntu e do software livre, de uma forma geral
[16:16] <MerliM> ex: A Microsoft metendo pau no Opensource e usando OpenBSD nos servidores do Hotmail
[16:16] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, eu acho que até tem como tirar mas deve quebrar alguma coisa, melhor deixar ele ali quieto, você colocou algum outro menu ou simplesmente quer tirar ele?
[16:16] <MerliM> O.o
[16:17] <MerliM> e vendendo windows Server como blidado
[16:17] <MerliM> blindado
[16:17] <edenc> MerliM: a microsoft não faz mais isso porque ela sabe que é uma estratégia ruim
[16:17] <MerliM> edenc, não posso afirmar que essa não é a proposta do softlivre, porem as marcas por trás exigem e empregado que gosta de seu emprego obedece
[16:18] <MerliM> Red Hat - Cannonical etc
[16:18] <MerliM> Ferrhcp, instala o tweak-tool
[16:20] <Ferrhcp> instalei o docky que esteticamente é muito mais agradavel
[16:20] <edenc> MerliM: além disso os compile farms do windows são todos linux
[16:22] <MerliM> edenc, entendo
[16:27] <shallwe> galera, o qual o app padrão de vocês no ubuntu pro calendário?
[16:27] <edenc> org-mode hue
[16:27] <shallwe> o meu está o evolution mas é pq tenho gnome no outro desktop o.O
[16:27] <edenc> MerliM: o ubuntu e o windows podem ser usados com propósitos bem distintos
[16:27] <elisboa> edenc: e com propósitos simlares também :3
[16:27] <MerliM> edenc, sim
[16:28] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, conheço é bem legal mesmo
[16:28] <Ferrhcp> ficou show
[16:28] <shallwe> mas aí o lançador fica embaixo junto não?
[16:29] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, estou instalando aqui pra experimentar, é uma boa dica
[16:30] <shallwe> gosto de pensar que meu ubuntu ta com cara de mac :) global menu e tudo mais
[16:30] <shallwe> me faz sentir mais rico :)
[16:30] <Ferrhcp> O lançador permanece a esquerda o docky fica abaixo
[16:30] <Ferrhcp> ai o lançador deixa de ser necessário
[16:31] <Ferrhcp> na minha opnião e fica feio
[16:31] <MerliM> edenc, nao discuto a usabilidade em si, estou vendo sob outro angulo
[16:31] <edenc> MerliM: por exemplo, eu jogo starcraft, mesmo não concordando com a estratégia da blizzard de fazer releases pra mac osx e windows apenas
[16:31] <edenc> E não estou disposto a abrir mão disso, é uma decisão pessoal. Ao mesmo tempo, quero contribuir com o Ubuntu sem ter que ficar mantendo uma infra-estrutura específica que seja considerada "usar ubuntu" só pra contribuir
[16:31] <edenc> Software livre é baseado nisso: as pessoas tem a liberdade de usar ou não usar o que quiserem e contribuir ou não contribuir da forma que quiserem também.
[16:31] <MerliM> pega mal um desenvolver OpenSource com um desk de producao rodando windows
[16:31] <MerliM> na minha humilde opiniao
[16:32] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, a ta entendi verdade, acabei de comprovar kkk não tem pq a barra continuar do lado se vc já tem embaixo
[16:33] <MerliM> edenc, caro amigo sei q liberdade que o soft lhe da assim como a licença permite, não estou tratando sob esse aspecto, to dizendo que Trabalha pra Red Hat -> usa Fedora bem por ai, pode ser ate questão de se familiarizar com a distro e seu comportamento diario, nao significa que tenha que ter somente ela instalada
[16:34] <edenc> MerliM: mas o fedora é red hat :P
[16:34] <edenc> MerliM: pega mal se você fizer uma avaliação baseada num conceito que até a microsoft, uma das dinossauras da computação reconhecem que é improdutivo
[16:35] <Ferrhcp> Shallwe, to lendo aqui como fazer
[16:35] <edenc> Imagina se o pessoal do debian pensasse assim
[16:35] <edenc> Aí o Ubuntu morria
[16:35] <edenc> :P
[16:35] <Ferrhcp> não consegui como o tweeks
[16:35] <edenc> E morria o Kali junto
[16:35] <MerliM> edenc, tá errada sua analogia Ubuntu - deriva diretamente do Debian
[16:35] <MerliM> inclusive no inicio os repositorios eram debian
[16:36] <shallwe> blz vou ver aqui, enquanto o quebra pau continua aí em cima kkk
[16:36] <edenc> Ué, é nisso que a minha afirmação é baseada
[16:36] <Ferrhcp> é normal acontecer rs?
[16:36] <MerliM> duvido os desenvolv do Debian no circulo interno aceitarem alguem com Fedora isso que to falando
[16:36] <shallwe> claro é um quebra pau construtivo
[16:36] <MerliM> é questão quase filosofica
[16:36] <Ferrhcp> parece eu defendendo SL aqui na sala do trabalho
[16:36] <edenc> MerliM: aceitam
[16:36] <MerliM> cada um com seu osso
[16:36] <MerliM> cita? 1
[16:36] <edenc> MerliM: eu
[16:37] <edenc> Já fui mantenedor de diversos pacotes debian e não tem esse tipo de coisa
[16:37] <MerliM> contribuir é uma coisa mano to falando desenvolvedor direto aquele que toma as decisoes dos pacotes
[16:37] <MerliM> dos ports
[16:37] <edenc> Eu
[16:37] <MerliM> sacou contribuir qlqr um pode, ta bom calei aqui
[16:37] <edenc> O Daniel Ruoso
[16:37] <edenc> etc.
[16:37] <edenc> Inclusive, o Daniel usava windows na época que era mais ativo no Debian, rs
[16:37] <edenc> Porque é uma tremenda bobagem recusar um desenvolvedor baseado no sistema que ele usa
[16:38] <MerliM> edenc, que bom mano pq internamente nao acompanho a lista mais ja rolou rumores que alguns nao se entendiam justamente por questao filosofica e de opiniao
[16:38] <MerliM> se ta as maravailhas que bom :D
[16:38] <MerliM> melhor pro movimenot
[16:38] <edenc> O que é uma pena, porque é uma bobagem tremenda
[16:38] <MerliM> tb acho
[16:38] <edenc> Isso é lógica corporativista
[16:38] <edenc> E ultrapassada
[16:39] <edenc> Eventualmente, o mundo vai se tocar que tem um jeito melhor de enxegar
[16:39] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, uma maneira seria escolher esconder ele
[16:39] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, tem o unity-tweak-tool
[16:40] <shallwe> lá tem mais opções que você pode fazer com o unity
[16:40] <shallwe> só instalar
[16:40] <shallwe> sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[16:41] <edenc> A Microsoft suporta linux no Azure, rs
[16:42] <MerliM> edenc, vai defender isso pra M$ mano que ganha milhoes com um sistema proprietário ahuahuaha
[16:43] <Ferrhcp> Insteli
[16:43] <Ferrhcp> mas não da para sumir com o lançador
[16:43] <edenc> MerliM: a microsoft já aceitou isso
[16:43] <Ferrhcp> da para auto-ocultar
A Microsoft suporta linux no Azure, rs [14:41]
[16:43] <MerliM> edenc, uhumm conte-me mais
[16:43] <MerliM> e ai mano ???
[16:43] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, sim, isso já dava pra fazer sem a ferramenta, mas fiz e ficou bom
[16:43] <edenc> Se eles seguissem essa lógica eles teriam que não colocar linux né?
[16:43] <MerliM> Quem aqui usa azure levanta a mão???
[16:44] <edenc> Aqui não
[16:44] <edenc> (além de mim, rs)
[16:44] <edenc> quer dizer, vai saber
[16:44] <edenc> aposto que deve ter alguém além de mim
[16:44] <MerliM> porque usar isso
[16:44] <edenc> Porque o cliente já tinha infra lá
[16:44] <MerliM> em que ele seria uma opçao melhor do que outras ???
[16:44] <MerliM> háaaa tá
[16:45] <edenc> Porque não mudar o software da Voyager pra Fortran?
[16:45] <MerliM> como diz Richard Stallman não confio em meus dados fora de meus dominios e ollhos
[16:45] <edenc> quer dizer, de Fortran pra Ruby?
[16:45] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, consegui instalar o driver da nvidia
[16:45] <MerliM> com relação a nuvens privadas
[16:45] <edenc> MerliM: e você tá falando no IRC, que roteia o que você fala pruma nuvem privada
[16:45] <shallwe> eloi_carneiro, maravilha, lançaram algo novo ou fez alguma gambiarra?
[16:46] <edenc> (na freenode, no caso)
[16:46] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, usei o synaptic, e instalei a versão 352 updates
[16:46] <MerliM> to falando as palavras do richard nao armazeno meus dados no IRC
[16:46] <edenc> o que você fala não é seu?
[16:46] <MerliM> as palavras podem ficar a vontade
[16:46] <edenc> kkkk
[16:46] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, desta vez eu não usei o gerenciador de drivers do ubuntu e foi
[16:46] <edenc> o stallman não entra nem no IRC e não faz buscas no google etc.
[16:46] <shallwe> eloi_carneiro, então era algum update mesmo
[16:46] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, aqui não sei se o gerenciador estava fazendo algo de diferente
[16:47] <edenc> se você tiver cacife pra bancar esse estilo de vida, meus parabéns
[16:47] <MerliM> nem eu faço buscas no irc
[16:47] <MerliM> nao to dizendo iso
[16:47] <MerliM> isso
[16:47] <edu141415> voltei merliM a versão do meu Ubuntu é ubuntu-15.04-server-amd64
[16:47] <MerliM> esse papo ta ficando estranho já
[16:47] <edenc> enfim, virou off topic
[16:47] <MerliM> tb acho
[16:47] <edenc> mas resumindo: se o cara colabora, deixa ele usar o que ele quiser, não é da conta de ninguém o que ele usa na máquina dele
[16:47] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, é aquela coisa, ele esta com uns bugs na detecção de monitor, e não esotu conseguindo gerenciar a disposição de varios monitores, ou resolução pelo gerenciador nativo do ubuntu
[16:48] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, mas quando entro no gerenciador na nvidia ainda dá pra fazer alguma coisa
[16:48] <shallwe> alguém esta invadindo meu ubuntu quem é?
[16:48] <edenc> shallwe: eu
[16:48] <shallwe> edenc, kkk oq é essa captura?
[16:48] <shallwe> sua tela?
[16:48] <Ferrhcp> sim
[16:48] <Ferrhcp> ficou show
[16:49] <edenc> shallwe: claro que não né
[16:49] <MerliM> edu141415, humm
[16:49] <edenc> shallwe: se fosse eu não falaria nada
[16:49] <shallwe> kkkk é o Ferrhcp mania de mandar coisas por aqui
[16:49] <Ferrhcp> Hahah
[16:49] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, não vem por aqui nem adianta
[16:49] <Ferrhcp> sou novo aqui, não sabia que não mandavam coisas por auqi
[16:49] <Ferrhcp> opa malz ae
[16:49] <Ferrhcp> !
[16:49] <shallwe> coloca la no http://postimage.org/ manolo
[16:49] <Ferrhcp> não sabia
[16:51] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, mas posta ai no site pra gente ver
[16:54] <Ferrhcp> http://postimg.org/image/mzbfr33r3/
[16:54] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, bem legal, essa é a vantagem você pode personalizar tudo :)
[16:55] <shallwe> mas se vc tirar o lançador você fica com um pequeno problema
[16:55] <Ferrhcp> sim.. e se amanha não quiser mais
[16:55] <Ferrhcp> faço de outro jeito bem legal isso
[16:55] <Ferrhcp> qual?
[16:55] <shallwe> vc precisa de algo pra procurar os programas
[16:55] <edenc> precisa? rs
[16:55] <shallwe> instalados, só se vc instalar o menu de programas ou algo assim
[16:55] <shallwe> edenc, claro :)
[16:56] <edenc> só se você não souber onde eles estão
[16:56] <Ferrhcp> ele esta oculto
[16:56] <Ferrhcp> disfarçado
[16:56] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, sim esta é a ideia
[16:56] <Ferrhcp> quanto preciso de algo alt f2
[16:56] <edu141415> MerliM veja os erros que você pediu do dpkg http://postimg.org/image/fns4exf4f/
[16:56] <shallwe> ou fixa no docky
[16:56] <edenc> Ferrhcp: ou usa xmonad rs
[16:57] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, a não agora o edenc vai contar a historia dele o o teclado sem mouse :)
[16:57] <edenc> shallwe: dá pra usar mouse com o xmonad perfeitamente
[16:57] <edenc> só não é necessário
[16:57] <shallwe> edenc, kkk sabia que vc iria falar isso
[16:57] <Ferrhcp> ahahaha
[16:57] <edenc> shallwe: meus parabéns
[16:58] <edenc> já dá pra abrir uma barraca de Tarot
[16:58] <Ferrhcp> edenc, vc usa windows?
[16:58] <edenc> uso
[16:58] <shallwe> edenc, eu não sou vidente, só lembro das coisas :)
[16:58] <edu141415> Como eu reparo estes erros no dpkg?
[16:58] <shallwe> mas vou ter que instalar de novo o ubuntu deu pau isso de instalar por cima do gnome shell kkk
[16:58] <shallwe> edu141415, sudo apt-get install -f
[16:59] <shallwe> edu141415, quer dizer se forem pacotes quebrados
[17:00] <edu141415> Salvou 6 linhas de erro neste arquivo do dpkg
[17:00] <edu141415> http://postimg.org/image/fns4exf4f/
[17:00] <edu141415> vou tentar estes seu comando
[17:01] <shallwe> edu141415, blz mas não aparecem os erros
[17:02] <picasso_> pessoal alguém sabe se já foi resolvido o problema de placas de vídeo amd redeon na questão de gráficos? Aqui fica passando umas listras chatas que não dá para jogar, nem ver filme direito...
[17:02] <MerliM> edu141415, fazendo uams coisas aqui pera
[17:03] <Ferrhcp> não sei se posso falar de trabalhos free-la aqui
[17:03] <Ferrhcp> posso?
[17:03] <shallwe> picasso_, no ubuntu 15.10?
[17:03] <picasso_> 14.xx
[17:04] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, cara aqui se pode tudo, até o chefe chamar atenção kkk, brincadeira
[17:04] <shallwe> se for relacionado a ubuntu ou software livre acho que nao tem problema
[17:04] <shallwe> se contribuir com algo
[17:04] <Ferrhcp> quem é o chefe?
[17:04] <MerliM> Ferrhcp, creio que pode desde que nao seja repetitivo
[17:04] <shallwe> picasso_, a bom, a minha estava ok no ubuntu 15.04 quebrou com o 15.10 estou esperando update
[17:05] <picasso_> pois é, aqui fica a imagem horrível =/
[17:05] <edenc> Ferrhcp: como assim "falar de trabalhos free-la"?
[17:05] <shallwe> picasso_, por acaso vc tem instalado drive proprietário o update ou o outro?
[17:05] <picasso_> nem lembro tanto tempo que instalei, he he he, =x como vejo isso?
[17:06] <Ferrhcp> Bom,.... há uma vertente no mercado inexplorada, que necessita e vai necessitar mais de telefonia digital "asterix" após o CNJ soltar uns provimentos ai
[17:06] <Ferrhcp> alguém mexe com asterix aqui?
[17:06] <shallwe> picasso_, lá nos drivers adicionais
[17:07] <picasso_> vejamos...
[17:07] <Ferrhcp> *asterisk
[17:08] <picasso_> alguém aqui programa em python?
[17:08] <MerliM> edu141415, mano aquela img nao entendi nada
[17:08] <MerliM> O.o
[17:08] <shallwe> MerliM, kkk nem eu
[17:08] <picasso_> shallwe, tô usando a proprietário ^
[17:08] <picasso_> ^^
[17:08] <MerliM> Ferrhcp, asterisk lol
[17:08] <shallwe> picasso_, mas qual dos 2?
[17:09] <shallwe> tem 2 proprietários
[17:09] <edenc> picasso_: eu programo
[17:09] <picasso_> 0.0 deixa eu ver de novo huehuehue
[17:09] <shallwe> picasso_, tem um que no final tem -update
[17:09] <picasso_> edenc, você conhece um livro atualizado e bom para eu aprender?
[17:09] <picasso_> vejamos...
[17:10] <picasso_> Tá só (proprietário). mesmo.
[17:10] <edenc> picasso_: não aprendo linguagens usando livros, então não tenho um livro bom pra indicar
[17:11] <shallwe> a bom, é que o update ele é mais atual, mas claro é menos "estável"
[17:11] <Geese_Howard> edenc: você aprende com as aulas do youtube?
[17:11] <picasso_> Aprende como? 0.o
[17:11] <edenc> Geese_Howard: também não
[17:11] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkk
[17:11] <edenc> programando nelas
[17:11] <Geese_Howard> edenc: code.org?
[17:11] <shallwe> eu aprendo com youtube, estou aprendendo japones :)
[17:11] <picasso_> Eu tenho um curso com 142 aulas mas é fo... ver no celular...
[17:11] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: o edenc não é parâmetro
[17:11] <picasso_> huhuahuahuahuahua
[17:11] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: ele é autoDEdata
[17:11] <edenc> em geral, tenho percebido que a melhor documentação é a que vem na própria linguagem
[17:12] <hggdh> picasso_: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[17:12] <MerliM> Vixiii
[17:12] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: viu, fora da curva
[17:12] <edenc> Geese_Howard: quem usa livro pra aprender também é auto-didata, haha
[17:12] <MerliM> edenc, boteiii Fé
[17:12] <edenc> MerliM: oi?
[17:13] <shallwe> falar em livro hoje em dia é meio falar do passado, com tanto conteúdo online digital
[17:13] <shallwe> até cursos muito bom online, pagos claro
[17:13] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: nem fu
[17:13] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, depende claro não falo na forma geral
[17:13] <picasso_> tem o codecademy muito bom mais eu travo em algumas questões pra resolver x.x
[17:14] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: Think Python
[17:14] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: mas se o seu problema for algoritmo
[17:14] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: sugiro algum da linha deitel
[17:14] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: pena que o python dos deitel é ultrapassado e eles não pensam em atualizar
[17:15] <edenc> Putz
[17:15] <picasso_> Eu saco de algoritmo, lógica... queria um livro para estudar no celular... baixei até um complicador pro cel já para ir treinando :D
[17:15] <picasso_> ah...
[17:15] <edenc> Pegue qualquer livro que não seja o Deitel
[17:15] <edenc> São MUITO ruins
[17:15] <hggdh> picasso_: http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Python-Edition-Mark-Lutz/dp/1449355730
[17:15] <picasso_> eu tenho dois livros, ou é, 3 de python aqui...
[17:15] <shallwe> picasso_, melhor coisa que eu fiz foi comprar um ipadmini :) pena que ficou lento
[17:15] <picasso_> no speak english :P
[17:15] <shallwe> usava direto pra ler as coisas e aprender
[17:16] <picasso_> hum... é good mesmo, eu tenho um tablet aqui, acho que... vou usa-lo então :3
[17:16] <shallwe> e o ipadmini 4 custa um rim então...
[17:16] <edenc> picasso_: sinto lhe informar mas nós vivemos num mundo imperialista norte-americano
[17:16] <hggdh> sigh
[17:16] <edenc> picasso_: aprender inglês é o primeiro passo pra ser programador, não tem muito pra onde correr não
[17:16] <hggdh> picasso_: https://wiki.python.org/moin/PortugueseLanguage
[17:16] <picasso_> Sim eu sei, tô estudando pelo Pimsleur (aula 21 ainda =( ) e tô baixando o novo Rosetta vou dá o gás \o/
[17:16] <picasso_> obrigado hggdh
[17:17] <Geese_Howard> "complicador"
[17:17] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkk
[17:17] <hggdh> picasso_: google é teu amigo. Eu achei o link acima via "python programming books portuguese"
[17:17] <edenc> você pode até aprender a programar sem saber inglês, mas você vai ser um programador mediano no máximo
[17:18] <picasso_> Verdade, e, eu pretendo morar em Portugal em breve... fazer um mestrado lá e depois pular pra Finlândia =3
[17:18] <picasso_> tenho que aprender inglês o mais rápido possível =x
[17:18] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: Pimsleur é bom para falar, continue
[17:18] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: mas para aprender vocabulário, para a leitura.
[17:18] <picasso_> sim, verdade Geese_Howard o Rosetta é good em tudo mas infelizmente chatinho =s
[17:19] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: livros, hqs, letras de músicas, jogos rpg são mais adequados [e divertidos]
[17:19] <hggdh> mas, de volta ao tópico...
[17:19] <edenc> Geese_Howard++
[17:19] <picasso_> \o/
[17:20] <picasso_> pessoal é muito difícil transmitir malwares via wifi? Sei que por cabo dá de boa... 0.o
[17:20] <edenc> mais um que precisa entrar no #whitehat-br
[17:20] <picasso_> =x
[17:20] <MerliM> hggdh, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk tava demorando até estranhei
[17:20] <MerliM> Chaserv muda o estado de hggdh***
[17:20] <MerliM> kkkk
[17:21] <edenc> Geese_Howard: você não usa proxy?
[17:22] <Geese_Howard> edenc: não
[17:22] <Geese_Howard> edenc: pq?
[17:22] <picasso_> É, acho que vou pegar o livro que estou lendo mesmo e dá continuação... e passar uns cursos de vídeo aula pro tablet e dá o gás =D obrigado a todos \o/ só tô com problema da placa de vídeo ainda x.x
[17:22] <edenc> Geese_Howard: porque você saiu do canal haha
[17:23] <edenc> aliás, só eu fiquei, e volta e meia entra alguém lá, pergunta se eu tô on e sai
[17:24] <Geese_Howard> vou colocar no auto aqui
[17:24] <edenc> Não consigo usar IRC sem proxy
[17:26] <hggdh> MerliM: como já disse antes, não sou radical. Aceito conversas que estejam, mais ou menos, ligadas a Ubuntu. Mas programação genérica tem um limite.
[17:28] <picasso_> ah, então aqui o povo coloca limite pra conversas? x.x
[17:28] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: sim
[17:28] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: regras do canal
[17:28] <picasso_> 0.o
[17:28] <hggdh> picasso_: este é um canal de suporte ao Ubuntu.
[17:28] <picasso_> =/
[17:28] <Geese_Howard> picasso_: do or die
[17:31] <hggdh> MerliM: SASL...
[17:32] <MerliM> hggdh, nao ta funcionandooo
[17:33] <hggdh> MerliM: nope
[17:33] <MerliM> eu vi depois vejo isso kkk
[18:09] <Proteus_> Merlin
[18:10] <Proteus_> E ai Merlin.... vamos la?
[18:10] <shallwe> instalei o novo kernel 4.2.5 pra ver se iria arrumar alguma coisa dos drivers proprietários da ati mas nada, continuam quebrados kkk
[18:10] <Proteus_> E ai Shallwe.... vamos retomar?
[18:10] <shallwe> Proteus_: estou instalando de novo o ubuntu 14.04
[18:11] <Proteus_> Nossa.... até meu joguinho Majjong tá com a imagem deformada
[18:12] <Proteus_> é pracabá
[18:13] <Poca> shallwe, instalar o kernel mais novo só vai piorar
[18:14] <Poca> a AMD é lerda demais
[18:18] <Geese_Howard> a palavra é: desinteressada
[18:21] <shallwe> Poca: já ia instalar o ubuntu 14.04 mesmo foi só pra testar kkk
[18:21] <Proteus_> shallwe.... agora até no terminal não dá pra ler o que escrevo
[18:21] <Proteus_> help!
[18:22] <Geese_Howard> tentando entender "não dá para ler o que escrevo"
[18:22] <Poca> Geese_Howard, não tá sendo renderizado
[18:22] <Proteus_> Geese.... é o seguinte... estou com um problema...
[18:22] <Poca> tá feio a coisa
[18:22] <Proteus_> vou explicar
[18:22] <Geese_Howard> Proteus_: no no
[18:22] <Geese_Howard> Proteus_: to ocupado para prestar atenção profundamente
[18:22] <Geese_Howard> Proteus_: boa sorte com o shallwe ou o Me
[18:23] <Geese_Howard> desculpe!
[18:23] <Proteus_> no meu ubuntu não consigo ler arquivos pdf e nem caixas de dialogo do proprio ubuntu
[18:24] <Poca> Proteus_, cara, tenta desinstalar o driver da amd
[18:24] <Poca> o catalyst
[18:24] <Poca> por enquanto
[18:24] <Proteus_> Poca, dá uma olhada http://postimg.org/image/468vsd7jz/
[18:24] <Proteus_> é assim que aparece o texto pra mim aqui
[18:25] <Poca> welcome to catalyst mal configurado
[18:25] <Poca> haha
[18:25] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[18:26] <Proteus_> eu nem tenho esse catalyst instalado amigo
[18:26] <Proteus_> procurei na Central de Programas do Ubuntu e não encontrei
[18:28] <Poca> Proteus_, tu não é o cara da placa de vídeo da amd?
[18:28] <Poca> ah, não mesmo, li errado
[18:28] <Poca> que placa de vídeo tu tem aí?
[18:28] <Poca> e tu tá usando o ppa do xorg-edgers?
[18:28] <Proteus_> nao.... uso Pentiun
[18:29] <Poca> okay, teu driver é da intel
[18:29] <Proteus_> sin
[18:30] <Proteus_> uso um IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2 Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[18:30] <Proteus_> Poca uso um IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2 Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[18:32] <Poca> dá pra tentar instalar o intel graphics installer for linux
[18:32] <Poca> e ver se melhora
[18:32] <Proteus_> como faço isso pelo terminal?
[18:33] <Poca> w8
[18:33] <Proteus_> Poca_: como escrevo no terminal para instalar ?
[18:35] <Poca> Proteus_, tu tá usandp qual versão do Ubuntu?
[18:36] <Proteus_> 15.10
[18:36] <Poca> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0
[18:37] <Poca> aliás, acredito que tu esteja usando a versão 64 bits, correto?
[18:37] <Poca> mandei o link direto no teu pvt
[18:39] <Proteus_> amigo.... parece que é 32 bits.... não sei
[18:40] <Proteus_> eu sempre tenho dificuldade em saber
[18:41] <Proteus_> ah, tá... peguei aqui... é 32
[18:41] <Vico> Boa tarde
[18:43] <Vico> Instalei o ubunto e ele so inicia se tiver o pendrive conectado, como iniciar sem o pendrive?
[18:43] <rafael> Vico: vc tentou mudar para legacy?
[18:43] <Proteus_> Poca_: as versões de instaladores na pagina são para o ubuntu 1.04
[18:43] <Proteus_> 15.04
[18:43] <Vico> nao encontrei essa opcao no setup do notebook
[18:44] <Proteus_> e meu ubuntu é 15.10
[18:44] <rafael> Seu notebook é novo?
[18:45] <Vico> nao
[18:45] <rafael> Verifique se ele é UEFI
[18:45] <Vico> como faco isso?
[18:45] <rafael> Pesquisando
[18:45] <rafael> Veja o modelo, e pesquise no google
[18:47] <Proteus_> Rafael_: pode me dar uma ajuda?
[18:47] <Mangusto> Hey galera, meu iptables está tudo Accept, se não me engano, o recomendavel é dar um Drop no Input
[18:47] <Vico> Bios
[18:48] <Mangusto> Mas eu não estou encontrando o comando, sudo iptables -A INPUT -j DROP
[18:48] <Mangusto> não funciona como eu desejo
[18:48] <rafael> Proteus_: diga
[18:48] <rafael> Vico: é bios?
[18:48] <Vico> Sim
[18:48] <Vico> E um Acer Aspire 5516
[18:48] <Proteus_> rafael_: uso um IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2 Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[18:48] <rafael> Mangusto: digita sudo iptables -L e dá um pastebin
[18:49] <Proteus_> rafael_: não consigo ler arquivos pdf e nm o que tá escrito nas caixas de dialogo do proprio ubuntu 15.10
[18:50] <Proteus_> as letras e palavras aparecem embaralhadas... deformadas
[18:50] <Mangusto> rafael: Obrigado pela ajuda http://pastebin.com/cNEMhsiZ
[18:50] <Proteus_> mas aparecem normal nos browsers
[18:51] <Vico> so fazendo essa alteracao que consigo iniciar sem o pendrive?
[18:51] <rafael> Vico, acho que o problema é que vc não está instalando corretamente
[18:52] <rafael> Proteus_: vc já viu nas configurações de idioma?
[18:53] <rafael> Mangusto: vc deve alterar o arquivo de configuração do iptables
[18:53] <rafael> Mangusto: não só digitar o comando
[18:53] <Proteus_> como faço para ver?
[18:53] <Vico> eu configurei para dar boot do pendrive e escolhi a opcao instalar e segui a instalacao
[18:53] <Proteus_> nao é problma de idioma..... é que as letras e palavras aparecem todas deformadas... como se estivessem borradas
[18:54] <rafael> Vico: o seguir instalação
[18:54] <rafael> Vico: nessa parte é que tem que ter mais cuidado
[18:54] <rafael> Proteus_: qualquer pdf?
[18:55] <Vico> o que posso ter feito de errado?
[18:55] <Poca> Proteus_, dei uma durmida
[18:55] <rafael> particionamento, talvez
[18:55] <Poca> mas era pra 15.10
[18:55] <rafael> Vico: não aguardou a instalação até o fim
[18:55] <hggdh> Mangusto: o mais fácil é usar uma interface gráfica. Ubuntu, por default, vem com ufw (linha de comando) e gufw (gráfica)
[18:55] <Poca> ou deveria funcionar também
[18:56] <rafael> hggdh: verdade, há boas interfaces para iptables
[18:56] <shallwe> Proteus_: cara faz o seguinte
[18:56] <rafael> o webmin também tem essa opção
[18:57] <shallwe> qual o nome do programa que você usa pra ler pdf mesmo?
[18:57] <hggdh> webmin tem uma propenção a reescrever /etc/, causando problemas em futuras atualizações
[18:57] <Mangusto> Obrigado hggdh, você viu a crítica que o Linus fez ? Acho que ele foi muito agressivo
[18:58] <Proteus_> olha como aparece http://postimg.org/image/468vsd7jz/
[18:58] <hggdh> Mangusto: não sei disto
[18:58] <Vico> mas qdo acabou a instalacao abriu o ubuntu
[18:58] <shallwe> Proteus_: legal foi a foto que eu postei pra vc kkk
[18:59] <Proteus_> pessoal.... o problema aparece em qualquer leitor de pdf que eu uso
[18:59] <shallwe> estou instalando o ubuntu 14.04 aí já te ajudo vou pra ele
[18:59] <rafael> Proteus_: tenta abrir com o okular
[18:59] <shallwe> Proteus_: eu ia comentar pra você tentar executar o app pelo terminal
[18:59] <Mangusto> hggdh: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1510.3/02866.html
[18:59] <shallwe> o terminal sempre mostra algo, qualquer aviso já ajuda
[18:59] <rafael> Proteus_: qual sua placa de vídeo?
[18:59] <Proteus_> rafael.... acho que não é o leitor de pdf.... porque as caixas de dialogo do proprio linux tambem apresentam esse problema
[19:00] <Proteus_> e algumas imagens tb
[19:00] <rafael> Proteus_: e qual é sua placa de vídeo?
[19:00] <Proteus_> rafael_: uso um IBM Thinkcentre Lenovo Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2 Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[19:00] <Vico> eu instalei pelo yumi, pode ser isso?
[19:00] <rafael> hggdh: qualquer gerenciador de configurações vai reescrever /etc
[19:01] <rafael> Proteus_: já instalou o driver?
[19:01] <rafael> https://01.org/linuxgraphics
[19:02] <rafael> é intel, certo?
[19:02] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[19:02] <Proteus_> sim... intel
[19:02] <rafael> mirqui: boa
[19:02] <hggdh> rafael: sim, este é um problema. Uma atualizaçao de pacote que vai mudar /etc/? vai perder-se
[19:02] <rafael> Proteus_: então, instala
[19:03] <rafael> hggdh: por isso que pra quem é sysadmin bkp é essencial
[19:03] <Proteus_> rafael... nessa pagina ai nao tem pra versão do meu ubuntu que é 15.10
[19:03] <rafael> Proteus_: então aconselho instalar uma versão que tenha suporte a sua placa de vídeo
[19:04] <Proteus_> mas assisto videos normal
[19:04] <Proteus_> imagens e textos nos browsers normal tb
[19:04] <rafael> Proteus_: então alguma configuração alterou a forma como o sistema lida com as imagens
[19:05] <hggdh> Proteus_: algo, além da instalação padrão do Ubuntu, foi adicionado?
[19:06] <Proteus_> nenhuma adição
[19:06] <Proteus_> somente fiz o upgrade da versão 15.04 para 15.10
[19:06] <rafael> Proteus_: então...
[19:07] <rafael> Proteus_: vc pode escolher a versão que quiser, mas eu, por exemplo, só uso LTS
[19:07] <Mangusto> Pera, o que exatamente isso >sudo iptables -P INPUT DROP< faz ?
[19:07] <rafael> Proteus_: aconselho que vc faça o mesmo
[19:07] <rafael> Mangusto: dropa todos os pacotes entrantes
[19:07] <Mangusto> Mas é seguro ?
[19:07] <hggdh> Mangusto: *TODOS*
[19:08] <Proteus_> instalei o Okular tb para ler arquivos pdf e continua na mesma
[19:08] <Mangusto> Porque, como sou um usuário comum, quase nunca percebo diferença z_z
[19:09] <rafael> Mangusto: se vc usa uma conexão doméstica talvez não veja muita diferença mesmo
[19:09] <Proteus_> rafael_: qual versão aconselha que eu use?
[19:09] <Proteus_> 15.04?
[19:09] <rafael> Mas se sua máquina compartilha arquivos ou impressoras ou for uma máquina dentro de uma LAN corporativa, talvez faça bastante diferença
[19:10] <rafael> Proteus_: 14.04
[19:10] <Alison> oie amigo
[19:10] <Alison> você pode me ajudar
[19:10] <Proteus_> outra pergunta... como faço para voltar da versão 1.10 para a versão 14.04?
[19:10] <rafael> Alison: só se soubermos seu problema
[19:11] <Alison> pessoal eu ainda estou tentando instalar o ubuntu
[19:11] <rafael> Proteus_: acho que é melhor instalar novamente
[19:11] <Proteus_> 15.10 para 14.04
[19:11] <Alison> si é pra voltar a uma outra versão instalar novamente é a solução
[19:11] <Proteus_> aí eu perco tudo o que tenho na maquina? todos os arquivos?
[19:11] <rafael> Proteus_: backup
[19:11] <Alison> faz um backup antes
[19:12] <rafael> Proteus_: usb, hd externo, nuvem
[19:12] <Alison> você pode me ajudar amigo
[19:12] <rafael> Proteus_: escolha
[19:12] <rafael> Alison: só se souber seu problema
[19:12] <Proteus_> tá... deixa eu colocar uma outra pergunta..
[19:13] <Proteus_> É verdade que seu eu montar um computador e instalar o linux ... o linux otimizará todo o hardware?
[19:14] <rafael> Proteus_: qual a fonte dessa informação?
[19:14] <Proteus_> li isso há muito tempo
[19:14] <Proteus_> é verdade?
[19:14] <hggdh> não. Linux não é mágica.
[19:15] <Proteus_> tem fundamento porque maquinas montadas por parceiras da microsoft costumam oferecer empecilhos para o linx rodar
[19:15] <Proteus_> linux
[19:15] <Proteus_> mudando a pergunta: instalar o linux numa maquina montada ela rodará melhor que instalar o windows?
[19:16] <hggdh> Proteus_: provavelmente esrá mais rápida. Se melhor, ou não, depende do hardware
[19:16] <rafael> Proteus_: acho que não é possível afirmar isso. No entanto, já existem fabricantes especializados em linux
[19:17] <rafael> system76.com
[19:17] <rafael> Proteus_: algumas empresas também fazem investimentos pesados para compatibilidade de servidores e desktops com linux, principalmente ubuntu
[19:17] <Proteus_> porque francamente hein.... windows é um ambiente feito para escravos
[19:17] <Proteus_> eu acho
[19:17] <hggdh> ^ eu tenho um gazelle da system76
[19:18] <rafael> Proteus_: a IBM é um caso
[19:18] <rafael> Proteus_: eu acho que existem soluções mais adequadas que outras
[19:18] <rafael> o linux atende minhas necessidades
[19:18] <Proteus_> já o Ruindows.....
[19:18] <rafael> hggdh: tá na minha wishlist :D
[19:19] <rafael> Proteus_: atende a necessidade de outros usuários
[19:20] <Mangusto> Exatamente, não faz sentido classificar algo como bom ou ruim olhando para necessidades mais específicas
[19:21] <Proteus_> Um funcionario da microsoft disse ao meu cunhado uma vez que o Windows é um ambiente que foi criado para ser invadido mesmo.... privacidade zero
[19:22] <Proteus_> isso explica a quantidade de popups que abrem quando vc ta navegando...
[19:22] <rafael> Proteus_: hahahaha
[19:22] <Mangusto> Meu professor, uma vez, disse que linux era uma dr0g4 porque não conseguia rodar jogos
[19:22] <Proteus_> uma vez que voce fizer uma compra.... passara a receber sugestões de compras
[19:22] <Proteus_> é phoda
[19:22] <rafael> popups e segurança zero
[19:22] <rafael> hauhahuahu
[19:22] <rafael> Proteus_: isso tem a ver com cookies, meu amigo
[19:23] <rafael> Mangusto: seu professor não precisa de um computador, precisa de um console
[19:23] <hggdh> Proteus_: linguagem, por favor
[19:24] <Mangusto> rafael: Depois dessa eu não aguentava ir para as aulas, até saí da instituição
[19:24] <Proteus_> comprei um notebook topissimo da HP la nos EUA, terra da microsoft... quando cheguei em casa a primeira coisa que fiz foi arrancar o Ruindows dele á força
[19:24] <Proteus_> kkk
[19:24] <Proteus_> instalei o Ubuntu
[19:24] <Mangusto> Ele usava qualquer besteira como "argumento", era ridículo
[19:24] <rafael> Proteus_: eu uso os dois
[19:24] <rafael> preciso trabalhar
[19:24] <rafael> Não dá pra ganhar dinheiro só com linux
[19:25] <Proteus_> qual tua profissão?
[19:25] <rafael> Proteus_: security & network
[19:25] <Proteus_> Ah..
[19:26] <Proteus_> Erm....
[19:26] <Proteus_> bom hein
[19:26] <rafael> Não posso reclamar
[19:26] <Proteus_> Quantos digitos vc ganha por mes?
[19:26] <rafael> Proteus_: vamos falar sobre linux
[19:26] <hggdh> vamos voltar ao tópico, por favor
[19:27] <Mangusto> Que isso, hahahah
[19:27] <shallwe> nada como o bom e velho ubuntu 14.04
[19:27] <shallwe> tudo rodando blz, certinho, drivers ok lindo e maravilhoso
[19:27] <rafael> shallwe: versões LTS não dão dor de cabeça
[19:29] <shallwe> rafael: é verdade, na realidade o 15.04 estva ok, fui inventar de atualizar pro 15.10 e ralou
[19:29] <shallwe> pq eu estava usando drive proprietário da ati
[19:29] <shallwe> alias, deveria ter um avisou ou algo que upgrade pro ubuntu 15.10 NÃO pode ter drive ati proprietário instalado se não quebra
[19:29] <rafael> shallwe: bom ter em uma partição separada para testar, mas rodar em produção não dá
[19:30] <shallwe> rafael: pra mim tranquilo pq qualquer coisa tenho tudo no dropbox só instalar de novo
[19:30] <shallwe> mas difícil dar pau em algum ubuntu que eu já tenha instalado
[19:30] <shallwe> só assim quando é upgrade etc
[19:31] <shallwe> e claro quando você precisa de suporte o ubuntu 14.04 tem muuuuito mais coisas na internet que qualquer outra versão atual
[19:34] <Proteus_> Ubuntu 14.04..... é pra lá que eu vou... kkkkkk
[19:35] <Proteus_> tem como eu instalar a versão 14.04 pelo terminal?
[19:35] <Mangusto> rafael: Você acha que dá para viver apenas com certificação ? Sem graduação
[19:36] <rafael> Proteus_: melhor instalar novamente
[19:37] <rafael> Mangusto: depende do lugar onde vc mora
[19:37] <Mangusto> SP-SP
[19:39] <rafael> Mangusto: nesse caso, certeza
[19:39] <rafael> Mangusto: mas graduação é prata, pós é ouro
[19:40] <rafael> Mangusto: conhecimento em linux, open source
[19:40] <Mangusto> Ty :D
[19:40] <rafael> também fazem muita diferença tanto para desenvolvimento quando network
[19:40] <rafael> quanto*
[19:48] <Proteus_> eu tenho que baixar o arquivo .iso?
[19:49] <Poca> Proteus_, não conseguiu instalar o softwarezinho da intel?
[19:49] <Proteus_> poca... naquela pagina que voce passou so tem para a versao 15.04
[19:49] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: pode anunciar evento sobre linux? tem como colocar no tópico?
[19:49] <Proteus_> eu ate instalei mas nao funcionou
[19:49] <shallwe> não tem como viver com o 14.04 sem o "sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal"
[19:49] <Poca> mas deve funcionar igual
[19:49] <shallwe> :)
[19:49] <Poca> ah
[19:49] <Poca> bosta
[19:50] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: em específico: http://www.semanadolinux.com.br/
[19:50] <Poca> Proteus_, tente isso sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[19:50] <Poca> e depois dá um sudo apt-get && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:50] <hggdh> Poca: linguagem, por favor
[19:50] <Poca> Proteus_, isso daí pode ferra com o teu Xorg
[19:50] <Poca> instale o ppapurge também
[19:50] <Proteus_> poca.. esses comandos fazem o que?
[19:50] <Poca> caso isso aconteça, dá pra "desinstalar" o ppa e reverter as mudanças
[19:51] <Poca> instala o ppa do xorg-edgers
[19:51] <Poca> meio que um ppa com versões não estáveis do xorg e seus drivers
[19:51] <hggdh> Geese_Howard: pode
[19:51] <Poca> Proteus_, faltou o update depois do primeiro apt-get ali
[19:51] <Poca> hggdh, desculpe-me
[19:52] <Proteus_> poca... escreve o comando de novo
[19:52] <Poca> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:52] <Poca> dá um sudo su
[19:52] <Poca> e roda os comandos
[19:52] <Poca> fica menos chato assim u.u
[19:53] <hggdh> sudo -i é mais fácil
[19:54] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, boa já tinha esquecido deste evento
[19:54] <shallwe> quando tentei me inscrever estava dando erro no cadastro, agora deu :)
[19:55] <Proteus_> pronto Poca.... fiz os 3 comandos
[19:55] <Proteus_> e agora?
[19:57] <Poca> Proteus_, reinicia aí e abre um pdf pra ver se resolveu
[19:57] <PauloBrEs> tarde
[19:59] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, boa
[20:01] <PauloBrEs> tem algum programa no ubuntu que gerencia celular?
[20:02] <mirqui> como gerenciar ?
[20:02] <PauloBrEs> tipo aquele aplicativo da sansung
[20:02] <Mangusto> Que aplicativo ?
[20:03] <Proteus_> ok Poca.... vou fazer isso
[20:03] <mirqui> mas o celular já vem com uu
[20:03] <mirqui> um
[20:03] <hggdh> Geese_Howard: tente mudaro tópico (adicionando o evento)
[20:03] <PauloBrEs> sim mas quevo acessar pelo ubuntu
[20:03] <mirqui> é tudo exĺicado , fots , filmes , etc
[20:04] <mirqui> tenho um windows phone e acesso pelo ubuntu
[20:04] <PauloBrEs> eu acesso via usb normal
[20:04] <mirqui> qual seu cellular?
[20:05] <mirqui> celular
[20:05] <PauloBrEs> s5 mini
[20:05] <PauloBrEs> sansung
[20:06] <PauloBrEs> se nao tiver continua usando a gerenciamento de arquivos mesmo como pendrive
[20:06] <mirqui> no win phone tem um app , que da uma url para acessar o celular
[20:06] <mirqui> e ai o conteudo do celular , aparece na tela do pc
[20:07] <Proteus__> Poca
[20:07] <mirqui> easy phone acho
[20:08] <mirqui> para androyd tbm deve ter
[20:08] <Proteus__> Poca.... o problema continua
[20:08] <mirqui> android
[20:10] <shallwe> Proteus__, vc instalou o ubuntu 14.04?
[20:11] <Poca> Poca, putz...
[20:12] <Proteus__> nao instalei a 14.04
[20:12] <Poca> Proteus__, não sei o que fazer então, vou pra faculdade agora, mas tenta conseguir ajuda aqui e no bom e velho google
[20:12] <Poca> mas, esse problema é só com PDFs?
[20:12] <Proteus__> to tentando outra forma
[20:12] <Proteus__> nao é so com pdfs
[20:12] <shallwe> Proteus__, vc não iria instalar o ubuntu 14.04?
[20:12] <Poca> Nas outras versões do ubuntu isso acontecia?
[20:13] <Proteus__> o grafico do google earth ficam chuviscados... as caixas de dialogo do linux ficam com as letras embaralhadas e algumas imagens tb ficam embaralhadas
[20:13] <shallwe> eu ainda estou achando drive de video
[20:13] <Proteus__> a unica coisa que consigo ler é nos browsers sem problemas
[20:13] <Proteus__> e assistir videos tb sem problema
[20:14] <Poca> shallwe, pode ser o compiz também
[20:14] <Proteus__> Poca... na versao anteriior eu tinha um pouquinho disso mas dava pra ler pdf normal
[20:14] <shallwe> Poca, também
[20:14] <Poca> vou pra facul, shallwe ajuda ele instalar o lubuntu pelo terminal
[20:15] <Poca> se der merda no lxde também
[20:15] <Poca> daí deve ser placa de vídeo
[20:15] <shallwe> Proteus__, baixa o 14.04 e testa no usb como live mesmo, só pra ver se continua sem instalar nada
[20:15] <shallwe> Poca, bons estudos :)
[20:15] <Poca> valeu
[20:15] <Poca> boa sorte aí Proteus__
[20:15] <shallwe> Proteus__, eu não vou mais te ajudar enquanto vc não baixar a 14.04, coloca em um pendrive e testar sem instalra kkk
[20:15] <Proteus__> shalwe... na versao 14.04 eu sei que vai funcionar tudo normal
[20:16] <shallwe> Proteus__, então se funciona é o ubuntu 15.10
[20:16] <Proteus__> só quero ver se posso arrumar isso na versao atual mesmo
[20:16] <shallwe> ou o unity claro
[20:16] <shallwe> se quiser testar em último caso dos últimos
[20:16] <shallwe> vc pode tentar instalar outro por cima, lubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <shallwe> que não usa unity
[20:16] <shallwe> ou xubuntu-desktop
[20:19] <hggdh> Geese_Howard: avise, se quiser, aos acima, que o ban foi retirado. Vamos tentar de novo.
[20:20] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: só conheço o NoR e o LeandroLuiz
[20:20] <hggdh> Geese_Howard: good enough
[20:21] <hggdh> Geese_Howard: o compute.aws.c, acho, é o kamicuja
[20:21] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: não conheço por esse nick
. Esperamos, então.
[20:23] <Mangusto> hggdh: Por que esses meliantes estavam banidos ?
[20:23] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: did you mean kanazuchi?
[20:24] <Geese_Howard> hggdh: ele mesmo, avisado
[20:26] <hggdh> isto :-)
[20:26] <hggdh> Mangusto: comportamento inadequado ao canal
[20:27] <shallwe> estranho no ubuntu 14.04 não aparece para mim nos drivers adicionais o tal drive da AMD Microcode etc, coisa do processador, só no 15.04
[20:27] <Mangusto> Xingamentos e ofensas ?
[20:29] <hggdh> misbehaviour. Logs do canal são disponíveis em http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[20:31] <PauloBrEs> boa tarde
[20:31] <PauloBrEs> alguem pode me dar uma luz
[20:32] <shallwe> humm interessante ubuntu-touch o canal tem bastante gente e conversas, vai que vai sair algo de bom aí :)
[20:32] <Proteus__> o que é Unity?
[20:32] <Mangusto> Google it
[20:32] <PauloBrEs> meu pc é um lenovo G40-70 e a rede sem fio dele funciona mas de praticamente de 10 em 10 minutos tenho que desconectar e conectar a rede sem fio direto
[20:33] <PauloBrEs> mas na rede cabeada funciona normal
[20:33] <shallwe> Proteus__, sei oq é Unity 3D, uso o software pra fazer jogos :)
[20:34] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, boa tarde
[20:34] <shallwe> qual ubuntu?
[20:34] <PauloBrEs> 15.10
[20:34] <shallwe> faz aí no terminal então
[20:35] <shallwe> lspci
[20:35] <shallwe> e vê a linha do wifi somente por favor
[20:35] <Proteus__> gente .... vou pra musculação
[20:35] <PauloBrEs> vou fazer
[20:35] <Proteus__> valeu?
[20:35] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, confirma se é a rtl8723be
[20:35] <shallwe> Proteus__, blz só cuida pra não fazer de mais que diminui certas partes
[20:36] <PauloBrEs> 0:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 8 Series SMBus Controller (rev 04) 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter pauloaugusto@pauloau
[20:36] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, blz
[20:37] <shallwe> você usava o ubuntu anterior?
[20:37] <Geese_Howard> bingo!
[20:37] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, driver novo vc iria falar?
[20:37] <Proteus__> A barriga cada vez mais tanquinho.... mas a torneira.... GG
[20:37] <Proteus__> sem chance de diminuir
[20:37] <Ferrhcp> Algum material bom sobre kernel do linux para estudar?
[20:38] <shallwe> Ferrhcp, isso de material bom é muito relevante, eu coloco no google kernel linux e vou pesquisando
[20:38] <shallwe> wikipedia, foruns e assim vai
[20:38] <PauloBrEs> é essa a minha placa?
[20:38] <shallwe> o bom é ler tudo, não só o material mais importante, pois as vezes se acha detalhes em outras aprtes também
[20:38] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, vc não respondeu
[20:39] <shallwe> usastes outro ubuntu antes?
[20:39] <PauloBrEs> sim
[20:39] <PauloBrEs> o 14
[20:39] <shallwe> e estava ok?
[20:39] <PauloBrEs> mais ou menos
[20:39] <PauloBrEs> vou dar um print
[20:39] <shallwe> tem uma dica mas vai ao teu risco
[20:39] <shallwe> é instalar um driver novo
[20:40] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, olha aí http://askubuntu.com/questions/633200/unstable-wifi-connection-ubuntu-14-04-lenovo-g40-70-rtl8723be
[20:40] <shallwe> talvez ajude
[20:40] <PauloBrEs> http://postimg.org/image/4dwnhg7zt/
[20:41] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: não sei
[20:41] <shallwe> sim eu já tinha visto sua linha de comando
[20:41] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: mas geralmente esta placa dá rolo
[20:42] <shallwe> PauloBrEs, é mas tenta lá http://askubuntu.com/questions/633200/unstable-wifi-connection-ubuntu-14-04-lenovo-g40-70-rtl8723be
[20:42] <PauloBrEs> vou fazer isso e reiniciar o pc e ja volto
[20:42] <shallwe> blz pura
[20:46] <PauloBrEs> deu erro
[20:46] <PauloBrEs> http://postimg.org/image/pc2tfj7uh/
[20:56] <PauloBrEs> alguem para ajudar?
[21:31] <Geese_Howard> remova o repositório
[21:31] <Geese_Howard> procure outro
[21:57] <vinyciustargino> meu computador é um pouco antigo, ele tem um processador celeron de 2.20 e 2gb de ram, ele roda ubuntu 14?
[21:57] <vinyciustargino> ano/modelo 2009
[21:57] <Mangusto> U
[21:59] <vinyciustargino> aguardo resposta
[22:10] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[22:18] <Geese> e já foi
[23:00] <Carbonero> alguém ai?
[23:00] <hugutux> Carbonero, boa noite
[23:01] <Carbonero> Boa noite
[23:01] <Carbonero> hugu
[23:01] <Carbonero> preciso de ajuda :(
[23:01] <hugutux> boa..
[23:01] <hugutux> Carbonero, manda ai, as vezes da pra ajudar!
[23:02] <Carbonero> Tipo, uso o ubuntu faz algum tempo já, desde 2013
[23:02] <Carbonero> mas não sei nada ainda sobre o sistema
[23:02] <Carbonero> não é algo que paro pra estudar, só vou atrás quando da problema
[23:02] <hugutux> usar por usar não traz conhecimento..
[23:03] <Carbonero> Eu tenho um note, que está com o Lubuntu
[23:03] <Carbonero> sim sim
[23:03] <Carbonero> Já instalei o Ubuntu, elementary nele
[23:03] <Carbonero> e ele tem um problema, sempre ao iniciar
[23:03] <Carbonero> qual seja o OS que ele está
[23:04] <Carbonero> exceto w7
[23:04] <Carbonero> com o w7 ele logava normalmente, mas com linux ele geralmente "trava" no logon
[23:04] <Carbonero> demora a carregar
[23:05] <Carbonero> e a imagem de logon fica piscando
[23:05] <astroo-> Carbonero
[23:05] <astroo-> eu sempre ola
[23:05] <Carbonero> creio que seja no hd mesmo
[23:05] <hugutux> Carbonero, será driver de video?
[23:05] <Carbonero> pensei que fosse, no driver ou hd
[23:05] <hugutux> drivers vga são complicados no mundo free
[23:05] <Carbonero> humm
[23:05] <hugutux> hd é algo mais generico!
[23:05] <Carbonero> Olá astroo
[23:06] <Carbonero> tipo, tive trabalho pra formata-lo e instalar o ubuntu, tbm
[23:06] <hugutux> qual o modelo do note?
[23:06] <Carbonero> ele não lia o disco de instalação
[23:07] <Carbonero> é um eMachines D442
[23:07] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: consegue acessar algum arquivo no /var/log ?
[23:08] <Carbonero> espera ai, essa porra desligou
[23:08] <Carbonero> chutei a tomada
[23:08] <Mangusto> Carbonero: Cuidado, ou você vai acabar sendo banido
[23:09] <Carbonero> desculpa
[23:10] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: é, palavras apropriadas a um berçário, por favor.
[23:12] <Carbonero> tenho acesso ao /var/log
[23:13] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: procure por erros nestes arquivos
[23:14] <Carbonero> e como faço isso? sou iniciante
[23:16] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: lendo?
[23:16] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: iniciante desde 2013
[23:16] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: tenso hein!
[23:16] <Carbonero> sim
[23:17] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: para abrir arquivos você pode utilizar more arquivo.txt
[23:17] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: cat arquivo.txt
[23:17] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: less arquivo.txt
[23:17] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: nano arquivo.txt
[23:17] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: vi arquivo.txt
[23:18] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: os dois últimos são editores
[23:18] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: os 3 primeiros são "visualizadores"
[23:18] <Carbonero> ok, vou ver aqui
[23:18] <hugutux> Carbonero, vai de nano /var/log/syslog correto Geese_Howard ??
[23:19] <Geese_Howard> hugutux: seria um começo
[23:19] <hugutux> Eu prefiro usar o nano acho melhor pra navegar.. e tem um how to no rodapé
[23:20] <hugutux> Carbonero, mas falae, qual o modelo do note? as vezes a gente já fala de um erro congênito!
[23:20] <hugutux> hehe
[23:20] <hugutux> Carbonero, a gente já ouviu falar**
[23:21] <Carbonero> eMachines D442
[23:21] <Carbonero> é um xingling antigo
[23:22] <hugutux> Carbonero, da uma olhada nesse site, as vezes acha algo que seja interessante!
[23:22] <hugutux> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/
[23:23] <hugutux> podem existir outros também..
[23:24] <Carbonero> vou ver
[23:27] <Carbonero> estou no /var/log/syslog
[23:28] <Carbonero> tem uma linha que está: NX (execute disable) protection (active)
[23:29] <Carbonero> o que significa isso?
[23:30] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: a execução do NX [compression technology?] está desabilitado
[23:34] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: não sei qual o contexto deste NX
[23:34] <LeandroLuiz> voltei amigos
[23:34] <Geese_Howard> pode ser um serviço, um módulo, um protocolo
[23:34] <LeandroLuiz> o hggdh me desbaniu finalmente
[23:34] <LeandroLuiz> hggdh: obrigado
[23:34] <Mangusto> LeandroLuiz: Por que te baniram ?
[23:35] <LeandroLuiz> Mangusto: não sei cara.. sou sempre legal.. =/
[23:35] <Geese_Howard> Mangusto: dica, pergunte isto no outro canal
[23:35] <Geese_Howard> Mangusto: é offtopic
[23:35] <Mangusto> Eaoehaoehae
[23:35] <LeandroLuiz> é
[23:35] <LeandroLuiz> se não vai levar um ban
[23:35] <LeandroLuiz> tb
[23:35] <LeandroLuiz> aqui a chapa é quente
[23:38] <hggdh> nem tanto. São poucas, as regras (que, obviamente, ninguém le. Mas, como era dito em um código legal, a ninguém é dado o desconhecer a lei.
[23:38] <hggdh> LeandroLuiz: de nada.
[23:39] <LeandroLuiz> chapa queeeente
[23:39] <Carbonero> Geese, vou ler aqui, ver se entendo e te passo os resultados depois, já é um começo valeu!
[23:42] <Geese_Howard> Carbonero: não quero os resultados, quero suas impressões. Se tiver dúvidas pergunte. A avaliação é sua, só posso te ajudar.
[23:43] <Carbonero> digo o resultado do que fiz, no caso. Não vou colocar um ctrl+v aqui
[23:44] <Carbonero> quero ver o que consigo entender aqui
[23:46] <Geese_Howard> excelente!
[23:46] <Carbonero> Já é um começo, valeu mesmo!
[23:55] <iced> Boa noite
[23:56] <astroo-> ola
[23:57] <Geese_Howard> iced: noite
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.702083
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Alison",
"Carbonero",
"Ferrhcp",
"Geese",
"Geese_Howard",
"KurtKraut",
"LeandroLuiz",
"M3r|iM",
"Mangusto",
"MerliM",
"PauloBrEs",
"Poca",
"Proteus_",
"Proteus__",
"Vico",
"annakamilla",
"astroo-",
"cptjs",
"edenc",
"edu141415",
"elisboa",
"eloi_carneiro",
"hggdh",
"hugutux",
"iced",
"mirqui",
"neskau",
"oliverio",
"picasso_",
"rafael",
"rafaelsoaresbr",
"rubrk",
"shallwe",
"vinyciustargino",
"vlm42"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-br.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-br"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-locoteams
|
[00:57] <nhaines> tsimonq2: There's no "active". Just start meeting and planning events.
[00:58] <nhaines> After about six months, if you are still active and have plans for the future, you can submit a verification application to receive Verified Team status. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[00:58] <tsimonq2> THAT is what I was kinda asking about
[00:58] <tsimonq2> thanks
[01:00] <nhaines> tsimonq2: you're welcome. But remember, "verified" status basically just means that when you submit a request to Canonical, they know that you have a proven track record. There's nothing you can't or shouldn't do as far as events or representing Ubuntu regardless of status. :)
[01:02] <tsimonq2> :) ok
[11:51] <ahoneybun> jose: I am willing for sure, I just need a confirm about the times and I'm down
[11:54] <ahoneybun> o/ dholbach
[11:54] <dholbach> hi ahoneybun
[11:58] <ahoneybun> dholbach: http://docs.kubuntu.org/
[11:59] <dholbach> wow - nice work!
[11:59] <dholbach> what do you use to make the site?
[11:59] <ahoneybun> thanks
[11:59] <ahoneybun> sphinx
[11:59] <ahoneybun> some scripts in it make the html and css from text files
[12:00] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[12:03] <dholbach> ah, great
[12:03] <dholbach> that's what we use for packaging.ubuntu.com too
[12:04] <ahoneybun> I see cool
[12:19] <jose> ahoneybun: that's great :) remember you only have a couple days
[12:20] <ahoneybun> to put my name in?
[12:30] <ahoneybun> how do I do that jose?
[12:31] <jose> I'll do that for you. so it's a yes? :D
[12:37] <ahoneybun> if the time works
[12:56] <ahoneybun> jose: if google calendar converted the fridge right I can make the meetings
[12:58] <jose> fridge is utc
[12:58] <ahoneybun> it says GMT
[12:58] <ahoneybun> which is at 8pm in GMT but google converts it to my timezone I think which would be 3pm
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.714591
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ahoneybun",
"dholbach",
"jose",
"nhaines",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-locoteams.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-locoteams"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-desktop
|
[00:33] <n8s> hi there channel
[00:33] <n8s> anyone around to help me with a mouse question?
[06:11] <hikiko> hi
[06:15] <didrocks> good morning!
[07:06] <darkxst> seb128, bug 1511542
[07:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:07] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:07] <seb128> what about it?
[07:08] <didrocks> hey darkxst, seb128
[07:08] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[07:08] <darkxst> seb128, webkit2gtk build failure
[07:08] <darkxst> hey didrocks seb128
[07:09] <seb128> darkxst, right, see backlog from yesterday, Laney pinged doko about it to know if there is a workaround
[07:10] <seb128> but I don't think he got one
[07:15] <darkxst> I don't think there is one
[07:15] <darkxst> upstream seem to know what the problem is, but no patches as yet
[07:46] <larsu_> good morning!
[08:02] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:03] <larsu> seb128: great thanks! Sitting in a cafe drinking orange mint juice
[08:03] <larsu> how about you?
[08:03] <seb128> orange mint, interesting ;-)
[08:03] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:03] <larsu> hey Trevinho!
[08:03] <Trevinho> Hey larsu
[08:03] <Trevinho> This "new life", made me become an early bird... :o
[08:03] <seb128> larsu, I'm good thanks, played some tennis yesterday evening and now I just moved from morning-email-reading-in the couch to my desk (with some bread&jam&coffee in between)
[08:04] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:04] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[08:04] <larsu> seb128: tasty!
[08:07] <didrocks> hey larsu, Trevinho!
[08:07] <larsu> morning didrocks! Ça va?
[08:07] <Trevinho> hi didrocks
[08:07] <didrocks> ça va et toi ?
[08:08] <larsu> nickel
[08:19] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the notify-osd fix!
[08:20] <larsu> seb128: yw!
[08:38] <didrocks> hum, do I miss anything obvious? https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89173490
[08:38] <didrocks> I do install python3-yaml
[08:38] <didrocks> runtests is /usr/bin/env python3
[08:41] <larsu> didrocks: weird!
[08:41] <didrocks> isn't it?
[08:41] <larsu> works locally in my system (but it is xenial)
[08:41] <larsu> maybe some issue with python3-yaml in t?
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, dpkg -L python3-yaml | grep .so ?
[08:42] <didrocks> can be, but I think we would have noticed first (and the tests on the jenkins dc works)
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I guess I'm going to do that (forced to push a branch for each commit though)
[08:43] <didrocks> let's see https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89174966
[08:43] <seb128> the deb seems fine, weird
[08:44] <didrocks> but it passed the other imports before failing
[08:45] <didrocks> yeah, the deb seems fine in the env as well
[08:46] * didrocks tries to prepend runtests with "python" in case /usr/bin/env python3 refers to python2…
[08:46] <didrocks> (that would be silly, but meh)
[08:47] <didrocks> https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89175345
[08:47] <larsu> that website is pretty cool
[08:47] <larsu> didn't know they updated logs without refresh
[08:48] <didrocks> yep no, didn't work…
[08:48] <larsu> are you sure python is 3?
[08:48] <larsu> it's not for me on x
[08:48] <didrocks> larsu: see python --version on top
[08:48] * larsu nods
[08:48] <didrocks> the weird part is that other imports work first: https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/blob/master/runtests#L21
[08:55] <didrocks> ok, at least that confirms: https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89176238
[08:58] * didrocks tries with another non built-in module like pexpect
[08:59] <didrocks> ok same: https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89176783
[08:59] <didrocks> so, it means that non of built-in modules are working, I guess it's the triggers compiling them in .pyc failing
[09:00] <didrocks> (or not running)
[09:00] <seb128> could well be
[09:01] <didrocks> found it: http://docs.travis-ci.com/user/languages/python/#Travis-CI-Uses-Isolated-virtualenvs
[09:02] <didrocks> so, it means I have to roll back on testing in virtualenv (meaning, compiling python-apt not available in pip)
[09:04] <Laney> homies
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:06] <seb128> hoi Laney
[09:07] <didrocks> oh right, but python3-gi isn't available either on pypy… :/
[09:09] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128
[09:09] <Laney> how are you?
[09:11] <seb128> good! had fun at tennis yesterday
[09:11] <seb128> what about you?
[09:11] <Laney> are you good enough to compete now? ;-)
[09:11] <Laney> climbing + pub quiz was good
[09:12] <Laney> there was a question about germany which I knew from my trip!
[09:13] <seb128> I'm good enough to play matches with other beginners and have fun
[09:13] <seb128> I even sometime manage to challenge people that a better technically than me so it's good ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> which one?
[09:14] <Laney> what was the capital of west germany?
[09:14] <Laney> wouldn't have known that before
[09:14] * Laney youth
[09:16] <seb128> yeah, I wouldn't have known either
[09:18] <Laney> :-)
[09:22] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:28] <Laney> hey larsu!
[09:29] <Laney> you good?
[09:30] <larsu> Laney: very, thanks. Did you win the quiz?
[09:30] <Laney> nah
[09:30] <Laney> I didn't know what the name of the first Rolls Royce car was
[09:31] <Laney> or the area that the McFlys live in in Back To The Future
[09:31] <larsu> wow, hard questions
[09:32] <Laney> I also can't remember what the answers were :P
[09:32] <larsu> lol
[09:32] <Laney> hope they don't come up ever again in my life
[09:37] <didrocks> ugliest hack ever \o/
[09:37] <didrocks> (can't use a system virtualenv and can't install gobject in pypy, so had to do it :/)
[09:55] <andyrock> morning
[09:56] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[10:09] <davmor2> didrocks: that's an outrageous lie, ever is a long time I'm sure you will come up with something uglier :P
[10:10] <didrocks> ahah
[10:57] <didrocks> ok, found a less-worse way to "fix it" (and escape from virtualenv)
[10:59] <Laney> well done!
[11:02] <didrocks> https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/commit/db38b8c53c1729d0eaa7e95b6c0a8c173bf912d4 :p
[11:03] <didrocks> the "magic" was just to add /usr/bin to PATH (before the virtualenv one)
[11:03] <didrocks> trying to have virtualenv both liking pure-python module (with PYTHONPATH), but also compiled one (like python-apt) was a nightmare…
[11:03] <didrocks> and https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/builds/89194583 should be happy again :)
[11:04] * didrocks will then readd badge and run that on PR (even if it's only pep8 and small tests, that's already something…)
[11:04] * didrocks should see if the access to dockerhub is granted to run medium tests…
[11:04] <didrocks> large tests, I doubt, there isn't a full machine with unity installed
[11:20] <Trevinho> seb128: do you know why it might happen that - only on i386 and in jekins - unity tries to run make check also (not only make check-headless)
[11:21] <seb128> Trevinho, no idea
[11:21] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, np... i didn't see antyhing weird on rules about that
[11:21] <seb128> could be something in the env, special hack or something...
[12:09] <pitti> Good morning
[12:09] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[12:09] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! wieder 5:30 aufgewacht...
[12:10] <pitti> i. e. seems I'm in perfect sync with the timezone, just like at home :)
[12:10] <seb128> I was going to say :-)
[12:12] <pitti> how are you guys?
[12:12] <Laney> ahoy pitti
[12:15] <didrocks> yeah pitti!
[12:16] * pitti ^5s Laney and didrocks
[12:16] <seb128> pitti, good! busy doing debian merges and updates ;-)
[12:16] <seb128> pitti, how is the sprint going?
[12:17] <pitti> seb128: quite well indeed! mostly worked on the autopkgtest MaaS stuff yesterday, and some small apport fixes with Brian (more of that today)
[12:17] <larsu> morning pitti!
[12:17] <larsu> too bad you're not in Berlin though ;)
[12:17] <pitti> hey larsu!
[12:18] <pitti> larsu: yeah, I'm regretting this too
[12:18] <larsu> pitti: I might go for you
[12:18] <pitti> larsu: prepped my talk with Michael last week, but won't be able to present it with him
[12:18] <larsu> pitti: oh? Why not?
[12:18] <seb128> larsu, what is in Berlin?
[12:18] <larsu> seb128: systemd conference
[12:18] <pitti> larsu: because 7000 km? :-)
[12:18] <seb128> oh, ok
[12:19] <larsu> pitti: oh, a talk here... I thought in Austin
[12:29] <attente> good morning
[12:32] <larsu> morning attente!
[12:38] <pitti> wow, it's not totally foggy today, time for some running
[12:38] <Laney> indeed, I can see the prison up the hill today
[12:38] <Laney> such joy
[12:52] <seb128> hey attente
[12:57] <desrt> good morning desktop
[12:57] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:57] <seb128> looks like I got used to you being on an european tz, it's feeling weird to see you get online now ;-)
[12:58] * desrt is almost back in the fold of things
[12:59] <desrt> but first: breakfast!
[13:04] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[13:14] <willcooke> Laney, ara confirmed that the HW Cert tests are using the normal ISOs, but uses Ubiquity pre-seeds
[13:15] <willcooke> Laney, but we can't run them "on demand" on their infra. Considering our options, perhaps we can get our own infra to test on? Finding out...
[13:25] <seb128> RAOF, hey, do you plan to update colord(-gtk) in Debian/xenial?
[13:29] <didrocks> and webstorm just fixed their md5sum :p
[13:30] <willcooke> :D
[13:34] <seb128> TheMuso, there is a gnome-orca .1 update, would be nice if you could have a look
[14:02] <RAOF> seb128: Yes. Let me check my git repository...
[14:03] <seb128> RAOF, hey, I didn't expect you to be up ... are you in Austin?
[14:03] <RAOF> No, London.
[14:05] <seb128> oh, ok ;-)
[14:07] <RAOF> Oh, so colord 1.2.12 is in git. And I haven't tried to upload it because...
[14:07] <Laney> willcooke: when are they run then?
[14:11] <willcooke> Laney, cron job by the sounds of things. Going to see if I can get a meeting with someone on their team next week to get all the low down details. I will let you know when that is
[14:11] <Laney> righto
[14:12] <Laney> Not sure we want to be on the hook maintaining some infrastructure...
[14:12] <Laney> these new ubiquity tests will already be better
[14:12] <willcooke> yeah
[14:12] <willcooke> Laney, you've got mail
[14:12] <Laney> how exciting!
[14:13] <Laney> Subject: P45 enclosed
[14:13] <Laney> :(
[14:13] <willcooke> It's from this guy whose uncle is some big deal in Nigeria. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal
[14:13] <willcooke> Is 419 even a thing any more? I miss those guys
[14:16] <Laney> Ah they offer to merge changes
[14:16] <Laney> maybe it wouldn't be too hard...
[14:16] * Laney runs
[14:22] <qengho> Oh, Larissa. She's so wise.
[14:22] <willcooke> qengho, I thought Marrisa was his favourite
[14:23] <qengho> willcooke: I think Marissa is responsible for the ducks.
[14:23] <willcooke> :D
[14:49] <mhall119> willcooke: are you all set for your developer destkop session?
[14:49] <willcooke> mhall119, yeah all good thanks
[15:01] <willcooke> It's the desktop session at UOS now. desktoppers: if you want to join the call: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH-spuCQ64ZSU22T5-bbBTyadsSoxk_ogT9vAXnTefcoiR-w?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
[15:02] * didrocks goes to IRC channel
[15:04] <hikiko> +1
[15:06] <Laney> what is the channel?
[15:07] <Laney> oh!
[15:07] <larsu> Laney: hm? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22576/developer-desktop-plan-1604/
[15:07] <Laney> the IRC channel
[15:08] <Laney> there now
[15:08] <larsu> oh maybe I should join that as well :)
[15:08] <attente> i have to take my dad to the doctor, bbl
[15:08] <Laney> gl
[15:08] <Laney> !
[15:10] <Laney> trying: glib2.0 accepted: glib2.0
[15:10] <Laney> woot
[15:17] <pitti> \o/
[15:17] <pitti> Laney: you fixed why?
[15:17] <Laney> I forced it
[15:17] <Laney> started working up the stack of uninsts to get it to pass
[15:17] <Laney> but it's like 4 levels deep, didn't fancy waiting for that
[15:20] <Laney> should get it uploaded today hopefully
[15:20] <Laney> in time to sync glib tomorrow after I upload it to exp shortly ;-)
[15:22] <Laney> shortly> not started working on it yet though
[15:45] <mhall119> bregma: are you all set for the legacy apps support session in ~15 min?
[15:47] <bregma> mhall119, as ready as I'll ever be
[15:47] <seb128> Trevinho, let me know if you need debug info about bug #1513110
[15:47] <seb128> I've it too and though it was maybe a local issue and waited to restart my session
[15:48] <seb128> it seems u-p-s exit when clicking a menu
[15:48] <bregma> mhall119, we have a demo video, is there a way to play that over a hangout?
[15:48] <seb128> no segfault in gdb
[15:48] <seb128> just process exits
[15:48] <Laney> what made that start?
[15:48] <Laney> new unity didn't migrate
[15:49] <seb128> dunno, I had 300M of xenial updates yesterday
[15:49] <Laney> you are on the previous one right?
[15:49] <seb128> do you see the issue as well?
[15:49] <Laney> didn't restart session
[15:49] <seb128> ii unity 7.3.2+15.10.20151016-0ubuntu1 i386 Interface designed for efficiency of space and interaction.
[15:49] <Laney> so yes
[15:49] <seb128> Laney, try to killall unity-panel-service it might be enough
[15:49] <mhall119> bregma: screen share is the best way I think
[15:49] <pitti> oh, menu bar trouble?
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, yes
[15:50] <pitti> cyphermox filed bug 1513110
[15:50] <Laney> naughty bug reporter
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, yeah, see backlog
[15:50] <Laney> not including the version
[15:50] <Laney> :)
[15:50] <willcooke> bregma, I'm due to be in a Python 3 session in 10 mins - do you need me to be in the legacy apps session?
[15:51] <bregma> willcooke, no, we're really just talking about Libertine then taking questions
[15:51] <willcooke> bregma, I have questions!! ;)
[15:51] <bregma> I mean, you're welcome to come but it's OK if you don't
[15:51] <bregma> maybe it's better if you don't
[15:51] <willcooke> bregma, I'll catch up with the recording in the morning
[15:56] <Laney> seb128: got it on a quite small upgrade set
[15:56] <Laney> nux, gtk in there :)
[15:58] <bregma_> mhall119, uh, how do I set up a hangout for UOS again?
[15:59] * bregma_ makes a sad face
[16:01] <didrocks> bregma_: I guess the "all set" was to ensure you were prepared :p
[16:01] <didrocks> bregma_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, I hope it's not gtk :p
[16:01] <Laney> isn't
[16:01] <Laney> tried downgrading it already
[16:02] <didrocks> nuxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;)
[16:02] <Laney> nope
[16:02] <Laney> unless I am messing up reproducing this :)
[16:03] <willcooke> bregma_, you sorted? I can guide you if not
[16:04] <Laney> got it
[16:04] <Laney> TREVINHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[16:04] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/15.02.0+16.04.20151028.2-0ubuntu1
[16:04] <Laney> spot the problem
[16:05] <pitti> Version: 0.5.2~bzr0+15.10.20150627.1-0ubuntu1 isn't enough?
[16:05] <pitti> (of bamf)
[16:05] <Laney> fail
[16:06] <Laney> i bet the new symbols didn't get a high enough version
[16:06] <Trevinho> seb128: I think it's the last nux change fault...
[16:06] <Trevinho> Can you check it?
[16:06] <Laney> you think wrong
[16:06] <seb128> Laney, did you restart u-p-s in between?
[16:06] <Trevinho> Laney: no there are two issues
[16:07] <Trevinho> the visual one is nux problem
[16:07] <seb128> what "visual"?
[16:07] <seb128> what I see there is that u-p-s "exit" on clicks
[16:10] <Laney> I'm going to revert this indicator-appmenu upload
[16:10] <Laney> Trevinho: can you fix bamf's .symbols file to have a high enough new version and rebuild it please?
[16:10] <seb128> [Inferior 1 (process 27832) exited with code 0177]
[16:10] <Laney> I think you can use 0replaceme?
[16:11] <seb128> Laney, it's appmenu's fault?
[16:11] <Laney> yes
[16:11] <Trevinho> Laney: but...... is that because not properly linked or what?
[16:11] <Laney> the new symbols didn't get a high enough version
[16:11] <Laney> so you got a depends which was insufficient
[16:11] <Trevinho> ah
[16:11] <Laney> so it went in before bamf did...
[16:11] <seb128> is that because bamf didn't migrate?
[16:11] <didrocks> yeah, it should have used 0replaceme
[16:12] <seb128> and bamf is blocked by the big transition?
[16:12] <Laney> indeed
[16:12] <Laney> but the depends is wrong anyway
[16:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: 0replaceme means? /me newbie on symbols files
[16:12] <Laney> it's a train magic
[16:12] <didrocks> Trevinho: it's a CI Train trick, it's "replace this string with the version that is going to be released"
[16:12] <Laney> to put the upstream version number in
[16:12] <didrocks> (as the train generates its own version number)
[16:13] <didrocks> so you can't predict future, only the train has the truth here :p
[16:13] <didrocks> 0 is used at first because you can't have non digits as first version characters in a symbol file
[16:14] * didrocks should have put 42 or so, but I was afraid of a bug not changing the version and blocking people for most version ;)
[16:14] <didrocks> Trevinho: and as you asked for doc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I.27m_exposing_a_new_C.2BAC8-C.2B-.2B-_symbols_in_my_library.2C_it_seems_that_some_packaging_changes_are_needed.2BICY- :)
[16:15] <Trevinho> ah
[16:15] <didrocks> or http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Unity%3A-release-early,-release-often%E2%80%A6-release-daily!-(part-3) :)
[16:15] <didrocks> waow, I really did write a lot of doc at the daily release time
[16:15] <Trevinho> And I also read that at the time,... :(
[16:15] <Trevinho> Sorry I forgot
[16:15] <jcastro> what's the package name for GNOME Software in xenial? it's tough to search for
[16:16] <didrocks> Trevinho: no worry ;)
[16:16] <seb128> jcastro, it's not in the archive
[16:16] <seb128> it depends on packagekit 1.0 which is blocked on mvo_ to land some click work
[16:16] <seb128> mvo_, ^ what's the status of that?
[16:18] <Laney> Trevinho: do you understand what to do?
[16:18] <Trevinho> Laney: for your pleasure https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/0.5.2-replaceme0/+merge/276670
[16:19] <Trevinho> Laney: So, what's next should I do a new silo with this and indicator-appmenu?
[16:19] <Laney> Trevinho: use the same one
[16:19] <Trevinho> OK
[16:19] <Laney> just push a new merge, rebuild bamf, rebuild indicator-appmenu, publish that
[16:19] <Trevinho> ok
[16:19] <Trevinho> Laney: can you approve the branch?
[16:20] <Laney> didrocks: ^ merge looks good to you?
[16:21] <didrocks> Laney: Trevinho: just top approved! :)
[16:22] <Trevinho> fair enough
[16:22] <Trevinho> thaks
[16:22] <Trevinho> n^
[16:25] <Laney> I uploaded the revert
[16:26] <Laney> need that to migrate before we publish another one
[16:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:34] <Laney> any time!
[16:34] <seb128> mterry, do you plan to merge duplicity? (it's showing as outdated compared to upstream/debian on our versions page)
[16:34] <seb128> Laney, do you want me to look at gst-plugins-base1.0 or is that on your list for this week?
[16:35] <mterry> seb128, I hadn't looked at merges with my name on them yet. I can do duplicity
[16:35] <Laney> still there
[16:35] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:35] <Laney> glib first
[16:35] <Laney> probably tomorrow
[16:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: I see you've merged nspr, are you doing nss too?
[16:43] <mdeslaur> (just curious before I look at it)
[16:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, no, I had a look and it was less trivial
[16:45] <sarnold> sorry mdeslaur :)
[16:45] <seb128> I'm mostly trying to clean red items from http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/ubuntu-desktop.html
[16:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: np, thanks
[16:46] <mdeslaur> wow, that's a lot of red :P
[16:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, can you do curl as well? you seem to unsually do it, robert_ancell did an upload for a small change but I doubt he's looking at the merges page or is going to do it
[16:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, yeah :-/
[16:46] <seb128> well look at the bottom chart, it's not that much overall
[16:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: sure, I'll do it
[16:47] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[16:48] <seb128> mdeslaur, we are improving btw, that was a week ago, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/Capture%20du%202015-10-27%2013-35-28.png
[16:48] <mdeslaur> nice
[16:48] <seb128> :-)
[16:53] <seb128> oh, didrocks has the plymouth merge under his name ;-)
[16:53] <didrocks> should be because of the fsck theme
[16:53] <Laney> the update police are patrolling
[16:54] <Laney> everybody look busy!
[16:54] <seb128> lol
[17:14] * Sweet5hark looks busy/
[17:22] <Laney> Trevinho: you needed to wait before building stuff against the new bamf
[17:22] <Trevinho> Laney: why? Isn't the new bamf already on the ppa?
[17:23] <Laney> ah wait, you did?
[17:23] <Trevinho> yes
[17:23] <Laney> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-1-build/329/console
[17:23] <Laney> I got confused maybe
[17:23] <Laney> because of 2015-11-04 17:15:21,997 INFO Including bamf, compiz, indicator-appmenu, nux, unity.
[17:23] <Laney> but the ppa itself looks right
[17:24] <Laney> Depends: libbamf3-2 (>= 0.5.2~bzr0+16.04.20151104),
[17:25] <Trevinho> Laney: it looks fine yes...
[17:25] <didrocks> looks like… today!
[17:25] <Laney> you rock!
[17:25] <Laney> I suck!
[17:59] <didrocks> have a good evening guys!
[18:00] <Laney> :|
[18:02] <jcastro> if I had unity8 feedback is that here or #ubuntu-touch?
[18:02] <willcooke> jcastro, #ubuntu-unity is probably the right place
[18:02] <jcastro> ack
[18:03] <Laney> alright, i'm out too
[18:03] <Laney> laterzZzZz
[18:06] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[19:18] <willcooke> gnight all
[22:13] <qengho> Zzz
[22:15] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: yo, I'm back
[22:15] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: do we really need to discuss usb-creator much or is it a JFDI?
[22:16] <cyphermox> because I could just as well merge your code or whatever if you're already happy with it, and we don't need to be sitting around the same table
[22:16] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: find someone to accept my merge proposal, and we'll bump the version to 0.3 or something
[22:16] <cyphermox> I'll take care of all of it
[22:16] <mdeslaur> have you tried it&
[22:17] <cyphermox> not yet
[22:17] <cyphermox> I'll merge and test and all, starting nowish
[22:18] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: the only thing I would like to see is a fix for the cancel button
[22:18] <cyphermox> ok
[22:18] <cyphermox> well I'll hack on this today and tomorrow
[22:18] <mdeslaur> but that's not critical, can be fixed whenever before release
[22:20] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: want me to bump the version and add a debian/changelog entry before you merge it?
[22:20] <cyphermox> nah
[22:20] <cyphermox> there's more code changes to do along with it
[22:20] <mdeslaur> oh?
[22:20] <mdeslaur> ah, right
[23:51] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rjbj4/ama_request_for_libreoffice_team/
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.730770
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Laney",
"RAOF",
"Sweet5hark",
"Trevinho",
"andyrock",
"attente",
"bregma",
"bregma_",
"cyphermox",
"darkxst",
"davmor2",
"desrt",
"didrocks",
"hikiko",
"jcastro",
"larsu",
"larsu_",
"mdeslaur",
"mhall119",
"mterry",
"n8s",
"pitti",
"qengho",
"sarnold",
"seb128",
"willcooke"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-desktop.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-desktop"
}
|
2015-11-04-#xubuntu-devel
|
[00:02] <knome> is is too much work to keep the source dirs as is?
[00:02] <knome> i mean, it doesn't sound like a huge issue even then
[00:03] <knome> we're cp'ing dirs anyway
[00:03] <krytarik> Nope, no extra work, the opposite really.
[00:03] <krytarik> But, inconsistency... :P
[00:04] <knome> we have that already though...
[00:05] <knome> and there's the rationale that descriptive names are better for contributors working on the docs
[00:06] <knome> and shorter names better on the built docs
[00:06] <krytarik> No no, I'd just change "desktop-guide" to "user-docs".
[00:07] <krytarik> (And leave "contributor-docs".)
[00:07] <knome> i'll make slickymaster decide :P
[00:07] <krytarik> \o/
[00:08] <knome> anyway, can we make the script support both templates now?
[00:08] <knome> and make the building work with the new structure
[00:09] <krytarik> Only 'pdf-create.sh' needs to be adapted, the rest is all in the Makefiles.
[00:10] <knome> oki
[00:10] <krytarik> We'll first have to fix the directory structure though.
[00:10] <knome> sure
[00:10] <knome> if you do MP's for that, i can merge them into main
[00:10] <krytarik> Also, we'll have to create a startpage for contrib.
[00:10] <knome> mmmm.. nope actually
[00:10] <knome> i was thinking we'd just use the same startpage for both
[00:11] <krytarik> Yeah, that'd work too, I guess.
[00:11] <knome> but let's leave that for $later
[00:13] <krytarik> Ok, I'll work on the whole thing in the next days then - except the startpage.
[00:15] <knome> cheers
[00:15] <knome> i'll be off most of the day tomorrow
[00:15] <knome> but back in the evening
[00:16] <krytarik> That is, I'll move the current one along the user docs, and have none for the contrib ones.
[00:16] <knome> :)
[00:16] <krytarik> + with
[00:16] <bluesabre> evening folks
[00:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hi.
[00:16] <knome> hey seany
[00:18] <bluesabre> hey guys
[00:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, 11utc is a-ok!
[00:19] <knome> b-notok
[00:19] <knome> c-idontknow
[00:19] <bluesabre> I pick c
[00:19] <knome> ENOTANOPTIONGIVENBYFLOCCULANT
[00:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: the overlay scrollbars in synaptic... yeah, apps running as root don't have the same environment
[00:21] <Unit193> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session ? :D
[00:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, but those vars are not in the session when running as root
[00:30] <krytarik> knome: You aware that the contrib docs' .pot isn't updated yet, after the latest additions?
[00:30] <knome> krytarik, yes
[00:30] <krytarik> Alright.
[00:30] <knome> krytarik, i'm not exactly waiting for translations there yet, either
[00:31] <krytarik> And much stuff to be added still too.
[00:31] <knome> yep
[00:31] <knome> and likely somewhat lot changed
[00:31] <krytarik> Yep.
[00:31] <knome> so yeah, not worried yet
[00:40] <kauefr> l
[00:40] <knome> m
[00:40] <Unit193> n
[00:41] <knome> :Ð
[00:42] <Unit193> Yes?
[00:42] <knome> l, m, n, op
[00:43] <knome> clever, right?
[00:56] <bluesabre> stop breaking things you two!
[00:56] <bluesabre> :D
[00:56] <knome> wut?
[00:56] * knome drops the vase
[00:56] <knome> OOOPS
[00:56] <bluesabre> FSLKFJDSKLFJDSLK
[00:57] <bluesabre> mic check, 1 2 1 2
[00:57] <knome> an angry, voiceful bluesabre appears
[00:57] <bluesabre> :D
[00:58] <bluesabre> :@
[00:58] <bluesabre> >:D
[00:58] <bluesabre> O.o
[00:58] <bluesabre> o.O
[00:58] <bluesabre> >.<
[00:58] <knome> @ = cinnamon bun
[00:58] <meetingology> knome: Error: "=" is not a valid command.
[00:58] <bluesabre> :p
[00:58] <knome> wellll...
[00:59] <knome> that was surprising
[00:59] <knome> NOT
[00:59] <bluesabre> :[@]
[00:59] <knome> big-mouthed bluesabre
[01:00] <knome> "look ma, a whole cinnamon bun in my mouth!"
[01:10] <kauefr> Thanks everyone for another wonderful release. Xubuntu is the best distro and it gets even better every release. Thank you.
[01:14] <knome> kauefr, you're welcome and thanks for the feedback
[01:18] <bluesabre> guess we can't mess it up for 16.04 then
[01:18] <bluesabre> :)
[01:18] <knome> of course we can
[01:18] <bluesabre> knome: -v me please
[01:18] <knome> make bluesabre design the walpaper
[01:18] <knome> +l
[01:18] <knome> lol
[01:18] <knome> wait
[01:19] <bluesabre> danke
[01:19] <knome> actually you can do it yourself
[01:19] <knome> just s/voice/devoice/ in the command
[01:19] <knome> ...iirc
[01:20] <bluesabre> nope
[01:20] <knome> hmm
[01:20] <bluesabre> not a channel operator
[01:20] <knome> :D
[01:21] <knome> silly
[01:22] <knome> oh
[01:22] <knome> it was Unit193 who gave you that :D
[01:22] * knome giggles
[01:22] <Unit193> :D
[01:23] <Unit193> And yes, /cs devoice works.
[02:00] <kauefr> Just filed a bug report (#1512922), I hope I did it right.
[02:00] <Unit193> LP #1512922
[07:11] <flocculant> can't make contributors anymore
[07:56] <Unit193> flocculant: make contributors-html
[07:59] <flocculant> mmm - why so?
[07:59] <flocculant> just out of interest you understand
[08:02] <Unit193> Sure, because for the user docs the targets are 'html', 'style', 'translate', etc. So in order for it to follow suit, same deal. Also, -html only runs html, not clean or anything (I added clean to the global clean target.)
[08:02] <flocculant> k - think I get that :)
[08:02] <flocculant> thanks Unit193 :)
[18:48] <flocculant> ubuntu dropping software centre apparently - what does that mean for us and having it for 3 years ?
[18:52] <bbrawner> flocculant: They're going to replace it with the gnome software center
[18:53] <ali1234> who is they?
[18:54] <bbrawner> ali1234: Canonical? I'm not sure
[18:54] <bbrawner> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[18:54] <bbrawner> I just heard this from the online summit
[18:54] <bbrawner> I think it was in the Python 3 talk that they mentioned it
[19:10] <flocculant> nothing official yet, but if it does happen we need to be aware if we have it for 3 years
[19:12] <flocculant> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-python3-only-on-the-images
[19:23] <dkessel> next meeting is not on the team calendar :p
[19:24] <flocculant> wouldn't be - no-one's done that
[19:24] <flocculant> and the date is stc ;)
[19:24] <dkessel> oh right, there was that discussion
[19:24] <dkessel> sorry, now i remember
[19:24] <flocculant> :)
[19:25] <dkessel> well i probably would be there for a 20/21/22 utc meeting
[19:25] <flocculant> it won't be then for sure :p
[19:27] <flocculant> bluesabre micahg - can you 2 try and come up with a compromise - if it's ok for me then I'll go for that - thanks
[19:34] <dkessel> so I sent this guy to #xubuntu - any idea on how to help him? :)
[19:36] <bbrawner> Hey so I'm looking to get involved with Xubuntu, preferrably development. Where would be a good place to start?
[19:37] <dkessel> what do you guys think about trying to include xfce4-appfinder built against gtk3 for xenial?
[19:38] <dkessel> bbrawner: you might want to look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[19:38] <dkessel> and if you're interested in programming, the link "Development" might be interesting for you
[19:39] <bbrawner> dkessel: Thanks!
[19:40] <knome> bbrawner, and introducing yourself and asking here isn't a bad idea either
[19:40] <dkessel> bbrawner: feel free to ask the others questions afterwards ;) i am away for today though
[19:41] <bbrawner> Thanks guys. I work as a web developer doing mostly php and javascript but I'm familiar with python as well
[19:42] <knome> bbrawner, if we decide to run a community wallpaper contest for 16.04, those skills might come in handy - we might build a platform for the submissions
[19:43] <knome> bbrawner, and hello, i'm the website lead :)
[19:43] <bbrawner> knome: Cool, I'd love to help with that!
[19:43] <bbrawner> Nice to meet you!
[19:43] <knome> bbrawner, you familiar with wordpress?
[19:43] <knome> there's nothing right now we need done, but in the future, maybe...
[19:43] <bbrawner> knome: I do a ton of work with wordpress
[19:43] <knome> great
[19:44] <knome> fwiw, here's our theme branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme
[19:45] <bbrawner> knome: Sweet, I'll have to take a look at that
[19:45] <ali1234> anyne interested in a xubuntu image for raspberry pi?
[19:46] <ali1234> ubuntu mate released all their scripts, apparently it can build xubuntu
[19:46] <bbrawner> ali1234: Yeah, that looked interesting
[19:46] <ali1234> i'm going to try it at some point unless someone beats me to it
[19:48] <knome> ali1234, for an official image i don't think we have enough testers, but if there are volunteers to maintain it, i think we can enable a "community build"
[19:49] <knome> and for the ISO itself, why not, though i don't have a pi (at least yet)
[19:49] <ali1234> the ISO itself?
[19:49] <knome> well the image itself
[19:49] <ali1234> you don't use an install ISO on a pi...
[19:49] <knome> OH WELL
[19:49] <knome> too bad
[19:49] <knome> whatever really
[19:49] * knome shrugs
[19:50] <ali1234> it needs a special bootloader setup and has to run oem-setup on first boot
[19:51] <bbrawner> I don't have a pi either but I could use this as an excuse to get one haha
[19:55] <flocculant> ali1234: for an official thing <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: so, that's all three xubuntu-release folks... I'd suggest holding off on those pi2 builds for xubuntu
[22:00] <phillw> hi guys, I've marked http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510911 as a duplicate on the grounds it shows exactly the same symptons to me as the 'master' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447038 which was in the Wily release notes.
[23:10] <bbrawner> knome: Where can I find more info on getting involved with the website team?
[23:10] <knome> <- bbrawner
[23:10] <bbrawner> Haha, well how can I get started?
[23:11] <knome> well, as i said, at the moment we aren't looking for anything specific
[23:11] <knome> but during this cycle we might need that submission platform for wallpapers
[23:11] <phillw> hiyas knome :)
[23:11] <knome> hello phillw
[23:12] <bbrawner> Gotcha. Well I subscribed to the devel mailing list so I'll keep my eyes out for stuff on that. I'll also make it a point to log into this chat whenever I'm on so that I'm available if you need me
[23:12] <knome> bbrawner, great; subbing the ML is good and hanging around here is good
[23:13] <knome> and of course, if you have ideas of your own...
[23:13] <bbrawner> Sure, I'll take a look around the site and see if anything comes to mind
[23:14] <knome> http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ too
[23:14] <knome> the code for that isn't in a repository (yet)
[23:14] <knome> but i should push it at some point
[23:14] <knome> i guess at least another pair of eyes for making sure the code makes sense wouldn't be bad
[23:15] <bbrawner> Cool, I can take a look at it. Are you by chance from Finland?
[23:15] <knome> you'll also notice that website is useful for other reasons ;)
[23:15] <knome> i am :)
[23:15] <bbrawner> Olin vaihto-oppilas suomessa pari vuotta sitten :D
[23:16] <bbrawner> Haha yeah, it looks good
[23:16] <knome> oho :)
[23:16] <knome> Missä opiskelit?
[23:16] <bbrawner> Lukiossa haha
[23:16] <knome> (though we really should take that one to #xubuntu-offtopic, a favorite messaround channel for the developers)
[23:16] <bbrawner> Sounds good!
[23:20] <ochosi> flocculant: sorry, the backlog was too long but if you havent found out what to report your scrollbar issue against yet, that'd be xubuntu-default-settings. bluesabre set the scrollbars to not hide by default (which is what they do in gtk3 by default, but obviously not in gtk2)
[23:20] <knome> o hai ochosi
[23:20] <ochosi> flocculant: so yeah, that's theme-independant
[23:20] <ochosi> evening knome
[23:20] <ochosi> i saw you mentioned a greybird-hdpi theme..?
[23:20] <ochosi> is there something out there that i dont know about? :)
[23:20] <knome> i don't know
[23:21] <knome> do we not have that in a repository?
[23:21] <knome> i have it here
[23:21] <knome> O:)
[23:21] <knome> maybe that was some WIP stuff
[23:21] <ochosi> (there's even an issue about that, but i never did a theme for hdpi)
[23:21] <knome> heh
[23:21] <ochosi> yeah, only xfwm4-default has those variants
[23:21] <knome> aha
[23:21] * knome shrugs
[23:21] <knome> i have no idea where that came from then
[23:21] <knome> got no complaints though....
[23:22] * knome whistles
[23:22] <ochosi> yeah, nvm then :)
[23:24] <knome> so what's up?
[23:26] <ochosi> phu, not too much tbh :)
[23:27] <ochosi> just saw flocculant's inquiry and felt i should reply today at some point
[23:27] <ochosi> now i'm tired and should head to bed :)
[23:27] <knome> how nice of you
[23:27] <ochosi> also, i saw the news of USC being dropped, and i would be lying if i said i'm sorry about that
[23:28] <knome> we should sit down some day and plan the artwork etc blueprints
[23:28] <knome> oh, i didn't
[23:28] <knome> but ha.
[23:28] <knome> what now?
[23:28] <ochosi> i was never really a fan, and if more effort goes into gnome-software, then heck let's try that one then
[23:28] <ochosi> yeah, i added some issues from my side to -artwork
[23:28] <ochosi> haven't added anything to -devel, cause i'm unsure i'll really have time for it atm
[23:29] <ochosi> we can also decide to go back to synaptic, but it won't be a very user-friendly choice
[23:29] <knome> true
[23:29] <ochosi> (only a power-user friendly choice, and then again, most of those use cli anyway)
[23:30] <knome> yep
[23:33] <ochosi> anyway, we should put that on the agenda for next meeting
[23:34] <knome> and some blueprints...
[23:35] <ochosi> yeah, discussing blueprints in the next meeting is fine
[23:36] <knome> no, i meant we need some work items
[23:36] <ochosi> although to some extent team leads should take care of that
[23:36] <knome> but that too, probably :P
[23:36] <ochosi> thanks for up'ing the bps
[23:36] <ochosi> very sane to do that straight away
[23:37] <ochosi> anyhow, i'll install gnome software now
[23:37] <ochosi> and i guess we should all do that so we can take an informed choice
[23:37] <knome> :)
[23:37] <knome> i'll have to postpone that to next week
[23:37] <knome> but yeah, should do that
[23:38] <knome> did you see an official source for the news (eg. not OMG! Ubuntu)?
[23:39] <ochosi> nope
[23:39] <ochosi> and humm,it doesn't even seem to be freely available in the wily repos
[23:39] <ochosi> well, if you have time plz ask around whether there's any substance to this in case of doubt
[23:40] <ochosi> right, looks like the issue for that was carried forward from wily to xenial
[23:41] <ochosi> gee, it's not even in the gnome3-staging ppa...
[23:43] <knome> heh
[23:43] <knome> "nice"
[23:43] <knome> well,
[23:43] <knome> if it's going to mainbuntu LTS
[23:43] <knome> i'm sure it will go fast forward
[23:43] <ochosi> yeah
[23:43] <knome> ...or then they'll just bail out and keep USC for one more LTS
[23:43] <ochosi> right
[23:44] <knome> didn't that kind of happen with light-locker?
[23:44] <ochosi> i'd say so too
[23:44] <ochosi> ?
[23:44] <knome> i mean
[23:44] <knome> lightdm
[23:44] <ochosi> oh
[23:44] <knome> too many lights
[23:44] <ochosi> not sure now don't remember the introduction of lightdm
[23:45] <knome> i mean mainbuntu bailing otu
[23:45] <knome> *out
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.748357
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Unit193",
"ali1234",
"bbrawner",
"bluesabre",
"dkessel",
"flocculant",
"kauefr",
"knome",
"krytarik",
"meetingology",
"ochosi",
"phillw"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23xubuntu-devel.txt",
"channel": "#xubuntu-devel"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-nl
|
[17:02] <hans_> goede avond
[17:53] <hans_> krijg mijn nas schijven in ubuntu 15.10 niet auto gemount
[17:54] <hans_> normaal vraagt hij om op S te drukken bij herstart dit krijg ik ook niet meer
[17:57] <ST-84> hans_, Om op S te drukken
[17:57] <ST-84> Hoe bedoel je?
[17:58] <hans_> als ik de fsatb had aan gepast en je maakt een reboot vraagt hij de eerste keer om handmatig te mounten door op s te drukken
[17:58] <ST-84> het is e nas he
[17:58] <ST-84> Hoe mount je hem?
[17:58] <ST-84> Via sshfs?
[17:58] <ST-84> of Samba,
[17:58] <hans_> gewoon in fstab
[17:59] <ST-84> Ja
[17:59] <ST-84> Maar hoe mount je hem in fstab
[17:59] <ST-84> Met welk programma
[17:59] <hans_> zal ff de regel geven
[17:59] <ST-84> Graag.
[18:02] <hans_> http://dpaste.com/1PHK2CG
[18:02] <ST-84> Uhm
[18:02] <ST-84> Ohk
[18:03] <ST-84> Wat voor en nas praten wij over?
[18:04] <ST-84> En is dit een vaste computer of een mobiele computer?
[18:04] <hans_> een synology
[18:04] <ST-84> http://askubuntu.com/questions/334273/how-to-mount-a-synology-diskstation-nas
[18:05] <hans_> een laptop
[18:05] <hans_> ok zal er ff naar kijken
[18:05] <hans_> heeft op 14.04 altijd gewoon gewerkt
[18:05] <ST-84> Ok
[18:05] <ST-84> Ik raad fstab af op een laptop
[18:06] <ST-84> In plaats daar van
[18:06] <ST-84> Maak een service file
[18:06] <ST-84> 14.04 heeft Systemd toch?
[18:06] <hans_> en gigolo
[18:06] <hans_> ja
[18:06] <ST-84> Maak een service file die het mount op boot
[18:06] <ST-84> Want ik denk dat je computer gek wordt als je boot en hij zijn shit niet kan vinden via fstab
[18:06] <ST-84> Een service kan faalen
[18:07] <ST-84> Van fstab denk ik dat die gek wordt
[18:07] <ST-84> Service file die draaid op boot.
[18:07] <hans_> nooit problemen gehad dat is joust zo raar
[18:07] <ST-84> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Writing_unit_files
[18:07] <ST-84> In ieder geval dit is wat ik aanraad
[18:08] <hans_> word een hoop uitzoek werk voor een oob als ik
[18:08] <ST-84> Nee hoor
[18:08] <ST-84> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Writing_unit_files Legt het heel goed uit'
[18:08] <ST-84> Ik leerde het in een paar uur
[18:09] <ST-84> De wiki van arch word als een van de beste linux wikis op dit moment beschouwdt
[18:09] <OerHeks> Helaas, dat is waar.
[18:09] <hans_> ook haar repos
[18:10] <ST-84> OerHeks, Why helaas? :3
[18:10] <OerHeks> Dat zegt wat ook over onze docu :-(
[18:10] <ST-84> Ik heb heel lang arch gebruikt
[18:10] <OerHeks> met 10.04 was er nog een groep actief aan het schrijven, ik heb het gevoel dat het stilstaat.
[18:11] <ST-84> Maar ja ik vind dat er niks mis is met een third party wiki
[18:11] <ST-84> De Gentoo wiki is ook erg goed
[18:11] <ST-84> Vooral voor chrooten.
[18:15] <hans_> met gigolo werk het wel
[18:34] <ronnie> Heeft iemand een handleiding om een partitie + LVM te resizen binnen een VM. De VM HDD zelf is al vergroot, nu nog de partities zodat ik de ruimte ook echt kan gebruiken. De SWAP wil ik eigenlijk ook verkleinen. lsblk output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13104022/
[18:40] <lordievader> ronnie: Moet je met parted, o.i.d., je partitie eerst vergroten. Daarna het filesystem zelf.
[18:41] <ronnie> lordievader: Kan dit terwijl de VM zelf aan het draaien is (dus de root partitie in gebruik is)
[18:41] <ronnie> Ik heb trouwens geen GUI ...
[18:42] <oldsk00l> jow vreaagje ik heb een ntfs schijf en die komt niet door de smart test heen van linux
[18:42] <oldsk00l> wat kan ik het beste doen
[18:42] <oldsk00l> schijf is heel sloom en indexeert haast niet
[18:43] <lordievader> ronnie: Zou ik vanaf de host doen.
[18:43] <lordievader> ronnie: sudo parted /dev/mapper/<lv>
[18:43] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Veel read errors?
[18:44] <ronnie> lordievader: Ik zit in een online cloud VM, heb dus geen toegang tot de host
[18:45] <lordievader> ronnie: Wacht mogelijk begrijk ik je probleem/situatie verkeerd. Hoe ziet je disk config eruit?
[18:45] <ronnie> Je bedoeld lsblk ?: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13104022/
[18:46] <lordievader> ronnie: Nee, beschijf hoe je disk configuratie eruit ziet.
[18:46] <ronnie> Hoe bedoel je precies?
[18:47] <lordievader> ronnie: Ik dacht dat je een lv in je vm had geprikt. Ik begin nu te denken dat dit niet klopt.
[18:47] <lordievader> En ik vraag mij af hoe het wel in elkaar steekt.
[18:49] <ronnie> Ik heb in mijn online cloud omgeving de HDD vergroot naar 24GB, In die omgeving heb ik niet meer keus dan een schijf vergroten of toevoegen. Wat daar precies op de achtergrond voor aangemaakt wordt weet ik niet. Maar volgens mij heb ik daar niets mee van doen toch?
[18:49] <ronnie> Ubuntu ziet de schijf /dev/sda van de 24GB die ik heb toegewezen in de online VM
[18:50] <oldsk00l> lordievader: zal is kijken
[18:50] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Als je toch bezig bent, kun je de volledige smartctl -a output geven?
[18:50] <oldsk00l> hety is een ntfs schijf
[18:51] <oldsk00l> staan heel veel bestanden op
[18:51] <lordievader> ronnie: Oke, ik neem aan dat Ubuntu de vm is? Staat op sda de pv?
[18:51] <ronnie> Nu zit daar een boot partitie /dev/sda1, een extended /dev/sda2 met daarin een /dev/sda5 (LVM partitie). Deze /dev/sda5 is echter maar 15.8GB groot i.p.v. de 24GB
[18:51] <oldsk00l> kan ook de read errors niet zien omdat hij de self test niewt kan doen
[18:51] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Smart is veel lager dan filesystem niveau ;)
[18:51] <ronnie> Ubuntu is inderdaad de client vm
[18:52] <lordievader> ronnie: Ah, als het goed is kan het allemaal live: http://serverfault.com/questions/378086/how-to-extend-a-linux-pv-partition-online-after-virtual-disk-growth
[18:52] <lordievader> ronnie: Heb je een backup?
[18:53] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Hoe word die drive herkent?
[18:53] <ronnie> Nog niet, maar ga ik wel maken. Heb je hiervoor nog tips?
[18:54] <lordievader> ronnie: Ik gebruik zelf dirvish voor backups.
[18:56] <oldsk00l> lordievader: het begon dat hij zogenaamt niet goed was agesloten door windows
[18:56] <oldsk00l> daar heb ik al omeen gewerkt
[18:57] <oldsk00l> lordievader: als ik self test doe dan gaatr er even overheen en dan zegt hij self test faild
[18:57] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Oke, maar als wat word de schijf herkent? Sdb?
[18:58] <oldsk00l> /dev/sde1
[18:58] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Oke, wat is de output van 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sde'? (zonder '1' ;) )
[19:04] <oldsk00l> lordievader: gegvens komen er aan
[19:06] <ronnie> lordievader: ben nu de handleding door aan het lezen.. /dev/sda2 is bij mij een extended partitie, met daarop /dev/sda5 als LVM partitie. Moet ik beide partities via fdisk verwijderen en opnieuw aanmaken, of groeit /dev/sda2 of 5 automatisch mee?
[19:06] <oldsk00l> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13104636/
[19:07] <lordievader> ronnie: De kritieke punten voor een partitie tabel zijn de beginpunten en de lengtes van een partitie. Ik zou eens goed kijken naar hoe hij er nu uitziet.
[19:08] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 192 192 000 Old_age Always - 1447
[19:08] <lordievader> AU
[19:08] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Heb je er nog belangrijke data op staan?
[19:08] <oldsk00l> jup ben ik nu aan het af halen
[19:08] <ronnie> Zo dus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13104654/ (heb ik hem meteen als backup)
[19:08] <lordievader> oldsk00l: Goed zo, die schijf kun je vergeten, is toast.
[19:09] <lordievader> ronnie: Ik zou sectors als unit nemen, maargoed zoals je ziet hebben ze ongeveer hetzelfde begin en eindpunt. Dit zou ik mirroren maar dan met een langere lengte.
[19:10] <lordievader> ronnie: Kun je trouwen niet even een live-iso in de vm prikken?
[19:11] <ronnie> lordievader: dat is ook een idee, is dat een stuk gemakkelijker dan? Weet trouwens ook niet hoe ik dan toegang heb tot de live-iso
[19:11] <ronnie> Waarschijnlijk via een 'crappy' html interface ofzo
[19:12] <lordievader> ronnie: Perhaps. Als je het niet live doet is het in iedergeval makkelijker.
[19:12] <ronnie> In welke zin gemakkelijker?
[19:13] <oldsk00l> lordievader: jee; erg bedankt :)
[19:14] <lordievader> ronnie: Je hebt geen draaiend OS die bij die partities wil zijn.
[19:17] <ronnie> Thx lordievader, ik ga kijken of ik wat met die informatie kan
[19:17] <lordievader> ronnie: Success!
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.754757
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"OerHeks",
"ST-84",
"hans_",
"lordievader",
"oldsk00l",
"ronnie"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-nl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-nl"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-us-mi
|
[01:18] <rick_h__> jcastro: that's ok, it'll snow this weekend just because it can
[01:18] <rick_h__> ok, so not snow...but more typical late fall stuff
[02:36] <jrwren> global warming!
[05:30] <greg-g> global weirding
[12:00] <cmaloney> greg-g: Will check it out
[12:01] <cmaloney> unrelated: Good morning
[12:18] <rick_h__> morning
[14:02] <_stink_> yo
[14:26] <brousch> Oh sure, my new job starts in 12 days and now rick_h__ wants Python devs ;)
[14:30] <jrwren> brousch: its a SWEET project too.
[14:30] <jrwren> brousch: its almost one of those once in a lifetime opportunities to be part of something special.
[14:30] <jrwren> almost... :p
[14:31] <brousch> Ah well, after a few years at this new job I'll be a whole new level of developer
[14:32] <brousch> Working with a team of devs better than I am
[14:34] <jrwren> brousch: I hear that.
[14:35] * jgransden rethinks diving into c++ and cracks open a python book :)
[15:29] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2015/11/04/excel-and-sylk-files/
[15:32] <_stink_> haha
[18:09] <jrwren> greg-g: alan shore your schadenfreude
[18:11] <jrwren> "Shadenfreude. From the German words, Schaden and Freude, damage and joy. It means to take spiteful, malicious delight in the misfortune of others. We used to dismiss this as simply an ugly side of human nature, but it is much much more than that. Recently a Stanford professor actually captured Schadenfreude on a brain scan. It's a physiological medical phenomenon. When we see others fall it sometimes
[18:11] <jrwren> causes a chemical to be released in the dorsal striatum of the brain which actually causes us to feel pleasure. If you watch the news or read the papers, which of course you don't because the Judge said not to, but if you did, you would see the undeniable delicious joy of the media and the public over Kelly Nolan's plight. I have no doubt that you want Kelly Nolan to be punished. She married for mone
[18:11] <jrwren> y, she had an affair, she carried on naked in the pool with her boyfriend. She's cold, materialistic, unlikable, and it might bring you all pleasure to see her go to jail. But as for evidence to establish that she committed a murder beyond all reasonable doubt? It just isn't there. The only possible route to a guilty verdict here is Schadenfreude. "
[18:12] <jrwren> oops
[18:13] <cmaloney> What the hell was that? :)
[18:13] <jrwren> alan shore on schadenfreude
[18:13] <jrwren> greg-g was making fun of my comcast.
[18:13] <greg-g> :)
[18:14] <greg-g> enjoy your data caps
[18:14] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ZJUAAkdys
[18:14] <greg-g> I saw it coming and switch a while ago
[18:14] <cmaloney> Hey, you can pay $35 for unlimited
[18:14] <cmaloney> and then another for unlimited unlimited
[18:14] <jrwren> I'm going to switch to business class
[18:14] <greg-g> plus, sonic.net is rolling out FTTH in my area, the more people with their DSL service the more likely that area gets FTTH
[18:15] <cmaloney> I'm sure you'll be able to bundle your unlimiteds together
[18:15] <greg-g> "Get all 3 Unlimiteds for just $199 extra per month!"
[18:15] <greg-g> yeah, fuck that shit, not what I want to support in the world of "money == votes"
[18:16] <cmaloney> Well, in the "you're costing us money in fulfilling our promises" business model
[18:16] <cmaloney> see also: Microsoft One Drive
[18:16] <cmaloney> apparently unlimited != 75TB
[18:16] <greg-g> heh, yeah
[18:20] <jrwren> i get as fast or faster than some folks I know with FTTH. :p
[18:21] <cmaloney> Yes, but there's a huge difference between fiber and cable
[18:21] <jrwren> money == votes - isn't that the definition of the free market? :p
[18:21] <cmaloney> Comcast can't handle their fiber.
[18:21] <jrwren> huh?
[18:22] <cmaloney> Tried a pun
[18:22] <cmaloney> not sure if pun worked or not
[18:27] <greg-g> they weren't regular?
[18:27] <rick_h__> moar fiber!
[18:28] <rick_h__> cmaloney: chc tonight?
[18:30] <cmaloney> rick_h__: Planning on it
[18:30] <cmaloney> you?
[18:30] <rick_h__> yea should be down tonight
[18:30] <cmaloney> Awesome!
[19:00] <jrwren> So... I got my first CherryMX KB yesterday. They are reds.
[19:00] <jrwren> They are not as clicky as the ALPS that I'm used to.
[19:00] <jrwren> I still like it, but not as much as I thought I would.
[19:01] <rick_h__> booo reds
[19:01] <rick_h__> clear are my fav atm
[19:02] <rick_h__> jrwren: let's trade my shirts for a keyboard with clears at chc :)
[19:04] <cmaloney> heh
[19:10] <jrwren> rick_h__: that is doable. What time are you going to be out there?
[19:14] <rick_h__> jrwren: 8pm
[19:15] <cscheib> I got a Razer keyboard that has the equivalent of I think Browns in it... I quite like it
[19:16] <jrwren> rick_h__: i'll probably be able to make it by 9ish.
[19:21] <cmaloney> jrwren: Doubly awesome
[19:46] <brousch> One of the guys at work came across this Modustri (my new job) article in a business magazine http://mibiz.com/item/23016-modustri%E2%80%99s-capital-raise-leads-to-partnership-with-caterpillar . Now I'm getting ribbed for being "top-tier talent"
[19:47] <_stink_> better start wearing a suit
[19:47] <brousch> No way. You see what CEO is wearing?
[19:48] <brousch> No more khakis for me!
[19:49] <jrwren> brousch: not sure if that counts as getting ribbed.
[19:49] <jrwren> brousch: its like trying to rib michael jordan for being the best ever. :p
[19:49] <brousch> It's all in how you say it
[19:51] <_stink_> "oooOOOOOhhh brousch, look, your new place only hires TOP TIER TALENT, ehhhhHH??"
[19:51] <_stink_> like that?
[19:52] <brousch> See, _stink_ understands
[19:57] <jrwren> oh brousch... you are actually trying to better yourself.
[19:57] <jrwren> oh no!
[19:58] <jrwren> whoever is ribbing you sounds like the kind of person who would tease and alcolholic for not drinking, or another addict for not smoking crack.
[20:00] <brousch> Very likely
[20:31] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Jos%C3%A9Cazalon/posts <- Wants to join CHC community
[20:31] <cmaloney> Am thinking he's not serious.
[20:50] <brousch> You cannot reject him. What if he's real? You will have alienated someone awesome.
[21:10] <cmaloney> Like all of the coffee sellers that wanted to join the community. :)
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.761809
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"_stink_",
"brousch",
"cmaloney",
"cscheib",
"greg-g",
"jgransden",
"jrwren",
"rick_h__"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-mi"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-pt
|
[03:52] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[22:10] <astroo-> ola pessoal
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.763781
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"astroo-"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-pt.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-pt"
}
|
2015-11-04-#ubuntu-cl
|
[15:37] <mauro40> hola a todos
[15:37] <mauro40> alguien sabe cual es la mejor maquina para comprar e instalar ubuntu?
|
ubuntu-chat
|
2024-05-13T22:11:20.764447
| 2015-11-04T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"mauro40"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-cl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-cl"
}
|
Subsets and Splits
No community queries yet
The top public SQL queries from the community will appear here once available.