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xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | iozj9sf | ioyg6fu | 1,663,538,982 | 1,663,524,463 | 22 | 13 | The tenants need to file a claim with their insurance. Their insurance company will duke it out with your company or their insurer. The plumbers could also be at fault, so their company name should be provided to both insurers. | The best thing you can do for them as I see it is work on getting it cleaned up as fast as possible, and tell them to go through their insurance. Explain that their insurance will go through the property management's or the owner's or the plumbing company's insurance to get the money. If they don't want to and would rather sue directly, then so be it. Unfortunately you aren't in charge of the money and can't force your boss to fork it over. | 1 | 14,519 | 1.692308 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioy51yw | iozj9sf | 1,663,520,355 | 1,663,538,982 | 8 | 22 | it sounds like the plumber may have been negligent and ultimately responsible for damage to the landlord's real property and to the tenant's personal property. hopefully the property manager and/or landlord have insurance as there are potential property and liability insuance claims. property - for the clean up of the rental property to get it habitable again; backup is an optional coverage so hopefully the property manager purchased it liability - tenant has claimed the property manager is liable for damage to tenant's personal property if the property manager / landlord have insurance, that insurer can help get things sorted. this may involve subrogation against the plumber. subrogation is when an insurer pays out but then tries to collect what they paid out from the responsible party (i.e. the plumber). if you don't have insurance for either the property or liability components, you can try to get the plumber or plumbers insurer to pay on your own or by hiring a lawyer. but hopefully the landlord / property manager have insurance as the insurer will do this for you for free if you have coverage. | The tenants need to file a claim with their insurance. Their insurance company will duke it out with your company or their insurer. The plumbers could also be at fault, so their company name should be provided to both insurers. | 0 | 18,627 | 2.75 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioynujd | ioyg6fu | 1,663,527,262 | 1,663,524,463 | 19 | 13 | I’m a plumber. Idk about KS, but in my area, if usually depends on the cause of the blockage. If it’s legitimate damage to the sewer line, such as roots, heavy offsets, or collapses, it’s usually considered not the tenants fault, since it’s not their responsibility to fix the sewer line. If the blockage is due to abuse, such as wipes or grease, it’s usually considered the tenants fault. Roots can be the swinging vote. Some insurance companies consider it the tenants responsibility to keep roots out of the sewer line. On a personal note, get the sewer line inspected and repaired, no matter whose fault the insurance companies decide it is. Be a good manager and convince the owner to pony up for it. The last thing you want is to have this headache again. Cause no matter what, this doesn’t end well for the owner. If the tenants are not at fault, then the owner is waiting for the next time the sewer backs up. If the tenants are found at fault, don’t be surprised if they move out, cause they’re gonna feel like they got screwed over because the line backed up. | The best thing you can do for them as I see it is work on getting it cleaned up as fast as possible, and tell them to go through their insurance. Explain that their insurance will go through the property management's or the owner's or the plumbing company's insurance to get the money. If they don't want to and would rather sue directly, then so be it. Unfortunately you aren't in charge of the money and can't force your boss to fork it over. | 1 | 2,799 | 1.461538 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioy51yw | ioynujd | 1,663,520,355 | 1,663,527,262 | 8 | 19 | it sounds like the plumber may have been negligent and ultimately responsible for damage to the landlord's real property and to the tenant's personal property. hopefully the property manager and/or landlord have insurance as there are potential property and liability insuance claims. property - for the clean up of the rental property to get it habitable again; backup is an optional coverage so hopefully the property manager purchased it liability - tenant has claimed the property manager is liable for damage to tenant's personal property if the property manager / landlord have insurance, that insurer can help get things sorted. this may involve subrogation against the plumber. subrogation is when an insurer pays out but then tries to collect what they paid out from the responsible party (i.e. the plumber). if you don't have insurance for either the property or liability components, you can try to get the plumber or plumbers insurer to pay on your own or by hiring a lawyer. but hopefully the landlord / property manager have insurance as the insurer will do this for you for free if you have coverage. | I’m a plumber. Idk about KS, but in my area, if usually depends on the cause of the blockage. If it’s legitimate damage to the sewer line, such as roots, heavy offsets, or collapses, it’s usually considered not the tenants fault, since it’s not their responsibility to fix the sewer line. If the blockage is due to abuse, such as wipes or grease, it’s usually considered the tenants fault. Roots can be the swinging vote. Some insurance companies consider it the tenants responsibility to keep roots out of the sewer line. On a personal note, get the sewer line inspected and repaired, no matter whose fault the insurance companies decide it is. Be a good manager and convince the owner to pony up for it. The last thing you want is to have this headache again. Cause no matter what, this doesn’t end well for the owner. If the tenants are not at fault, then the owner is waiting for the next time the sewer backs up. If the tenants are found at fault, don’t be surprised if they move out, cause they’re gonna feel like they got screwed over because the line backed up. | 0 | 6,907 | 2.375 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioztmzo | ioyg6fu | 1,663,543,299 | 1,663,524,463 | 14 | 13 | Call the health department. Raw sewage can lead to serious diseases. They should not be able to return to the apartment is fully cleaned, that includes removing all drywall, insulation, etc, drying the place out, and such..this can take months. | The best thing you can do for them as I see it is work on getting it cleaned up as fast as possible, and tell them to go through their insurance. Explain that their insurance will go through the property management's or the owner's or the plumbing company's insurance to get the money. If they don't want to and would rather sue directly, then so be it. Unfortunately you aren't in charge of the money and can't force your boss to fork it over. | 1 | 18,836 | 1.076923 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioztmzo | ioy51yw | 1,663,543,299 | 1,663,520,355 | 14 | 8 | Call the health department. Raw sewage can lead to serious diseases. They should not be able to return to the apartment is fully cleaned, that includes removing all drywall, insulation, etc, drying the place out, and such..this can take months. | it sounds like the plumber may have been negligent and ultimately responsible for damage to the landlord's real property and to the tenant's personal property. hopefully the property manager and/or landlord have insurance as there are potential property and liability insuance claims. property - for the clean up of the rental property to get it habitable again; backup is an optional coverage so hopefully the property manager purchased it liability - tenant has claimed the property manager is liable for damage to tenant's personal property if the property manager / landlord have insurance, that insurer can help get things sorted. this may involve subrogation against the plumber. subrogation is when an insurer pays out but then tries to collect what they paid out from the responsible party (i.e. the plumber). if you don't have insurance for either the property or liability components, you can try to get the plumber or plumbers insurer to pay on your own or by hiring a lawyer. but hopefully the landlord / property manager have insurance as the insurer will do this for you for free if you have coverage. | 1 | 22,944 | 1.75 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | iozqltl | ioztmzo | 1,663,541,997 | 1,663,543,299 | 5 | 14 | The landlord is responsible for maintaining a habitable environment. If there was sewage backup, sounds like they’re responsible to correctly remediate and house the tenants until there is no risk of fecal matter all over the unit itself. As a tenant, I would file a claim for my belongings and reach out to someone with legal knowledge (at least informally) and provide my rental ins with the name of the landlord and plumber if I have it so they can recoup costs. If the landlord was trying to get me to move back in the next day, I’d call the local news stations too. I’d follow whatever policy would be in place if a faulty wiring issue caused a comparable fire. | Call the health department. Raw sewage can lead to serious diseases. They should not be able to return to the apartment is fully cleaned, that includes removing all drywall, insulation, etc, drying the place out, and such..this can take months. | 0 | 1,302 | 2.8 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | iozb076 | ioyg6fu | 1,663,535,721 | 1,663,524,463 | 14 | 13 | Not a lawyer, but worked in property insurance for way too long. There are a few different parts to a property policy. That’s why you get a list of form numbers on your declaration page. My job was to read & interpret those forms. For a rental property, the owner is responsible for damage to the “structure”. Anything behind the paint on the walls. Those claims are settled much faster. The tenants are responsible for “contents” only. These are usually written for the individual. Some have riders (extra forms) for things like jewelry or art. Some policies include ALE (additional living expense), which pays for them to stay at a hotel and covers meals. (OMG, I had a guy claim his cigarettes & beer he bought everyday on his way home from work & they COVERED IT!!) Content claims take a while. Someone needs to go into that mess, take inventory, then research how much things cost. Lost 3 pairs of jeans? The claim will cover 3 pairs of jeans, but someone needs to count them. You would never be responsible for any of their property. If you manage a complex, I’d bet my unicorn you have tenants sign a waiver recommending they get renter’s insurance because the complex isn’t responsible for anything damaged or stolen. Sorry this is long, but it’s not really complicated if it’s explained correctly. | The best thing you can do for them as I see it is work on getting it cleaned up as fast as possible, and tell them to go through their insurance. Explain that their insurance will go through the property management's or the owner's or the plumbing company's insurance to get the money. If they don't want to and would rather sue directly, then so be it. Unfortunately you aren't in charge of the money and can't force your boss to fork it over. | 1 | 11,258 | 1.076923 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioy51yw | iozb076 | 1,663,520,355 | 1,663,535,721 | 8 | 14 | it sounds like the plumber may have been negligent and ultimately responsible for damage to the landlord's real property and to the tenant's personal property. hopefully the property manager and/or landlord have insurance as there are potential property and liability insuance claims. property - for the clean up of the rental property to get it habitable again; backup is an optional coverage so hopefully the property manager purchased it liability - tenant has claimed the property manager is liable for damage to tenant's personal property if the property manager / landlord have insurance, that insurer can help get things sorted. this may involve subrogation against the plumber. subrogation is when an insurer pays out but then tries to collect what they paid out from the responsible party (i.e. the plumber). if you don't have insurance for either the property or liability components, you can try to get the plumber or plumbers insurer to pay on your own or by hiring a lawyer. but hopefully the landlord / property manager have insurance as the insurer will do this for you for free if you have coverage. | Not a lawyer, but worked in property insurance for way too long. There are a few different parts to a property policy. That’s why you get a list of form numbers on your declaration page. My job was to read & interpret those forms. For a rental property, the owner is responsible for damage to the “structure”. Anything behind the paint on the walls. Those claims are settled much faster. The tenants are responsible for “contents” only. These are usually written for the individual. Some have riders (extra forms) for things like jewelry or art. Some policies include ALE (additional living expense), which pays for them to stay at a hotel and covers meals. (OMG, I had a guy claim his cigarettes & beer he bought everyday on his way home from work & they COVERED IT!!) Content claims take a while. Someone needs to go into that mess, take inventory, then research how much things cost. Lost 3 pairs of jeans? The claim will cover 3 pairs of jeans, but someone needs to count them. You would never be responsible for any of their property. If you manage a complex, I’d bet my unicorn you have tenants sign a waiver recommending they get renter’s insurance because the complex isn’t responsible for anything damaged or stolen. Sorry this is long, but it’s not really complicated if it’s explained correctly. | 0 | 15,366 | 1.75 |
xhgkgc | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | KS Property Manager here: main line sewage back up into tenants apartment, their property is destroyed - are we responsible for their damages? I manage a Multifamily property (under a property management company). Buildings are 3 stories, 2 sub-ground basement units, 2nd floor, 3rd floor. 1 of the sub-ground residents had sewage backing up through the drain in their utility closet. We call out a plumber to unclog. They were not able to fully unclog so they go to the main line (I’m assuming?) outside to flush the pipe out. Maintenance tech asked the plumbers if doing this would cause it to flush out/back up into the residents apartment. Plumbers promised no, it would go out into the street. Well, it didn’t. I’d say about 700 of the 900 sq ft apartment flooded with sewage. All over their furniture, etc. They have renters insurance but don’t want to file a claim. They say they can argue we should be responsible for compensation of loss of their property. Any advice on this? The company I work for seems to be shitty and doesn’t believe we are. It was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to provide accommodations/transfer. After sending them the pics, my regional barely agreed to hotel for 1 night then wanted us to get it cleaned up and they could return I the apartment next day. I get to deal with the residents and their parents tomorrow and they are going to be pushing me for answers. I’d like to know a lawyers opinion on this/get some info to pass along to my supervisors since they aren’t taking this very seriously. | ioy51yw | ioyg6fu | 1,663,520,355 | 1,663,524,463 | 8 | 13 | it sounds like the plumber may have been negligent and ultimately responsible for damage to the landlord's real property and to the tenant's personal property. hopefully the property manager and/or landlord have insurance as there are potential property and liability insuance claims. property - for the clean up of the rental property to get it habitable again; backup is an optional coverage so hopefully the property manager purchased it liability - tenant has claimed the property manager is liable for damage to tenant's personal property if the property manager / landlord have insurance, that insurer can help get things sorted. this may involve subrogation against the plumber. subrogation is when an insurer pays out but then tries to collect what they paid out from the responsible party (i.e. the plumber). if you don't have insurance for either the property or liability components, you can try to get the plumber or plumbers insurer to pay on your own or by hiring a lawyer. but hopefully the landlord / property manager have insurance as the insurer will do this for you for free if you have coverage. | The best thing you can do for them as I see it is work on getting it cleaned up as fast as possible, and tell them to go through their insurance. Explain that their insurance will go through the property management's or the owner's or the plumbing company's insurance to get the money. If they don't want to and would rather sue directly, then so be it. Unfortunately you aren't in charge of the money and can't force your boss to fork it over. | 0 | 4,108 | 1.625 |
6boatr | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | I'm paid up. I'm a good tenant. Landlord and son packed up my entire apartment while I was gone, took door off hinges. No eviction, no notice. Studio attached to main house. My landlady lives in terror of her meth-addict son, and lies to the police to cover for him. Sick situation. He came back to live with his mom, decided he wanted my apartment, tried bullying me out. Attacked me twice. Gaslighting me, terrorizing me for months. I got an assault charge finally and order of protection is going through this weekend. Mother's Day he came into my apartment with his mom's key, held me down, threatened my life, pushed me out. I came back a day later to my entire apartment packed up. Meth heads love menial tasks. All doors off hinges, including main door. Cops come. He speaks for his mom, says 'Officer, he helped us pack.' Yeah, right. I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. I did nothing wrong, he'll get my apartment, his mom will lose the rent she was making from me. Good riddance. It's a gorgeous, cheap studio, but not worth this level of insanity. I know this guy is a thief. He bragged to me about how he steals a couple of times. I just know he'll have taken some of my things. I'm sure he'll have taken my nicest things, like my really nice-quality American flag, my box of old camcorder tapes I made growing up, my camera. I just know it. I'm terrified to be there so I just looked in the fridge and he had taken all my more expensive frozen foods, and my nice lamp was in his garage. My mini fridge is gone. The cop said it was a he said she said. He doesn't know if I helped them pack or not. But another cop in the dept. knows this guy is crazy. And he's the one who took my assault complaint after I showed him an audio recording of this guy in one of his psychopathic rants. Once I figure out what's missing--whether it's something expensive or something priceless for sentimental reasons, like 40 camcorder tapes full of footage... what do I do? The cop who was there, who didn't know the situation, said "this is a civil matter" and told me "Hey man, my ex wife threw out all my stuff one day, and it sucks, but it happens." I handled it well, didn't call him a fucking idiot, just said "Ok," and left with my lamp. What do I do here? | dhoaqvi | dhoe3tg | 1,495,029,563 | 1,495,033,470 | 177 | 1,552 | This practice is uncommon but not unheard of in the Democratic Republic of Congo. You can grease the wheels of justice by offering your local governor a bribe of 150000-250000 Congolese Francs, about 100-200 US Dollars. If you live somewhere in the US though your options will depend on the state so you should probably put that in your post somewhere. | > I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. Sue for illegal eviction anyway. Not only do you need to be reimbursed for all your actual damages (any remaining time period for which the rent was already paid, your security deposit, moving expenses, etc. -- and I'd even try to claim the cost of inventorying all your stuff to make sure nothing is missing), you may (depending on jurisdiction, which you didn't tell us) also be entitled to *statutory damages* on top of that! This is in *addition* to whatever you do about the thefts. | 0 | 3,907 | 8.768362 |
6boatr | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | I'm paid up. I'm a good tenant. Landlord and son packed up my entire apartment while I was gone, took door off hinges. No eviction, no notice. Studio attached to main house. My landlady lives in terror of her meth-addict son, and lies to the police to cover for him. Sick situation. He came back to live with his mom, decided he wanted my apartment, tried bullying me out. Attacked me twice. Gaslighting me, terrorizing me for months. I got an assault charge finally and order of protection is going through this weekend. Mother's Day he came into my apartment with his mom's key, held me down, threatened my life, pushed me out. I came back a day later to my entire apartment packed up. Meth heads love menial tasks. All doors off hinges, including main door. Cops come. He speaks for his mom, says 'Officer, he helped us pack.' Yeah, right. I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. I did nothing wrong, he'll get my apartment, his mom will lose the rent she was making from me. Good riddance. It's a gorgeous, cheap studio, but not worth this level of insanity. I know this guy is a thief. He bragged to me about how he steals a couple of times. I just know he'll have taken some of my things. I'm sure he'll have taken my nicest things, like my really nice-quality American flag, my box of old camcorder tapes I made growing up, my camera. I just know it. I'm terrified to be there so I just looked in the fridge and he had taken all my more expensive frozen foods, and my nice lamp was in his garage. My mini fridge is gone. The cop said it was a he said she said. He doesn't know if I helped them pack or not. But another cop in the dept. knows this guy is crazy. And he's the one who took my assault complaint after I showed him an audio recording of this guy in one of his psychopathic rants. Once I figure out what's missing--whether it's something expensive or something priceless for sentimental reasons, like 40 camcorder tapes full of footage... what do I do? The cop who was there, who didn't know the situation, said "this is a civil matter" and told me "Hey man, my ex wife threw out all my stuff one day, and it sucks, but it happens." I handled it well, didn't call him a fucking idiot, just said "Ok," and left with my lamp. What do I do here? | dho96v0 | dhoe3tg | 1,495,027,548 | 1,495,033,470 | 111 | 1,552 | I am not a lawyer. This info is in addition to the other comment by /u/thepatman, please follow the info in that comment thread first. Where do you live? ~~The cops are right, this is a civil matter (except for the stolen goods, which would be up to the police/prosecutor to decide if they want to press charges).~~ Many states will allow you to sue for treble damages, that is, 3x the damages you incurred, and some will throw in months of rent too. You're almost certainly entitled to your entire security deposit back. You could be entitled to a pretty big payday, they majorly screwed themselves. Courts do not take kindly to this sort of thing. EDIT: As pointed out by /u/BullsLawDan, you appear to be in NY. Illegal eviction is a criminal offense there, whereas IIRC in most other states it's a civil thing. The cops are therefore wrong. Contact them again. | > I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. Sue for illegal eviction anyway. Not only do you need to be reimbursed for all your actual damages (any remaining time period for which the rent was already paid, your security deposit, moving expenses, etc. -- and I'd even try to claim the cost of inventorying all your stuff to make sure nothing is missing), you may (depending on jurisdiction, which you didn't tell us) also be entitled to *statutory damages* on top of that! This is in *addition* to whatever you do about the thefts. | 0 | 5,922 | 13.981982 |
6boatr | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | I'm paid up. I'm a good tenant. Landlord and son packed up my entire apartment while I was gone, took door off hinges. No eviction, no notice. Studio attached to main house. My landlady lives in terror of her meth-addict son, and lies to the police to cover for him. Sick situation. He came back to live with his mom, decided he wanted my apartment, tried bullying me out. Attacked me twice. Gaslighting me, terrorizing me for months. I got an assault charge finally and order of protection is going through this weekend. Mother's Day he came into my apartment with his mom's key, held me down, threatened my life, pushed me out. I came back a day later to my entire apartment packed up. Meth heads love menial tasks. All doors off hinges, including main door. Cops come. He speaks for his mom, says 'Officer, he helped us pack.' Yeah, right. I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. I did nothing wrong, he'll get my apartment, his mom will lose the rent she was making from me. Good riddance. It's a gorgeous, cheap studio, but not worth this level of insanity. I know this guy is a thief. He bragged to me about how he steals a couple of times. I just know he'll have taken some of my things. I'm sure he'll have taken my nicest things, like my really nice-quality American flag, my box of old camcorder tapes I made growing up, my camera. I just know it. I'm terrified to be there so I just looked in the fridge and he had taken all my more expensive frozen foods, and my nice lamp was in his garage. My mini fridge is gone. The cop said it was a he said she said. He doesn't know if I helped them pack or not. But another cop in the dept. knows this guy is crazy. And he's the one who took my assault complaint after I showed him an audio recording of this guy in one of his psychopathic rants. Once I figure out what's missing--whether it's something expensive or something priceless for sentimental reasons, like 40 camcorder tapes full of footage... what do I do? The cop who was there, who didn't know the situation, said "this is a civil matter" and told me "Hey man, my ex wife threw out all my stuff one day, and it sucks, but it happens." I handled it well, didn't call him a fucking idiot, just said "Ok," and left with my lamp. What do I do here? | dhoaqvi | dhog4x7 | 1,495,029,563 | 1,495,035,683 | 177 | 763 | This practice is uncommon but not unheard of in the Democratic Republic of Congo. You can grease the wheels of justice by offering your local governor a bribe of 150000-250000 Congolese Francs, about 100-200 US Dollars. If you live somewhere in the US though your options will depend on the state so you should probably put that in your post somewhere. | Landlord here. I stalked your post history and you appear to be in New York State, correct? If so, here are the laws: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/pdfs/publications/Tenants_Rights.pdf Notice how the site is for the Attorney General? It's a big deal. You should take action. The cops are wrong, BTW, as some of this IS a **criminal offense**. There are a variety of laws she has broken, such as: * A month-to-month tenancy outside New York City may be terminated by either party by giving at least one month’s notice before the expiration of the tenancy. For example, if the landlord wants the tenant to move out by November 1 and the rent is due on the first of each month, the landlord must give notice by September 30. In New York City, 30 days’ notice is required, rather than one month. * Such notice does not automatically allow the landlord to evict the tenant * Unless the tenant vacates the premises by a specified date, the landlord may commence eviction proceedings through: (a) a summary non-payment court proceeding to evict a tenant who fails to pay the agreed rent when due and to recover outstanding rent; or (b) a summary holdover proceeding for eviction if a tenant significantly violates a substantial obligation under the lease (such as using the premises for illegal purposes, or committing or permitting a nuisance) or stays beyond the lease term without permission * Important: A tenant can be legally evicted only after the landlord has brought a court proceeding and has obtained a judgment of possession, and only a sheriff, marshal or constable can carry out a court ordered warrant to evict a tenant. Landlords may not take the law into their own hands and evict a tenant by use of force or unlawful means. For example, a landlord cannot use threats of violence, remove a tenant’s possessions, lock the tenant out of the apartment, or willfully discontinue essential services such as water or heat. When a tenant is evicted, the landlord must give the tenant a reasonable amount of time to remove all belongings; the landlord may not retain the tenant’s personal belongings or furniture (RPAPL §749; Real Property Law § 235). * **A tenant evicted from an apartment in a forcible or unlawful manner is entitled to recover triple damages in a legal action against the landlord**. Landlords in New York City who use illegal methods to force a tenant to move are also subject to both criminal and civil penalties. Further, the tenant may be entitled to be restored to occupancy (RPAPL § 853; NYC Admin. Code § 26-523, § 26-521). * Landlords are prohibited from harassing or retaliating against tenants who exercise their rights. For example, landlords may not seek to evict tenants solely because tenants (a) make good faith complaints to a government agency regarding violations of any health or safety laws; (b) take good faith actions to protect their rights under the lease; or (c) participate in tenant organizations. * Tenants may collect damages from landlords who violate this law, which applies to all rentals except owner-occupied dwellings with fewer than four units * Tenants have the right to privacy within their apartments. A landlord, however, may enter a tenant’s apartment with reasonable prior notice, and at a reasonable time, with the tenant’s consent, either to provide routine or agreed upon repairs or services, or in accordance with the lease. If the tenant unreasonably withholds consent, the landlord may seek a court order to permit entry. In an emergency, such as a fire or water leak, the landlord may enter the apartment without the tenant’s consent or prior notice. * A landlord is prohibited from any action intended to force a tenant out of an apartment or to compel a tenant to give up any rights granted the tenant by law. No landlord, or any party acting on the landlord’s behalf, may interfere with the tenant’s privacy, comfort, or quiet enjoyment of the apartment. Harassment may take the form of physical or verbal abuse, willful denial of services, or multiple instances of frivolous litigation. If a landlord lies or deliberately misrepresents the law to a tenant, this may also constitute harassment. Rent regulated tenants who feel they have been victimized by harassment should contact DHCR. Landlords found guilty of harassment are subject to fines of up to $2,000 for the first offense and up to $10,000 for each subsequent offense. Under certain circumstances, harassment of a rent regulated tenant may constitute a class E felony (Penal Law§ 241.05; NYC Admin Code §§ 27-2004, 27-2005). New York City tenants have additional recourse against harassment. Tenants may bring a claim in housing court and the court may issue restraining orders against owners if violations have been found (NYC Admin Code § 27-2115). At the end of the document are listings of various agencies that can help you. Personally, as a landlord, I would recommend you hire a lawyer and sue her. You are entitled to, from where I am sitting, at least $2k in damages, and maybe over $12k or more. Everything she has done and allowed to be done is 100% illegal, and she should paid dearly. I hate shitty landlords. | 0 | 6,120 | 4.310734 |
6boatr | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | I'm paid up. I'm a good tenant. Landlord and son packed up my entire apartment while I was gone, took door off hinges. No eviction, no notice. Studio attached to main house. My landlady lives in terror of her meth-addict son, and lies to the police to cover for him. Sick situation. He came back to live with his mom, decided he wanted my apartment, tried bullying me out. Attacked me twice. Gaslighting me, terrorizing me for months. I got an assault charge finally and order of protection is going through this weekend. Mother's Day he came into my apartment with his mom's key, held me down, threatened my life, pushed me out. I came back a day later to my entire apartment packed up. Meth heads love menial tasks. All doors off hinges, including main door. Cops come. He speaks for his mom, says 'Officer, he helped us pack.' Yeah, right. I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. I did nothing wrong, he'll get my apartment, his mom will lose the rent she was making from me. Good riddance. It's a gorgeous, cheap studio, but not worth this level of insanity. I know this guy is a thief. He bragged to me about how he steals a couple of times. I just know he'll have taken some of my things. I'm sure he'll have taken my nicest things, like my really nice-quality American flag, my box of old camcorder tapes I made growing up, my camera. I just know it. I'm terrified to be there so I just looked in the fridge and he had taken all my more expensive frozen foods, and my nice lamp was in his garage. My mini fridge is gone. The cop said it was a he said she said. He doesn't know if I helped them pack or not. But another cop in the dept. knows this guy is crazy. And he's the one who took my assault complaint after I showed him an audio recording of this guy in one of his psychopathic rants. Once I figure out what's missing--whether it's something expensive or something priceless for sentimental reasons, like 40 camcorder tapes full of footage... what do I do? The cop who was there, who didn't know the situation, said "this is a civil matter" and told me "Hey man, my ex wife threw out all my stuff one day, and it sucks, but it happens." I handled it well, didn't call him a fucking idiot, just said "Ok," and left with my lamp. What do I do here? | dhog4x7 | dho96v0 | 1,495,035,683 | 1,495,027,548 | 763 | 111 | Landlord here. I stalked your post history and you appear to be in New York State, correct? If so, here are the laws: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/pdfs/publications/Tenants_Rights.pdf Notice how the site is for the Attorney General? It's a big deal. You should take action. The cops are wrong, BTW, as some of this IS a **criminal offense**. There are a variety of laws she has broken, such as: * A month-to-month tenancy outside New York City may be terminated by either party by giving at least one month’s notice before the expiration of the tenancy. For example, if the landlord wants the tenant to move out by November 1 and the rent is due on the first of each month, the landlord must give notice by September 30. In New York City, 30 days’ notice is required, rather than one month. * Such notice does not automatically allow the landlord to evict the tenant * Unless the tenant vacates the premises by a specified date, the landlord may commence eviction proceedings through: (a) a summary non-payment court proceeding to evict a tenant who fails to pay the agreed rent when due and to recover outstanding rent; or (b) a summary holdover proceeding for eviction if a tenant significantly violates a substantial obligation under the lease (such as using the premises for illegal purposes, or committing or permitting a nuisance) or stays beyond the lease term without permission * Important: A tenant can be legally evicted only after the landlord has brought a court proceeding and has obtained a judgment of possession, and only a sheriff, marshal or constable can carry out a court ordered warrant to evict a tenant. Landlords may not take the law into their own hands and evict a tenant by use of force or unlawful means. For example, a landlord cannot use threats of violence, remove a tenant’s possessions, lock the tenant out of the apartment, or willfully discontinue essential services such as water or heat. When a tenant is evicted, the landlord must give the tenant a reasonable amount of time to remove all belongings; the landlord may not retain the tenant’s personal belongings or furniture (RPAPL §749; Real Property Law § 235). * **A tenant evicted from an apartment in a forcible or unlawful manner is entitled to recover triple damages in a legal action against the landlord**. Landlords in New York City who use illegal methods to force a tenant to move are also subject to both criminal and civil penalties. Further, the tenant may be entitled to be restored to occupancy (RPAPL § 853; NYC Admin. Code § 26-523, § 26-521). * Landlords are prohibited from harassing or retaliating against tenants who exercise their rights. For example, landlords may not seek to evict tenants solely because tenants (a) make good faith complaints to a government agency regarding violations of any health or safety laws; (b) take good faith actions to protect their rights under the lease; or (c) participate in tenant organizations. * Tenants may collect damages from landlords who violate this law, which applies to all rentals except owner-occupied dwellings with fewer than four units * Tenants have the right to privacy within their apartments. A landlord, however, may enter a tenant’s apartment with reasonable prior notice, and at a reasonable time, with the tenant’s consent, either to provide routine or agreed upon repairs or services, or in accordance with the lease. If the tenant unreasonably withholds consent, the landlord may seek a court order to permit entry. In an emergency, such as a fire or water leak, the landlord may enter the apartment without the tenant’s consent or prior notice. * A landlord is prohibited from any action intended to force a tenant out of an apartment or to compel a tenant to give up any rights granted the tenant by law. No landlord, or any party acting on the landlord’s behalf, may interfere with the tenant’s privacy, comfort, or quiet enjoyment of the apartment. Harassment may take the form of physical or verbal abuse, willful denial of services, or multiple instances of frivolous litigation. If a landlord lies or deliberately misrepresents the law to a tenant, this may also constitute harassment. Rent regulated tenants who feel they have been victimized by harassment should contact DHCR. Landlords found guilty of harassment are subject to fines of up to $2,000 for the first offense and up to $10,000 for each subsequent offense. Under certain circumstances, harassment of a rent regulated tenant may constitute a class E felony (Penal Law§ 241.05; NYC Admin Code §§ 27-2004, 27-2005). New York City tenants have additional recourse against harassment. Tenants may bring a claim in housing court and the court may issue restraining orders against owners if violations have been found (NYC Admin Code § 27-2115). At the end of the document are listings of various agencies that can help you. Personally, as a landlord, I would recommend you hire a lawyer and sue her. You are entitled to, from where I am sitting, at least $2k in damages, and maybe over $12k or more. Everything she has done and allowed to be done is 100% illegal, and she should paid dearly. I hate shitty landlords. | I am not a lawyer. This info is in addition to the other comment by /u/thepatman, please follow the info in that comment thread first. Where do you live? ~~The cops are right, this is a civil matter (except for the stolen goods, which would be up to the police/prosecutor to decide if they want to press charges).~~ Many states will allow you to sue for treble damages, that is, 3x the damages you incurred, and some will throw in months of rent too. You're almost certainly entitled to your entire security deposit back. You could be entitled to a pretty big payday, they majorly screwed themselves. Courts do not take kindly to this sort of thing. EDIT: As pointed out by /u/BullsLawDan, you appear to be in NY. Illegal eviction is a criminal offense there, whereas IIRC in most other states it's a civil thing. The cops are therefore wrong. Contact them again. | 1 | 8,135 | 6.873874 |
6boatr | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | I'm paid up. I'm a good tenant. Landlord and son packed up my entire apartment while I was gone, took door off hinges. No eviction, no notice. Studio attached to main house. My landlady lives in terror of her meth-addict son, and lies to the police to cover for him. Sick situation. He came back to live with his mom, decided he wanted my apartment, tried bullying me out. Attacked me twice. Gaslighting me, terrorizing me for months. I got an assault charge finally and order of protection is going through this weekend. Mother's Day he came into my apartment with his mom's key, held me down, threatened my life, pushed me out. I came back a day later to my entire apartment packed up. Meth heads love menial tasks. All doors off hinges, including main door. Cops come. He speaks for his mom, says 'Officer, he helped us pack.' Yeah, right. I'm getting my stuff and just moving. This is too crazy to deal with. Not even going to fight it anymore. I did nothing wrong, he'll get my apartment, his mom will lose the rent she was making from me. Good riddance. It's a gorgeous, cheap studio, but not worth this level of insanity. I know this guy is a thief. He bragged to me about how he steals a couple of times. I just know he'll have taken some of my things. I'm sure he'll have taken my nicest things, like my really nice-quality American flag, my box of old camcorder tapes I made growing up, my camera. I just know it. I'm terrified to be there so I just looked in the fridge and he had taken all my more expensive frozen foods, and my nice lamp was in his garage. My mini fridge is gone. The cop said it was a he said she said. He doesn't know if I helped them pack or not. But another cop in the dept. knows this guy is crazy. And he's the one who took my assault complaint after I showed him an audio recording of this guy in one of his psychopathic rants. Once I figure out what's missing--whether it's something expensive or something priceless for sentimental reasons, like 40 camcorder tapes full of footage... what do I do? The cop who was there, who didn't know the situation, said "this is a civil matter" and told me "Hey man, my ex wife threw out all my stuff one day, and it sucks, but it happens." I handled it well, didn't call him a fucking idiot, just said "Ok," and left with my lamp. What do I do here? | dhoaqvi | dho96v0 | 1,495,029,563 | 1,495,027,548 | 177 | 111 | This practice is uncommon but not unheard of in the Democratic Republic of Congo. You can grease the wheels of justice by offering your local governor a bribe of 150000-250000 Congolese Francs, about 100-200 US Dollars. If you live somewhere in the US though your options will depend on the state so you should probably put that in your post somewhere. | I am not a lawyer. This info is in addition to the other comment by /u/thepatman, please follow the info in that comment thread first. Where do you live? ~~The cops are right, this is a civil matter (except for the stolen goods, which would be up to the police/prosecutor to decide if they want to press charges).~~ Many states will allow you to sue for treble damages, that is, 3x the damages you incurred, and some will throw in months of rent too. You're almost certainly entitled to your entire security deposit back. You could be entitled to a pretty big payday, they majorly screwed themselves. Courts do not take kindly to this sort of thing. EDIT: As pointed out by /u/BullsLawDan, you appear to be in NY. Illegal eviction is a criminal offense there, whereas IIRC in most other states it's a civil thing. The cops are therefore wrong. Contact them again. | 1 | 2,015 | 1.594595 |
b58p2m | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My apartment in Maine has heat and hot water included, but our landlord has not paid the bill and utilities have been shut off. Is there any legal action we can take? Hello! I live in Maine and our heat and hot water are covered by the landlord, who also has a company to help manage the building I am in. On Thursday the water district left a notice on our door notifying us of an outstanding balance of about $500 and that our water would be shut off. I notified our management company and they were going to reach out to the landlord. Everything was great but yesterday we lost heat and hot water, and temperatures have been dipping near to below freezing at night. I attempted to call both our management company, maintenance guy and landlord numerous times - called, left messages and texted - throughout the entire day from about 11 AM to 11 PM. Spoke to the Landlord once, and he told me to call our maintenance guy. Hours later I got a hold of maintenance, who said they were in the basement working on it but the Landlord forgot to pay the bill, but that they were on it. The water district is closed on Sundays. I didnt hear anything else from anyone all night and tried to reach out to maintenance again to see what happened as they said they’d take care of it. Its now the next day and we still dont have heat or hot water. Are there legal actions I can/should take, or how can I cover all my bases if I need to move in that direction in the near future? Thank you | ejc8eyu | ejcf7j1 | 1,553,523,303 | 1,553,528,311 | 17 | 59 | You can legally withhold rent until they get this fixed. | Contact your water company and provide them the address of your building and landlord's/property management's contact information. You can also break your lease and vacate immediately. You did not agree to this when you signed your lease. And if your landlord "forgot to pay the bill" what is your maintenance guy doing in the basement "working on it"? Doesn't make sense. Document everything: names of who you contacted, dates, etc. | 0 | 5,008 | 3.470588 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0j13r4 | j0i2edi | 1,671,236,823 | 1,671,221,708 | 98 | 81 | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | In most jurisdictions you’ll need to prove she did so knowingly or recklessly. You should be able to subpoena evidence regarding that, it’s one thing to have the car look the same on the outside but no doubt there’s differences inside that could easily disprove an honest mistake here. Keep in mind though that goes out the window if she has a documented form of dementia. Without knowing more it’s hard to give a better answer because this really is question of intent or lack thereof and there are clearly factors pointing in both directions here. Edit: saw in your other comment that this is a nearly new car, why in god’s name would you leave the one thing that could have prevented this in the car. You are probably better off not pursuing action here because litigation is going to get very expensive here. The only thing taken on face value that favors you here is the fact that it took 3 weeks to get it back. | 1 | 15,115 | 1.209877 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0i4d6s | j0j13r4 | 1,671,222,506 | 1,671,236,823 | 49 | 98 | Honestly, no one in this sub it’s going to be able to give good advice for this situation because you most likely don’t have a legal leg to stand on. If you can show monetarily how much you lost then maybe, but since it seems like it was mostly mental health damage there isn’t much you can do about that. Call your states bar and see if they can suggest a lawyer to listen to your story, I wouldn’t get your hopes up though as it could very well be more of a mental hassle to pile on top of the stress you’ve already built up, and come out with absolutely nothing except a high lawyer bill. | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | 0 | 14,317 | 2 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0j13r4 | j0gxtnk | 1,671,236,823 | 1,671,205,780 | 98 | 33 | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | Most crimes and torts would require acting knowingly or recklessly to be liable. If you can't prove that she knew it was the wrong car or should have known, then you probably don't have a lawsuit, although you could certainly try negotiating for some money from her anyway. Don't leave your keys in a car if you want to avoid this in the future. So you're liable for some of this situation as well. | 1 | 31,043 | 2.969697 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0ip94r | j0j13r4 | 1,671,231,362 | 1,671,236,823 | 10 | 98 | You got your car back no damage be grateful | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | 0 | 5,461 | 9.8 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0j13r4 | j0ivsec | 1,671,236,823 | 1,671,234,318 | 98 | 7 | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | I think the issue here is that the post is marked as criminal law. Criminally, if the facts are as you say, there is no case because it was an honest mistake. However, just because there is no crime does not mean you cannot be compensated. In California for example, mistake is NOT a defense to the tort of conversion. This person took your property and deprived you of it for 3 weeks. You therefore could be entitled to 3 weeks fair rental value of the vehicle - the amount of value she deprived you of (albeit negligently). Of course, not every state follows the same rules, and there is no point suing someone who has no mo ey to go after, so make sure to talk to a lawyer in your state before deciding. Cya disclaimer: Although I am a lawyer (in California) I am not YOUR lawyer. This post is legal information o ly and not legal advice. Nothing in this post creates an attorney client relationship between me and the original poster or any other person. You should always speak to a lawyer in your jurisdiction before making important legal professions - through their usual course of business and not on social media. This is not a solicitation for legal services. | 1 | 2,505 | 14 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0inc7u | j0j13r4 | 1,671,230,516 | 1,671,236,823 | 8 | 98 | It would depend on where you are and the entirety of the situation. Where I live honest mistakes are generally not crimes. The most common example given for theft is the cellphone example. Lets say you place your cellphone down at a party. Another person has the exact same phone with a similar case and they pick up your phone thinking it is there's. They generally would not be liable for the theft as it was an honest mistake. Now if they end up dropping that phone and breaking the screen they can be liable in a civil suit for the damage to the phone. It hasn't been tested with a car but I bet the same printable would apply. If it's a same make model and color and can be easily mistaken for there car then no. However if they damaged that car they can be liable for damages. This all depends on the overall circumstances. | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | 0 | 6,307 | 12.25 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0j13r4 | j0ipspp | 1,671,236,823 | 1,671,231,602 | 98 | 7 | OP you got incredibly lucky it was an honest mistake. In my area, there’s a good chance it would’ve gotten stolen and you wouldn’t have a car to recover at all. Yes it sucks but it’s a rather cheap way to learn a lesson. You’re lucky it wasn’t a teenager on a joyride or someone actually trying to steal it because cars rarely get recovered in the same condition it’s stolen, even if it was just used for a crime and dumped, they usually trash the car to hide evidence. There’s no damages you can really go to court for and come out positive in the end. It’s an honest mistake because 1) the lady also had a new car and might not be familiar with the specific differences that a car enthusiast would, my mom for example wouldn’t know the difference between a sport and SI unless it was a totally different color or had a custom interior, even more likely since it was the husbands car. 2) wireless key fobs allow the car to be driven with no input from the driver, it just needs to be somewhere inside the car. If she kept it in a garage for 3 weeks she probably had no need to lock it or just thought the remote didn’t work but when she gets inside it always started so there’s little reason to believe it wasn’t the right car. | Damages would be what it would take to set you back in the position of as if you had never lost your car. What extra expenses did you incur? Perhaps some compensation for gas and miles. In the end you probably aren't looking at a lot unless this caused you to lose money at work or you spent a fortune getting a rental. In the end you admit it wasn't malicious and it sounds like you don't want to be a dick. Tell the people what you are out because of their mistake and see if they will compensate you. If you have to you could take it to court. | 1 | 5,221 | 14 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0i2edi | j0gxtnk | 1,671,221,708 | 1,671,205,780 | 81 | 33 | In most jurisdictions you’ll need to prove she did so knowingly or recklessly. You should be able to subpoena evidence regarding that, it’s one thing to have the car look the same on the outside but no doubt there’s differences inside that could easily disprove an honest mistake here. Keep in mind though that goes out the window if she has a documented form of dementia. Without knowing more it’s hard to give a better answer because this really is question of intent or lack thereof and there are clearly factors pointing in both directions here. Edit: saw in your other comment that this is a nearly new car, why in god’s name would you leave the one thing that could have prevented this in the car. You are probably better off not pursuing action here because litigation is going to get very expensive here. The only thing taken on face value that favors you here is the fact that it took 3 weeks to get it back. | Most crimes and torts would require acting knowingly or recklessly to be liable. If you can't prove that she knew it was the wrong car or should have known, then you probably don't have a lawsuit, although you could certainly try negotiating for some money from her anyway. Don't leave your keys in a car if you want to avoid this in the future. So you're liable for some of this situation as well. | 1 | 15,928 | 2.454545 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0gxtnk | j0i4d6s | 1,671,205,780 | 1,671,222,506 | 33 | 49 | Most crimes and torts would require acting knowingly or recklessly to be liable. If you can't prove that she knew it was the wrong car or should have known, then you probably don't have a lawsuit, although you could certainly try negotiating for some money from her anyway. Don't leave your keys in a car if you want to avoid this in the future. So you're liable for some of this situation as well. | Honestly, no one in this sub it’s going to be able to give good advice for this situation because you most likely don’t have a legal leg to stand on. If you can show monetarily how much you lost then maybe, but since it seems like it was mostly mental health damage there isn’t much you can do about that. Call your states bar and see if they can suggest a lawyer to listen to your story, I wouldn’t get your hopes up though as it could very well be more of a mental hassle to pile on top of the stress you’ve already built up, and come out with absolutely nothing except a high lawyer bill. | 0 | 16,726 | 1.484848 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0jm823 | j0ip94r | 1,671,247,409 | 1,671,231,362 | 20 | 10 | So where her husband car was these 3 weeks? Is husband car and your car are similar? Not yours white and his red? | You got your car back no damage be grateful | 1 | 16,047 | 2 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0jm823 | j0ivsec | 1,671,247,409 | 1,671,234,318 | 20 | 7 | So where her husband car was these 3 weeks? Is husband car and your car are similar? Not yours white and his red? | I think the issue here is that the post is marked as criminal law. Criminally, if the facts are as you say, there is no case because it was an honest mistake. However, just because there is no crime does not mean you cannot be compensated. In California for example, mistake is NOT a defense to the tort of conversion. This person took your property and deprived you of it for 3 weeks. You therefore could be entitled to 3 weeks fair rental value of the vehicle - the amount of value she deprived you of (albeit negligently). Of course, not every state follows the same rules, and there is no point suing someone who has no mo ey to go after, so make sure to talk to a lawyer in your state before deciding. Cya disclaimer: Although I am a lawyer (in California) I am not YOUR lawyer. This post is legal information o ly and not legal advice. Nothing in this post creates an attorney client relationship between me and the original poster or any other person. You should always speak to a lawyer in your jurisdiction before making important legal professions - through their usual course of business and not on social media. This is not a solicitation for legal services. | 1 | 13,091 | 2.857143 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0inc7u | j0jm823 | 1,671,230,516 | 1,671,247,409 | 8 | 20 | It would depend on where you are and the entirety of the situation. Where I live honest mistakes are generally not crimes. The most common example given for theft is the cellphone example. Lets say you place your cellphone down at a party. Another person has the exact same phone with a similar case and they pick up your phone thinking it is there's. They generally would not be liable for the theft as it was an honest mistake. Now if they end up dropping that phone and breaking the screen they can be liable in a civil suit for the damage to the phone. It hasn't been tested with a car but I bet the same printable would apply. If it's a same make model and color and can be easily mistaken for there car then no. However if they damaged that car they can be liable for damages. This all depends on the overall circumstances. | So where her husband car was these 3 weeks? Is husband car and your car are similar? Not yours white and his red? | 0 | 16,893 | 2.5 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0jm823 | j0ipspp | 1,671,247,409 | 1,671,231,602 | 20 | 7 | So where her husband car was these 3 weeks? Is husband car and your car are similar? Not yours white and his red? | Damages would be what it would take to set you back in the position of as if you had never lost your car. What extra expenses did you incur? Perhaps some compensation for gas and miles. In the end you probably aren't looking at a lot unless this caused you to lose money at work or you spent a fortune getting a rental. In the end you admit it wasn't malicious and it sounds like you don't want to be a dick. Tell the people what you are out because of their mistake and see if they will compensate you. If you have to you could take it to court. | 1 | 15,807 | 2.857143 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0jm823 | j0j5fd4 | 1,671,247,409 | 1,671,238,923 | 20 | 5 | So where her husband car was these 3 weeks? Is husband car and your car are similar? Not yours white and his red? | Not a lawyer but unless she damaged it in some way or you had to pay for other means of transportation, then you probably don't have anything to be compensated for. sounds like you skateboarded around, so no expenses for travel so nothing to be compensated for then. doesn't sound like she damaged the car or left it in a worse state than it was before, so nothing to compensate for there either. maybe if you missed work because of no means of transportation, that could be used, but since you didn't just like uber to work, still no expenses to be compensated for. unless you literally couldn't afford an uber. and no insurance means insurance wouldn't get you a rental, but that would be your own fault for not having insurance. so all that said, this would probably just be considered more of an annoyance than something that actually impacted you financially or health wise. so nothing to sue for. she could still be charged with car theft but you wouldn't necessarily get any money out of that. I'd just drop the matter and take this as an important life lesson not to leave your car unlocked, with the keys inside, and without insurance. you got off pretty lucky considering how extremely bad this would be if it was actually stolen and never returned. | 1 | 8,486 | 4 |
znhc85 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Got my car accidentally stolen A woman accidentally stole my car for 3 weeks thinking it was her husband’s I left the keys in the car when I ran inside a gas station. A woman used her key fob to “enter” my unlocked car and drive it home It’s been the most stressful 3 weeks of my life dealing with police, insurance and lawyers. She ended up calling it in after 3 weeks when her husband realized she picked up the wrong car. Is there any potential to be compensated for this crime even though it wasn’t malicious? | j0inc7u | j0ip94r | 1,671,230,516 | 1,671,231,362 | 8 | 10 | It would depend on where you are and the entirety of the situation. Where I live honest mistakes are generally not crimes. The most common example given for theft is the cellphone example. Lets say you place your cellphone down at a party. Another person has the exact same phone with a similar case and they pick up your phone thinking it is there's. They generally would not be liable for the theft as it was an honest mistake. Now if they end up dropping that phone and breaking the screen they can be liable in a civil suit for the damage to the phone. It hasn't been tested with a car but I bet the same printable would apply. If it's a same make model and color and can be easily mistaken for there car then no. However if they damaged that car they can be liable for damages. This all depends on the overall circumstances. | You got your car back no damage be grateful | 0 | 846 | 1.25 |
3eogxt | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | [GA,USA] I lend my car to a friend to only go to work and back home, but on his way back home from work one night, he got hit by a car, and flipped him while he was making a turn. Shocked by the accident, he abandoned my car, and I have no idea where it is. I called him yesterday morning to see if he was home, so I could get a haircut before he goes to work from 2pm to 10pm. He sounded really depressed, like something bad happened. He tells me "I'll talk to you when you get to the house." I say OK. I park beside his house, and notice my jeep was in the street where he always park it. I figured he wasn't home, so I started to call him until I see him coming out the house. "OK...." End the call, walk to him, saying "What's up?" And then the horror begins. He told me was driving home Friday night, while making a right turn into his neighborhood, when a car hit him from behind, turning my jeep on it's side. A few people stopped to check the scene, and even the guy who hit him, made sure he was ok. So, I ask him if he's ok, is he alright, and he tells me, everything is cool, just expect he has a sore pain on his neck. At first I was worried about him than jeep, but as I was just about to ask for the information on who was the driver, etc., he wasn't finished with the story at this point. He said he was so shocked and shaken by the accident he abandoned my jeep, running straight home, which he lives just around the corner. He hasn't told anyone about what happened, and couldn't even take the day off from work since he can't afford it. I feel like something is not right with the story, as much as I wanna believe him, since I known him for years and trusted him with my jeep, but I feel like everything isn't told here since he didn't even call me the night the accident happened. I know he has no record of being arrested or going to jail, since we had to check our background records to maybe move into apartment together, but now all of that is on hold. So now I have no idea on what I should do next as to call my insurance company or the police office to figure out what exactly happened, who hit my car, even if my jeep is still able to run, etc. Lucky I have my other car I been using, but I really want my jeep back. | cth6wp7 | cthag54 | 1,437,955,023 | 1,437,961,473 | 11 | 19 | Doesn't sound like much of a friend. | I'm honestly wondering-- since he didn't go to a hospital afterward, is it possible that he's got a head injury from the accident and it's affecting his judgment? It's always possible that he's just being shifty and he was actually driving drunk or something, but if this is really out-of-character for him, then something else might be going on. I would encourage him to get checked out ASAP-- he may not be able to afford it, but he can afford an untreated brain injury even less. | 0 | 6,450 | 1.727273 |
3eogxt | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | [GA,USA] I lend my car to a friend to only go to work and back home, but on his way back home from work one night, he got hit by a car, and flipped him while he was making a turn. Shocked by the accident, he abandoned my car, and I have no idea where it is. I called him yesterday morning to see if he was home, so I could get a haircut before he goes to work from 2pm to 10pm. He sounded really depressed, like something bad happened. He tells me "I'll talk to you when you get to the house." I say OK. I park beside his house, and notice my jeep was in the street where he always park it. I figured he wasn't home, so I started to call him until I see him coming out the house. "OK...." End the call, walk to him, saying "What's up?" And then the horror begins. He told me was driving home Friday night, while making a right turn into his neighborhood, when a car hit him from behind, turning my jeep on it's side. A few people stopped to check the scene, and even the guy who hit him, made sure he was ok. So, I ask him if he's ok, is he alright, and he tells me, everything is cool, just expect he has a sore pain on his neck. At first I was worried about him than jeep, but as I was just about to ask for the information on who was the driver, etc., he wasn't finished with the story at this point. He said he was so shocked and shaken by the accident he abandoned my jeep, running straight home, which he lives just around the corner. He hasn't told anyone about what happened, and couldn't even take the day off from work since he can't afford it. I feel like something is not right with the story, as much as I wanna believe him, since I known him for years and trusted him with my jeep, but I feel like everything isn't told here since he didn't even call me the night the accident happened. I know he has no record of being arrested or going to jail, since we had to check our background records to maybe move into apartment together, but now all of that is on hold. So now I have no idea on what I should do next as to call my insurance company or the police office to figure out what exactly happened, who hit my car, even if my jeep is still able to run, etc. Lucky I have my other car I been using, but I really want my jeep back. | cth9w3c | cthag54 | 1,437,960,490 | 1,437,961,473 | 7 | 19 | At the very least report it missing. | I'm honestly wondering-- since he didn't go to a hospital afterward, is it possible that he's got a head injury from the accident and it's affecting his judgment? It's always possible that he's just being shifty and he was actually driving drunk or something, but if this is really out-of-character for him, then something else might be going on. I would encourage him to get checked out ASAP-- he may not be able to afford it, but he can afford an untreated brain injury even less. | 0 | 983 | 2.714286 |
qx8k4d | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | I got screwed out of a vacation prize sponsored by a corporation. I work for a restaurant chain and they had a sales contest winners were to receive a vacation for them + 1. I won the sales contest but corporate never gave me the vacation. Can I sue for the cost of the vacation ? | hl7uhf0 | hl7u7wp | 1,637,297,557 | 1,637,297,415 | 22 | 2 | With such little information about the situation, sure, you can sue them. No guarantees. | ---
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qx8k4d | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | I got screwed out of a vacation prize sponsored by a corporation. I work for a restaurant chain and they had a sales contest winners were to receive a vacation for them + 1. I won the sales contest but corporate never gave me the vacation. Can I sue for the cost of the vacation ? | hl8jtse | hl8keq8 | 1,637,315,511 | 1,637,316,011 | 2 | 6 | The question is whether the contest was a contract. Specifically whether whatever extra work you did to sell more stuff constitutes consideration. An article about similar case involving a major restaurant chain not giving a sales contest winner the prize: https://scholars.law.unlv.edu/facpub/544/. In that case, the parties settled. | The restaurant chain you work for sponsored the contest? Was this contest open to employees or to the public? Generally in most contests, the terms and conditions state that employees of the sponsor (and often their family members) cannot enter the contest. When was the contest held? Where was the vacation to? Remember, life drastically changed in March 2020 so if the contest was held before then, the sponsor may have put vacations on hold (especially if it was an international destination). Have you reached out to someone at corporate to ask about your vacation? That would be my first step. If you did, what did they say? If you haven't, I'd do that first instead of waiting for them to contact you. With all of that said, usually the terms and conditions of contests state that the sponsor can make changes to the contest at any time without notifying each entrant. | 0 | 500 | 3 |
dz3e91 | legaladvice_train | 0.73 | My tenant gave 7-day notice to vacate the apartment in [USA-NH] because she can't afford to pay rent and has a caretaking situation with her grandmother. We're in a college town and only had a verbal agreement for a 9-12 months because she never signed a lease-what can I do? She has barely been in the apartment for the last month because she's been going to a different state to take care of her grandmother. She's likely dropping out of college next semester and her rent is late. What can I do? What are the potential consequences to this? | f84ywtl | f851esb | 1,574,263,940 | 1,574,265,520 | 109 | 263 | As someone who has had to evict a roommate, this situation is a walk in the park because she is willingly leaving. So you let her leave. You do a walkout inspection with her. You get a forwarding address so you can mail her a letter saying that you are keeping her deposit (hope there was one?) for damages + non payment of rent. You need to try to mitigate your damages, which means trying to find a new person to live there. If your schedule permits then start showing it now. Let her know that you want to show it. Hopefully you get someone in there next month (who meets your criteria). Finally, if you really want to, you can sue her a pro-rated amount for the unoccupied days. But first get her out smoothly and get the keys. | What you can do is thank your lucky stars that a tenant that is going to be unable to pay rent is notifying you promptly and moving out, without stringing you along and forcing you to go through an eviction. Moving forward, you want to have a lease with your tenants, and if they are college students, a co-signor. And a security deposit of one months rent (the legal limit in NH). | 0 | 1,580 | 2.412844 |
dz3e91 | legaladvice_train | 0.73 | My tenant gave 7-day notice to vacate the apartment in [USA-NH] because she can't afford to pay rent and has a caretaking situation with her grandmother. We're in a college town and only had a verbal agreement for a 9-12 months because she never signed a lease-what can I do? She has barely been in the apartment for the last month because she's been going to a different state to take care of her grandmother. She's likely dropping out of college next semester and her rent is late. What can I do? What are the potential consequences to this? | f84y0tt | f851esb | 1,574,263,365 | 1,574,265,520 | 14 | 263 | You can charge for the following month but if they dont have money you wont get any. They should give a thirty days. | What you can do is thank your lucky stars that a tenant that is going to be unable to pay rent is notifying you promptly and moving out, without stringing you along and forcing you to go through an eviction. Moving forward, you want to have a lease with your tenants, and if they are college students, a co-signor. And a security deposit of one months rent (the legal limit in NH). | 0 | 2,155 | 18.785714 |
dz3e91 | legaladvice_train | 0.73 | My tenant gave 7-day notice to vacate the apartment in [USA-NH] because she can't afford to pay rent and has a caretaking situation with her grandmother. We're in a college town and only had a verbal agreement for a 9-12 months because she never signed a lease-what can I do? She has barely been in the apartment for the last month because she's been going to a different state to take care of her grandmother. She's likely dropping out of college next semester and her rent is late. What can I do? What are the potential consequences to this? | f84y0tt | f84ywtl | 1,574,263,365 | 1,574,263,940 | 14 | 109 | You can charge for the following month but if they dont have money you wont get any. They should give a thirty days. | As someone who has had to evict a roommate, this situation is a walk in the park because she is willingly leaving. So you let her leave. You do a walkout inspection with her. You get a forwarding address so you can mail her a letter saying that you are keeping her deposit (hope there was one?) for damages + non payment of rent. You need to try to mitigate your damages, which means trying to find a new person to live there. If your schedule permits then start showing it now. Let her know that you want to show it. Hopefully you get someone in there next month (who meets your criteria). Finally, if you really want to, you can sue her a pro-rated amount for the unoccupied days. But first get her out smoothly and get the keys. | 0 | 575 | 7.785714 |
dz3e91 | legaladvice_train | 0.73 | My tenant gave 7-day notice to vacate the apartment in [USA-NH] because she can't afford to pay rent and has a caretaking situation with her grandmother. We're in a college town and only had a verbal agreement for a 9-12 months because she never signed a lease-what can I do? She has barely been in the apartment for the last month because she's been going to a different state to take care of her grandmother. She's likely dropping out of college next semester and her rent is late. What can I do? What are the potential consequences to this? | f85p2oy | f85jf2s | 1,574,279,971 | 1,574,276,520 | 4 | 3 | In the future, you need to do a properly written lease. Let's pretend you had a propper lease, you could then sue her in small claims court for lost rent, understanding that you have an obligation to mitigate damages by finding another renter as soon as possible. However; She is moving to another state, serving someone in another state with small claims court action is very difficult. Second, she does not have the money to pay rent and is going to take care of a grandparent which is probably unpaid, or even if it is paid by the locality for in-home support services, that money is often protected from garnishment. You would be attempting to draw blood from a turnip. This is a cheap learning experience for you. There is a massive upside to her bailing the way she has. You are not out $1,500 for eviction services plus 3 or 4 months of unpaid rent while you go through the process. Because in the end you still probably have a judgment-proof Tennant. If the place is not trashed, wish her luck and move on. | You've already gotten the legal advice from other posters. If you are feeling bad about the loss of income, depending on the size of your college town there are likely still plenty of options to sign a new student tenant, even if the semester is not over. There are likely people willing to move in ASAP. Even if there aren't, with the second semester coming up you're even more likely to find a new tenant. Plenty of students graduate mid year, plenty of students transfer school or come back/leave for study abroad trips, and plenty of students simply aren't happy with their original living situation and are looking for new living options. If you rent to non students then your options are even greater and I doubt you will be without a tenant for long. Moving forward, use a formal written lease and make sure you collect a security deposit from all tenants. | 1 | 3,451 | 1.333333 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfqh0dj | gfqv36x | 1,607,889,282 | 1,607,896,042 | 24 | 49 | You need to hire a landlord attorney to evict your sister. They may be able to assist with law enforcement if they feel that some of your sister's actions would warrant a remedy other than (faster than) an eviction. In many states an eviction can be handled successfully without an attorney but in this case, since your sister is gaming the system and forcefully made herself a tenant, I don't see this going well unless you hire an attorney. | Evictions for non-payment are different than evictions for criminal action. You/your mom need an experienced eviction lawyer. She ”established residency“ through fraudulent means. She is abusing the legal resident, and is destroying the home, as well as preventing your mother from receiving care. Your mother may also need a protective order against her. Not a lawyer, property manager | 0 | 6,760 | 2.041667 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfqih13 | gfqv36x | 1,607,889,938 | 1,607,896,042 | 9 | 49 | Perhaps Adult Protective Services may be of help. Have you called them to report elder abuse? | Evictions for non-payment are different than evictions for criminal action. You/your mom need an experienced eviction lawyer. She ”established residency“ through fraudulent means. She is abusing the legal resident, and is destroying the home, as well as preventing your mother from receiving care. Your mother may also need a protective order against her. Not a lawyer, property manager | 0 | 6,104 | 5.444444 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfqv36x | gfqqhid | 1,607,896,042 | 1,607,893,805 | 49 | 7 | Evictions for non-payment are different than evictions for criminal action. You/your mom need an experienced eviction lawyer. She ”established residency“ through fraudulent means. She is abusing the legal resident, and is destroying the home, as well as preventing your mother from receiving care. Your mother may also need a protective order against her. Not a lawyer, property manager | Can you just keep filing elder abuse claims. Seems like destroying your mom’s ability to communicate via computer and occupying and trashing her house ought to count. | 1 | 2,237 | 7 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfr1tiv | gfqih13 | 1,607,899,326 | 1,607,889,938 | 10 | 9 | An option I haven't seen mentioned yet is "cash for keys". Ask your sister what it would cost for her to agree to leave and give her keys back, then change the locks. Itll probably be expensive, but it's a lot faster than an eviction. | Perhaps Adult Protective Services may be of help. Have you called them to report elder abuse? | 1 | 9,388 | 1.111111 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfqqhid | gfr1tiv | 1,607,893,805 | 1,607,899,326 | 7 | 10 | Can you just keep filing elder abuse claims. Seems like destroying your mom’s ability to communicate via computer and occupying and trashing her house ought to count. | An option I haven't seen mentioned yet is "cash for keys". Ask your sister what it would cost for her to agree to leave and give her keys back, then change the locks. Itll probably be expensive, but it's a lot faster than an eviction. | 0 | 5,521 | 1.428571 |
kcekll | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [PA] My sister, who is addicted to drugs, established permanent residence at my disabled, elderly mom’s house by sending mail there (and intercepting it). She has destroyed the house, and my mom has no ability to force her out (despite having no lease) according to police. Please help. This is an extremely unfortunate situation. My sister was clean from drugs for quite some time, but in January started using again. She lost her apartment, and her kids went into foster care (I can’t take them as I live out of state). Knowing she was going to lose her apartment, she started to send mail to my mom’s house. My mom is wheel chair bound and elderly. She then showed up one day and said she lived there with her husband (another drug user, although he’s currently in jail). The police were called to remove them, but my mom and me were told that they can’t be removed because this is now their permanent residence. The mail being sent there I guess is enough to establish that in PA. In the next month, my sister nearly killed my mom. She ended up in the hospital with sepsis. This is because she wouldn’t let the nurse into the house to help. Now there’s a new nursing company, but they won’t come in because my sister has destroyed the house so bad (feces on the floor somehow), that the nursing company thinks it’s unsafe for a nurse to go in. I have talked to Elder abuse services, social workers at the hospital, the magistrates office, the chief of police, and they all just shrug and say they can’t do anything since it’s my sister (and her husband’s) legal residence. Which is insanity. All my mom can do is evict, but she has no legs, and my sister destroyed her computer. My mom would need to show up, and they aren’t even processing evictions right now. What can we do to get my sister out of the house? Before she really kills my mom this time (she wants the house permanently). Her husband is getting out of jail soon and there is a COVID outbreak there, and he’s going to come to my mothers place. COVID would kill my mom. Any help?? There has to be something. | gfqqhid | gfraey3 | 1,607,893,805 | 1,607,903,682 | 7 | 8 | Can you just keep filing elder abuse claims. Seems like destroying your mom’s ability to communicate via computer and occupying and trashing her house ought to count. | The police are refusing to help. You should attempt to explain to them that her "proof of residency" was fabricated, but they are under no obligation to believe or help you. Your mom needs to hire a landlord-tenant attorney who has experience with ejectment. Under normal circumstances you would file for eviction through your local Magisterial District Court. DO NOT DO THIS. Your mom needs an attorney because she needs to file a petition for ejectment with the Court of Common Pleas of your county. This is extremely difficult for non-lawyers to do and needs to be done as soon as humanly possible. In addition, your mom could also file for a Protection from Abuse (PFA) order, which is also done at the Court of Common Pleas. A PFA order evicts the defendant from the victim's residence. Has your sister committed any of the following acts of violence against your mom? >(1) Attempting to cause or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing bodily injury, serious bodily injury, rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, sexual assault, statutory sexual assault, aggravated indecent assault, indecent assault or incest with or without a deadly weapon. > >(2) Placing another in reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily injury. > >(3) The infliction of false imprisonment pursuant to 18 Pa.C.S. § 2903 (relating to false imprisonment). > >(4) Physically or sexually abusing minor children, including such terms as defined in Chapter 63 (relating to child protective services). > >(5) Knowingly engaging in a course of conduct or repeatedly committing acts toward another person, including following the person, without proper authority, under circumstances which place the person in reasonable fear of bodily injury. The definition of this paragraph applies only to proceedings commenced under this title and is inapplicable to any criminal prosecutions commenced under Title 18 (relating to crimes and offenses). Your mom needs to get an attorney first thing tomorrow. If you don't have enough money for an attorney, she should immediately attempt to go through the PFA route. A temporary PFA order will get the sister out of the house, potentially on the same day. The defendant's address needs to be your mother's address on the PFA petition in order for this to work. She needs to go through the county where the property is located, and there is almost certainly free legal aid for victims of domestic violence that could help her with filling out all of the forms. | 0 | 9,877 | 1.142857 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzd6odf | hzd6cf7 | 1,646,427,817 | 1,646,427,690 | 835 | 376 | >I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. Don't listen to Redditors on a subject as complex as easements. There isn't really enough information here for any kind of substantive answer. But there's not some amount of information that's going to let you rely on advice from an internet stranger on a subject of this complexity. You should retain counsel. >Do we just cut the lock since it is on our real property? This subject is more complex than just "it is on your property so cut the lock." Who owns the fence in which this gate is built? Is it yours? Or are you sharing the expense of fence maintenance with the neighbor? Even if the answer is the fence is full yours, I'd not cut the lock except upon the advice of your counsel. That's an unnecessary escalation. | Before you take any further steps - especially removing that lock - I recommend taking all of your research to a real estate attorney, ideally one familiar with easements and HOAs. Also, give the board until your deadline to take any actions (except speaking to a lawyer). By far the easiest way out is for the HOA to agree with you; if you escalate the issue, but the board had made up its mind to let you use that gate, then you've just created more work for yourself. | 1 | 127 | 2.220745 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzds6ii | hzdqocx | 1,646,436,337 | 1,646,435,703 | 103 | 97 | This is literally what your title company and title insurance are for. Who did your title research? Reach back out the them. They have the resources and experience. Source: Former realtor and mortgage banker. | Not a lawyer. If the easement is still of record, it should've been picked up by the title company that closed on the property (if it is touching your property). If it wasn't, you may present it to the title company and ask about it. All easements have a recorded book and page and are filed at the county (plats have their own book and page if the easement was created as part of the plat). If what you have shows a filed easement it should be easy enough to confirm it is still file of record at the county. Easements are associated with the property so everytime the property is bought and sold the easements remain. Vacating an easement is a simple procedure but it would require all associated property owners approval at the time of vacation. It is also possible that the old plat map is not current if the entire area was replatted. As for the language of the easement, since it is a legal document you may need a real lawyer to determine what is each land owners responsibility according the easement as written. | 1 | 634 | 1.061856 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzds6ii | hzdmbjm | 1,646,436,337 | 1,646,433,903 | 103 | 50 | This is literally what your title company and title insurance are for. Who did your title research? Reach back out the them. They have the resources and experience. Source: Former realtor and mortgage banker. | I can’t give any advice about Legal issues but if this is your secondary access to escape a wildfire, I would 100% keep a large powerful set of bolt cutters in the vehicle I would use to evacuate. | 1 | 2,434 | 2.06 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzds6ii | hzdqyip | 1,646,436,337 | 1,646,435,822 | 103 | 6 | This is literally what your title company and title insurance are for. Who did your title research? Reach back out the them. They have the resources and experience. Source: Former realtor and mortgage banker. | What about contacting the title company? The Schedule B items should show it if it was part of the property. Ask them, that's what they should have found. | 1 | 515 | 17.166667 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzdqocx | hzdmbjm | 1,646,435,703 | 1,646,433,903 | 97 | 50 | Not a lawyer. If the easement is still of record, it should've been picked up by the title company that closed on the property (if it is touching your property). If it wasn't, you may present it to the title company and ask about it. All easements have a recorded book and page and are filed at the county (plats have their own book and page if the easement was created as part of the plat). If what you have shows a filed easement it should be easy enough to confirm it is still file of record at the county. Easements are associated with the property so everytime the property is bought and sold the easements remain. Vacating an easement is a simple procedure but it would require all associated property owners approval at the time of vacation. It is also possible that the old plat map is not current if the entire area was replatted. As for the language of the easement, since it is a legal document you may need a real lawyer to determine what is each land owners responsibility according the easement as written. | I can’t give any advice about Legal issues but if this is your secondary access to escape a wildfire, I would 100% keep a large powerful set of bolt cutters in the vehicle I would use to evacuate. | 1 | 1,800 | 1.94 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hze2jbb | hzeg0z8 | 1,646,440,794 | 1,646,446,870 | 10 | 12 | Contact a lawyer, stop talking to them directly, take the advise that your counsel gives you. | Should call a lawyer like the others have said, but I would also suggest setting up a security camera that can cover the gate and its area on your side of the fence line, and keep a back up of any recordings it makes of movement or activity till this matter is resolved. I do like to think that most people are good, but it only takes one bad person to ruin things. | 0 | 6,076 | 1.2 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzeg0z8 | hzdqyip | 1,646,446,870 | 1,646,435,822 | 12 | 6 | Should call a lawyer like the others have said, but I would also suggest setting up a security camera that can cover the gate and its area on your side of the fence line, and keep a back up of any recordings it makes of movement or activity till this matter is resolved. I do like to think that most people are good, but it only takes one bad person to ruin things. | What about contacting the title company? The Schedule B items should show it if it was part of the property. Ask them, that's what they should have found. | 1 | 11,048 | 2 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzeg0z8 | hze99a8 | 1,646,446,870 | 1,646,443,820 | 12 | 2 | Should call a lawyer like the others have said, but I would also suggest setting up a security camera that can cover the gate and its area on your side of the fence line, and keep a back up of any recordings it makes of movement or activity till this matter is resolved. I do like to think that most people are good, but it only takes one bad person to ruin things. | If you cut the lock then they may expect you to reimburse them. If you cut the lock it's more expensive than if you cut the last link in the chain, etc. Before cutting anything, though, consult an attorney regarding the risk of being accused of criminal damage. If you are cleared to cut the last link of the chain to remove the lock, then I would immediately lock the gate in the open position and have a camera aimed at the gate - any attempt by them to damage your gate/lock could be reported as criminal damage. How far onto your property in the gate? You could put up a no trespassing sign, and maybe some verbiage that reminds folks of the specific chapter and verse of your un-named state law regarding "entering onto private property with intent to commit a crime therein (criminal mischief/damage to your gate/lock/chain) is a burglary." Really obvious game camera on a pole right the in view, extra hidden game camera showing any attempt to disable the visible one. | 1 | 3,050 | 6 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzdw0nr | hzdqyip | 1,646,437,965 | 1,646,435,822 | 13 | 6 | The type of easement matters. Great if it is a public easement or an easement for the benefit of your property, but its probably not. It is more likely the easement is for the benefit of the members of HOA B who are obligated to pay for the road's upkeep. Alternatively, it may just be a utility or emergency services easement. The easement only matters if its for your benefit. As to the property/fence technically being yours, that might not be true anymore. Arizona laws allows for an involuntary transfer of power when someone takes possession of someone else's property in a way that is \[1\] hostile; \[2\] exclusive; \[3\] actual; \[4\] open and notorious; and \[5\] continuous for the statutory period of ten years. It's called adverse possession and under some circumstances it can happen by placing a fence too far across the boundaries of someone else's property. A lawyer would be able to help you determine if this might have occurred. With respect to the safety issue, you might be able to save yourself a lot of hassle by just buying some bolt cutters and keeping them in your garage/car. That's what the fire services use when they come across a locked gate. You would be justified in cutting the lock to save your life,. You might need to replace it afterwards, but you don't need to get in a fight with the HOA now to preserve your right to save yourself in the event of a fire that might not ever even happen. | What about contacting the title company? The Schedule B items should show it if it was part of the property. Ask them, that's what they should have found. | 1 | 2,143 | 2.166667 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzdqyip | hze2jbb | 1,646,435,822 | 1,646,440,794 | 6 | 10 | What about contacting the title company? The Schedule B items should show it if it was part of the property. Ask them, that's what they should have found. | Contact a lawyer, stop talking to them directly, take the advise that your counsel gives you. | 0 | 4,972 | 1.666667 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzem5qy | hze99a8 | 1,646,449,686 | 1,646,443,820 | 4 | 2 | Sounds like its time to make your own road right next to it, and put up your own gate and lock | If you cut the lock then they may expect you to reimburse them. If you cut the lock it's more expensive than if you cut the last link in the chain, etc. Before cutting anything, though, consult an attorney regarding the risk of being accused of criminal damage. If you are cleared to cut the last link of the chain to remove the lock, then I would immediately lock the gate in the open position and have a camera aimed at the gate - any attempt by them to damage your gate/lock could be reported as criminal damage. How far onto your property in the gate? You could put up a no trespassing sign, and maybe some verbiage that reminds folks of the specific chapter and verse of your un-named state law regarding "entering onto private property with intent to commit a crime therein (criminal mischief/damage to your gate/lock/chain) is a burglary." Really obvious game camera on a pole right the in view, extra hidden game camera showing any attempt to disable the visible one. | 1 | 5,866 | 2 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hze99a8 | hzempkp | 1,646,443,820 | 1,646,449,945 | 2 | 6 | If you cut the lock then they may expect you to reimburse them. If you cut the lock it's more expensive than if you cut the last link in the chain, etc. Before cutting anything, though, consult an attorney regarding the risk of being accused of criminal damage. If you are cleared to cut the last link of the chain to remove the lock, then I would immediately lock the gate in the open position and have a camera aimed at the gate - any attempt by them to damage your gate/lock could be reported as criminal damage. How far onto your property in the gate? You could put up a no trespassing sign, and maybe some verbiage that reminds folks of the specific chapter and verse of your un-named state law regarding "entering onto private property with intent to commit a crime therein (criminal mischief/damage to your gate/lock/chain) is a burglary." Really obvious game camera on a pole right the in view, extra hidden game camera showing any attempt to disable the visible one. | Call for an improvement location certicate and draw new boundaries while you retain council. | 0 | 6,125 | 3 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hze99a8 | hzg7jep | 1,646,443,820 | 1,646,487,388 | 2 | 5 | If you cut the lock then they may expect you to reimburse them. If you cut the lock it's more expensive than if you cut the last link in the chain, etc. Before cutting anything, though, consult an attorney regarding the risk of being accused of criminal damage. If you are cleared to cut the last link of the chain to remove the lock, then I would immediately lock the gate in the open position and have a camera aimed at the gate - any attempt by them to damage your gate/lock could be reported as criminal damage. How far onto your property in the gate? You could put up a no trespassing sign, and maybe some verbiage that reminds folks of the specific chapter and verse of your un-named state law regarding "entering onto private property with intent to commit a crime therein (criminal mischief/damage to your gate/lock/chain) is a burglary." Really obvious game camera on a pole right the in view, extra hidden game camera showing any attempt to disable the visible one. | If it’s your easement through the HOA road, they cannot block your access, especially not by placing a locked chain on a gate you own! If it’s their easement, leading to your property, they still cannot place a locked chain on your gate. | 0 | 43,568 | 2.5 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hze99a8 | hzfd64a | 1,646,443,820 | 1,646,464,909 | 2 | 3 | If you cut the lock then they may expect you to reimburse them. If you cut the lock it's more expensive than if you cut the last link in the chain, etc. Before cutting anything, though, consult an attorney regarding the risk of being accused of criminal damage. If you are cleared to cut the last link of the chain to remove the lock, then I would immediately lock the gate in the open position and have a camera aimed at the gate - any attempt by them to damage your gate/lock could be reported as criminal damage. How far onto your property in the gate? You could put up a no trespassing sign, and maybe some verbiage that reminds folks of the specific chapter and verse of your un-named state law regarding "entering onto private property with intent to commit a crime therein (criminal mischief/damage to your gate/lock/chain) is a burglary." Really obvious game camera on a pole right the in view, extra hidden game camera showing any attempt to disable the visible one. | So Not a lawyer, That being said, get a legal property measuring and find out EXACTLY where the legal property line is. If it just so happens that the "easement" is on your property then if look into the technicalities of that easement with the county and local laws. If the easement is at the property owners discretion, meaning you, then get it all in writing and documented them just cut their lock and stick a heavy duty lock on there that's one of the round ones that has no room to get bolt cutters in and lock it off you can confirm that according to local law it's at your discretion. I'm more willing to be blunt when people play foul especially if I'm trying to be nice. I hate to say it but you'll likely have to put your foot down to get them to "negotiate." As far as the HOA goes, if it's on your property and you're in A then bring it up with your side and tell them, don't ask, what happened and that since it hasn't been negotiated you'll be closing it off. But again, get a property assessment of where your property ends, document it, check with local laws and possibly state laws in the event they want to sue and possibly even the police because this could easily turn in to a property dispute. If it all checks out in your favor then pop goes their lock | 0 | 21,089 | 1.5 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzempkp | hzem5qy | 1,646,449,945 | 1,646,449,686 | 6 | 4 | Call for an improvement location certicate and draw new boundaries while you retain council. | Sounds like its time to make your own road right next to it, and put up your own gate and lock | 1 | 259 | 1.5 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzg7jep | hzem5qy | 1,646,487,388 | 1,646,449,686 | 5 | 4 | If it’s your easement through the HOA road, they cannot block your access, especially not by placing a locked chain on a gate you own! If it’s their easement, leading to your property, they still cannot place a locked chain on your gate. | Sounds like its time to make your own road right next to it, and put up your own gate and lock | 1 | 37,702 | 1.25 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzg7jep | hzg3sz5 | 1,646,487,388 | 1,646,485,133 | 5 | 2 | If it’s your easement through the HOA road, they cannot block your access, especially not by placing a locked chain on a gate you own! If it’s their easement, leading to your property, they still cannot place a locked chain on your gate. | I’d also talk to your local fire chief about the legality in f blocking an agreed road. And what time f an ambulance needs to come through? | 1 | 2,255 | 2.5 |
t6sq7l | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Neighboring HOA has placed a lock on OUR gate on OUR property. I guess you're officially an adult when you are dealing with HOA drama! My husband and I recently purchased a new home. The home is located in HOA A, which is adjacent to HOA B. Our home is right on the fenceline between HOA A and HOA B, and there is a gate on our property connecting the two HOAs. Both HOAs have very large acreage and primarily dirt roads. When we purchased our home, we understood that each previous owner over the past 50 years had negotiated an agreement with HOA B for access to the gate. Gate access is desirable, because our property is located such that if we were to head to the highway through HOA A and out the main HOA A gate, it'd be a 15+ minute trip. However, since are located so close to the boundary of HOA B, it would only be a \~3 minute trip through the gate, across HOA B, and to the highway. The agreements negotiated by past owners have all been something along the lines of paying into HOA B's annual fee's to help cover road maintenance in exchange for permission to use the gate and traverse HOA B to get to the highway. When we closed on the house we were looking forward to negotiating a similar agreement for convenience, but also for safety. We live in a wild-fire prone western state (Arizona) and the landscape where we live is such that catastrophic wildfires have happened before, and will happen again. Each HOA only has one way in and one way out, so we view the gate as an extremely important route should residents of either community need to evacuate, especially if a fire or other emergency has cut off the primary route out of either HOA. Our hopes of negotiating gate access were quickly dashed when on the very day we moved in HOA B placed a chain and padlock on the gate. My husband spoke to HOA B's president, who said that HOA B would be having their annual meeting soon and we could come and discuss gate access. We were instructed to call back closer to the meeting. When we did so, HOA B's president told us that they had changed their minds and had no interest in talking to us, and that the lock would remain. At this point, we started doing our research. We tracked down old county plat maps and found what appears to be an easement (probably an old ranch road) that leads through HOA B and onto our property dating back to at least the 70s. Additionally, from what we can tell from the real estate docs, it appears that the gate, the property it is on, and its improvements (solar powered opener, etc.) do indeed belong to us. We emailed HOA B's president the documentation we had found, and we waited. And waited, and waited. After he didn't respond for a month we sent another email, this time formally requesting that he remove the lock and giving him a deadline to respond. He responded and said that the HOA B board would discuss. This is our dream home and we're probably going to be here for the rest of our lives, so we'd really like a neighborly resolution, but they got things off to a pretty hostile start when they locked the gate the day we moved in. I'd appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with easement law. I hardly even care about the convenience aspect anymore, I just want to have an additional option to get out safely if, God forbid, we have a bad fire season. Do we just cut the lock since it is on *our* real property? | hzfd64a | hzg7jep | 1,646,464,909 | 1,646,487,388 | 3 | 5 | So Not a lawyer, That being said, get a legal property measuring and find out EXACTLY where the legal property line is. If it just so happens that the "easement" is on your property then if look into the technicalities of that easement with the county and local laws. If the easement is at the property owners discretion, meaning you, then get it all in writing and documented them just cut their lock and stick a heavy duty lock on there that's one of the round ones that has no room to get bolt cutters in and lock it off you can confirm that according to local law it's at your discretion. I'm more willing to be blunt when people play foul especially if I'm trying to be nice. I hate to say it but you'll likely have to put your foot down to get them to "negotiate." As far as the HOA goes, if it's on your property and you're in A then bring it up with your side and tell them, don't ask, what happened and that since it hasn't been negotiated you'll be closing it off. But again, get a property assessment of where your property ends, document it, check with local laws and possibly state laws in the event they want to sue and possibly even the police because this could easily turn in to a property dispute. If it all checks out in your favor then pop goes their lock | If it’s your easement through the HOA road, they cannot block your access, especially not by placing a locked chain on a gate you own! If it’s their easement, leading to your property, they still cannot place a locked chain on your gate. | 0 | 22,479 | 1.666667 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqp6p0g | iqosmc9 | 1,664,675,970 | 1,664,669,052 | 27 | 10 | Document everything ASAP with pictures. If your tenant has before get those. You can/should file a police report for trespass/vandalism against the contractor who worked on your deck. Documentation will be key in proving this damage wasn’t “there” before they showed up and help you should it go before a judge. Depending if the damage is $2000 or $10000 it may be worth contacting a property attorney for consult if they would take a case to pursue damage/repair or if their time is more expensive than the damages you could get on the own. It will be worth it to pursue both the HOA and the contractor. The HOA will need to prove they didn’t give out the wrong address and the contractor will need to prove they didn’t go to the wrong address. If you can find out the contractors business/contractor insurance carrier since they are going to be the easiest to get anything accomplished. Vs the actual contractor or HOA since the contractor did the actual damage versus the HOA which is just a second party to it. | Dig up any photos you can. Get Tennant to take lots of photos of the deck as it is now. Look for the paperwork related to the replacement work done in '16. | 1 | 6,918 | 2.7 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqo03sa | iqp6p0g | 1,664,656,045 | 1,664,675,970 | 12 | 27 | Lawyer time | Document everything ASAP with pictures. If your tenant has before get those. You can/should file a police report for trespass/vandalism against the contractor who worked on your deck. Documentation will be key in proving this damage wasn’t “there” before they showed up and help you should it go before a judge. Depending if the damage is $2000 or $10000 it may be worth contacting a property attorney for consult if they would take a case to pursue damage/repair or if their time is more expensive than the damages you could get on the own. It will be worth it to pursue both the HOA and the contractor. The HOA will need to prove they didn’t give out the wrong address and the contractor will need to prove they didn’t go to the wrong address. If you can find out the contractors business/contractor insurance carrier since they are going to be the easiest to get anything accomplished. Vs the actual contractor or HOA since the contractor did the actual damage versus the HOA which is just a second party to it. | 0 | 19,925 | 2.25 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqp5ivu | iqp6p0g | 1,664,675,382 | 1,664,675,970 | 9 | 27 | How long ago did this occur. Iam a board member, not at your project. Was the contractor given the wrong address by management? Or they had the right address and made a mistake. Send a letter via email to the board via your management manager . Ask your homeowners insurance agent for advise. The board should bring it up at the next meeting . Be very nice if you threaten legal action they will probably shot down, remember you want as much info as you can get from them. If you don’t get satisfaction than either turn it over to your homeowners insurance, Or go the small claims court sue the Board, the man agent company and the contractor, make sure you have written proposals from Licensed contractors and include any other damages you incurred ie reduction of rent, etc. Good luck | Document everything ASAP with pictures. If your tenant has before get those. You can/should file a police report for trespass/vandalism against the contractor who worked on your deck. Documentation will be key in proving this damage wasn’t “there” before they showed up and help you should it go before a judge. Depending if the damage is $2000 or $10000 it may be worth contacting a property attorney for consult if they would take a case to pursue damage/repair or if their time is more expensive than the damages you could get on the own. It will be worth it to pursue both the HOA and the contractor. The HOA will need to prove they didn’t give out the wrong address and the contractor will need to prove they didn’t go to the wrong address. If you can find out the contractors business/contractor insurance carrier since they are going to be the easiest to get anything accomplished. Vs the actual contractor or HOA since the contractor did the actual damage versus the HOA which is just a second party to it. | 0 | 588 | 3 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqmqmw5 | iqp6p0g | 1,664,636,526 | 1,664,675,970 | 3 | 27 | On thing to keep in mind the law is about making you whole, not bettering yourself. If you had a very old deck, their mistake doesn't come with a brand new deck for you. | Document everything ASAP with pictures. If your tenant has before get those. You can/should file a police report for trespass/vandalism against the contractor who worked on your deck. Documentation will be key in proving this damage wasn’t “there” before they showed up and help you should it go before a judge. Depending if the damage is $2000 or $10000 it may be worth contacting a property attorney for consult if they would take a case to pursue damage/repair or if their time is more expensive than the damages you could get on the own. It will be worth it to pursue both the HOA and the contractor. The HOA will need to prove they didn’t give out the wrong address and the contractor will need to prove they didn’t go to the wrong address. If you can find out the contractors business/contractor insurance carrier since they are going to be the easiest to get anything accomplished. Vs the actual contractor or HOA since the contractor did the actual damage versus the HOA which is just a second party to it. | 0 | 39,444 | 9 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqmqmw5 | iqosmc9 | 1,664,636,526 | 1,664,669,052 | 3 | 10 | On thing to keep in mind the law is about making you whole, not bettering yourself. If you had a very old deck, their mistake doesn't come with a brand new deck for you. | Dig up any photos you can. Get Tennant to take lots of photos of the deck as it is now. Look for the paperwork related to the replacement work done in '16. | 0 | 32,526 | 3.333333 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqo03sa | iqmqmw5 | 1,664,656,045 | 1,664,636,526 | 12 | 3 | Lawyer time | On thing to keep in mind the law is about making you whole, not bettering yourself. If you had a very old deck, their mistake doesn't come with a brand new deck for you. | 1 | 19,519 | 4 |
xsw267 | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | HOA Contractors wrongly did work on my property (wrong unit), damaged deck boards, now wants me to pay for it?! My HOA (California) hired contractors to repair some patio boards for two units near me. They incorrectly went to my unit and started tearing up my patio boards, putting holes in it, ripping nails up demolition style. Halfway through they realized they were in the wrong unit, and they just left! They left the deck with caution tape everywhere, half pulled up rusty nails, missing nails, holes. The patio which was once usable is now unsafe for my tenant. He almost stepped on a rusty nail and his foot could fit through a hole they put there. The HOA never notified me of what happened, and did not return my phone calls. Recently I received a “courtesy notice” regarding the hole in the deck & how it’s my responsibility to fix it. (They claimed my boards were weak already due to water rot because my tenant has “too many plants” - he has solid photo proof that there weren’t any plants on the patio.) In our CC&R’s, the floorboards ARE the homeowners responsibility. However given this trespassing, gross negligence, and destruction of my property, do I have a case? The patio was perfectly fine before this happened. Additionally, the HOA is supposed to tell us when to replace those boards, and I have never received any notice for that. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts and experiences dealing with California HOA’s! Thank you so much for reading! :) | iqmqmw5 | iqp5ivu | 1,664,636,526 | 1,664,675,382 | 3 | 9 | On thing to keep in mind the law is about making you whole, not bettering yourself. If you had a very old deck, their mistake doesn't come with a brand new deck for you. | How long ago did this occur. Iam a board member, not at your project. Was the contractor given the wrong address by management? Or they had the right address and made a mistake. Send a letter via email to the board via your management manager . Ask your homeowners insurance agent for advise. The board should bring it up at the next meeting . Be very nice if you threaten legal action they will probably shot down, remember you want as much info as you can get from them. If you don’t get satisfaction than either turn it over to your homeowners insurance, Or go the small claims court sue the Board, the man agent company and the contractor, make sure you have written proposals from Licensed contractors and include any other damages you incurred ie reduction of rent, etc. Good luck | 0 | 38,856 | 3 |
bp0536 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Update] HoA has removed my access to property [GA] So I spoke with the HoA, and they informed me that while they have suspended access to the vehicle gate, and I am not allowed to use the two spots that are deeded to my condo, I do have access to one of the pedestrian gates, and always have. This is not true. I was delisted from the directory there, and my fob did not work. When I got home yesterday, lo and behold, I'm listed in the directory, and my fob is active. Does allowing access to one gate (despite it being on the opposite end of the complex from my apartment) cover their liability under the law? I mean, I don't understand how it helps or makes sense, but there we are. Beyond that, it seems to me that disallowing use of the parking spots is a gray area. OCGA 44-3-76 says they may suspend access to "certain common elements" of the facilities, but it does not further define which certain elements, and I cannot find any case law on it. While the HoA covenants specifically say they can suspend use of "recreational facilities" I would not consider a gate, or a parking spot recreational in nature. ​ Finally, I know I need an attorney. I have spoken with several in town, all of whom are interested, but require between $300 and $500 up front for a consultation, then their regular hourly rate. Is there a chance I could find someone who would take this on contingency, or at least provide a contingent consultation? I can dip further into savings to cover this, but at what point would my potential upside make that a reasonable expense? I'm not sure. Advice/suggestions appreciated. ​ Original Post here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/bocvzl/ga\_hoa\_has\_removed\_my\_access\_to\_property/eneyhqp/?context=3 | ennff8o | ennf4yi | 1,557,946,067 | 1,557,945,957 | 89 | 63 | Regarding hiring a lawyer on contingency, you can always ask, but it sounds like the bigger purpose of the legal action is to get the HOA to give you access. Contingency is when the lawyer takes a percentage (usually about 30%) of whatever damages you are awarded in court. If your damages are relatively low, contingency wouldn't make much sense for a lawyer. Check with your state bar, they may be able to refer you to an attorney who would give a free consultation. | did you forget you deleted your original post? | 1 | 110 | 1.412698 |
bp0536 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Update] HoA has removed my access to property [GA] So I spoke with the HoA, and they informed me that while they have suspended access to the vehicle gate, and I am not allowed to use the two spots that are deeded to my condo, I do have access to one of the pedestrian gates, and always have. This is not true. I was delisted from the directory there, and my fob did not work. When I got home yesterday, lo and behold, I'm listed in the directory, and my fob is active. Does allowing access to one gate (despite it being on the opposite end of the complex from my apartment) cover their liability under the law? I mean, I don't understand how it helps or makes sense, but there we are. Beyond that, it seems to me that disallowing use of the parking spots is a gray area. OCGA 44-3-76 says they may suspend access to "certain common elements" of the facilities, but it does not further define which certain elements, and I cannot find any case law on it. While the HoA covenants specifically say they can suspend use of "recreational facilities" I would not consider a gate, or a parking spot recreational in nature. ​ Finally, I know I need an attorney. I have spoken with several in town, all of whom are interested, but require between $300 and $500 up front for a consultation, then their regular hourly rate. Is there a chance I could find someone who would take this on contingency, or at least provide a contingent consultation? I can dip further into savings to cover this, but at what point would my potential upside make that a reasonable expense? I'm not sure. Advice/suggestions appreciated. ​ Original Post here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/bocvzl/ga\_hoa\_has\_removed\_my\_access\_to\_property/eneyhqp/?context=3 | eno2u8g | ennm28e | 1,557,954,170 | 1,557,948,363 | 28 | 13 | For an hour of time or so, an attorney can draft a very serious sounding letter that may make the HOA retreat and not have to go further. I would do that at the very least. | I personally would work this out with the board. Snowballing this to court would probably just end up costing you a ton. If you open a suit against them for the access rights they may just go ahead and try and void your payment plan and start foreclosing now. If they do that even if you win your HOA probably says that you are responsible for legal fees in all events and that means your pay 3 legal team fees, There lawyer and your lawyer twice for both separate cases. The president and other members are not monsters just power hungry assholes negotiate with them and if that breaks down then lawyer up, shit I would wait outside his condo till I got this straightened out. But yeah I will never by a condo unless I know I can get on the board those bylaws are a bitch and they are subject to change and if so I better have a hand in writing and editing them. | 1 | 5,807 | 2.153846 |
pc5p9k | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Rented a unit with multiple interior shades of white. Three years later landlord wants it one shade of white and wants us to paint the unit, or he'll sue us to make it happen. Landlord leased us a unit with multiple paint colors (eggshell and toupe/cream color on the walls, and an almost pure white border along the top of the walls). Three years later at the end of the lease, he "wants it the way he gave it," which he claims was one color. So, he wants us to paint it or pay to paint it. Who has the burden of proof? Is it worth it to fight it? I don't have pictures of the walls from three years ago, because I didn't care it was 2 colors and thought nothing of it. I do have pictures of the walls now, and they are clearly 2 colors, with roller brush strokes defining a jagged boundary about 1/3 of the way up the wall. This is in Florida, so how would "wear and tear" fit into this? We have hung pictures and have since removed them and plugged the holes. Other damage is one scuff about 2 inches by 2 inches and a wall corner that lost about 3 inches of plaster, maybe 1/16 inch deep, which I will be replastering. Painting it using "his guy" would cost us $400 + paint. | hagi83t | hagijvh | 1,630,003,642 | 1,630,003,775 | 53 | 123 | It is not your responsibility to pay to renovate the apartment for him. He won't sue you, he'll just try to take it out of your security deposit. Are you sure there aren't photos of it from before? Even ones you took of yourself hanging out where you can see the walls in the background, or the photos from the listing you applied to three years ago? | If he sues, the burden of proof is on him, but it would be prudent to assemble whatever evidence you have and to be prepared to present it in your response. This is not a wear and tear issue as such, as - assuming you had painted - that is not normal wear and tear. Instead, this is a dispute about the condition you received the unit in and whether you did or did not make unauthorized changes to it. Hanging things on the walls _is_ a wear and tear issue, but that's not what the dispute is about. | 0 | 133 | 2.320755 |
pc5p9k | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Rented a unit with multiple interior shades of white. Three years later landlord wants it one shade of white and wants us to paint the unit, or he'll sue us to make it happen. Landlord leased us a unit with multiple paint colors (eggshell and toupe/cream color on the walls, and an almost pure white border along the top of the walls). Three years later at the end of the lease, he "wants it the way he gave it," which he claims was one color. So, he wants us to paint it or pay to paint it. Who has the burden of proof? Is it worth it to fight it? I don't have pictures of the walls from three years ago, because I didn't care it was 2 colors and thought nothing of it. I do have pictures of the walls now, and they are clearly 2 colors, with roller brush strokes defining a jagged boundary about 1/3 of the way up the wall. This is in Florida, so how would "wear and tear" fit into this? We have hung pictures and have since removed them and plugged the holes. Other damage is one scuff about 2 inches by 2 inches and a wall corner that lost about 3 inches of plaster, maybe 1/16 inch deep, which I will be replastering. Painting it using "his guy" would cost us $400 + paint. | hagvbdm | haha6gf | 1,630,008,911 | 1,630,015,065 | 18 | 48 | The walls can turn green and you're not responsible. Unless it specifically states you're to paint the unit before vacating, then he is out of luck. You didn't paint it originally. You don't know what the specifications are either. What happens if you paint it with PPG paint and he wanted Sherwin Williams? Why should you have to use his vendor? None of this is probably in your lease. LL can get bent. | Not a lawyer but own rentals in a different state. Even if you did paint one of the walls a different shade of white, the wall paint is at end of life for a rental property. Interior paint in rental property has a life expectancy of 3 years according to HUD. Any reasonable landlord expects to have to repaint and do some small scuff repair after 3 years. If you haven’t moved out yet, make sure to take a video and pictures of everything in the unit including every scuff mark and what not include a ruler on the picture for size reference. Also insist on a walk through where he signs off on the condition. At this point, if he is still playing games on you paying to repaint, I’d tell him that after three years repainting a rental is to be expected and you are prepared to take this to small claims court. | 0 | 6,154 | 2.666667 |
u7zibv | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | Friend’s dad drove my car and is trying to file an injury claim under my parent’s insurance after it got hit. I need advice because I tried to talk to him about it and he pretty much just shrugged me off. My friend’s dad (60M) asked me (17F) if he could use my car to pick up some stuff he needed. His car was in the shop so I reluctantly allowed him to and so he was the driver and I was the passenger. On the way back, another car hit us (they did an illegal left turn in a right turning lane and hit the passenger side of my car). So the impact hit my side and it made me jerk forward and knock off my glasses. Long story short, the police came, filed the report which showed that it was the other driver’s fault. My friend’s dad said that was he was gonna file an injury claim on the guy’s insurance and tried to claim he was hurt by saying his back hurt and that was he was going to the emergency room. Mind you, the car hit my side and he even said that he was trying to get a check. At the time thought, I didn’t care because what he did with the other guy’s insurance had nothing to do with mine. I’m on my parents insurance and even though they never gave me a hard rule that I couldn’t allow other people to drive my car, they would be pretty pissed if I did (especially if the car got hit). So when I filed the accident, I told my parents, I was driving me and my friend to class and another car hit us. The next day, my friend’s dad was asking me the make/model/year of my car and my parents’ insurance info and I grew suspicious so I asked why. He told me it was some information his lawyer needed. I told him the police report indicated the other guy didn’t have insurance and I can’t have him trying to file some anything under my parents insurance because then it would come out that he was the driver and it’ll just get me in more trouble. It was already bad enough that I was out of a car and now he was just making it worse. He reassured me that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that he was filing under the dude’s insurance. Eventually, I get a call from my parent’s insurance that they need me to make a verified statement regarding the accident because my friend’s dad’s lawyer was filing an injury claim under my parents insurance. I was heated and yelled at him because not only did he lie and try to falsely reassure me that he wasn’t going to file under my parent’s, he tried to shrug me off by saying “oh I didn’t know my lawyer did that”. Lawyers don’t do shit like that without checking with you first. He basically ignored me and tried to say he didn’t remember me telling me the other driver didn’t have insurance which is complete bullshit. I was the one who actually got hurt during that accident ( I started having really bad migraines and my short term memory is a little spacey). How can I get him to drop the claim? | i5htnct | i5htxj2 | 1,650,469,885 | 1,650,469,997 | 7 | 11 | I would tell your insurance straight up that he told you he planned from the beginning to fake an injury claim. If you told anyone at the time about this, they can corroborate it. | > How can I get him to drop the claim? You can't, and he isn't doing anything wrong. You're the one who lied here. | 0 | 112 | 1.571429 |
u7zibv | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | Friend’s dad drove my car and is trying to file an injury claim under my parent’s insurance after it got hit. I need advice because I tried to talk to him about it and he pretty much just shrugged me off. My friend’s dad (60M) asked me (17F) if he could use my car to pick up some stuff he needed. His car was in the shop so I reluctantly allowed him to and so he was the driver and I was the passenger. On the way back, another car hit us (they did an illegal left turn in a right turning lane and hit the passenger side of my car). So the impact hit my side and it made me jerk forward and knock off my glasses. Long story short, the police came, filed the report which showed that it was the other driver’s fault. My friend’s dad said that was he was gonna file an injury claim on the guy’s insurance and tried to claim he was hurt by saying his back hurt and that was he was going to the emergency room. Mind you, the car hit my side and he even said that he was trying to get a check. At the time thought, I didn’t care because what he did with the other guy’s insurance had nothing to do with mine. I’m on my parents insurance and even though they never gave me a hard rule that I couldn’t allow other people to drive my car, they would be pretty pissed if I did (especially if the car got hit). So when I filed the accident, I told my parents, I was driving me and my friend to class and another car hit us. The next day, my friend’s dad was asking me the make/model/year of my car and my parents’ insurance info and I grew suspicious so I asked why. He told me it was some information his lawyer needed. I told him the police report indicated the other guy didn’t have insurance and I can’t have him trying to file some anything under my parents insurance because then it would come out that he was the driver and it’ll just get me in more trouble. It was already bad enough that I was out of a car and now he was just making it worse. He reassured me that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that he was filing under the dude’s insurance. Eventually, I get a call from my parent’s insurance that they need me to make a verified statement regarding the accident because my friend’s dad’s lawyer was filing an injury claim under my parents insurance. I was heated and yelled at him because not only did he lie and try to falsely reassure me that he wasn’t going to file under my parent’s, he tried to shrug me off by saying “oh I didn’t know my lawyer did that”. Lawyers don’t do shit like that without checking with you first. He basically ignored me and tried to say he didn’t remember me telling me the other driver didn’t have insurance which is complete bullshit. I was the one who actually got hurt during that accident ( I started having really bad migraines and my short term memory is a little spacey). How can I get him to drop the claim? | i5htxj2 | i5htlk6 | 1,650,469,997 | 1,650,469,866 | 11 | 6 | > How can I get him to drop the claim? You can't, and he isn't doing anything wrong. You're the one who lied here. | You can’t get him to drop the claim and it is entirely possibly he is hurt. I would come clean to your parents so you guys can figure this out. Did you lie on any legal documents or just to your parents? | 1 | 131 | 1.833333 |
u7zibv | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | Friend’s dad drove my car and is trying to file an injury claim under my parent’s insurance after it got hit. I need advice because I tried to talk to him about it and he pretty much just shrugged me off. My friend’s dad (60M) asked me (17F) if he could use my car to pick up some stuff he needed. His car was in the shop so I reluctantly allowed him to and so he was the driver and I was the passenger. On the way back, another car hit us (they did an illegal left turn in a right turning lane and hit the passenger side of my car). So the impact hit my side and it made me jerk forward and knock off my glasses. Long story short, the police came, filed the report which showed that it was the other driver’s fault. My friend’s dad said that was he was gonna file an injury claim on the guy’s insurance and tried to claim he was hurt by saying his back hurt and that was he was going to the emergency room. Mind you, the car hit my side and he even said that he was trying to get a check. At the time thought, I didn’t care because what he did with the other guy’s insurance had nothing to do with mine. I’m on my parents insurance and even though they never gave me a hard rule that I couldn’t allow other people to drive my car, they would be pretty pissed if I did (especially if the car got hit). So when I filed the accident, I told my parents, I was driving me and my friend to class and another car hit us. The next day, my friend’s dad was asking me the make/model/year of my car and my parents’ insurance info and I grew suspicious so I asked why. He told me it was some information his lawyer needed. I told him the police report indicated the other guy didn’t have insurance and I can’t have him trying to file some anything under my parents insurance because then it would come out that he was the driver and it’ll just get me in more trouble. It was already bad enough that I was out of a car and now he was just making it worse. He reassured me that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that he was filing under the dude’s insurance. Eventually, I get a call from my parent’s insurance that they need me to make a verified statement regarding the accident because my friend’s dad’s lawyer was filing an injury claim under my parents insurance. I was heated and yelled at him because not only did he lie and try to falsely reassure me that he wasn’t going to file under my parent’s, he tried to shrug me off by saying “oh I didn’t know my lawyer did that”. Lawyers don’t do shit like that without checking with you first. He basically ignored me and tried to say he didn’t remember me telling me the other driver didn’t have insurance which is complete bullshit. I was the one who actually got hurt during that accident ( I started having really bad migraines and my short term memory is a little spacey). How can I get him to drop the claim? | i5htlk6 | i5hul0d | 1,650,469,866 | 1,650,470,250 | 6 | 7 | You can’t get him to drop the claim and it is entirely possibly he is hurt. I would come clean to your parents so you guys can figure this out. Did you lie on any legal documents or just to your parents? | You need to talk to your parents so that they can help you. You messed up by not being honest with your parents which allowed the guy to take advantage of you. If he made a comment about trying to get a check I would tell your parents that as well. As an adult and an experienced driver if he has been paying attention he might have been able to react in time to either avoid or minimize the damage to your car. The other driver may have made an illegal turn but I am not so sure this guy would be in the clear. You are a minor and he is playing you. You and your parents need to talk to a lawyer. | 0 | 384 | 1.166667 |
u7zibv | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | Friend’s dad drove my car and is trying to file an injury claim under my parent’s insurance after it got hit. I need advice because I tried to talk to him about it and he pretty much just shrugged me off. My friend’s dad (60M) asked me (17F) if he could use my car to pick up some stuff he needed. His car was in the shop so I reluctantly allowed him to and so he was the driver and I was the passenger. On the way back, another car hit us (they did an illegal left turn in a right turning lane and hit the passenger side of my car). So the impact hit my side and it made me jerk forward and knock off my glasses. Long story short, the police came, filed the report which showed that it was the other driver’s fault. My friend’s dad said that was he was gonna file an injury claim on the guy’s insurance and tried to claim he was hurt by saying his back hurt and that was he was going to the emergency room. Mind you, the car hit my side and he even said that he was trying to get a check. At the time thought, I didn’t care because what he did with the other guy’s insurance had nothing to do with mine. I’m on my parents insurance and even though they never gave me a hard rule that I couldn’t allow other people to drive my car, they would be pretty pissed if I did (especially if the car got hit). So when I filed the accident, I told my parents, I was driving me and my friend to class and another car hit us. The next day, my friend’s dad was asking me the make/model/year of my car and my parents’ insurance info and I grew suspicious so I asked why. He told me it was some information his lawyer needed. I told him the police report indicated the other guy didn’t have insurance and I can’t have him trying to file some anything under my parents insurance because then it would come out that he was the driver and it’ll just get me in more trouble. It was already bad enough that I was out of a car and now he was just making it worse. He reassured me that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that he was filing under the dude’s insurance. Eventually, I get a call from my parent’s insurance that they need me to make a verified statement regarding the accident because my friend’s dad’s lawyer was filing an injury claim under my parents insurance. I was heated and yelled at him because not only did he lie and try to falsely reassure me that he wasn’t going to file under my parent’s, he tried to shrug me off by saying “oh I didn’t know my lawyer did that”. Lawyers don’t do shit like that without checking with you first. He basically ignored me and tried to say he didn’t remember me telling me the other driver didn’t have insurance which is complete bullshit. I was the one who actually got hurt during that accident ( I started having really bad migraines and my short term memory is a little spacey). How can I get him to drop the claim? | i5htnct | i5htlk6 | 1,650,469,885 | 1,650,469,866 | 7 | 6 | I would tell your insurance straight up that he told you he planned from the beginning to fake an injury claim. If you told anyone at the time about this, they can corroborate it. | You can’t get him to drop the claim and it is entirely possibly he is hurt. I would come clean to your parents so you guys can figure this out. Did you lie on any legal documents or just to your parents? | 1 | 19 | 1.166667 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0glo0v | j0gm5wx | 1,671,200,741 | 1,671,200,959 | 597 | 922 | Call the police and an attorney. The fact he told you not to means he doesn’t have a leg to stand on if you put up any kind of fight. Let them know you fear for the safety or yourself and your family because of this person’s threats | If someone stole all your car and told you, "Hey just go with it, don't call the police." Would you just accept it? A House is generally worth more than a car. This person is attempting, or has stolen your house. Is defrauding another person. You should 100% call the police. This fraudster is not your friend. The sooner you get the ball rolling by contacting the police, contacting the LLC to let them know that you own the house and they have been defrauded. Contact a real estate attorney to get this quit claim rescinded, the sooner you can move on with your life. As other have said check with your insurance company to see if they will pay for a lawyer, and if you have a mortgage inform the lender of the issue. | 0 | 218 | 1.544389 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gjhew | j0gm5wx | 1,671,199,762 | 1,671,200,959 | 314 | 922 | Did he forge your signature? Anyone can make a "quit claim" deed - it just means they are quitting any claims they have to the property. For example, you could "quit claim" Disney world and it basically means if you had any ownership in Disney, you are quitting your claim to it. A quit claim deed is the worst quality deed there is, and it doesn't actually guarantee you have conveyed something, just that the executor is waiving their rights. Time to hire an attorney. May be worth calling your title insurance/ homeowners insurance too | If someone stole all your car and told you, "Hey just go with it, don't call the police." Would you just accept it? A House is generally worth more than a car. This person is attempting, or has stolen your house. Is defrauding another person. You should 100% call the police. This fraudster is not your friend. The sooner you get the ball rolling by contacting the police, contacting the LLC to let them know that you own the house and they have been defrauded. Contact a real estate attorney to get this quit claim rescinded, the sooner you can move on with your life. As other have said check with your insurance company to see if they will pay for a lawyer, and if you have a mortgage inform the lender of the issue. | 0 | 1,197 | 2.936306 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gm5wx | j0gl4eo | 1,671,200,959 | 1,671,200,500 | 922 | 88 | If someone stole all your car and told you, "Hey just go with it, don't call the police." Would you just accept it? A House is generally worth more than a car. This person is attempting, or has stolen your house. Is defrauding another person. You should 100% call the police. This fraudster is not your friend. The sooner you get the ball rolling by contacting the police, contacting the LLC to let them know that you own the house and they have been defrauded. Contact a real estate attorney to get this quit claim rescinded, the sooner you can move on with your life. As other have said check with your insurance company to see if they will pay for a lawyer, and if you have a mortgage inform the lender of the issue. | Hopefully you have homeowner's insurance. If so, that would be my first call. Second, if you have an outstanding mortgage on the house you should call the bank and let them know what is going on. The bank *absolutely* has an interest in preserving their security interest (the house). Finally, talk to a lawyer that specializes in real estate. > he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police Don't take legal advice from your opponent. | 1 | 459 | 10.477273 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gm5wx | j0gig5t | 1,671,200,959 | 1,671,199,279 | 922 | 47 | If someone stole all your car and told you, "Hey just go with it, don't call the police." Would you just accept it? A House is generally worth more than a car. This person is attempting, or has stolen your house. Is defrauding another person. You should 100% call the police. This fraudster is not your friend. The sooner you get the ball rolling by contacting the police, contacting the LLC to let them know that you own the house and they have been defrauded. Contact a real estate attorney to get this quit claim rescinded, the sooner you can move on with your life. As other have said check with your insurance company to see if they will pay for a lawyer, and if you have a mortgage inform the lender of the issue. | You need to contact a real estate attorney, literally right now. Was a title company used when the house was deeded to you? Do you have title insurance? | 1 | 1,680 | 19.617021 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0glhrf | j0gm5wx | 1,671,200,663 | 1,671,200,959 | 26 | 922 | Police first now then reach out to an attorney. | If someone stole all your car and told you, "Hey just go with it, don't call the police." Would you just accept it? A House is generally worth more than a car. This person is attempting, or has stolen your house. Is defrauding another person. You should 100% call the police. This fraudster is not your friend. The sooner you get the ball rolling by contacting the police, contacting the LLC to let them know that you own the house and they have been defrauded. Contact a real estate attorney to get this quit claim rescinded, the sooner you can move on with your life. As other have said check with your insurance company to see if they will pay for a lawyer, and if you have a mortgage inform the lender of the issue. | 0 | 296 | 35.461538 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gjhew | j0glo0v | 1,671,199,762 | 1,671,200,741 | 314 | 597 | Did he forge your signature? Anyone can make a "quit claim" deed - it just means they are quitting any claims they have to the property. For example, you could "quit claim" Disney world and it basically means if you had any ownership in Disney, you are quitting your claim to it. A quit claim deed is the worst quality deed there is, and it doesn't actually guarantee you have conveyed something, just that the executor is waiving their rights. Time to hire an attorney. May be worth calling your title insurance/ homeowners insurance too | Call the police and an attorney. The fact he told you not to means he doesn’t have a leg to stand on if you put up any kind of fight. Let them know you fear for the safety or yourself and your family because of this person’s threats | 0 | 979 | 1.901274 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gl4eo | j0glo0v | 1,671,200,500 | 1,671,200,741 | 88 | 597 | Hopefully you have homeowner's insurance. If so, that would be my first call. Second, if you have an outstanding mortgage on the house you should call the bank and let them know what is going on. The bank *absolutely* has an interest in preserving their security interest (the house). Finally, talk to a lawyer that specializes in real estate. > he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police Don't take legal advice from your opponent. | Call the police and an attorney. The fact he told you not to means he doesn’t have a leg to stand on if you put up any kind of fight. Let them know you fear for the safety or yourself and your family because of this person’s threats | 0 | 241 | 6.784091 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gig5t | j0glo0v | 1,671,199,279 | 1,671,200,741 | 47 | 597 | You need to contact a real estate attorney, literally right now. Was a title company used when the house was deeded to you? Do you have title insurance? | Call the police and an attorney. The fact he told you not to means he doesn’t have a leg to stand on if you put up any kind of fight. Let them know you fear for the safety or yourself and your family because of this person’s threats | 0 | 1,462 | 12.702128 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0glo0v | j0glhrf | 1,671,200,741 | 1,671,200,663 | 597 | 26 | Call the police and an attorney. The fact he told you not to means he doesn’t have a leg to stand on if you put up any kind of fight. Let them know you fear for the safety or yourself and your family because of this person’s threats | Police first now then reach out to an attorney. | 1 | 78 | 22.961538 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gjhew | j0gpg2i | 1,671,199,762 | 1,671,202,366 | 314 | 330 | Did he forge your signature? Anyone can make a "quit claim" deed - it just means they are quitting any claims they have to the property. For example, you could "quit claim" Disney world and it basically means if you had any ownership in Disney, you are quitting your claim to it. A quit claim deed is the worst quality deed there is, and it doesn't actually guarantee you have conveyed something, just that the executor is waiving their rights. Time to hire an attorney. May be worth calling your title insurance/ homeowners insurance too | Does the quit claim deed have your name on it? Does it have your signature on it? You should contact both a local real estate attorney and the police. You are not fucked here. You will need to spend some money on an attorney. You will need to throw some of your time at this. But otherwise you should be fine, unless it is actually your signature. | 0 | 2,604 | 1.050955 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gpg2i | j0gl4eo | 1,671,202,366 | 1,671,200,500 | 330 | 88 | Does the quit claim deed have your name on it? Does it have your signature on it? You should contact both a local real estate attorney and the police. You are not fucked here. You will need to spend some money on an attorney. You will need to throw some of your time at this. But otherwise you should be fine, unless it is actually your signature. | Hopefully you have homeowner's insurance. If so, that would be my first call. Second, if you have an outstanding mortgage on the house you should call the bank and let them know what is going on. The bank *absolutely* has an interest in preserving their security interest (the house). Finally, talk to a lawyer that specializes in real estate. > he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police Don't take legal advice from your opponent. | 1 | 1,866 | 3.75 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gig5t | j0gpg2i | 1,671,199,279 | 1,671,202,366 | 47 | 330 | You need to contact a real estate attorney, literally right now. Was a title company used when the house was deeded to you? Do you have title insurance? | Does the quit claim deed have your name on it? Does it have your signature on it? You should contact both a local real estate attorney and the police. You are not fucked here. You will need to spend some money on an attorney. You will need to throw some of your time at this. But otherwise you should be fine, unless it is actually your signature. | 0 | 3,087 | 7.021277 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gpg2i | j0gmc56 | 1,671,202,366 | 1,671,201,032 | 330 | 33 | Does the quit claim deed have your name on it? Does it have your signature on it? You should contact both a local real estate attorney and the police. You are not fucked here. You will need to spend some money on an attorney. You will need to throw some of your time at this. But otherwise you should be fine, unless it is actually your signature. | Cut off all contact with this person and call the police at minimum. This is pretty serious fraud | 1 | 1,334 | 10 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gpg2i | j0glhrf | 1,671,202,366 | 1,671,200,663 | 330 | 26 | Does the quit claim deed have your name on it? Does it have your signature on it? You should contact both a local real estate attorney and the police. You are not fucked here. You will need to spend some money on an attorney. You will need to throw some of your time at this. But otherwise you should be fine, unless it is actually your signature. | Police first now then reach out to an attorney. | 1 | 1,703 | 12.692308 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0h0yoy | j0gjhew | 1,671,207,005 | 1,671,199,762 | 322 | 314 | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | Did he forge your signature? Anyone can make a "quit claim" deed - it just means they are quitting any claims they have to the property. For example, you could "quit claim" Disney world and it basically means if you had any ownership in Disney, you are quitting your claim to it. A quit claim deed is the worst quality deed there is, and it doesn't actually guarantee you have conveyed something, just that the executor is waiving their rights. Time to hire an attorney. May be worth calling your title insurance/ homeowners insurance too | 1 | 7,243 | 1.025478 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0h0yoy | j0guphs | 1,671,207,005 | 1,671,204,541 | 322 | 294 | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | The poster states they had no intention of selling their home.. however they do not state if they “actually signed” the quit claim deed. They also say the other person pretended to be a good friend.. this makes me think there was some form of relationship. They said they “couldn’t believe the lengths he went to or that he would do this to me”..I am thinking there’s more to the story, and this person may have willingly put the other person on the deed and things didn’t go as planned. Maybe the other person took over payments or caught up taxes.. or maybe they pretended to be a love interest but are really just a jerk and wanted to liquidate the property for a profit. I don’t know the specifics, but I do think there are a lot more details to the story. | 1 | 2,464 | 1.095238 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gl4eo | j0h0yoy | 1,671,200,500 | 1,671,207,005 | 88 | 322 | Hopefully you have homeowner's insurance. If so, that would be my first call. Second, if you have an outstanding mortgage on the house you should call the bank and let them know what is going on. The bank *absolutely* has an interest in preserving their security interest (the house). Finally, talk to a lawyer that specializes in real estate. > he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police Don't take legal advice from your opponent. | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | 0 | 6,505 | 3.659091 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gig5t | j0h0yoy | 1,671,199,279 | 1,671,207,005 | 47 | 322 | You need to contact a real estate attorney, literally right now. Was a title company used when the house was deeded to you? Do you have title insurance? | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | 0 | 7,726 | 6.851064 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0h0yoy | j0gmc56 | 1,671,207,005 | 1,671,201,032 | 322 | 33 | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | Cut off all contact with this person and call the police at minimum. This is pretty serious fraud | 1 | 5,973 | 9.757576 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0h0yoy | j0glhrf | 1,671,207,005 | 1,671,200,663 | 322 | 26 | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | Police first now then reach out to an attorney. | 1 | 6,342 | 12.384615 |
zneh8y | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Quit Claim Title Fraud and now they sold my home out from under my feet. AmIFucked? On the 12th of December, I woke up to find a notice posted on the garage door to my home, which was a notice to Quit & Vacate to any and all occupants. The notice also says that my right to possession of my property has been terminated because the property has been sold on 30 November. This notice was posted by a representative from a local LLC that buys the property. I did not participate in any agreement to sell my property, nor do I intend to sell my home. I then went online to check the status of my property deed on the county assessor parcel map. To my surprise, I found that the property deed was now a “quit claim” deed posted on the 27th of September. This fictitious deed is stating that I am relinquishing 100% of my ownership to Someone Else. This Someone is someone who pretended to be a close friend of mine and gained my trust. I never suspected that he would go to the lengths he went to, or that he would do anything like this to me. When I asked him what this was all about he said it would be in my best interest to just go along with what he was doing and not litigate or go to the police. I fear for my safety and for the safety of my loved ones, should he find out that I am not going along with his plan. I never agreed to any of this, and I don’t want to lose my home. This is the house I grew up in and it was left to me by my parents after they passed away. My parents worked hard to make sure that I would have this house when I came of age, and they would be so disappointed and upset to see this happen to me. There must be a way to reverse the damage done by Someone, there must be some action I can take to prevent the damage from becoming permanent. Or AmIFucked? | j0gtyyt | j0h0yoy | 1,671,204,244 | 1,671,207,005 | 12 | 322 | Call your local county recorders office which files property documents in the public record and report the deed as false. Check to see if a title company, business or person filed the false deed. File a police report that the deed is false and list who filed the deed. You can notify a lawyer or your local legal aid about what has happened to get assistance to nullify the false deed. You can file a complaint with the consumer protection division of attorney Generals Office what has happened and request an investigation. You can hire a title company to repair the title. | "this person... gained my trust" Did they EVER have you sign ANTHING, ever at all. They may have lied about what you were signing if it did indeed occur. | 0 | 2,761 | 26.833333 |
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