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And I thought it was astonishing to speculate, as if this were a competition, on something that was such a fresh wound.
ูˆููƒุฑุช ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏู‡ุด ุฃู† ู†ุฎู…ู† ูƒู…ุง ู„ูˆ ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ู†ุงูุณุฉุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃุนุชุจุฑู‡ ุฌุฑุญุง ู†ุฏูŠุง
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And I had a series of discussions -- first with Rick Scofidio and Liz Diller, who collaborated with us on this, and several other people -- and really felt like we had to find relevance in doing something.
ูุฃุฌุฑูŠุช ุณู„ุณุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุดุงุช ุงู„ุฌุงุฏุฉ ุฃูˆู„ุง ู…ุน ุฑูŠูƒ ุณูƒูˆููŠุฏูŠูˆ ูˆ ู„ูŠุฒ ุฏูŠู„ุฑ ุŒ ูˆุงู„ู„ุฐุงู† ุชุนุงูˆู†ุง ู…ุนู†ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุดุฃู† ูˆ ุนุฏุฉ ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุขุฎุฑูŠู†... ูˆ ุดุนุฑุช ุจุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุงุจุฏ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุง
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And that as people who create places, the ultimate way to help wasn't to pontificate or to make up scenarios, but to help right now.
ูˆูƒุฃู†ุงุณ ู†ุจู†ูŠ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ุŒ ูุฅู† ุฃู‚ุตู‰ ุทุฑู‚ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ู„ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ุจุฅู‚ุงู…ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุงุณ ุฃูˆ ุจุฎู„ู‚ ุงู„ุณูŠู†ุงุฑูŠูˆู‡ุงุชุŒ ุจู„ ุจุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุญุงู„ุง
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So we tried to come up with a way, as a group, to have a kind of design SWAT team.
ูˆู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุญุงูˆู„ู†ุง ุงู„ุชูˆุตู„ ู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ูƒู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุชู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ู…ุงู‡ูˆ ุนู„ู‰ ุดุงูƒู„ุฉ ูุฑูŠู‚ "ุณูˆุงุช"
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And that was the mission that we came up with.
ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชูˆุตู„ู†ุง ุฅู„ูŠู‡ุง
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KA: Were you conscious of suddenly -- as a designer whose work is all about fulfilling wants -- suddenly fulfilling needs?
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฅู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ู‡ู„ ูƒู†ุช ู…ุฏุฑูƒุง ุจุฃู†ูƒ ุชุบูŠุฑุช ูุฌุฃุฉ ู…ู† ู…ุตู…ู… ูŠู„ุจูŠ ุจุฃุนู…ุงู„ู‡ ุงู„ุฑุบุจุงุช ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู„ุจูŠ ุญุงุฌุงุชุŸ
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DR: Well what I was aware of was, there was this overwhelming need to act now.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„:ุญุณู†ุงุŒู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฏุฑูƒู‡ ุจุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุญุงุฌุฉ ู…ู„ุญุฉ ุชุชุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ุง ุงู„ุชุญุฑูƒ ุญุงู„ุง
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And we were asked to participate in a few projects before this.
ูˆู‚ุฏ ุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู…ุดุงุฑูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู‚ุจู„ ู‡ุฐุง
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There was a school, PS 234, that had been evacuated down at Ground Zero.
ู…ุซู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ PS 234 ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู… ุฅุฎู„ุงุคู‡ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ุตูุฑ
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They moved to an abandoned school.
ุงู†ุชู‚ู„ู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฌู‡ูˆุฑุฉ
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We took about 20 or 30 architects and designers and artists, and over four days -- it was like this urban barn-raising -- to renovate it, and everyone wanted to help.
ุงุตุทุญุจู†ุง ู…ุง ูŠู‚ุงุฑุจ ุงู„ุนุดุฑูŠู† ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุซู„ุงุซูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุนู…ุงุฑูŠูŠู†ุŒ ุงู„ู…ุตู…ู…ูŠู† ูˆ ุงู„ูู†ุงู†ูŠู† ูˆุฎู„ุงู„ ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุฃูŠุงู…... ูƒุงู†ุช "ูƒุญุธูŠุฑุฉ ุนู…ู„" ููŠ ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุชุฑู…ูŠู…ู‡ุง ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃุฑุงุฏ ุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ
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It was just extraordinary.
ูƒุงู† ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฃู…ุฑุง ุฑุงุฆุนุง
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Tom Otterness contributed, Maira Kalman contributed and it became this cathartic experience for us.
ุณุงู‡ู… ุชูˆู… ุฃูˆุชุฑู†ุณุŒ ูˆุณุงู‡ู…ุช ู…ูŠุฑุง ูƒุงู„ู…ุงู† ูˆุฃุตุจุญุช ูƒุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุนู„ุงุฌูŠุฉ ู„ู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนุง
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KA: And that was done, effectively, by October 8 or something?
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ูˆู‚ุฏ ุชู… ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ู‡ุฐุง ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุญูˆ ูุนุงู„ ููŠ ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃุณุงุจูŠุน... ุฃูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุซุงู…ู† ู…ู† ุฃูƒุชูˆุจุฑ ุฃูˆ ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„ุŸ
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DR: Yeah.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ู†ุนู…
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KA: Obviously, what you faced in trying to do something as substantial as this project -- and this is only one of four that you've designed to surround the site -- you must have run up against the incredibly byzantine, entrenched bureaucracy and powers that be in New York real estate and New York politics.
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†: ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญ ุฃู† ู…ุงูˆุงุฌู‡ุชู‡ ููŠ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุชูƒ ู„ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู‡ู… ู…ุซู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุดุฑูˆุน- ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูู‚ุท ูŠุนุชุจุฑ ูˆุงุญุฏ ู…ู† ุฃุฑุจุน ู…ุดุงุฑูŠุน ู‚ู…ุช ุจุชุตู…ูŠู…ู‡ุง ู„ุฅุญุงุทุฉ ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน- ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆู ุถุฏ ุงู„ุจูŠุฒู†ุทูŠุฉ ุงู„ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุนู‚ูˆู„ุฉุŒ ูˆ ุงู„ุจูŠุฑูˆู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุณุฎุฉ ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุฉ ููŠ ุนู‚ุงุฑุงุช ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ ูˆ ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒุŸ
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DR: Well, it's a funny thing.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„:ุญุณู†ุงุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุถุญูƒ
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We finished PS 234, and had dinner with a small group.
ุงู†ุชู‡ูŠู†ุง ู…ู† PS 234 ูˆ ุชู†ุงูˆู„ู†ุง ุงู„ุนุดุงุก ู…ุน ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ
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I was actually asked to be a committee chair on an AIA committee to rebuild.
ูˆ ุณุฆู„ุช ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ุฃุชูˆู„ู‰ ุฑุฆุงุณุฉ ู„ุฌู†ุฉ AIA ู„ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุจู†ุงุก
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And I sat in on several meetings.
ูุญุถุฑุช ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุฌุชู…ุงุนุงุช
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And there were the most circuitous grand plans that had to do with long-term infrastructure and rebuilding the entire city.
ูˆูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎุทุท ุงู„ูƒุจุฑู‰ ุงู„ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู‚ุฉ ุจุงู„ุจู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุญุชูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุทูˆูŠู„ ูˆุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุจุฃูƒู…ู„ู‡ุง.
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And the fact is that there were immediate wounds and needs that needed to be filled, and there was talk about inclusion and wanting it to be an inclusive process.
ูˆุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงุญุชูŠุงุฌุงุช ุถุฑูˆุฑูŠุฉ ู„ุงุจุฏ ู…ู† ุชู„ุจูŠุชู‡ุง ูˆูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ู‚ุงุด ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุงู†ุฏู…ุงุฌ ุจุญูŠุซ ุชูƒูˆู† ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุดุงู…ู„ุฉ
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And it wasn't an inclusive group.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุดุงู…ู„ุฉ
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So we said, what is -- KA: It was not an inclusive group?
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‚ู„ู†ุง:ู…ุงู‡ูˆ... ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ุฅุฐุง.. ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุดุงู…ู„ุฉุŸ
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DR: It was not an inclusive group.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุดุงู…ู„ุฉ
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It was predominantly a white, rich, corporate group that was not representative of the city.
ููŠ ุงู„ุบุงู„ุจ ู‡ูŠ ุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุนู† ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ุคุณุณูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจูŠุถ ุงู„ุฃุบู†ูŠุงุก ูˆู„ู… ุชูƒู† ุชู…ุซู„ ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ
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KA: Shocking.
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ุตุฏู…ุฉ!
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DR: Yeah, surprising.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„:ู†ุนู…ุŒุฃู…ุฑ ู…ูุงุฌุฆ
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So Rick and Liz and Kevin and I came up with the idea.
ูˆู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุชูŠู†ุง ุฃู†ุง ูˆ ุฑูŠูƒ ูˆู„ูŠุฒ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ
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The city actually approached us.
ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุชุนุงู…ู„ุช ู…ุนู†ุง
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We first approached the city about Pier 94.
ุชุนุงู…ู„ู†ุง ู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ุฑุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุฑุตูŠู 94
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We saw how PS 234 worked.
ุฑุฃูŠู†ุง ู†ุฌุงุญ ู…ุดุฑูˆุน ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ PS 234 .
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The families -- the victims of the families -- were going to this pier that was incredibly dehumanizing.
ุงู„ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช-ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช ุงู„ุถุญุงูŠุง ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุตูŠู ุŒ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚
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KA: On the Hudson River?
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ุนู„ู‰ ู†ู‡ุฑ ู‡ูŠุฏุณูˆู†ุŸ
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DR: Yeah. And the city actually -- through Tim Zagat initially, and then through Christyne Nicholas, then we got to Giuliani -- said, "You know we don't want to do anything with Pier 94 right now, but we have an observation platform for the families down at Ground Zero that we'd like to be a more dignified experience for the families, and a way to protect it from the weather."
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„"ุชูŠู… ุฒุงุฌุงุช" ู…ุจุฏุฆูŠุง ู…ู† ุซู… ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ "ูƒุฑูŠุณุชูŠู† ู†ูŠูƒูˆู„ุงุณ" ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูˆุตู„ู†ุง ู„ู€"ุฌูˆู„ูŠุงู†ูŠ" ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ุงู„:"ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ู†ูุนู„ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ุจุฑุตูŠู 94 ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ู†ุตุฉ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชูˆุงุฌุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ุฃุณูู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ุตูุฑ ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชูƒุฑูŠู…ุง ู„ู„ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช ูˆุฃูŠุถุง ู„ุญู…ุงูŠุชู‡ู… ู…ู† ุชู‚ู„ุจุงุช ุงู„ุทู‚ุณ.
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So I went down there with Rick and Liz and Kevin, and I've got to say, it was the most moving experience of my life.
ูุฐู‡ุจุช ุงู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุน ุฑูŠูƒ ูˆู„ูŠุฒ ูˆูƒูŠูู†ุŒ ูˆุนู„ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุจุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ู† ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฃุซุฑุช ุจู‡ุง ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ
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It was devastating to see the simple plywood platform with a rail around it, where the families of the victims had left notes to them.
ูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุญุจุท ุฑุคูŠุฉ ู…ู†ุตุฉ ุฎุดุจูŠุฉ ุจุณูŠุทุฉ ู…ุญุงุทุฉ ุจุญุงุฌุฒ ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ุฃู‡ุงู„ูŠ ุงู„ุถุญุงูŠุง ุชุฑูƒ ุงู„ุฑุณุงุฆู„ ู„ู‡ู…
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And there was no mediation between us and the experience.
ู„ุงูŠูˆุฌุฏ ู…ุง ูŠูุตู„ู†ุง ุนู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ
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There was no filter.
ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุญุงุฌุฒ
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And I remembered on September 11th, on 14th Street, the roof of our building -- we can see the World Trade Towers prominently -- and I saw the first building collapse from a conference room on the eighth floor on a TV that we had set up.
ูˆุชุฐูƒุฑุช ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุญุงุฏูŠ ุนุดุฑ ู…ู† ุณุจุชู…ุจุฑ ุŒ ููŠ ุดุงุฑุน 14 ุนู„ู‰ ุณุทุญ ุงู„ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒู†ุง ููŠู‡.. ุฃู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฑู‰ ุจูˆุถูˆุญ ุฃุจุฑุงุฌ ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ ูˆุฑุฃูŠุช ุงู†ู‡ูŠุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ู† ุบุฑูุฉ ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนุงุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชู„ูุงุฒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูˆุถุนู†ุงู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ุทุงุจู‚ ุงู„ุซุงู…ู†
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And then everyone was up on the roof, so I ran up there.
ุตุนุฏ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณุทุญุŒ ูุฑูƒุถุช ุงู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
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And it was amazing how much harder it was to believe in real life than it was on TV.
ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฐู‡ู„ ุฃู† ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุตุนูˆุจุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุฑุถ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุชู„ูุงุฒ
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There was something about the comfort of the filter and how much information was between us and the experience.
ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ูˆุนุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ูˆ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…..ุญุฌู… ุงู„ุชูˆุงุตู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุญุฏุซ ุจูŠู†ู†ุง ูˆ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ
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So seeing this in a very simple, dignified way was a very powerful experience.
ุฅุฐุง ุฑุคูŠุฉ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุญูˆ ุจุณูŠุท ูˆู…ูˆู‚ุฑ ูƒุงู† ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุฏุงูุนุฉ
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So we went back to the city and said we're not particularly interested in the upgrade of this as a VIP platform, but we've spent some time down there.
ู„ุฐุง ุนุฏู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ูˆู‚ู„ู†ุง ู†ุญู† ู„ุณู†ุง ู…ู‡ุชู…ูŠู† ุจุตูุฉ ุฎุงุตุฉ ููŠ ุฑูุน ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ูƒู…ู†ุตุฉ ู„ูƒุจุงุฑ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุงุช ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‚ุถูŠู†ุง ุจุนุถ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ
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At the same time the city had this need.
ูˆููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู†ูุณู‡ ุŒ ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุชุดู‡ุฏ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ
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They were looking for a solution to deal with 30 or 40 thousand people a day who were going down there, that had nowhere to go.
ูˆูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูŠุจุญุซูˆู† ุนู† ุญู„ ู„ู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน 30 ุฃูˆ 40 ุฃู„ู ุดุฎุต ูŠูˆู…ูŠุง ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุŒ ูˆู„ุง ูŠุชุณุน ู„ู‡ู… ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†
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And there was no way to deal with the traffic around the site.
ูˆู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุงุฒุฏุญุงู… ุงู„ู…ุฑูˆุฑูŠ ููŠ ุฃุฑุฌุงุก ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน
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So dealing with it is just an immediate master plan.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ุจุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุดุฑูˆุน ููŠ ุฎุทุฉ ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠุฉ ูˆ ููˆุฑูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ
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There was a way -- there had to be a way -- to get people to move around the site.
ู„ุง ุจุฏ ู…ู† ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ...ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุคูƒุฏ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชู…ูƒู† ุฌู…ูˆุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุญุฑูƒ ููŠ ุฃุฑุฌุงุก ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน
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KA: But then you've got to figure out a way -- we will skip over the insanely tedious process of getting permits and getting everybody on board -- but simply funding this thing.
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†: ูˆู„ูƒู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ.. ุฏุนู†ุง ู†ุชุฎุทู‰ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุถุฌุฑุฉ ุจุฌู†ูˆู† ููŠ ู…ุฑุญู„ุฉ ุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุฑุงุฎูŠุต ูˆุถู…ุงู† ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ...ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ ู„ุชู…ูˆูŠู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ
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It looks like a fairly simple thing, but this was a half a million dollar project?
ูŠุจุฏูˆ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู… ุจุฃู†ู‡ ุฃู…ุฑ ุจุณูŠุท ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ู…ุง ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุดุฑูˆุน ุจู†ุตู ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุŸ
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DR: Well, we knew that if it wasn't privately funded, it wasn't going to happen.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ุญุณู†ุง ุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุนู„ู… ุจุฅู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู…ู…ูˆู„ุง ุจุตูˆุฑุฉ ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ ูุฅู†ู‡ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุณูŠุญุฏุซ
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And we also, frankly, knew that if it didn't happen by the end of the Giuliani administration, then everyone who we were dealing with at the DOT and the Police Department and all of the -- we were meeting with 20 or 30 people with the city at a time, and it was set up by the Office of Emergency Management.
ูˆูƒุฐู„ูƒ ู†ุนู„ู… ุจุตุฑุงุญุฉ ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠุญุฏุซ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุฌูˆู„ูŠุงู†ูŠุŒ ูุฅู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุชุนุงู…ู„ู†ุง ู…ุนู‡ู… ููŠ ูˆุฒุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ู†ู‚ู„ ูˆ ุงู„ุดุฑุทุฉ ูˆ ุฌู…ูŠุน... ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุงู„ุชู‚ูŠู†ุงู‡ู… ุŒ ูˆ ู‡ู… 20 ุฃูˆ 30 ุดุฎุต ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ูˆููŠ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ูˆู‚ุฏ ุฏุนุง ู„ู‡ุง ู…ูƒุชุจ ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุทูˆุงุฑุฆ
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This incredible act on their part, because they really wanted this, and they sensed that this needed to happen.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุชุตุฑู ู…ุฏู‡ุด ู…ู† ุฌุงู†ุจู‡ู… ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฃุฑุงุฏูˆุง ุฐู„ูƒ ุญู‚ุง ูˆุดุนุฑูˆุง ุจุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุงุจุฏ ู…ู† ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒู‡
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KA: And there was therefore this ticking clock, because Giuliani was obviously out three months after that.
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒุนุฏ ุชู†ุงุฒู„ูŠุŸ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญ ุฃู† ุฌูˆู„ูŠุงู†ูŠ ุงู†ุชู‡ุช ูˆู„ุงูŠุชู‡ ุจุนุฏ ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃุดู‡ุฑ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
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DR: Yeah. So the first thing we had to do was find a way to get this -- we had to work with the families of the victims, through the city, to make sure that they knew this was happening.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ุฃูˆู„ ุฃู…ุฑ ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ู‡ุฐุง.. ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู…ุน ุฃู‡ุงู„ูŠ ุงู„ุถุญุงูŠุงุŒ ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃุฑุฌุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุŒ ู„ู†ุชุฃูƒุฏ ุจุฃู†ู‡ู… ุนู„ู‰ ุนู„ู… ุจู…ุง ูŠุญุตู„
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Because this didn't want to be a surprise.
ู„ู… ู†ุฑุฏู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ูƒุงู„ู…ูุงุฌุฆุฉ
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And we also had to be as under the radar screen as we could be in New York, because the key was not raising a lot of objection and sort of working as quietly as possible.
ูˆูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ู…ู„ู…ูŠู† ุจูƒู„ ู…ุง ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ููŠ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒุŒ ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ู‡ูˆ ุนุฏู… ุฅุซุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุนุชุฑุงุถุงุช ูˆุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุจู‡ุฏูˆุก ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุฏุฑ ุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู†
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We came up with the idea of setting up a foundation, mainly because when we found a contractor who would build this, he would not agree to do this, even if we would pay him the money.
ุชูˆุตู„ู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ููƒุฑุฉ ุฅู†ุดุงุก ู…ุคุณุณุฉ ูˆูŠุฑุฌุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุณุงุณุง ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูˆุฌุฏู†ุง ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุณูŠุจู†ูŠ ู„ู… ูŠูˆุงูู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูˆุฅู† ุฏูุนู†ุง ู„ู‡ ุงู„ู…ุงู„
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There needed to be a foundation in place.
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุญุงุฌุฉ ู„ุฅู‚ุงู…ุฉ ู…ุคุณุณุฉ
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So we came up with a foundation, and actually what happened was one major developer in New York -- KA: Who shall remain nameless, I guess?
ูุชูˆุตู„ู†ุง ู„ุฅู‚ุงู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุฉุŒ ูˆูุนู„ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุญุฏุซ ู‡ูˆ ุฃุญุฏ ุงู„ู…ุทูˆุฑูŠู† ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠู† ููŠ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ.. ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ู† ูŠุฐูƒุฑ ุงุณู…ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŸ
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DR: Yeah. His initials are JS, and he owns Rockefeller Center, if that helps anyone -- volunteered to help.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„:ู†ุนู… ูˆ ุงู„ุญุฑูˆู ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุงุณู…ู‡ ู‡ูŠ"ุฌูŠ ุฅูุณ"ุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ูŠู…ู„ูƒ ู…ุฑูƒุฒ ุฑูˆูƒูู„ุฑ ุงุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ..ูุฅู†ู‡ ุชุทูˆุน ู„ู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ.
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And we met with him.
ูˆุงู„ุชู‚ูŠู†ุง ุจู‡
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The prices from the contractors were between five to 700,000 dollars.
ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ุฃุณุนุงุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ูŠู† ู…ุง ุจูŠู† ุฎู…ุณู…ุงุฆุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ 700ุŒ000 ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ.
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And Atlantic-Heydt, who's the largest scaffolding contractor in the country, volunteered to do it at cost.
ูˆ "ุฃุชู„ุงู†ุชูŠูƒ ู‡ูŠุฏุช" ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุณู‚ุงู„ุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุฏ ุชุทูˆุน ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุจุณุนุฑ ุงู„ุชูƒู„ูุฉ
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So this developer said, "You know what, we'll underwrite the entire expense."
ูˆู‡ุฐ ุงู„ู…ุทูˆุฑ ู‚ุงู„:"ุชุนุฑู ู…ุงุฐุง ุŒ ุณู†ุคู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุชูƒุงู„ูŠู"
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And we said, "That's incredible!"
ูˆู‚ู„ู†ุง:"ู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุตุฏู‚"
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And I think this was the 21st, and we knew this had to be built and up by the 28th.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒุงู† ููŠ ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุญุงุฏูŠ ูˆ ุงู„ุนุดุฑูŠู† ูˆูƒู†ุง ู†ุนุฑู ุจุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุงุจุฏ ู…ู† ุจู†ุงุกู‡ ุจูŠูˆู… 28
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And we had to start construction the next day.
ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุจุฏุก ุงู„ุจู†ุงุก ููŠ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ
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We had a meeting that evening with his contractor of choice, and the contractor showed up with the drawings of the platform about half the size that we had drawn it.
ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงุฌุชู…ุงุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุก ู…ุน ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุงุฎุชุงุฑู‡ ุฃุชู‰ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุจุฑุณูˆู…ุงุช ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุฉ ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจุง ู†ุตู ุงู„ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ู…ู†ุง ุจุฑุณู…ู‡ุง
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KA: Sort of like the Spinal Tap scene where you get the tiny little Stonehenge, I guess?
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ู†ูˆุนุง ู…ุง ู…ุซู„ ู…ุดู‡ุฏ "ุณุจุงู†ูŠู„ ุชุงุจ" ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ "ุณุชูˆู†ู‡ู†ุฌ" ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุงุฃุธู†ุŸ
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DR: In fact, it was as if this was going to be window-washing scaffolding.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„:ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุดูƒ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ุซู„ ุณู‚ุงู„ุฉ ุชู†ุธูŠู ุงู„ู†ุงูุฐุฉ
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There was no sense of the fact that this is next to Saint Paul -- that this is really a place that needs to be kind of dignified, and a place to reflect and remember.
ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงู„ูƒ ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง...ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ุณุงู†ุช ุจุงูˆู„ ูˆู‡ูˆ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ูŠุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู† ูŠุญุธู‰ ุจุงู„ุฅุญุชุฑุงู… ูˆ ู…ูƒุงู† ู„ู„ุชููƒุฑ ูˆ ุงู„ุชุฐูƒุฑ.
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And I've got to say that we spent a lot of time in putting this together, watching the crowds that gathered at Saint Paul -- which is just to the right -- and moving around the site.
ูˆ ุนู„ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุจุฃู†ู†ุง ู‚ุถูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ููŠ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ุงุŒ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ุงู„ุญุดูˆุฏ ุงู„ู…ุชุฌู…ุนุฉ ููŠ ุณุงู†ุช ุจุงูˆู„ ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ูู‚ุท ููŠ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญ...ุชุชุญุฑูƒ ููŠ ุฃุฑุฌุงุก ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน
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And I live down there, so we spent a lot of time looking at the need.
ูˆุนุดุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‚ุถูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ููŠ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ
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And I think people were amazed at two things -- I think they were amazed at the destruction, but I think there was a sense of disbelief about the heroics of New Yorkers that I found very moving.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู†ุฏู‡ุดูŠู† ููŠ ุฃู…ุฑูŠู†.. ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุฃู†ู‡ู… ุงู†ุฏู‡ุดูˆุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏู…ุงุฑ ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃุธู† ุจุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฅุญุณุงุณ ุจุนุฏู… ุงู„ุชุตุฏูŠู‚ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุจุทูˆู„ูŠุฉ ู„ุณูƒุงู† ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุฌุฏุชู‡ุง ู…ุคุซุฑุฉ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ
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Just the sort of everyday heroics of New Yorkers.
ูู‚ุท ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุจุทูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ูŠุฉ ู„ุณูƒุงู† ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ
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So we were in this meeting and the contractor literally said, "I'm going to lock the door, because this developer will not agree to have you leave till you've signed off on this."
ูˆูƒู†ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุน ูˆ ู‚ุงู„ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุญุฑููŠุง: "ุณุฃุบู„ู‚ ุงู„ุจุงุจุŒ ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุทูˆุฑ ู„ู† ูŠูˆุงูู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู† ุชุบุงุฏุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู† ุชูˆู‚ุน ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡"
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And we said, "Well, this is half the size, it doesn't have any of the design features that have been agreed upon by everyone -- everyone in the city.
ูˆู‚ู„ู†ุง:"ุญุณู†ุงุŒู‡ุฐู‡ ู†ุตู ุงู„ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ููŠู‡ุง ุฃูŠ ุฎุตุงุฆุต ุงู„ุชุตู…ูŠู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชู… ุงู„ู…ูˆุงูู‚ุฉ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ูƒู„ ุดุฎุต..ูƒู„ ุดุฎุต ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ
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We'd have to go back to the beginning to do this."
ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุนูˆุฏุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุฐุง"
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And I convinced him that we should leave the room with the agreement to build it as designed.
ูˆ ุฃู‚ู†ุนุชู‡ ุจุฃู† ู†ุบุงุฏุฑ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉ ุจุงู„ุงุชูุงู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ุจู†ุงุกู‡ ูƒู…ุง ุชู… ุชุตู…ูŠู…ู‡
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The next day I got an email from the developer saying that he was withdrawing all funding.
ููŠ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุชู„ู‚ูŠุช ุฑุณุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุทูˆุฑ ุชู‚ูˆู„ ุจุฃู†ู‡ ุณูŠุณุญุจ ูƒู„ ุงู„ุชู…ูˆูŠู„
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So we didn't know what to do, but we decided to cast a very wide net.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู… ู†ุนุฑู ู…ุงูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‚ุฑุฑู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุดูƒู„ ุดุจูƒุฉ ุนุฑูŠุถุฉ ุฌุฏุง
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We emailed out letters to as many people as we could -- several people in the audience here -- who were very helpful.
ุฑุงุณู„ู†ุง ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุนุฏุฏ ู…ู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุฏุฑ ู…ุง ู†ุณุชุทูŠุน ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ู‡ู†ุง ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุญุถูˆุฑ... ุณุงุนุฏูˆู†ุง
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KA: There was no thought of abandoning ship at that point?
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃูŠ ููƒุฑ ู„ู„ุชุฎู„ูŠ ุนู† ุงู„ุณููŠู†ุฉ ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุฑุญู„ุฉุŸ
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DR: No. In fact I told the contractor to go ahead.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ู„ุง ุŒ ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃุฎุจุฑุช ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ูŠุชุญุฑูƒ ู‚ุฏู…ุง
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He had already ordered materials based on my go-ahead.
ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุงู… ุจุทู„ุจ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุฏ ุงุนุชู…ุงุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุถูˆุฆูŠ ุงู„ุฃุฎุถุฑ
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We knew that one way or another this was going to happen.
ูƒู†ุง ู†ุนุฑู ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃูˆ ุจุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุณูŠุญุฏุซ
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And we just felt it had to happen.
ูˆุดุนุฑู†ุง ุจุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุงุจุฏ ุฃู† ูŠุญุฏุซ
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KA: You were funding it yourself and with contributions and this foundation.
ูƒูˆุฑุช ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ูƒู†ุช ุชู…ูˆู„ู‡ ุจู†ูุณูƒ ุŒ ู…ู† ุซู… ู…ุน ุงู„ู…ุณุงู‡ู…ุงุช ูˆ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุฉ
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Richard, I think very correctly, made the point at the beginning -- before all the chair designers came out -- about the history of chair designers imposing aesthetic solutions on this kind of universal, banal, common problem of sitting.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฏุฑุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุดูƒู„ ุตุญูŠุญ ุฃู†ู‡ ุชุญุฏุซ ู…ู†ุฐ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ูŠุฃุชูŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ู…ุตู…ู…ูˆ ุงู„ูƒุฑุงุณูŠ ุนู† ุชุงุฑูŠุฎ ู…ุตู…ู…ูˆ ุงู„ูƒุฑุงุณูŠ ููŠ ูุฑุถ ุญู„ูˆู„ ุฌู…ุงู„ูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดุงูƒู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉุŒ ุงู„ุนุงุฏูŠุฉ ูˆ ุงู„ุดุงุฆุนุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุฌู„ูˆุณ.
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It seems to me with this, that it was the opposite of that.
ูˆูŠุจุฏูˆ ู„ูŠ ู…ุน ู‡ุฐุง ุจุฃู†ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุนูƒุณ ุฐู„ูƒ
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This was an unprecedented, singular design problem.
ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠุณุจู‚ ู„ู‡ ู…ุซูŠู„ุŒ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุชุตู…ูŠู… ุงุณุชุซู†ุงุฆูŠุฉ
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DR: Well here's the issue: we knew that this was not in the sense of -- we think about the site, and think about the need for a memorial.
ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ุฑูˆูƒูˆูŠู„: ุญุณู†ุงุŒู‡ู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุณุฃู„ุฉ ูƒู†ุง ู†ุนุฑู ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุจู…ุบุฒู‰... ู†ุญู† ู†ููƒุฑ ุจุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุนุŒ ูˆุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ุจุถุฑูˆุฑุฉ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ู†ุตุจ ุชุฐูƒุงุฑูŠ
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It was important that this not be categorized as a memorial.
ูˆูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ุฃู† ู„ุง ูŠุตู†ู ูƒุดูŠุก ุชุฐูƒุงุฑูŠ
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That this was a place for people to reflect, to remember -- a kind of quiet place.
ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ู„ู„ู†ุงุณ ู„ู„ุชููƒุฑ ูˆ ุงู„ุชุฐูƒุฑ ูƒู…ูƒุงู† ู‡ุงุฏุฆ
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So it led us to using design solutions that created as few filters between the viewer -- as we said about the families' platform -- and the experience as possible.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฏูุนู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุญู„ูˆู„ ุงู„ุชุตู…ูŠู… ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฎู„ู‚ุช ุญูˆุงุฌุฒ ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏูŠู† ูƒู…ุง ุชุญุฏุซู†ุง ุนู† ู…ู†ุตุฉ ุงู„ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช... ูˆ ุงู„ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ุณุชุทุงุน
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It's all incredibly humble material.
ูƒุงู†ุช ุฌู…ูŠุนู‡ุง ู…ูˆุงุฏ ุจุณูŠุทุฉ ุจุดูƒู„ ู„ุง ูŠุตุฏู‚
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It's scaffolding and plywood.
ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุณู‚ุงู„ุงุช ูˆุงู„ุฎุดุจ ุงู„ุฑู‚ุงุฆู‚ูŠ