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ุญุณููุง ูุฏู ูุงุญุฏ. ูุฏู ูุงุญุฏ.
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so I have one. I have one.
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ุชุญุฏุซุชู ุนู ุฐูู ุณุงู
ุจ.
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you talked about it Samb.
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ููู ุงููุงุฆุฏ ุงูุฐู ููุชุฏู ุจู ูู ุงูุฐู ูู
ููู ุงููุงุณ.
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but the leader we often emulate is the one who empowers people.
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ุฅูู ุงุณุชุฎุฏู
ุช ุชูู ุงูููู
ุงุช ุจุงูุฐุงุช ุงูุชู ุชู
ููู ุงูู
ููุงุฏูู.
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you used those very words empowering the led.
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ููููุง ุฑุฃููุง ุบุงูุจูุง ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุจู
ุฑูุฑ ุงูููุช ููุฌุฑููู ุฅูู ูุฌูุฉ ูุธุฑ ุฃููู
ุฑุจู
ุง ูููููู ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ููุณูุทุฑุฉ.
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but we often seen leaders over time sort of slide in to a view that may be they need a control.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูุฌูุฉ ุงููุธุฑ ุจุฃููู
ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ูุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุงูููุฉ ููุณูุทุฑุฉ.
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and then the view that they need to use force to control.
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ููุฏ ุตุงุฏ ุฐูู ุงูุงูุฌุฑุงู ููููุฉ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุบุงูุจุง ูุตุงุฏ ุฏููุงู ุฃุฎุฑู ู
ู ุงูุนุงูู
.
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and that drift to force has often hunted Africa and hunted other countries of the world.
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ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ููุนูู ููุญูุงุธ ุนูู ุงููุงุฏุฉ ู
ู ุงูุงูุฒูุงู ุฅูู ุฐูู ุงูุฌุงูุจ ู
ู ุงูุทููุ
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what is that we do to keep leaders from sliding over to that side of the spectrum?
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ูู
ุง ูู ุชุฌุฑุจุชูู
ุ
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and what is your experience?
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ูุนู
.
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yeah.
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ูุฐุง ุณุคุงู ู
ู
ุชุงุฒ ูุฃููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ูุฐุง ูู ุงูุชุญุฏู ุงููุจูุฑ.
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that is an excellent question because I think that is what the big challenge.
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ููู ุงุณู
ุญูุง ูู ูุจู ุฃู ุฃุฑุฏ ุนูู ุฐูู ุจู
ูุงูุดุฉ ุงูุณุจุจ ุงูุฌุฐุฑู ููููุงู.
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but allow me before I respond to that to discuss a little bit the root cause.
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ูุฃูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุ ููุงู ุทุฑููุชุงู ูุญู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช.
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because for me, there is two ways of solving problems.
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ุงูุฃููู ูู ุฃููู ุฃุฏุฑู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ ูุณูู ุฃุชูุตู ุฅูู ุงูุญู ุชููุง.
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the first one is I realize the problem and I am just going come up with the solution.
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ุงูุซุงููุฉ ูู ุฃู ููุงู ุงูู
ุดููุฉุ ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ุชุณุจุจ ูู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ.
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the second one is there is the problem, what caused the problem.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชุฐูุจูู ุฅูู ุงูุณุจุจ ุงูุฌุฐุฑู ูู
ุญุงููุฉ ุงูุนุซูุฑ ุนููู.
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and then you go to the root cause to try and find it.
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ุชูุงููุงู ูุณุคุงููุ ุฏุนูุง ูุนูุฏ ุฅูู ู
ุง ููุดุฆ ุงูู
ุดููุฉ.
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addressing your question, let's go back to what creates the problem.
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ุฃู ุดุฎุต ูููู
ุญููุง ุฃู ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ูุง ุชุชุนูู ุจูุ ุณุชุชุนูู
.
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anybody who really understands that things are not about you, you will learn.
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ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุงูุชุนูู
ูุงูุงุณุชู
ุงุน ูู
ุง ุฃูุถู ููุนูุชูู ูููุงุฆุฏ.
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I think learning and listening is the two best quality of a leader.
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ูุฃูู ุชููู
ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงูุชุนูู
.
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because by learning you understand.
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ูุฐููุ ูุฅู ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุฐูู ุฐูุฑุชูู
ูููุช ุชุชุญุฏุซ ุนููู
.
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so, those leaders that you mentioned and you were talking about.
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ุฅู
ุง ุฃููู
ูุง ูุณุชู
ุนูู ุฃู ุฃููู
ูู
ูุชุนูู
ูุง.
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either they do not listen or they did not learn.
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ููู ุงูุญูุงุฉ ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฏุงุฆู
ูุงุ ุฏุงุฆู
ูุงุ ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง ุฃู ุชุชุนูู
ูุชุชุนูู
ูุชูุนูุฏ ุงูุชุนูู
.
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and in life you always, always, always have to learn and learn and relearn.
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ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ุจุฐูู ูู ุฃู ู
ุง ุชุนุฑูู ููุณ ุจุงูุถุฑูุฑุฉ .
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what I mean by that is what you know is not necessarily .
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ูุฐูู ูู ููุช ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฅุบูุงู ุฐูู.
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so at some point you have to unlearn that.
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ุงูุชุฎูุต ู
ู
ุง ุชุนุฑูู.
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get rid of what you know.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชุตู ุฅูู ุงูููุทุฉ ุฃู ุดุฎุตูุง ู
ุง ุฌุงุก ุจุฃููุงุฑ ุฃูุถู.
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and then you get to the point that somebody came up with better ideas.
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ูุฐูู ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงูุชุนูู
ููุจูู ุฐูู.
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so you have to relearn that and accept that.
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ู
ุน ูุงุฏุชูุง ุงูุฃูุงุฑูุฉุ ููุณ ูููู
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with our african leaders, not all of them
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ููููู ุณุฃููู ู
ุนุธู
ูู
ูู
ุง ุชููู ุฃูุช ุชูู ูู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ.
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but I will say most of them like you say that is the problem.
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ุงูุชุนูู
ููุณ ู
ูุฌูุฏูุง ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู.
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learning is not there at all.
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ูุฃู ุงูุฅูุณุงู ุฅูุณุงูุ ููุฏููุง ุฌู
ูุนูุง ู
ุดุงุนุฑ.
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because human being is a human being, we all have feelings.
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ุจู
ุฌุฑุฏ ุจุฏุก ุณู
ุงุน ู
ุง ููููู ุงููุงุณ.
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once you start hearing what people are saying.
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ูู
ุง ุชูุนูู ููู
ุฌุชู
ุน.
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and what you are doing to the community.
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ุฃู ู
ุง ูู ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุชู ูู ุงูุนู
ู ููู
ุฌุชู
ุน.
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or what your actions are in doing to the community.
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ุณุชุณุชู
ุน ูุณุชุชุฎุฐ ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุช.
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you will listen and you will take action.
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ูููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูููุตูู ุฅูู ุงูููุทุฉ ุฃููู
ุบูุฑ ู
ุชุตููู ุจุงููุงูุน.
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but I think to get to the point that they are disconnected to reality.
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ูุฐููุ ููู ูุญุชูุธ ุจูู
ู
ุชุตููู ุจู
ุง ููุนูู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน.
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so, how do we keep them connected to what the community is doing.
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ูุฐุง ูู ุงูุณุคุงู ุงูุฑุฆูุณู.
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that is the main question.
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ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูููู ููุงู ุดูุก ูุชุนูู ุนูููู
ุฃููุณูู
ููุงุฏุฉ ูุนูู
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then there is something that themselves as leaders have to do
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ููู ุงููุงุณ ู
ู ุญูููู
ุฃูุถูุงุ ุงููุงุณ.
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but also people around them, people.
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ุงูุฐูู ูููููู ุญูู ูุงุฏุชูุง ููุชุนูู ุนูู ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฑูุฉ ุงูุชุญูู ุจุงูุดุฌุงุนุฉ.
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who are around our leaders and african leaders have to have the courage.
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ูุฃู ุงูุดุฌุงุนุฉ ู
ูุงุฑุฉ ููุฅุฎุจุงุฑ ุจูุฐุง.
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because courage is a skill to tell this .
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"ุฃูุช ุฑุฆูุณูุ ุฃูุช ูุงุฆุฏูุ ุฃูุช ุฑุฆูุณู ุงูุชูููุฐูุ ู
ุง ุชูุนูู ุฎุทุฃ"
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"you are my president, you are my boss, you are my CEO, what you are doing is wrong"
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ูุฃูุง ุชููู ุฎุงุฆููุง ู
ู ุงููุตู ุฃู ุฃู ุชุฏุงุนูุงุช.
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and to not be afraid of being fired or any repercussion.
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ููู ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ููุชูุฏู.
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but that is what we are missing.
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ูุงุฏุชูุง ูู
ููู ุงููุงุณ ู
ู ุญูููู
ูุจุญุซูู ููุท ุนู ุฃููุณูู
.
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our leaders are but people around them are just looking for themselves.
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ููููุฉ ุงููุตูู ุฅูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุชุงููุ ูุฐูู ูุฅููู
ูุง ูุฎุจุฑูููู
.
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how to get to the next level, so they do not tell them.
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ูุฐูู ูุฐุง .
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so that is .
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ูุฏููุง ุงูุขู ุฃุณุฆูุฉ ูุฃูุฏู ูู ุงูููุงุก.
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now we have questions and hands in the air .
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ูุฏููุง ุงูููุช ูุฃุฎุฐ 1ุ ู2ุ ู3.
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we have time to take 1, 2, and 3.
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ูุฐููุ ุฏุนููุง ูุจุฏุฃ ููุง ูุณููุชูู ููุง ุซู
ููุง.
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so, let's start here and we will move over here and then over here.
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ุณุงู
ุจุ ุฃูุง ุญููุง
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Samb, I really
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ููุงู ู
ููุฑูููู ูุงุฏู
.
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there is a microphone coming.
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ูุญู ุฐุงูุจูู ุฅูู. ุฅูู ุฎููู ู
ุจุงุดุฑุฉ. ูุง ูู.
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we are going to a . it is right behind you. here it is.
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ูุนู
. ุงูุณูุฏ ุณุงู
ุจุ ุฃุญุจุจุช ุญุฏูุซู ุญููุง.
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yea. Mr. Samb, really I loved your talk.
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ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุฑุงุฆุน ุญููุง ูุง ุณูู
ุง ุนู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ.
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I think it is really wonderful especially about leadership.
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ูุงูุณุคุงู ูุฏู ูู ุนูุงูุฉ ุจุญูููุฉ.
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and the question I have has to do with the fact.
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ุฃููุง ูุณู
ุน ุงููุซูุฑ ุนู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฃูุฑูููุง
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that we hear a lot about leadership in Africa
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ูุฃุชุณุงุกู ุจุทุฑููุฉ ุฃู ุจุฃุฎุฑู ุฅุฐุง ููุง ูุง ูุฃุฎุฐ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู.
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and somehow I am wondering if we are not taking leadership out of context.
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ุฃููุงูุ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุชู ูุฏููุง ุงูุขู ุญููููุฉ.
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one, , , the leadership we have now is real.
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ุฅููู
ู
ุชุตูููุ ุฅููู
ุฌุฒุก ู
ู ูุงูุน ุฃูุฑูููุง.
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they are not disconnected, they are part of the reality of Africa.
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ุฅููู
ุญูููููู. ูุฐุง ุงููุถุน ุจุงููุงู
ู ุญููููุ ูุชุงุฑูุฎูุ ูู
ูุฌูุฏ ููู ุฏููุงู
ูููุฉ.
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they are real. that whole situation is real, is historical, is present and has a dynamic.
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ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุฑูุฒ ุงููุงุณ ุนูู ุงููุงุฆุฏ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงูุ
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why is that it that people focus on leader outside of context?
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ุฅุฐุง ููู
ุช ุณุคุงูู.
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if I understand your question.
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ูุนู
.
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yes.
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ุฅูู ุชุญุงูู ุฃู ุชุณุฃู ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุฑูุฒ ุนูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุฃูุฑูููุงุ
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you are trying to ask why we are focusing on leadership outside of Africa?
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ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู.
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outside of context.
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ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู.
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outside of context.
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ุจู
ุนููุ
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meaning?
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ุงููุงุณุ ูุญู ูุณู
ุนูุง ุฏููููุงุ ููุฏ ุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุงูููุงูุงุช
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people, we hear it internationally, we have heard it from agencies
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ููุฏ ุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุงูู
ุณุชุดุงุฑูู.
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we have heard it from advisors.
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ูุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุฌู
ูุน ุงูู
ุฎุชููุฉ.
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and we have heard it from all different .
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ุชูุชูุฑ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฅูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ.
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Africa lacks leadership.
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ููู ุณุคุงูู ููุ ูู ูู
ูู ุฃู ุชููู ูู ููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู. ุญุณููุงุ
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but my question is, can you have leadership outside of context. okay?
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ุฏุนูุง ูุถุนู ุจูุฐู ุงูุทุฑููุฉุ ูู ู
ุงูุฏููุง ูุชุงุฌ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฃู
ูุงุ
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lets put it this way; is Mandela a product of Africa or not?
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ุชุฑูุ ูู ูู ู
ุฑุชุจุทุ
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you see, is he related?
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ูู ูู
ูููุง ุฃู ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ู
ุงูุฏููุง.
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can we talk about Mandela.
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ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุณูุงู ุฌููุจ ุฃูุฑูููุง ู
ู .
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outside of the context of South Africa of .
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ุญุณููุง.
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okay.
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ูุฐููุ ุฑุฏูุง ุนูู ุณุคุงููุ ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ููุช ุฃูููู ูู ุดูุก.
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so, to respond to your question, that is what I was saying everything.
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ูุง ูู
ููู ุชุนู
ูู
ูู ุดูุก.
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you cannot generalize everything.
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ูุฃูู ูู
ุง ููุช ุณุงุจููุงุ ูุฏููุง ู
ุง ุฃุทูู ุนููู ูุงุจุณ.
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because like I said earlier, we have what do I call the VABS.
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ุงูุฐู ูู ุงูููู
ุ ูุงูุงูุชุฑุงุถุ ูุงูุงุนุชูุงุฏ ูุงูุชููุนุงุช.
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which is the values, assumption, believe and expectations.
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ููู
ู
ุฎุชูููู ู
ู ุฏููุฉ ูุฃุฎุฑู.
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and they are different from country to country.
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ูุฅุฐุง ุชุฐูุฑุช ูู ุงูุจุฏุงูุฉุ ุฐูุฑุชู ุฐูู.
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and if you remember at the beginning, I mentioned it.
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ูุญู ู
ููุงุฑ ูุณู
ุฉ ุชูุฑูุจูุง.
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we are almost billion people.
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ูุฏููุง 2000 ูุบุฉุ ููุญู 45 ุฏููุฉ.
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we have 2000 languages and we are 45 countries.
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ู
ุง ูู ุชุญุฏู ูุฌูุฏ ุฏูู ุฃูุฑูููุง ุงูู
ุชุญุฏุฉ.
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what is the challenge of having the united states of Africa.
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ุฅูู ุจุณุจุจ ุงูุชููุน.
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it is because the diversity.
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ุงูุฐู ูููู ููุฉ ูููู ุถุนู ุฃูุถูุง.
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which is a strength but also it is a weakness.
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ูุฐููุ ุฃูุง ุฃุชูู ู
ุนู ุชู
ุงู
ูุง.
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so, I totally agree with you.
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ูุง ูู
ููู ููุท ุฃู ุชููู ุฅู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฌููุจ ุฃูุฑูููุง ููุจุบู ุฃู ูููู ุงูุดูุก ููุณู.
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you cannot just say that the leadership in South Africa should be the same thing.
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ู
ุน ุฐููุ ู
ุงูุฏููุง ุฅูุฑููู ููู ุฅุฐุง ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุทูู ุนูููู
ูุงุฏุฉ.
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however, Mandela is african but if you look at the people that we call leaders.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูุญู ููุฏุฑ ุญููุงุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ู
ุงูุฏููุงุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุฏุงูุงู ูุงู
ุง.
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and then we really value, starting with Mandela, starting with Dalai Lama.
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ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุบุงูุฏูุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุงูุฃู
ุชุฑูุฒุง ูุขุฎุฑูู ูุขุฎุฑูู.
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starting with Gandhi, starting with mother Teresa and others and others.
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ูุฐููุ ุฃูุง ุฃุนุทูู ููุท ูุคูุงุก ุงูู 4.
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so, I am just giving you those 4.
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ู
ุง ุงููุงุณู
ุงูู
ุดุชุฑู ุจูููู
ุ
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what do they have in common?
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ู
ุง ุงููุงุณู
ุงูู
ุดุชุฑู ุจูููู
ุ ุดูุก ูุงุญุฏ.
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what do they have in common? one thing.
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ุฅููู
ูุงููุง ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุงูุชุฎูู ุนู ููู
ุชูู
ุงูุฑุฃุณู
ุงููุฉ ูุฃูุช ุชุนุฑู ู
ุง ุฃุนูู ุจุฐูู.
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they were able to give up their capitalistic value and you know what I mean by that.
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