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ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏุช ุดูุฆูุง ูู ุงูุญูุงุฉุ ูู ูุฐุง ุงููุธุงู
ุงูุฑุฃุณู
ุงููุ ูู ุณุนุฑ.
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if you want something in life, in this capitalistic system, you have a price.
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ุฃู ุดุฎุต ูุฑูุฏ ุดูุฆูุง ูู ูุฐู ุงูุญูุงุฉุ ุชุญุจู ุฃู
ูุงุ
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anybody who wants something in this life, you like it or not,
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ูู ุณุนุฑ ููุฐุง ุงูุณุนุฑ ูู ุงูู
ุงู.
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you have a price and that price is money.
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ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุณ ู
ุงูุฏููุง ูุงู ูุงุฏุฑูุง ุนูู ุงูุบูุฑุงู.
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those people Mandela was able to forgive.
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ููู ุฅููู ูุง ุฃุฑูุฏ ูู ูุฐู ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ู
ุซูู
ุง ูุฑูุฏูุง ุงูุฑุฆูุณ ุงูุฅูุฑููู ุงูุขุฎุฑ.
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and say I do not want all these things like what other african president want.
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ููุฐุง ุงูุณุจุจุ ูู ุงูุขูุ ุดุฎุต ูุญุชุฑู
ู ุงูุฌู
ูุน.
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that is why, he is right now, somebody who everybody respects.
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ุบุงูุฏู ุงูุดูุก ููุณูุ ุงูุฏุงูุงู ูุงู
ุง ุงูุดูุก ููุณู.
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Gandhi the same thing, the Dalai Lama is the same thing.
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ู ุงูุฃู
ุชุฑูุฒุง ุงูุดูุก ููุณู.
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and Mother Teresa is the same thing.
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ู
ุนุธู
ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุณ ูุฏููู
ูุทุนุฉ ูู
ุงุด 1ุ ูุงุญุฏุฉ.
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most of those people they have 1 cloth, one.
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ุงูุธุฑ ุฅูู ุฑุฆูุณ ุฃูุฑูุฌูุงู ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ููููู ุงููุงุณ ุนููุ
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look at the president of Uruguay what people are saying about him?
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ุฃููุฑ ุฑุฆูุณ ูู ุงูุนุงูู
.
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the poorest president in the world.
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ูููู ูุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูุญุชุงุฌ ููุท ู
ู ุฑุงุชุจู.
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but he believes that he just needs of his salary.
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ูุฃู ูุฏูู ูู ุงููุงุณ.
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because has all the people.
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ุงูุฐูู ูุนูุดูู ุชุญุช ู
ุง ูู ุฃูู ู
ู 1200 ุฏููุงุฑ.
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who are living under that which is less than 1200 dollars.
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ูุฐูู ูุฐุง ูู ุญููุง ู
ุง ุฃูููู ุฅู ุงูุฃู
ุฑ ู
ุชุฑูู ููุง ููู ูุง ูู
ููู ุชุนู
ูู
ุฐูู.
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so that is really what I am saying that it is up to us but you cannot generalize that.
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ููู ุงูุญู ููู ูุนูุฏ ุฅูู ุงููุงูุนุ ุงูุงุชุตุงู ุจุงููุงุณ.
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but the whole solution is coming back down to reality, being connected with people.
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ูุฃููู ูุง ุฃุทูุจ ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุชุฎูู ุนู
ุง ูุฏููู
.
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because I am not asking people to give up what they have.
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ุฃูุง ูุง ุฃุทูุจ ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุชุฎูู ุนู ุงูู
ุงู ูุฃููู ูู ุฌูุงุญ ุงูุขูุ ูุฐูู ูุฃูุง ูุง ุฃูุนู ุฐูู.
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I am not asking people to give up money because I am in suite right now, so I am not doing it.
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ููู ูู ุงูููุช ููุณูุ ููุงู ุญุฏ ุฃุฏูู ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ูู
ูููู
ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ู.
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but at the same time, there is a minimum you know you can use.
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ูุฃู ู
ุง ููุนูู ู
ุน ูู ุงูู
ูุงุฑุฏ ุงูุชู ูุฏููุง ูู ูุฐุง ุงูุนุงูู
.
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because what we do with all the resources that we have in this world.
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ููุจุบู ุฃูุง ูููู ุฅููุง ููุฑุงุก ู
ุทูููุง.
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we should not say we are poor at all.
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ููู ุงูููููุฉ ุงูุชู ููุฒุนุช ุจูุง ูุงูุช ุจุงูุชุณุงูู.
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but how it was distributed was in equal.
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ุญุณููุงุ ูุฏููุง ููุช ูุณุคุงู 1 ุขุฎุฑ.
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so, we have got time for 1 more question.
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ูุฐููุ ุฃุญุชุงุฌ ุณุคุงูุงู ู
ูุญูุง ูุณูู ุฃุทูุจ ู
ู ูุฐุง ุงูุฑุฌู ููุง ุทุฑุญ ุงูุณุคุงู.
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so, I need a burning question and I am going to ask this man here to ask the question.
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ูุนู
ุ ุดูุฑูุง ุฌุฒููุงู ุงูุณูุฏ ุจูุจ ุณุงู
ุจ.
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yea, thank you much Mr. Pape Samb.
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ุฃูุง ุฏ. ููุณู ุฃุณููุง ู
ู ุฃูุบูุฏุง.
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I am Dr. Youssef Asuqa from Uganda.
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ูุฏู ุชุนููู 1 ูุณุคุงู 1 ููุท.
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I have just 1 comment and 1 question.
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ุงูุชุนููู ููุ ุดูุฑูุง ุฌุฒููุงู ููู
ูุธู
ูู ุนูู ูุฐุง ุงูู
ูุถูุน.
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the comment is; thank you very much the organizers for these topic.
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ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูุซูู ุงูุตูุฉ ุฌุฏูุง ุจู ุฃูุฑูููุง.
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I think it is very pertinent for Africa.
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ูุฃูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุชูุงูุด ู
ุนู ุจูุจ.
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and I would like to argue with you Pape, .
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ุฅูู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงููุธุฑ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช ุงูุฃูุฑูููุฉ.
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it is through looking at the african problems.
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ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุงูุณุจุจ. ูู ุดูุก ุขุฎุฑ ูู ุชุฃุซูุฑ.
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leadership is the cause. everything else is effect.
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ูุฐููุ ููู
ุง ูุชุนูู ุจู
ุง ูุงู ููููู ุฃุฎู ููุงู ูููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ูุฏู ู
ุดููุฉ.
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so, in respect to what my brother there was saying but I think I have a problem.
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ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุธุฑ ุฅูู ุงูุจููุฉ ุงูุชุญุชูุฉ ุงูุถุนููุฉ.
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when you look at the poor infrastructure.
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ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุธุฑ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช ูุงูุชุนููู
ูู
ุง ุฅูู ุฐูู.
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when you look at the problems and education and so forth.
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ูู ุดูุก ุขุฎุฑ ูู ุชุฃุซูุฑ ููู ุงูุณุจุจ ูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ.
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everything else is effect but the cause is leadership.
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ูุฐููุ ูุฅูู ุณุคุงู ุฅูู .
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so, it is a question to .
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ูุฐููุ ูุฅู ุฃูู
ูุฉ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูุซููุฉ ุงูุตูุฉ ุฌุฏูุงุ ุฌุฏูุง.
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so, the important of leadership is very, very pertinent.
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ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุธุฑ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช ุงูุชู ููุง ุนูุงูุฉ ุจู ุฃูุฑูููุง.
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when you are looking at issues to do with Africa.
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ููู ุซุงููููุงุ ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ูุฏู ู
ุดููุฉ ู
ุน ูุฐุง .
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but secondarily, again I have a problem with this .
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ุฑุจู
ุง ุงูุณูุฏ ุณุงู
ุจ ูุฏ ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุงููุธุฑ ุฅููู ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู.
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maybe Mr. Samb may have to look at it again.
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ูุฃูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชููู ู
ุฌุงุฒูุงุ ูุฐู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูู
ุชูุงุฒุน ุนูููุง.
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because when you say a metaphor, this disputed leadership.
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ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑูุ ุฅูู ูุง ูู
ููู ูุฃูู ุชุจูู ูู ุชูุณูุฑูุง ุฃูุถูุง.
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again, it is not empowering because you are showing me also an explanation.
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ุฃู ููุงู ุดุฎุตูุง ูุญูุฏูุง ูู ู
ูุงู ู
ุง ู
ุน
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that there is a lone figure somewhere with
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ุงูุฐู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ููุงุฒุน ุงูุณูุทุฉ ูุจููุชูุง.
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who then disputes power to the rest of us.
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ููุฐุง ุจุงูุถุจุท ู
ุง ูุฑูุฏู ูููุฑุจ.
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and this is exactly what we want to run away.
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ู
ู ูุฌูุฉ ูุธุฑูุ ุขู
ู ุฃูู ูุฏ ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ูุงู ููุธุฑ ุฅูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูู
ุดุชุฑูุฉ.
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in my view, I wish you had looked at was looking at shared leadership.
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ุฑุจู
ุง ุญูุซ ุฃูุช .
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probably where you .
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ููู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุธุฑ ุฅูููุง ุนูู ุฃููุง ุธุงูุฑุฉ ู
ุชูุงุฒุน ุนูููุง ูุฅูู ุฅุฐูุง ุชุคูุฏ ูู.
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but when you are looking at it as a disputed phenomenon then you assure me.
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ุฃู ุดุฎุตูุง ุขุฎุฑ ููุงุฒุน ุงูุณูุทุฉ ูุจููุฉ ุงูุขุฎุฑูู.
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that someone else is disputing powers to the rest of others.
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ุฃูุง ุฃุดูุฑู.
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I thank you.
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ุณุคุงู ุฌูุฏ ุฌุฏูุง.
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very good question.
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ูููู ุณูู ุฃุฎุชูู ู
ุนู ูุง ุฃุฎู.
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but I am going to have to disagree with you my brother.
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ุงูุญูููุฉ ุงูุจุณูุทุฉ ุฃูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชููู ุชู
ููู ุชููู.
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the simple fact that when you say empowering it is .
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ุนูุงูุฉ ุฐุงุช ุงุชุฌุงู ูุงุญุฏ ูุฃููู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ุฃู
ูููู ููุฐู ุนูุงูุฉ ุฐุงุช ุงุชุฌุงู ูุงุญุฏ.
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one-way relationship as if I am empowering you is one-way relationship.
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ุฅุฐุง ุชุฐูุฑุช ู
ุง ููุชู ุฅู ุงูุงุณุชู
ุงุน ู
ูู
ุญููุง.
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if you remembers what I said is listening is really important.
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ู
ู ุญูุซ ู
ุง ูุนููู ุจุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูู
ุชูุงุฒุน ุนูููุง.
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in terms of what we mean by disputed leadership.
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ุฅูู ููุณ ุฃูุง ุงูุฐู ูููู ูู ุงูุนู ูุฐุง ุฃู ุงูุนู ูุฐุง.
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it is not me telling you do this or do this.
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ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ุฃุทูู ุนููู ุชูุณูู
ุงูุฏูุฑ ูุงูู
ุณุคูููุงุช.
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that is what I call the division of role and responsibilities.
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ุงูุชู ููุจุบู ุฃู ุชููู ู
ูุฌูุฏุฉ ูู ูู ู
ูุงูุ ุจูู ุงูุฑุฌู ูุงูู
ุฑุฃุฉุ ูุงูู
ูุฒูุ ูุงูุนู
ู.
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that should exist everywhere, between man and woman, home, work.
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ูุฐุง ุดูุก ูุชุนูู ุฃู ูููู ูุฏููุง ููููู ูู ุงูุญูุงุฉ.
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that is something that we have to be in life.
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ููู ููู
ุง ูุฎุต ุงูููุงุฏุฉุ ููุจุบู ุนููู ุนุฏู
ุงูุฅู
ูุงุก ูุฃููู ุฃุฎุฏู
ู.
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but in term of leadership, I should not dictate because I am serving you.
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ูุฅุฐุง ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ุงูุฃุฑูุงู
ุ ูุฅู ุบุงูุจูุชูู
ุงูุฐูู ุฃุฎุฏู
ูู
.
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and if you look at the numbers, the majority is you who I am serving.
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ูุฐูู ููุจุบู ุฃู ุฃููู ูุงุฏุฑูุง ุนูู ุงูุงุณุชู
ุงุน ุฅููู ูุชูุณูู
ุงูุฃุฏูุงุฑ ูุงูู
ุณุคูููุงุช ููุท.
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so I should be able to listen to you and just divide the roles and responsibilities.
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ููู ูู ุดูุก ููู
ุง ูุฎุต ู
ุง ููุจุบู ุฃู ุฃูุนููุ ูุงูุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุชุ ูุงูุฃููุงุฑ.
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but everything in term of what should I do, the actions, the ideas.
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ุงูุงุญุชูุงุฌุงุช ุงูุชู ุฃุฑูุนูุง ูู ุฃูุช.
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the needs I am raising is you.
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ูุฐูู ููุจุบู ุฃู ุฃููู ูุงุฏุฑูุง ุนูู ููู
ู
ุง ุชูุนูู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุฌู
ุน ุชูู ุงูุฃููุงุฑ.
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so I should be able to understand what you are doing by collecting those ideas.
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ูุฐูู ุฅุฐุง ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌ ุงูุดุจุงุจ ูุฏููุง ุดุจูุฉ ุงูุงุจุชูุงุฑ ุงูุนุงูู
ูุฉ ููุดุจุงุจ.
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so if you look at our youth program The Global Youth Innovation Network.
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ู
ุง ููุนูู ุฃููุงูุ ุงูุชุนุฑู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ูุฌูุฉ ุงูุจุญุซ ูุงูู
ุนุฑูุฉุ ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ููุนูู.
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what we do is first, identification through research and knowledge gap, that is what we do.
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ููู
ู
ุง ููุนูู ุงููุงุณ.
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understanding what people do.
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ูุฐูู ุฑุจู
ุง ูุญู ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุงูุดูุก ููุณู.
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so maybe we are talking about the same thing.
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ููู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ููุณุช ุนูุงูุฉ ุฐุงุช ุงุชุฌุงู ูุงุญุฏ.
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but for me, leadership is not a one-way relationship.
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ูุงุ ูุชุนูู ุฃู ุชููู ุนูุงูุฉ ุฐุงุช ุงุชุฌุงููู.
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no, it has to be a two-way relationship.
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ุงูุชู ุชุฃุชู ู
ูู ูุฎุฏู
ุชู ุจุดูู ุฃูุถู. ูุฐุง ูู ุดูุก. ุฅูู ุงูุดูุก ููุณู ููุท.
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which is getting from you to serve you better. that is all. It is just the same thing.
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ููุจุบู ุฃู ูููู ุงููุงุฆุฏ ู
ุนูู
ูุงุ ูููู
ู
ุง ุฃุนุทูู ุฅูุงู ุจูุงุกู ุนูู ู
ุง ุชุญุชุงุฌู.
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a leader should be a teacher, understanding what I am giving you based on what you need.
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ูุฐุง ู
ุง ุฃุนููู. ุดูุฑูุง ูู.
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that is what I mean. thank you.
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ูุฐููุ ูุชุนูู ุนูููุง ุฃู ููุชูู ุฅูู ุงูุฌุฒุก ุงูุชุงูู ู
ู ุงููุฌูุฉ.
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so, we need to move on to the next section of the panel.
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ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุชููู ูุฏู ุงููุฑุตุฉ ูููู ุฃููุงุฑูู
ุงูุฑุงุฆุนุฉ ุฃูุถูุง.
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I want to have the chance to impart their great ideas also.
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ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุดูุฑูู
ุนูู ูุฐู ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุงูุฑุงุฆุนุฉุ ุนูู ุงูุชุจุงููู
ูู ุจูุจ ุณุงู
ุจ
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I want to thank you for these great question, for your attention to Pape Samb
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ูุญูุงุฉ ุฃุธูุฑุช ููููุฉ ุฃุฎุฐ ุงูููู
ูุงูุฃููุงุฑ ุญููุง.
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for really a life which has shown how to take values and ideas.
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ูุชุญููููุง ุฅูู ุฃุดูุงุก ุญููููุฉ ุชุบูุฑ ู
ุณุชูุจู ุฃูุฑูููุง.
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and turn them into real things that change the future of Africa.
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ููุจุบู ุชููุฆุชูู
ููุญู ูุฎูุฑูู ุจูู
.
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you should be congratulated and we are proud of you.
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ุงุณุชู
ุฑูุง.
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continue.
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ุดูุฑูุง ุฌุฒููุงู ููู
.
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thank you so much.
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ุญุณููุง ู
ุฌุฑุฏ ุจุถุนุฉ ุฃุดูุงุก ููุชุฏุจูุฑ ุงูู
ูุฒูู.
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so just a couple of housekeeping things.
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ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ููุงุชููู
ุงูู
ุญู
ููุฉ ููุฏ ุงูุชุดุบููุ ูุฅููุง ููุฏ ุฃู ุชููู ููุฏ ุงูุชุดุบููุ ููู ุชุญููููุง ุฅูู ุตุงู
ุช.
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if your cell-phones are on, we would like them on, but turn them to silent.
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ูุฏููู
ุฌู
ูุนูุง ุณู
ุงุนุงุช ุฑุฃุณ ุฅุฐุง ููุชู
ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅูููุง ููุชุฑุฌู
ุฉ.
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you have all got headphones if you need them for translation.
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ุบุฑุฏูุงุ ูุงูุช ุนูุงู
ุงุช ุงููุงุดุชุงุฌ ุนูู ุงูุดุงุดุฉ ุฃูุง ู
ุชุฃูุฏ.
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do tweet, the hashtags have been up on the screen I am sure.
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ูุฐูู ูุฅููุง ูุญุจ ุชููู ุฃุณุฆูุชูู
.
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so we would love to get your questions.
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ูุฃู ููุฐู ุงููุฌูุฉ ุญูุงูู ูุตู ุณุงุนุฉ.
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because this panel has got about half an hour.
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ูุจุฏุก ุงูุญุฏูุซ ุนู ุจุนุถ ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ูุคู
ููู ุจูุง.
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to begin talking about some things they believe in.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูุตู ุณุงุนุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุฎุตุตูุงูุง.
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and then another half hour we have devoted.
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ููุณู
ุงุญ ููู
ุจุทุฑุญ ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุนูููุง ููุฌูุจ ุนูููุง.
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o allowing you to ask us questions and have us respond back.
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ูุฐูู ุณูู ุชููู ูุฏููู
ุฌูุณุฉ ุชูุงุนููุฉ ุฑุงุฆุนุฉ.
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so you are going to have a great interactive session.
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ุชุฑูู ุฃู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฏุนููุง ูุทูู ุนููู ุงูุงุชุจุงุน.
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you can see that leadership in let's call followership.
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ุงูู 2 ู
ุฌุชู
ุนูู ูู
ุง ููุน ู
ู ุฌููุฑ ู
ุง ุณูู ูุบูุฑ ูุฐุง ุงูุนุงูู
.
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the 2 combined are sort of the essence of what is going to change this world.
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ูููู ุฃูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุณุฃููู
ุณุคุงูุงู.
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but I would like to ask you a question.
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ุงูุชูููุฑ ุจุดุฃู ุงููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฒู
ู ู
ุนุงุตุฑ.
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thinking about leaders in a contemporary age.
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ูุงุฏุชูุง ุงูุขูุ ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุญุตู ุนูู ุชุตููุช ู
ููู
ุฌู
ูุนูุง.
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our leaders now, I want to get a vote from all of you.
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ูู ุฃูุชู
ุณุนุฏุงุก ุจููุน ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุชู ูู
ุชูููุง ูุฐุง ุงูุนุงูู
ุ
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are you happy with the kind of leadership this world has?
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