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ุงุณุชู…ุฑ.
carry on.
ุขุณูุŒ ู‚ูŠู„ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ุนู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุงู„ูŠูˆู….
sorry, much has been said about pain today.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุตุงุญุจุฉ ุงู„ุณู…ูˆุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู…ูŠุฑุงุซ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ูŠู† ุงู„ุณุงุจู‚ูŠู† ุฃู†ู†ุง ูˆูุฑู†ุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุฑููŠู† ู„ูƒู„ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
and I think if her highness, if the legacy of this two days is that we get morphine to every country in the world.
ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุฅุฑุซู‹ุง ู‡ุงุฆู„ุงู‹ ู„ู„ูŠูˆู…ูŠู†.
that would be a phenomenal legacy of these two days.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ูŠุฌุจ ู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ูุถู„ุงู‹ ุนู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู….
but there is more to be said than pain.
ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุฑููŠู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุงู„ุฌุณุฏูŠ.
because morphine the physical pain.
ูˆุงู„ุดุนูˆุจ ุญูˆู„ู†ุง ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุชููƒุฑ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฅุณูƒุงุช ุงู„ุฃู„ู….
and peoples round here seem to think that we can extinguish pain.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ูˆู„ุง ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ู„ู†ุง.
we cannot and we should not.
ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ. ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
pain is part of living. suffering is part of living.
ูˆู†ุญู† ู†ูƒุณุจ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ุฎู„ุงู„ ู…ุนุงู†ุงุชู†ุง.
and we gain much greater knowledge of ourselves through our own suffering.
ูˆู‡ุคู„ุงุก ู…ู†ุง ู…ู† ูŠุนู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุน ู…ุฑุถู‰ ุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู„ุทูุฉ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู… ูŠุนุฑููˆู† ุฃู† ู…ุณุงุฑุงุช ุจู‡ุฌุชู†ุง ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุชูˆู„ุฏ ู…ู† ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฑุถู‰.
and those of us that work with palliative care patients everyday know that the routes of true joy are born out of the suffering of these patients.
ูˆูู‚ู‹ุง ู„ู…ุซุงู„ ุญูŠุงุฉ ูˆู…ูˆุช ู†ูŠู„ุณูˆู† ู…ุงู†ุฏูŠู„ุง ุจู‡ุฌุฉ ุดุฏูŠุฏุฉ ุชุฎุฑุฌ ู…ู† ู…ุนุงู†ุงุชู‡.
as per the example of the life and the death of Nelson Mandela great joy came out of his suffering.
ูˆุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุฃู† ู†ุชุฌู†ุจู‡ุง.
and that we should not avoid.
ู„ูƒู† ู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุชุฌู†ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุงู„ุฌุณุฏูŠ ูˆุชูˆููŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฑููŠู† ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู„ูƒุงูุฉ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„.
but we can avoid is the physical pain and getting morphine across the world to all countries.
ููŠู„ูŠุดูŠุง ูƒูŠู ุชุดุนุฑูŠู† ุญูŠุงู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
Felicia how do you feel about that.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒ ู…ุญู‚ ุชู…ุงู…ุง ููŠ ุฃู† ุชุณูƒูŠู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ู„ูŠุณ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุญู„ ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ.
I think you are absolutely right that pain control is not the only answer.
ู„ูƒู†ู‡ ุงู„ุญุฏ ุงู„ู…ุนูŠุงุฑ ุงู„ุฃุฏู†ู‰ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุจูˆู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ู‡ุฑูˆุจ ู…ู†ู‡.
but it is the minimum acceptable standard from which we cannot escape.
ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุญุฐุฑูŠู† ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ู‚ูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
I would be a let bit careful about how we say it.
ุจู…ุนุงู†ุงุชูŠ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุนู„ุงุฌ ุงู„ุณุฑุทุงู† ุจู†ูุณูŠุŒ ุจุนุถ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ูˆู„ุฏุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ูุฑุญ.
having suffered through cancer treatment myself, some of the suffering brought us much joy.
ูˆู†ุชุนู„ู… ู‚ุฏุฑู‹ุง ู‡ุงุฆู„ุงู‹.
and we learn a tremendous amount.
ู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู…ุฏู‰ ุงู…ุชู†ุงู†ูŠ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ู… ูŠุถุทุฑ ู„ู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ุฃุทูˆู„ ู…ู…ุง ุนุงู†ูŠุช.
but I cannot say how grateful I am that he did not have to suffer more than I did.
ุฃูˆ ุฒูˆุฌูŠ ูˆุฃุทูุงู„ูŠุŒ ุฒูˆุฌูŠ ุฃุฎุตุงุฆูŠ ุตุญุฉุŒ ู„ู… ูŠุถุทุฑ ุฃู† ูŠุฑุงู†ูŠ ุฃุนุงู†ูŠ ุฃุทูˆู„ ู…ู…ุง ุงุถุทุฑุฑุช.
or that my husband and my children, my husband a health professional, did not have to see me suffer more than I did.
ูˆุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ููˆุถู‰ ุงู„ุฑู‡ูŠุจุฉ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃู„ู….
and also that there are some terrible mess around pain.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุฐู‡ุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู‚ู„ู‚ู†ูŠ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง.
and this goes in the way that always worries me.
ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃุณู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู† ุฃูˆู‡ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ู„ุง ูŠุนุงู†ูˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุจุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุนุงู†ูŠ ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ูƒุจุงุฑ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู†ุณุงุก ุงู„ู„ุงุฆูŠ ุฃุญุจ.
when I hear people say oh children do not suffer pain the way that adults do or women that one I love.
ู‡ู„ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู†.
do people believe that.
ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุณุงุก ู„ุง ูŠุนุงู†ูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุจุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู†ูุณู‡ุง ู„ุฃู† .
people believe that women do not suffer pain the same way because .
ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ุญุชู‰.
or children even.
ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุณู…ุนู‡ู….
or children because we can hear them.
ู‡ู„ ู†ุญู† ุญู‚ุง ู„ุง ู†ุดุนุฑ ุจุงู„ุฃู„ู… ุจุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุดุนุฑ ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ุฑุฌู„.
do we really not feel pain the way that man do.
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ูุฎูˆุฑูŠู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุจู‡ุฐุง. ุฃู†ุง ู„ุณุช ู…ุชุฃูƒุฏู‹ุง.
should be so proud of this. I am not so sure.
ุญุณู†ู‹ุง ุฃู„ูŠูƒุณ ููƒุฑุฉ ุณุฑูŠุนุฉ.
okay Alex a quick thought.
ู†ุนู…ุŒ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุฃู† ููŠู„ูŠุดูŠุง ู‚ุฏู…ุชู ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู…ู‡ู…ู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
yeah, so I think mainly Felicia you brought something very important.
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุถุญ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุฃุฏู†ู‰ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุชูˆู‚ุน ุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง ุฃูŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุฏูˆู† ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู† ู†ุญู†.
we need to set a minimum level of care and outcomes that we should all expect to get anywhere in the world regardless who we are.
ู„ูƒู† ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุงู„ุฏูุน ู„ุซูˆุฑุฉ ุชุฌุจุฑู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงู†ุชู‚ุงู„ ู„ุฃูุถู„ ู…ูˆู‚ู ู…ู…ูƒู†.
but we should also push for a revolution that forces us to go for the best possible situation.
ูˆุฃู†ุง ุนุงุฏุฉ ู„ุง ุฃุญุจ ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช.
and I usually do not like indicators.
ู„ูƒู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุฉ ุจุงู„ุฐุงุช ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช.
but I think in this particular case we need indicators.
ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุชูู‚ ูƒู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุนุงู„ู…ูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ูŠุนู†ูŠู‡ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุช ู„ุงุฆู‚ู‹ุง.
and we need to agree as a global community as to what it means to have a good death.
ูˆุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุญุฏ ุงู„ุฃุฏู†ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุทู„ูˆุจ ูˆุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ูŠ.
and to have a range of minimum desired and ideal.
ูˆุงู„ุณุนูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ูŠ ู…ู† ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ู‚ุน ุชุญุช ุงู„ุญุฏ ุงู„ุฃุฏู†ู‰.
and to strive for the ideal making sure that we do not fall below the minimum.
ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
thank you.
ู‡ู„ ู„ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุฑุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ูู‚ุท.
may I just react on this.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ุฅุฐุง ุณู…ุญุชู… ู„ูŠุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนุฑููˆู† ุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุงุน ุฅู„ูŠูƒู… ูˆุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุถุนูˆู† ุจู‡ุง ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุถุฑูˆุฑูŠุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
because I think, if I may, because, you know listening to you and the way you put this, it is so essential.
ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ูˆุงุฌู‡ ูˆุงู‚ุนูŠู† ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนูŠ ุงู„ุบุฑุจูŠ.
because we are facing two realities in western industrialized society.
ู„ุฃู† ู†ู…ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ู†ุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุชุฌู†ุจ ูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุบูŠุฑ ูˆุงู‚ุนูŠุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ูˆุฎุงุทุฆุฉ.
because we have the means we think we should avoid all suffering in a way which is completely unrealistic and wrong.
ุฅู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฎุงุทุฆุฉ. ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุฎุงุทุฆุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
it is in fact wrong. this is the wrong way to deal with life.
ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู† ุฃูˆู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
on the other side, people think oh suffering is life.
ูˆุญุชู‰ ุฃู†ุชู… ู„ุง ุชู…ุชู„ูƒูˆู† ุงู„ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูˆุงุฌู‡ู‡ุง ูˆู‡ูŠ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุฏูŠู†ู†ุง ุญุชู‰.
and even you do not have the means we have to face it and it is part of our religion even.
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฎุทุงุจุŒ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ููƒุฑุชูŠู†.
we have this discourse, so have to work on two thought.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุญูŠุซ ุญูˆุงุฑ ุงู„ุญุถุงุฑุงุช ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉุŒ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฎุทุงุจ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆู… ุจูŠู† ุซู‚ุงูุชูŠู† ู…ู‡ู… ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฅุตู„ุงุญ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนูŠ ุจู…ูู‡ูˆู… ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ.
and this is where dialogue of civilizations are interface, or intercultural discourses are so impotent to reconcile the industrialized society with the concept of suffering.
ููŠ ู‚ุฑุงุฑุฉ ู†ูุณู‡ ู„ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
deep down to say this is life.
ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ุญูŠุซ ุณุฃู„ุชู… ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
and this is where you asked the great questions.
ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡.
this is one thing that we have to do.
ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ู„ู„ุฎุฑูˆุฌ ุจุฃุฏู†ู‰ ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ู„ู„ู†ุงุณ ุญูŠุซ ูŠุนุงู†ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุทุจุงุก.
on the other side to come with the minimum to help the people as the physical suffering.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุก ู…ุง ู„ู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุฉ ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุญูŠุซ ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ู„ู„ุฅุนุฏุงุฏ.
but these is something which is a very deep discussion where we need to be equipped.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ููŠ ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุตุทู„ุญุงุช ู…ู‡ู…ุฉุŒ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ุฃู„ู… ูˆู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ู„ุง ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ูˆุงู„ู…ูˆุช ุงู„ู„ุงุฆู‚.
and this is why terminology is important, the way you deal with the word suffering, and pain and end of life If you do not and good death.
ู‡ุฐุง ุดูŠุก ู…ุง ุบูŠุฑ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ ูŠุฃุชูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฑุฌุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฅุณู„ุงู…ูŠุฉ.
this is something which is absent for example coming from the Islamic universal reference.
ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุฐู„ูƒ. ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
we are not talking about that. we do not talk about that.
ู†ุญู† ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ุชูƒูุฑ ุจู‡ุง ุนู† ุฐู†ูˆุจูƒ ุฃูˆ ูŠูุบูุฑ ู„ูƒ ูˆุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ูู‚ุท ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡ุง.
we are talking about suffering can sometimes be a way you are expiating, or being forgiven and if not just go for it.
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฎุทุงุจ ุชุจุณูŠุทูŠ ุดูƒู„ูŠ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
we have very formalistic simplistic discourse.
ูˆู†ุญู† ู„ู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆุนูŠ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ู†ุฎุฑุฌ ุนู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูˆุถุนุชู…ูˆู‡.
and we are not going to get the deep awareness if we do not come at the level you put it.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
and I think that it is very important.
ู…ุง ู‚ู„ุชู‡ ู„ู„ุชูˆ.
what you just said.
ุญุณู†ู‹ุง.
okay.
ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุงู„ุณุงุฆุฏ ุจุฃู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉ.
for me is the common reality that we have to face.
ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ู„ู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุจุนุถ ู„ู‚ุทุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉ.
I really want to get a few different snapshots from the room.
ูˆู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู†ูŠ ุฃุฑู‰ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃูŠุงุฏูŠ ุงู„ู…ุฑููˆุนุฉ.
and can I also say I am seeing so many hands up.
ู„ุง ุชูˆุฌุฏ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ูˆุงู‚ุนูŠุฉ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุจู‡ุง ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
there is no realistic way we can get to all.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุชุดุฌูŠุน ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุนุฏุฏ ู…ู…ูƒู† ู…ู†ูƒู… ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ู„ุฅุฑุณุงู„ ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ.
so could I encourage as many of you as possible to also use the app to send in the questions.
ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู‚ุฏ ู‚ู…ุช ุจุชู†ุฒูŠู„ู‡ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฃู†ู‡ ุณุฑูŠุน ุจุดูƒู„ ู„ุง ูŠุตุฏู‚.
if you have not downloaded it already it is incredibly quick.
ูˆูƒู„ู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุฎู„ููŠ ู…ู† ุดุงุฑุชูƒ.
and your password is on the back of your badge.
ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุฃุนุฑููƒ ุดุฎุตูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุณูˆู ุฃุชุนุฑู ุนู„ู‰ ุฃููƒุงุฑูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ.
at least that way if I do not get to you in person, we will get your thoughts into the conversation.
ุชูุถู„.
go ahead.
ู„ูˆูƒุงุณ ุฃุฑุฌูˆ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุงุจุทุฉ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู…ุณุชุดููŠุงุช ูˆุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู„ุทูุฉ.
Lucas Argo from the international association of hospice and palliative care.
ู…ุณุงู‡ู…ุชูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุตุทู„ุญุงุช ุณุชูƒูˆู† ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุทู„ุจ ุงู„ู…ูˆุช ุงู„ู„ุงุฆู‚ ูƒุญู‚ ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠ.
my contribution to the terminology would be that I would say that we should not ask for the good death as a human right.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ุบูŠุฑ ู…ู…ูƒู†.
because that sometimes is not possible.
ุฃู†ุง ุฃุนู…ู„ ูƒุทุจูŠุจ ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ู…ู„ุทูุฉ.
I work as a palliative care physician .
ูˆุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู… ุฅุฐุง ู…ุงุชุช ุฃู… ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ุจู…ุฑุถ ู…ุฒู…ู† ู„ู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ูˆุชู‹ุง ู„ุงุฆู‚ู‹ุงุŒ ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู† ู…ุฏู‰ ุชุฎููŠู ุขู„ู…ู‡ุง.
and I can tell you if a young mother dies from a latent disease that will not to be a good death, no matter how we will relieve her pain.
ุฅู†ู‡ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ูุฑุงู‚ ู„ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ุงู„ุตุบุงุฑ ู„ูŠุณ ู…ู…ูƒู†ู‹ุง ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ.
it is just parting from young children is not possible in a good way.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุญู‚ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู„ุทูุฉ.
so I think the human right should be an access to palliative care.
ุจุญูŠุซ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ู†ูุนู„ ูƒู„ ู…ุง ุจูˆุณุนู†ุง ู„ุฅุนุทุงุฆู‡ู… ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู‚ุฏุฑ ู†ุณุชุทูŠุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุฉุŒ ุงู„ุฑูˆุญูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ู†ูุณูŠุฉ.
so that at least we do everything we can to give them as much physical, spiritual, and psychological care as we can.
ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏู†ุง ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ูˆุนูŠ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุฉ ูˆุงู„ู…ุชุฎุตุตูŠู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ุฏูุน ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู„ุฃู…ุงู….
and I think if we want implement that then we definitely need to have public awareness and professionals who can carry that forward.
ูˆุงุญุฏ ุฏูˆู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ู„ูŠุณ ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง.
one without the other is not good.
ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃุทุจุงุก ุงู„ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู„ุทูุฉ ูู‚ุท ู…ุฏุฑุจูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุธูŠูุชู‡ู… ุจุดูƒู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ู„ูƒู† ุฏูˆู† ูˆุนูŠ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุฉ.
and if you have just palliative care physicians trained on their job really well but no public awareness.
ุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุณูŠุฌู„ุณูˆู† ููŠ ุฑูƒู†ู‡ู… ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑ ู…ุน ุฃู‚ุฑุงุต ุงู„ู…ูˆุฑููŠู† ุญูˆู„ู‡ู….
then they would sit in their little corner with the morphine tablets around them.
ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู† ูŠุฌุนู„ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุฃูุถู„.
that will not do nobody good.
ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุงู„ูˆุนูŠ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุณูŠุชุทู„ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู„ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุชุฎููŠู ุงู„ุฃู„ู….
and if you have public awareness, but then people look for how to get relief from pain.
ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ู‡ู†ุง ุณูŠุนุทูŠ ู‡ุฐุง ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุบูŠุฑ ุตุญูŠุญ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
nobody is there who is going to give that to them, then that is also not very proper.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ุนู„ูŠูƒู… ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุงู„ุงุซู†ูŠู† ู…ุนู‹ุง.
so I think you definitely have to do both.
ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุนุทูŠ ุงู„ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏุฉ ุจุฌูˆุงุฑูƒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุนุฑู ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู‚ุงู…ุช ุจุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ููŠ ูƒูˆู„ูˆู…ุจูŠุง.
could you give the microphone to the lady next to you who I know has done a lot of work in Colombia.
ุฃู„ูŠูƒุณ ุฃู†ุช.
Alex you.
ุฐูƒุฑุช ู†ุนู….
mentioned yeah.
ูƒู†ุช ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุชุฌู†ุจ ุฐู„ูƒ.
I was trying to avoid it .
ู„ูƒู† ุฃู†ุง ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชู‚ูˆู„ู‡ุงุŒ ุงู„ุทุงุฆุฑ ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑ ุฃุฎุจุฑู†ูŠ.
but I know you have got good things to say, a little bird told me.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฅุฐุง ุชุญุฏุซู†ุง ุนู† ุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดุฎุต ูŠุณุชุญู‚ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุฃู† ู†ุฐูƒุฑู‡.
I think that if we talk about innovation there is one that really deserves to be mentioned.
ูˆู‡ูˆุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ ู„ูŠุณ ุฌุฏูŠุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ุณู„ู… ู…ู†ุธู…ุฉ ุงู„ุตุญุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู…ุณูƒู†ุงุช.
and that is, it is not really that new, and it is the WHO analgesic ladder.
ูˆ ูƒุงุซูŠ ููˆู„ูŠ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌู„ุณ ุชุญุงูˆู„ ุฅุฎูุงุก ู†ูุณู‡ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
and Kathy Foley who is sitting just trying to hide herself as well.
ูƒุงุซูŠุŒ ูู‚ุท ู„ูˆุญูŠ ุจูŠุฏูƒ.
Kathy, just wave your hand.
ูƒุงู†ุช ุฌุฒุกุง ู…ู† ุงู„ูุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุทูˆุฑ ุณู„ู… ุงู„ู…ุณูƒู†ุงุช.
she was part of the team that developed the analgesic ladder.