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ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ุฃูˆ ูƒุชู„ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุทุงุน ุงู„ุฎุงุตุŸ
or the mass of the private sector?
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุจุถุนุฉ ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู‡ู†ุง ู„ู‡ุง ุตุฏู‰ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุชุตุฏ.
so there are a couple of things in there which echo in frugal innovation.
ุจุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู†ุฏ ุจุงู„ู†ุฏ.
mainly is the importance of peer-to-peer learning.
ู„ูƒู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃุบู„ุจ ุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุชุตุฏ ุงู„ุขู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ู†ู…ุงุฐุฌ ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุฌุฏูŠุฏุฉ ู…ุฑุชุจุทุฉ ุจู‡.
but also that most frugal innovations have new business models attached to them.
ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุทุฑู‚ ุฌุฏูŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชู…ูˆูŠู„ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฑุชุจุทุฉ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ุทุฑู‚ ุฌุฏูŠุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุชูˆุตูŠู„.
they have new ways of funding some things attached and not just new ways of delivery.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ...ู†ุนู….
so...yeah.
ุฃู†ุงุŸ.
me?.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ุงุณู…ูŠ ุดู„ุจูŠ ู…ูƒุฌุงุฑุงู„ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุนูŠุด ููŠ ุงู„ู‡ู†ุฏ ูˆุฃุนู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุงู„ู†ุงุดุฆุฉ ู„ู„ุชุนู„ูŠู….
my name is Shelby McGaral I live in India and work with education startups.
ุฃู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฃู†ุง ุฃุฑู‰ ุฏ.ุบูˆุจุชุง ูŠุบุงุฏุฑ.
I am actually I see Dr. Gupta leaving.
ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงุนุชู‚ุฏุช ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุชู†ุงู‚ุถ ุจูŠู† ู…ุง ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู†ู‡ ุฏ.ุบูˆุจุชุง ู…ุณุจู‚ู‹ุง.
but I thought there is a contrast between Dr. Gupta talked about earlier.
ูˆู…ุง ู‚ูŠู„ ู‡ู†ุง.
and what was said here.
ูˆุงู„ุชู†ุงู‚ุถ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฑุงู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†.
and the contrast I am seeing is.
ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุญุฏุซ ุฏ.ุบูˆุจุชุง ุนู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุจุชูƒุฑูŠู†.
whereas Dr. Gupta spoke about learning from the innovators.
ู…ู† ุงู„ุฒุฑ ุฃุนู„ู‰ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุงุนุฏุฉ ุงู„ุดุนุจูŠุฉ.
from the button up in the grassroots.
ุจูŠู†ู…ุง ุดุงู†ูˆู† ุณุคุงู„ูŠ ุฅู„ูŠูƒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ู‡ู†ุฏูŠ ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ู…ูƒุชูˆุจ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
whereas Shannon my question to you is indian model is very scripted model.
ุจู‚ุฏุฑ ู…ุง ุฃูู‡ู… ุญูŠุซ ูŠุชู… ุฅุนุทุงุก ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฎุทุฉ ุฏุฑุณ ู„ุญุธุฉ ุจู„ุญุธุฉ.
as far as I understand where the teachers are given kind of minute-by-minute lesson plans.
ูˆุณุคุงู„ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฑุจู…ุง ุชูˆู‚ุน ุงู„ุทู„ุงุจ ุฃู† ูŠุตุจุญูˆุง ู…ุจุชูƒุฑูŠู†.
and my question is how can you possibly expect students to become innovators.
ุญูŠุซ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ุฃู†ูุณู‡ู… ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุณู…ูˆุญ ู„ู‡ู… ุจุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ููŠ ูุตูˆู„ู‡ู… ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ.
whereas the teachers themselves are not allowed innovate in their classrooms.
ูˆูŠุชู… ุฅุนุทุงุกู‡ู… ู†ู…ุงุฐุฌ ู…ูƒุชูˆุจุฉ. ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุณุคุงู„ูŠ ู„ูƒ.
and they are given scripted models. so that is my question to you.
ู‡ุฐุง ุฑุงุฆุน ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูˆุงุญุฏ ุขุฎุฑ.
that is great and there is one more.
ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุชู„ู‚ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏุฉ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ู‡ุฐุง ุณุคุงู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
let's take that question up there, this woman there. that is a very good question.
ูู‚ุท ุฎุฐ ุงู„ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏุฉ ู‡ู†ุง...ู„ุง ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ุฎู„ู. ู†ุนู….
just take the mic quickly to this lady here โ€ฆno this lady behind. yup.
ู†ุนู…ุŒ ู†ุนู… ุงู„ุณูŠุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ุฎู„ูุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ู†ุนู…. ู‡ุง ุฃู†ุช ุฐุง.
yeah, yeah the lady behind, there, yeah. there you go.
ู…ุฑุญุจู‹ุง. ุงุณู…ูŠ ุฌูˆุฑุฌูŠุช ูŠุงูƒู…ุงู†. ุฃู†ุง ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ูˆุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ูˆุงู„ู‡ู†ุฏุณุฉ ูˆุงู„ูู†ูˆู† ูˆุงู„ุฑูŠุงุถูŠุงุช.
hello. my name is Georgette Yakman. I do STEAM education.
ูˆุฃุจุญุซ ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฑุงู…ุฌ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ุซู„ ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠ.
and I am looking for other programs that are like mine on the international level.
ู„ุฃู† ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌูŠ ูŠุนู…ู„ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู„ุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉ ูˆ ูƒูˆุฑูŠุง.
because mine is working in US and Korea.
ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุงู„ุนุซูˆุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ูŠุนู…ู„ูˆู† ููŠ ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซ.
but I really want to find others that are working in third-world countries.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู„ ุฑุฃูŠุชู… ู†ู…ุงุฐุฌ ู„ุฃู†ุธู…ุฉ ู…ุชูƒุงู…ู„ุฉ ุชุงุจุนุฉ ุชุดุชุฑูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ู…ุญู„ูŠุฉ.
so have you seen models of subject integrated systems that involve local bossinesses.
ูˆุฅู†ุดุงุก ูุฑู‚ ู…ู† ุงู„ุทู„ุงุจ ู‚ุงุฆู…ุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ู‡ุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุทู„ุงุจ.
and create teams of students based on the student skills.
ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุฃุดุจู‡ ุจุนู…ู„ ุชุฌุงุฑูŠ ุตุบูŠุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ ุญูŠุซ ุงู„ุทู„ุงุจ ูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆู† ุจุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุณ ู„ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถุŸ
in order to be more like a small business in a classroom where the student do teach other?
ุซู… ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุณูŠุฏุฉ ูู‚ุท ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุตููˆู ู„ู„ูˆุฑุงุก. ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูŠุณุงุฑุŒ ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุงุฑูุนูŠ ูŠุฏูƒ.
and then there is a lady just four rows back. on the left, yeah, put your hand up.
ุญุตู„ุชู ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู†. ู†ุนู… ุชูุถู„ูŠ.
you got the mic. yeah go ahead.
ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…. ุงุณู…ูŠ ู…ูˆุฏูŠ ุณุงูƒุงุณูŠ. ุฃู†ุง ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ููŠ ู„ูŠุณูˆุชูˆ.
thank you. my name is Modee Sakasi. I am a teacher in Lesotho.
ุฃู†ุง ู‡ู†ุง ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ ู‡ู„ 40 ู…ุชุนู„ู… ุนุฏุฏ ูƒุจูŠุฑ.
I here talking about the number of learning in class in that 40 learners is a big number.
ูˆูƒู†ุช ุฃููƒุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ู ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุฒู„.
and I was thinking of the situation that I have at home.
ุญูŠุซ ู„ุฏูŠ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 100 ู…ุชุนู„ู… ููŠ ูุตู„ ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ ูˆุงุญุฏ.
where I have about 100 learners in one class.
ูˆู…ุง ุดุงู‡ุฏุชู‡ ูƒู…ุนู„ู… ู„ู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนูˆุงู… ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†.
and to what I have seen as a teacher for many years is that.
ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ู„ุชุญููŠุฒ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุนุฏุฏู‹ุง ูƒุจูŠุฑู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ.
one thing that also to motivate teachers is to have a big number in class.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนุฑู ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ููŠ ุจุฑุงู…ุฌู‡ู….
so I want to know what besides helping teachers with the programs.
ู…ุงุฐุง ูุนู„ุชู… ู„ู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุฏุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ูŠู‚ู„ ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ.
what else have you done to make sure that the number actually decrease in class.
ู‡ู„ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุญุจุท ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุญุชู‰ ู„ู†ุง ูƒู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ุฃู„ุง ู†ูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ู…ุชุนู„ู… ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„.
it is really frustrating even on us as teachers not to be able reach each and every learner in class.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนุฑู ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฃุฎุฐูˆู†ู‡ุง ู„ู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ.
so I want to know what are the measures that you are taking to make sure.
ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุนุฏุฏ.
that at least we have the number.
ุฃูŠ ู‡ู„ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู… ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู…. ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
that is that a teacher can be able to reach every day. thank you.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุดุงู†ูˆู† ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุจูƒ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ.
so Shannon letโ€™s start with you on that.
ู„ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ูุตูˆู„ ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุทุจูŠุนูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ู…ุชุทูˆุฑุŒ ุตุญูŠุญุŸ
because you have bigger classes than that would be normally in the developed world, right?
ูˆุฃู†ุช ุชุธู† ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุญูุงุธ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌูˆุฏุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน.
and you think actually that you can maintain quality.
ุญุชู‰ ุฃุญุฌุงู… ุงู„ูุตูˆู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
up to quite high class sizes.
ูƒูŠู ุชู‚ูˆู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŸ ูˆู…ุง ุญุฌู… ูƒุจุฑ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุŸ
how do you do that? and how big is the class is?
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ุซู„ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ูŠู‚ุชุฑุจุŒ ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุจุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
so like everything is approached, we start with data.
ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃุคู…ู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุจูŠู†ู…ุง ู„ุง ู†ุธุงู… ุฌูŠุฏ ุฃูˆ ุณูŠุก.
and I fully believe with it while that like no system is good or bad.
ูู‚ุท ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุนุงู… ุฃูˆ ุฎุงุต ุฃูˆ.
just because it is public or it is private or.
ุฅู†ู‡ ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ูŠุตู„ ู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ. ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ู„ู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
it is about if it delivers results. and we have to look for the data.
ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุญุชู‰ุŒ ุฃุฌุฑูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจุญุซ.
before we have even started, we did a lot of research.
ุจู…ุง ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ููŠ ูƒู„ ุฃูˆุฑุงู‚ ูˆูƒู„ ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ู…ู†ุถุจุทุฉ ุนุดูˆุงุฆูŠุฉ ุชู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฌุฏู‡ุง.
including looking through all of the papers and every other RCT we can find.
ุจุงุญุซูŠู† ุนู† ุงู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุงู„ู…ุซุจุชุฉ.
looking for proven results.
ุฎุงุตุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฑุชุจุทุฉ ุจุชุนุงูˆู† ุชุฏุฑูŠุจ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ู…ุน ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
particularly related to correlation of teacher training with people outcomes.
ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุฃูŠ ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
there is not really any.
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุญุฌู… ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ.
and then also there is the class size.
ู„ุฃู† ุชุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู… ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุชุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุฃุบู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡.
because a teacher intervention is the most expensive intervention you can make.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ ุฃู† ุชุนุฑู ุฅู† ูƒุงู† ุญู‚ู‹ุง ูŠุณุชุญู‚ ู‡ุฐุง.
so you would better know if it is really worth it.
ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฏุฑุงุณุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ. ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ุชูุณูŠุฑู‡ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุฎุชู„ู.
and there are different studies. they can all be interpreted differently.
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑุงู‚ ุงู„ู…ุดุชุฑูƒุฉ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฅุญุงู„ุชู‡ุง ู„ูƒู….
there are so meta papers out there that I could refer you to.
ู„ูƒู† ุจุดูƒู„ ุนุงู…ุŒ ุฅุฐุง ุชู…ูƒู†ุช ุฃู† ุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ูุตู„ ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ ุชุญุช 15ุŒ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ 20ุŒ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุณุญุฑูŠู‹ุง.
but in general, if you could get a class below 15, some say 20, it is magical.
ู‡ูˆ ุนุงู„ู… ู…ุฎุชู„ู ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
it is a totally different world.
ุฅู†ู‡ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ู…ุฑุจูŠุฉ.
it is like you a governess.
ุฅู† ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉ ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ุง ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„.
if you have the right person in the room and she can really tutor these children.
ุฃูˆุฑุงู‚ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู„ุฏูŠู‡ุง ุงู„ู‚ุทุน ุงู„ุฃุนู„ู‰ ููŠ ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
different papers have the higher cutoff at a different point.
ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ 60ุŒ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ 80ุŒ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ 85.
some say 60, some say 80, some say 85.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุฌุนู„ูƒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ุจูŠู† 20 ูˆ60 ุงู†ุฏูุงุนุฉ.
but that leaves you pretty much between 20 and 60 dash.
ุญูŠุซ ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงู ุงู„ุฃูƒุจุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ.
where it is not the teacher that is the biggest difference in the classroom.
ุฅู†ู‡ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุขุฎุฑ.
it is everything else.
ุฅู†ู‡ ู…ุงู‡ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญุชูˆู‰ุŒ ูƒู… ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ุณุงุนุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณ ุจุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง.
it is what is the content, how many hours is the teacher teaching.
ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุฏ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณุชุฎุฏู…ู‡ุง.
what materials are you using.
ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ู…ู†ู‡ุฌูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู†ู‡ุฌุŸ
what is the methodology of the approach?
ูƒูŠู ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุญู„ู‚ุฉ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ูˆุงู„ู…ุนู„ู….
how are you having feedback loops between the people and the teacher.
ูƒู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ ู…ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุญุฌู… ุงู„ูุตู„ 25ุŒ 35ุŒ 45 ุฃูˆ 55.
all of that is more important than whether the class size is 25, 35, 45 or 55.
ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ููŠ ุจุฑูŠุฏุฌ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุชูˆุณุท 34 ุชู„ู…ูŠุฐ ู„ูƒู„ ุทูู„ ู„ูƒู†ู†ุง ุณู†ุฑูุนู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ 55.
today at Bridge we average 34 pupils per child but we will take it up to 55.
ุฑุฃูŠู†ุง ููŠ ู…ุฏุงุฑุณู†ุง ุงู„ุชูŠ ุจู‡ุง 55 ุทูู„ ููŠ ุงู„ูุตู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠ ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุจู‡ุง 30.
we have seen in our schools that have 55 children in class versus those that have 30.
ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุงุฎุชู„ุงู ููŠ ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุงู„ุทู„ุงุจ.
there is no different in pupil outcomes.
ุญุชู‰ ุฏุงุฎู„ ู†ุธุงู…ู†ุง ุนุจุฑ 213 ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
even within our own system across 213 schools.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู†ุง ุณุฃุณุฃู„ูƒ ุณุคุงู„ ุดู„ุจูŠ.
so I am going to ask you Shelby's question
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุฌูˆู‡ุฑ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ู‡ูˆ
I think part of the essence of Shelby's question is
ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุงู„ุชุญูƒูŠู… ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู‚ุชุตุฏู‹ุงุŒ ูˆุฃู† ุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุญูƒูŠู…ุŒ ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ู†ู‡ุฌูŠู‹ุง.
if you need scaled be frugal, and get to scale, you need to be systematic.
ุฃู†ุช ุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุชู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ูˆุงู„ุชูƒูŠู.
you then drive out innovation and adaptability.
ู‡ู„ ุฃุตุจุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุฌุงุช ุงู„ู…ูƒุชูˆุจุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู… ู…ู†ุญู‡ุง ุงู…ุชูŠุงุฒู‹ุง.
does this just become a sort of franchised scripted product.
ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู…ุงูƒุฏูˆู†ุงู„ุฏ.
and then you get pretty much [NE: :MISC McDonald] education.
ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‡ูˆ ู†ูุณู‡ ููŠ ูƒู„ ู…ูƒุงู† ุจุฏู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชูƒูŠู ู…ุน ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงู.
which is same everywhere rather than adapting to difference.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุณุคุงู„ ุฅู† ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู…ู†ู‡ุฌ ุณูŠุชู… ุงู„ุฅุดุงุฑุฉ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ุฃุดูˆูŠู†.
and this is also question if this syllabus would touch on by Ashwin.
ู„ูƒู† ุงุจุฏุฃ ุฃู†ุช ุดุงู†ูˆู†.
but you start Shannon.
ุฃุญุจ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฏุนู†ูŠ ุฃุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุดูŠุก ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ.
I love the question because let me directly get at something.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุบุงู„ุจู‹ุง ูŠุชู… ูู‡ู…ู‡ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฎุงุทุฆ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุงุช ุงู„ู…ูƒุชูˆุจุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู†ู…ุทูŠุฉ.
that I think is often misconceived about scripted or patterned instruction.
ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุจูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุตู ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ูƒู†ุช ุชู†ุชุธุฑ.
let's start with you in the middle because you were waiting.
ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃุฑุฌูˆูƒ ุชูุถู„.
yes, please go ahead.
ุฃุดูƒุฑูƒุŒ ุฃ. ุฅู‚ุจุงู„
thank you, Mr. Iqbal
ูู‚ุท ุฃุฑุฌูˆ ุฃู† ุชู…ุณูƒ ุงู„ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ุจุงู„ู‚ุฑุจ ู…ู† ูู…ูƒ.
just hold your microphone please to your mouth.
ุญุณู†ู‹ุง. ุฃ. ุฅู‚ุจุงู„ ูƒุงู† ูŠุชุญุฏุซ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ูˆุงู„ุนุงู…ุฉ.
Ok. Mr. Iqbal was talking about the private and public schools.
ุญูŠุซ ุณูˆู ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูุฑู‚ู‹ุง ุจูŠู† ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุชุนู„ู….
where the will be a difference between the education system and the learning system.