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ููู ุณุคุงูู ููุง ุนู ูููู ุงูุฑุณูู
. | but my question is about the fee structure. |
ูุฃูุ ููุงู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุฃูููุงุก ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ูุง ูุณุชุทูุนูู ุชุญู
ู ูููุงุช ุจุนุถ ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | because, there are many parents which cannot afford some of the private schools. |
ุงูุชู ูููู ูููุง ูุธุงู
ุชุนููู
ุฌูุฏ ุฌุฏูุง. | where there might be a very good learning system. |
ูุฐููุ ู
ุง ุฑุฃูู ูู ูุฐู ุงูุญุงูุงุช ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุชุนูู ุงูุฃู
ุฑ ุจุงูุฃุทูุงู. | so, what do you think about such cases when it comes to the children. |
ูุฃููู
ูุฑูุฏูู ูุฃุจูุงุฆูู
ุฃู ูุฏุฑุณูุง ูู ู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุฌูุฏุฉ ุฌุฏูุง ููููู
ูุง ูุณุชุทูุนูู ุชุญู
ู ูููุงุชูุง. | because they want their children to study in a very good schools but they cannot afford. |
ูุธุงู
ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ุซู ูุฐุง ูู
ูู ุฃู ูููู ู
ุจุชููุฑ ุฌุฏูุง ูุชูุงุนูู ูุฃุทูุงููู
. ูุฐููุ ูุนู
. | such new learning system which can be very innovative and interactive to their kids. so, yeah. |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. ุฏุนููุง ูุฃุฎุฐ ุงูุณุคุงู ูู ุงูุฎูู. | thank you. let's take the question behind at the back. |
ุฃูุง ุฑูุง ุฏูุฌุงูู ู
ู ููู ุฃูู ุฑูุฏููุฌ. | , I am Rana Dijani from Wheel Of Reading. |
ุณุคุงูู ู ุฅูุจุงู ูู ุชุญุฏู ุทุฑููุฉ ุงูุชูููู
. | my question for Iqbal is to challenge the method of assessment. |
ุงูุชู ุชุณุชุฎุฏู
ูููุง ูุชูููู
ูุฐู ุงูุจุฑุงู
ุฌ ุงูู
ุฎุชููุฉ | that you are using to evaluate these different programs |
ุฎุตูุตูุง ูู ุณูุงู ู
ูุงูุดุฉ ุงูุฃู
ุณ. | especially in the context of yesterday's discussion. |
ุญูู ููููุฉ ููุงุณ ู
ุนูู ุงููุดู. | about how do we measure what does failure mean. |
ูุฅุฐุง ูุงู ุดุฎุต ู
ุง ูุง ููุงุณุจ ุทุฑููุฉ ุงูุชูููู
ุงูููุงุณูุฉ. | and if somebody does not fit the standardized assessment method. |
ููุญู ูุนุชุจุฑูู
ูุง ูุคุฏูู ุฌูุฏูุง ุจุดูู ูุงูู. | and we consider them that they are not doing good enough. |
ุจุงูุชุงูู ููู ูู
ูููุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุทุฑููุฉ ุชูููู
ู. | then how could we use your method of assessment. |
ูุชูููู
ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌูุง ุชุนููู
ููุง ู
ุจุชูุฑ ุฃู
ูุง ู
ุคูู ุฃู
ูุง. | to assess if an educational program is innovative or not or qualified or not. |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. | thank you. |
ููุฌุฏ ูุงุญุฏ ููุงู. | and then there is the one over there. |
ูู ููุงู ุฃู ุดุฎุต ุญุตู ุนูู ุงูู
ููุฑููู ููุงู. | is there anyone who got the microphone over there. |
ูุนู
ูููุงู ูุงุญุฏ ููุง ุฃูุถูุงุ ููุง ูู ุงูุตู 3. ุชูุถู. | yeah and then there is one down here as well, just here in the 3rd raw. go ahead. |
ูุนู
ุ ู
ุฑุญุจูุง ุฃูุง ุฌูู ูุฑุงููุชุฒ ู
ู ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฑูุชูุงูุฏ ุงูุนููุง ูู ููุฑู
ููุช ุงูููุงูุงุช ุงูู
ุชุญุฏุฉ. | yeah, hi I am Jane Kravitz from Rutland High School in Vermont US. |
ูู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู
ุง ุชุญุฏุซูุง ููู ุญูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | in a lot of what we were talking about is private schools. |
ููู ุงูุงุจุชูุงุฑ ุงูู
ูุชุตุฏ ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | and in frugal innovation in private schools. |
ูุฃูุง ุฃุณุฃู ุนู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงูุช ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ุงูู
ูุงู ุงููุญูุฏ. | and I am wondering if private schools are the only places. |
ุญูุซ ูู
ูู ุฃู ูููู ูุฏููุง ุงุจุชูุงุฑ ู
ูุชุตุฏ ู
ุน ุงููุธุฑ ูููููุฏ ุนูู ู
ูุฒุงููุฉ ุงูุญููู
ุฉ. | we can have frugal innovation and given the government budget constraints. |
ุฃูุง ูู
ูู ููุฌุฏ ุฐูู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุนุงู
ุฉ. | cannot those happen in public schools. |
ูุณูููู ุฐูู ุนูู ูุทุงู ุฃูุณุน ู
ู ูููู ูุธุงู
ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฎุงุตุฉ ููุทุ | and that would be far more scalable than just a private school system? |
ุนุธูู
ุซู
ููุงู ุงูุณูุฏ ุงูู
ุญุชุฑู
ุฅุฐุง ุฑูุนุช ูุฏูุ ูุง ูู ููุงู ูุนู
. | great and then there is gentleman if you put your hand up, there just there yeah. |
ู
ุฑุญุจูุงุ ุงุณู
ู ุฃูุง ู
ู ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌ ู
ู ุงูููุฏ. | hello, my name is I am from a program from India. |
ูู ุงููุงูุนุ ุฃุฑูุฏ ุงูุชุนููู ุนูู ุงููููุฏ ุฃูุถูุง. | actually, I want to comment about the limitation also. |
ุงูู
ุณู
ุงุฉ ุงูููุน ุงูููุงุณู ูุจุฑูุงู
ุฌ ุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ. | called standardized kind of teaching program. |
ูุงูุดู ููู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ูู
ูู ุฃู ูุคุฏู ุฅูู ุชุนููู
ู
ุจุชูุฑ ุฃู ู
ุจุฏุน ู
ู ุงูุทูู. | and the doubt about whether it can lead to the innovative or creative learning by the children. |
ุฃุนูุฏ ู
ู ุงูู
ูู
ุงูุชูุฑูุฉ ุฃูู. | I think it is useful to differentiate that . |
ูู ุนู
ููุฉ ุงูุชุนูู
ููุฌุฏ ุงุซูุงู ููุงู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูููุงู ุฃูุถูุง ุฃุทูุงู. | in the learning process there are two there is a teacher and there is also children. |
ุงูุขูุ ุญุชู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ุชุถุน ู
ุนูุงุฑ "ูุฏูุฑ ุงูู
ุนูู
". | now, even if you are standardizing "the role of a teacher". |
ูุฅูู ูู ุงููุงูุน ูู
ูุชู
ูุถุน ู
ุนูุงุฑ ูู ูุฃูู ุบูุฑ ู
ู
ูู. | actually it is not standardized it is not possible. |
ูู ุงูุณุงู ูุชุตุฑู ุจุทุฑููุฉ ูุฑูุฏุฉ ุนูู ุฃู ุญุงู. | each human being acts in a unique manner anyway. |
ูุฐูู ูู ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌ ู
ุซู ุจุฑูุฏุฌูุฒ ุฃู ุฃู ุดูุก ุขุฎุฑ. | so no program as Bridges or anything else. |
ูู
ูู ูุถุน ู
ุนูุงุฑ ูุณููู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุงููุตู. | can standardize teacher behavior's in the class. |
ููู ุงูุฃูุซุฑ ุฃูู
ูุฉุ ุณููู ุงูุทูู ุณูุก ูุง ูู
ูู ูุถุน ู
ุนูุงุฑ ูู. | but more importantly, child's behavior is nothing standardized. |
ูุฐููุ ูู
ููู ุฃู ุชุถุน ุดุฑุทูุง ูุณู
ู ูู
ูุฐุฌ ุงุณุชุจูุงู ุตุงุฏู. | so, you can create condition even so called standardized believed in model. |
ูููุน ุจุฑูุฏุฌูุฒ ุฃู ูุฐุง ุงูููุน ุงูุฐู ูุนุทู ู
ุณุงุญุฉ ู
ุชููุฑุฉ ููุทูู. | of the Bridges type or this type which gives ample space for the child. |
ููููู ู
ุจุฏุนูุง ููููู
ุจุงุจุชูุงุฑ ู
ุง ูุณุชุทูุน . | to be still creative and do whatever innovation he or she is capable |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. | thank you. |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. ูุฐูู ุฅูุจุงูุ ููุฌุฏ ุณุคุงููู ูู ููุงู. | thank you. so Iqbal, there are couple of questions for you there. |
ูุงุญุฏ ุญูู ุงูุชูููู
ุ ููููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ูุฐุง ุงูุณุคุงู ู
ู ููุฑู
ููุช. | one about evaluation, but also I think this question [REP about from Vermont. |
ุงูุฐูุ ููุณ ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ููุฌ ุงุจุชูุงุฑู ูุถุน ูู
ุงุฐุฌ ุฌุฏูุฏุฉ ููุฃูุธู
ุฉ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ. | which is; is not the most frugal approach to create new models for government systems. |
ูุชููู ุฃูุซุฑ ูุนุงููุฉ ุจูุซูุฑ. | to be much more effective. |
ูู ุงููุงูุนู ูุฐุง ู
ุง ูุงู
ุช ุจู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | actually, that is what a school in has done. |
ุฃูุดุฆู ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌูุง ููุญููู
ุฉ ูู
ุณุงุนุฏุชูุง ูู ุงูุนู
ู ุจุดูู ู
ุฎุชูู. | it has created a software for the government to assist them to work differently. |
ุณุชุชูุงูู ูุฐู ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ. | you will pick up those questions. |
ูุนู
ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ ุณุฃุชูุงูู ุงููููู ุซู
ูุฃุนุถุงุก ูุฑููู ุงูู
ุณุงุนุฏูู. | yes sure I will take a few and I then I will the rest to my co-panelist. |
ูุฐููุ ุฏุนููุง ูุจุฏุฃ ุจุขุฎุฑ ูุงุญุฏ. | so, let's start with the last one. |
ุงูุงุจุชูุงุฑ ุงูู
ูุชุตุฏ ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ ุนูู ุงูุฃุฌูุฏุฉ. | the frugal innovations in government schools are absolutely on the mark. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ูุฏููุง ุฏูุฑูุง ุชูุนุจู. | I think private schools have a role to play. |
ููู ุฅุฐุง ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ุงูุฅุญุตุงุฆูุงุช ุงูุขู. | but if you look at the statistics for now. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุนูู ุงูุฃูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณุฉ ุงูุฃุฎูุฑุฉ ู ูููููู ูู 2008. | I think at least the last UNICCO study in 2008. |
ุงูุชู ูุงูุช ุฃู 10-20ูช ู
ู ุงูุฃุทูุงู ุงูู
ุณุฌููู ูุฐูุจูู ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | which said 10-20% of the enrolled kids go to private schools. |
ูุฐูู ูุชููุน ู
ู ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฌููุจ ุงูุตุญุฑุงุก ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุงูุชู ูู 9ูช. | and that varies from Sub-Saharan Africa I think which is 9%. |
ูุฑุจู
ุง 20ูช ูู ุดุฑู ุขุณูุง. | and maybe 20% in East Asia. |
ูุฐููุ ู
ู ุงููุงุถุญ ุฃู ููุงู 80ูช ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ู
ู ุงูุฃุทูุงู. | so, clearly there is an 80% you know children. |
ู
ุง ุฒุงููุง ูุฐูุจูู ุฅูู ู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุญููู
ูุฉ ูู ุงูุฏูู ุงููุงู
ูุฉ. | who are still going to government schools in developing countries. |
ูุจุงูุชุงูู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ุชููุฑ ูู ู
ุตุงุฑูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | and then if you think about the private school fees. |
ูุณุขุชู ุฅูู ูุฐุง ุงูุณุคุงู ุจุนุฏ ูููู. | and I will come to that question in a little bit. |
ุจุงูุชุงูู ูุฒูุฑ ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ูู ูููู ูุงุฏุฑูุง ุนูู ุงูุญุตูู ุนูู. | then the private school's minister will be not be able to get to this . |
ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ููุ ุฃุฏูู ุฃุฏุงุก ููุทูุงุจ. | you know, the lowest performing students or . |
ุงูุฐูู ููุดููู ูุถูุงู ุนู ููููู
ู
ู ุงูุฃุณุฑ ุงูุฃูู ุฏุฎูุงู. | who are failing well correlated as also being the lowest income households. |
ูุฐูู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ูุฐู ุงููู
ุงุฐุฌ ูู
ูู ูู ุงููุงูุน ุฃู ูุนู
ู. | so a lot of these models can actually work. |
ุญุณููุง ุนูู ุงูุฃูู ุจุนุถ ูุฐู ุงููู
ุงุฐุฌ ูู
ูู ุฃู ูุนู
ู ุจุดูู ุฌูุฏ ุฌุฏูุง ูู ุงูุฃู
ุงูู ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ. | well at least some of these models can work very very well in government settings. |
ุฏุนููู ุฃุนุทููู
ุฃู
ุซู ููููุฉ ุณุฑูุนูุง. | let me give you a couple of examples quickly. |
ุฃูู ูุงุญุฏ ูู ุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ ุนูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุตุญูุญ. | the first one is teaching at the right level. |
ุงูุฐู ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ูู
ูุฐุฌ ุจุฑุงุซุงู
ููุชุนููู
ุงูุนูุงุฌู. | which is you know the Pratham model of the remedial education. |
ุจุฏุฃ ูู ุจุนุถ ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | it started with some private schools. |
ููู ุงูุขู ุจุฑุงุซุงู
ูุชู
ุงูุชุฏุฑูุจ ุนููู ุจูุซุงูุฉ ููููุงู
ุจู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ. | but now Pratham is massively trained to do it with government schools. |
ุฅููู
ูุญุงูููู ุงูููุงู
ุจูุง ูู ุจูุงุฑ. | they are trying to do it in Bihar. |
ูุฏููุง ุชูููู
ููู
ูุญุงูููู ุงูููุงู
ุจู ูู ูุงุฑูุงูุง. | we have an evaluation of them trying to do it in Haryana. |
ุขุณู ูุงุชุงู
ููุงูุชุงู ูู ุงูููุฏ. | sorry these are both states in India. |
ููู ุญุงูุฉ ูุงุฑูุงูุงุ ุญูุซ ุฃุฌุฑููุง ุงูุชูููู
. | and in the case of Haryana, where we have done an evaluation. |
ูุฌุฏูุง ุฃุฎูุฑูุง ุญุงูุฉ ุจูุงุฑ. | we find and in ultimately the case of Bihar. |
ุฃู ู
ุฏุฑุณูู ุงูุญููู
ุฉ ุนูุฏ ุฅุฎุจุงุฑูู
ุจุนุฏู
ุชุฏุฑูุณ ุงูู
ููุฌ. | that government teachers when told not teach the syllabus. |
ููู ุจุฏูุงู ู
ู ุฐูู ุงูุชุฑููุฒ ุนูู ุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ ุจุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุตุญูุญุ ูุคุฏูู ูุนูุงูุ ูุนูุงู ุจุดูู ุฌูุฏ. | but instead to focus on teaching at the right level, they do really, really well. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ูุฐุง ู
ุซุงู ุนูู ุงูุงุจุชูุงุฑ ุงูู
ูุชุตุฏ. | and I think that is one example of frugal innovation. |
ุงูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุงูุญููู
ุฉ ุงูุชู ุชุนู
ู ุญููุง. | working with the government that really really works. |
ูุงูุณุคุงู ุงูุขุฎุฑ ูู ุงููุงูุน ุงูุนุฏูุฏ ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุทุฑุญูู ุจุงูุฃู
ุณ ูู ุญููุงุช ู
ุชุนุฏุฏุฉ ูุงู. | and the other question in fact a lot of people asked yesterday in various panels was. |
ู
ุงุฐุง ุนู ูุถุงูุง ุงูุตุญุฉุ | what about health issues? |
ู
ุงุฐุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงูุช ุญููุง ุชู
ูุน ุงูุฃุทูุงู ู
ู ุงูุฐูุงุจ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | what if what is really preventing the children from coming to school. |
ูุฃู ูุฏููู
ู
ุดููุงุช ุตุญูุฉุ ุณูุงุก ูุงู ุณูุก ุชุบุฐูุฉ ุฃู ุฏูุฏุงู ูู ุงูู
ุนุฏุฉ. | is because they have health issues, whether it is malnutrition or worms in the stomach. |
ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑูุ ูุฌุฏ ุฃู ุงูุงุจุชูุงุฑ ุงูู
ูุชุตุฏ ู
ุซู ู
ูุงูุญุฉ ุงูุฏูุฏุงู ุงูุทููููุฉ. | again, we are finding that frugal innovations like de-worming. |
ุฅุนุทุงุก ุงูุฃุทูุงู ุฃูุฑุงุต ููุชุฎูุต ู
ู ุงูุฏูุฏุงู ุงูู
ุนููุฉ. | giving kids pills to get rid of intestinal worms. |
ูู
ูู ุฃู ูููู ูู ุชุฃุซูุฑุงุช ูุจูุฑุฉ ุนูู ุงูุญุถูุฑ. | can have really, really a large impacts on on attendance. |
ูุฐูู ูู
ูู ุฃู ูุชู
ุชูุฑุงุฑู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ. | and those can be replicated in government schools. |
ูุฐููุ ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ููุฌุฏ ุงููุซูุฑ ููุงู. | so, I think there is lots there. |
ุณุฃููู ุฃูุถูุง ู
ุซุงู ุขุฎุฑ ููุฑุฌุนูุง ุฅูู ุงูุชุนููู
. | I would also say another example is returns to education. |
ุงูุฐู ููุฌุฏ ุฃูู ูุนุงู ุฃูุถูุง. | that also is found to be effective. |
ู
ู ุญูุซ ุงูุณุคุงู ุญูู ุชูููุฉ ู
ุตุงุฑูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | in terms of the question around the cost of fee of the private school. |
ุชูู ูู ุงูููุทุฉ ุงูุชู ููุช ุฃููุฏ ุฅูููุง ู
ุณุจููุง. | this is the point I was leading to earlier. |
ุฃูู ุณูุฌุจ ุนููู ุงูุชูููุฑ ุญูู ู
ุดููุงุช ุฅุนุทุงุก | that you will have to think about issues around giving . |
ูุณุงุฆู
ููุฃุทูุงู ุงูุฐูู ูุง ูุณุชุทูุนูู ุงูุฐูุงุจ ุฅูู ูุฐู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ. | vouchers to children who cannot afford to go to these private schools. |
ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุชููู ุฌุฒุก ู
ูู
. | it has to be a very important part. |
ุฌุฒุก ุขุฎุฑ ุฑุจู
ุง ูุฌุจ ุฃู ูููู ุฅุนุทุงุก ุงูุฏุนู
ููู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ู
ุซู ุดุงููู. | another part has to be perhaps giving direct subsidies to schools like Shanon's. |
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